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couchmaster
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 3, 2010 - 09:48am PT
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I hadn't posted to the other thread, but now I have something of interest and I didn't want it to get lost in the hundreds of other posts over there.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=235013
U.S. warned people to avoid mystery missile zone
Officials refuse to explain launch warning where contrail filmed
Posted: December 01, 2010
8:56 pm Eastern
By F. Michael Maloof
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
Contrail was recorded in this image by KCBS-KCAL in California
The Department of Defense is slamming the door on questions about the mysterious contrail filmed Nov. 8 by a KCBS television crew near Los Angeles after questions were raised about a warning from the National Geo-Spatial Intelligence Agency that there could be missiles fired in that area at that time.
The official government position has been that the contrail, which appears to have been made by a single source, was from a jet passing by.
And the refusal to provide answers to specific questions suggests a cover-up of potential secret missile testing in the area – contrary to official jet contrail explanation.
For weeks, experts have examined the billowing plume and the single-source white-hot exhaust which they contend was from a missile, not a jet.
It was in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin intelligence report where the story was broken that several experts who examined the video of the mysterious contrail confirmed it was not from a jet but a missile.
The experts who examined the video have had extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems for various sensitive agencies of the U.S. government.
Sign up for Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin and keep on top of the latest developments around the globe.
They even went so far as to suggest that the missile may have been shot from a submerged Chinese nuclear submarine, coinciding with an increasing level of confrontation between the United States and China and designed to send a message to Washington:
But it was in late October that the NGA issued the maritime warning for the Eastern North Pacific off California about "intermittent missile firing operations." While the notice gave time frames and days of the week as well as areas for missile firings, there was no specified time limit as to when they would end.
"Intermittent missile firing operations 00001Z to 2359Z daily Monday thru Sunday in the Naval Air Warfare Center Sea Range," the warning said. "The majority of missile firings take place 1400Z to 2359Z and 0001Z to 0200Z daily Monday thru Friday."
The contrail sighting by the KCBS television crew occurred during these time periods.
Karen Sinn of the NGA told WND that the NGA only issued the missile launch advisory as a courtesy for its customer, the Naval Air Warfare Center Sea Range at Point Mugu in California.
Point Mugu, which is located some 50 miles northwest from Los Angeles, is a massive facility that includes a weapons division and the Sea Range Operational Area, comprised of the main base complex at Point Mugu which includes the Laguna Peak complex, the offshore islands and the adjacent 36,000 square nautical miles of controlled operational air space.
At the Naval Air Warfare Center Sea Range, spokeswoman Becky Hall was asked by WND whether the sighting of the contrail occurred during the period of the NGA warning, and did the coordinates mentioned in the warning notice conform to the area in which the contrail was sighted.
She also was asked whether the Navy, in fact, had launched any missiles in the area during the warning period.
Hall, however, refused to answer any of the questions or make any comment on its warning issued through the NGA.
"I am sorry to say that I will be unable to help you with this request (for information)," she told WND, and referred the inquiry to the press desk of the Office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon.
At the time of the sighting of the contrail, the Department of Defense said that it had checked with all the services involved with missiles and dismissed the contrail as coming from a jet, and not a missile.
At the Pentagon, Lt. Col. Robert Ditchey from the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs reaffirmed DOD's original statement by saying that inquiries were made with each of the services and the Department of Homeland Security which includes the Federal Aviation Administration and it was concluded that there were no launches that day.
When told about the NGA notice, however, he admitted to WND that he was unaware of it and asked for a copy which was sent to him for comment.
But in a followup e-mail, he merely said that "NGA provided a report back on 10 Nov during the initial media coverage, that their Maritime Watch Desk had no information that would link the NAVAREA XII 453/2010 warning to the contrail reported in the media.
"All DOD entities with rocket and missile programs reported no launches, scheduled or inadvertent, during the time period in the area of the reported contrail," Ditchey said.
"In addition, the FAA ran radar replays from Monday afternoon (of Nov. 8) of a large area west of Los Angeles," he added. "Those replays did not reveal anything unusual. The FAA also did not receive reports of any unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area Monday afternoon."
But Ditchey referred only to the NGA warning notice which he wasn't aware of until it was brought to his attention. In addition, he would not address the fact that the NGA had issued the warning at the request of the Naval Air Warfare Center Sea Range at Point Mugu, even though he was informed of that development.
Ditchey also refused to comment on whether the Naval Air Warfare Center Sea Range, in fact, had conducted any missile launches at the time of the contrail sighting.
According to the initial report in G2 Bulletin, the situation sparked several provocative questions about the government's official response.
"The question that still must be answered is why NORAD's muted response was simply that North America was not threatened, and later our government approved the lame excuse that the picture recorded was simply an aircraft leaving a contrail," said retired U.S. Air Force Brig. Gen. Jim Cash.
A former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot and commander of an F-15 squadron and an F-16 wing, Cash was assigned to NORAD as an assistant director of operations at the Cheyenne Mountain complex near Colorado Springs, Colo., and is fully knowledgeable of NORAD procedures.
"There is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general in minutes, and passed to the president immediately," he said.
Even more ominously, cautioned Cash: "We must question the timing of this shot across our bow. The president was abroad being diplomatic, which means trying to placate China which is becoming overly concerned with our handling a totally out-of-control deficit in spending."
Also, Wayne Madsen, a former naval officer who has worked at the National Security Agency and the Naval Data Automation Command, said the inability to pick up what he described as a Chinese Jin-class submarine-launched ballistic missile isn't the first time U.S. Navy anti-submarine warfare sensors have failed.
Madsen, who today is an investigative journalist, said the Pentagon is working "overtime with the media and on the Internet to cover up the latest debacle. However, even some reporters who cover the Pentagon full-time are beginning to question the Pentagon's version of events ... over the skies west of Los Angeles."
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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WOW!!
WorldNetDaily is in the know. Did you read any of the other stuff on their website? :-)
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Cool source there couchmaster. Have you read the other stuff there?
You and Ron have got a knack for finding the dumbest, gullible trap, sources.
Klimmer cited world news too for his ark on the moon. Nuf said.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Yep more dumb sites quoting other dumb sites quoting a guy who says he was kicked out of the navy for uncovering a huge child molesting ring of officers.
Madsen has been cited a number of times in the other thread as well.
Am I being rude again, Werner?
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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geez, when you can't argue with the message you immediately attack the messenger. you guys are all knee-jerk.
the report seems straightforward enough and fairly faithful about reporting what people say. i don't think they're making up the quotes they give or the credentials of the people. i find this apparent contradiction kinda interesting:
"All DOD entities with rocket and missile programs reported no launches, scheduled or inadvertent, during the time period in the area of the reported contrail," Ditchey said ...
... Ditchey also refused to comment on whether the Naval Air Warfare Center Sea Range, in fact, had conducted any missile launches at the time of the contrail sighting.
perhaps sloppy reporting, perhaps this ditchey character froze up and refused to confirm something he had just declared.
the name maloof is a familiar one to woodworkers, fwiw.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2010 - 11:22am PT
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Well, maybe it's time to edumacate yourselves boyz. Kennedy and Martin Luther King were both executed by a conspiracy that the gov't backed media blitz of bullshit was able to get most folks, like yourselves, to either totally forget and dispute.
Totally amazing.
We have never been at war with Oceana Boyz. Remember that.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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now I have something of interest and I didn't want it to get lost in the hundreds of other posts over there.
Couchmaster, aren't you the special one?
If you bothered even to skim the other thread, you'd have happeend to notice that your article contains nothing that hasn't been brought up and discussed ad nauseum there already.
So you've take an off-topic subject on which there is already an established thread and without reading it, just started another thread. Lame.
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wildone
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Troy, MT
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Now here is something you can't understand.... how I could just.....kill a man!
-B-Real, Zach D. L. R
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Yep, Tony, when someone says "several experts have examined the evidence and confirm it was a missile...',with no reasoning given,then ask you to sign up for a paid newsletter, it's perfectly fine to critique the source.
Funny how you don't get that.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Yep, Madsen was given. The guy who thinks a chinese missile was fired over the US. Good one Ron.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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We have always been at war with Oceana Boyz. Remember that.
Best line yet.
Finally topped by this laughable shizz.
Israeli sub showing Obama who the boss is.
I try to stay open minded when it comes to you Fat, but that was totally lame.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Give us the most trustworthy name and fact from couchmaster's article Ron?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Here' the link to the missle firing warning and it's hosted on a us military website
http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/UNTM/201045/NtM_45-2010.pdf
The warning is on page page 55
"EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
Messages in force 281230Z October 2010:
2010 series 424(18) 431(GEN) 434(18)
403(19) 430(19) 433(19) 435(18,83)
NM 45/10 SECTION III
III-1.8
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND"
What's so "Conspiracy" about the military not telling us the truth? Is that new?
Accepting or rejecting out of hand, all reports not confirmed by government sources or the mainstream media are equally sheeplike
Peace
Karl
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Even if true how does that prove it was a missile, Ron?
Don't you think the FAA would be interested to know if a flight went through while a missile launch was in progress?
You do know there is heavy aircraft traffic through the southern region of the permanent test zone, right?
Yes, Karl, we know it's a permanent test zone. Discussed many times. Planes and ships go through all the time.
Ignoring the simple geometry provided by pics from multiple angles is also very sheep like Karl.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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And why does this deserve a separate thread?.....
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Monolith,
Are you sure you are from Berkeley, CA?
You appear to me to be from Langley, VA.
Every-time anything controversial regarding secrets that our government is involved in you show up. And a few others do also.
Hey, I can talk climbing, BC skiing, paragliding until the cows come home, and I do sometimes post to other threads not always (OT).
You and a few others on the other hand always show up on que.
Why is that?
Then there are those who give the pat response "Conspiracy" or "Conspiracy Theory" as though conspiracies never happen. And if you think they do, then you must be a loon. Too funny. If conspiracies do not ever happen, then there would be no need for police, FBI, CIA, NSA, and all the other alphabet soup organizations etc.
People do indeed conspire to do crime and also to keep secrets. This is a provable fact over and over throughout history. Look at the Wikileaks leak. They are trying so hard right now to do somersaults and back-pedal and cover-up the crimes and illegal and unethical acts that have been exposed that have been committed by our government (and in our name!). They want to call those who told the truth "terrorists," when in reality all they did was expose crime and illegal acts at the highest levels by our government. Unbelievable. Up is Down, and Black is White.
I was contacted by someone from KCAL (I won't say who) and I'm pretty sure they have been told to not release any more of the HD video. There is a lot more video available no doubt. It would be even easier to make very high quality stereograms from all of that HD video. I'm sure the DoD/Pentagon or TPTB do not want that done.
Too late we already know the truth. It was indeed a missile of some kind.
The original thread link:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1314563/so-what-about-that-mystery-missle
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Hey, I can talk climbing, BC skiing, paragliding until the cows come home
Uhhhh, ok. Lets hear it, or maybe a trip report, or some photos...geesh.
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WBraun
climber
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klimmer
That monolith guy is just the other side of the coin from you.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Karl - they have that warning in that document, available to people who would sail or fly through that area, on a rather regular basis... they also have times when there is no warning...
go figure -
there is nothing special or sinister about that particular warning, it says, "we might be doing things, please check with us if you're going to be in the area"
other times they're not doing things so you can proceed without checking
no news there, the only support for the particular interpretation of a single, poor angle video of the vapor trail is that in the hypothesis that it was a missile launch, the launch is constrained to have originated from that rather large region, that region being a known and declared launch test area
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