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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 1, 2010 - 11:52pm PT
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Hello,
The camping in the Valley is full unless there are cancellations. I will get camping in outlying areas, Crane Flat, Tamarack, Tuolumne, etc... I am also working on El Portal too. I just don't know what sites will be available. Those that have not received confirmations, please be patient, I don't know where to put you yet. There will be camping and projects near Crane Flat and in Tuolumne too.
I tried to get more space in Yellow Pines by asking to share space with the Wells Fargo group. They still remember the hood ornament fiasco and will not share. I can't believe I could still be mad at someone three years later. Whoever acted so childishly sure screwed up making Valley camping sparser and embarrassing me too. I can embarrass myself on my own and don't need any help.
Sorry for venting. This incident has been remembered more than all the good that has come of the Facelift and it is frustrating to deal with.
Time to move on. Thank you all for participating in taking care of this special place.
Ken
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, ken... i am so sorry to hear that...
say, there is nothing wrong, as to sharing simple plain true facts...
that way, it never is a full 'vent' :)
say, i will make it a top priority, for someone, to have a kind heart, or two, and for this one day to be resolved, never to plague your area, again...
amen and amen...
god bless so much...
say a big hey there, to all the "kin" and to
yosemite, as well...
:)
*you are tops!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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"Hood ornament"? I'm afraid to ask...
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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The fact that camping now is full in the valley should not discourage people from taking part in this event. As Ken has noted he is working on other areas in which free camping might be available and it is often possible to obtain camping in places such as Upper and Lower Pines on fairly short notice and although with those campgrounds there is a cost to stay the cost at least in my opinion is minimal as compared to what one gets back from taking part in an event such as this.
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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Gee, I guess I won't be coming then!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Thanks, Ken, and good work. Any free camping in the Valley is good camping, and I'll happily do my bit to earn the privilege.
I believe, though, that Ken's point is that some free camping is available, but more might be available were it not for the thoughtless behaviour of a few who, like it or not, claimed to have something to do with the Yellow Pines/FaceLift group several years ago, and caused significant problems. Reputation is a hard-earned and easily-lost thing. Having Harrison (Hood) there to manage the place helps, but we also have to manage ourselves - all FaceLifters, at all times. Being involved in the FaceLift is not a "the rules don't apply to me" exemption, quite the opposite.
Another example was some climbers who heckled the superintendent at an event at Camp 4 a few years ago, the usual adolescent idiocy. As Jesse mentioned, until then some relaxation of the Camp 4 stay limits seemed possible, but that ended it.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Ken's quote from the other thread:
During one of the evening programs, many cases of the wine I had donated by a sponsor and the banners I had made up were stolen. The wine I replaced by buying more but it did put my sponsor representative on the spot with his employer. The banners will have to be replaced for this year and it is not the money but the fact it is hard to find a manufacturer that can do a good job on our logo.
The thing that bothered me the most is that on Friday night when our reserved sites were full, some people who pretended to be associated with the Facelift were looking for free camping and finding our sites full ran into the Wells Fargo campers further in who had reserved their site for volunteer work too. The Wells Fargo people offered them a place to stay for the night. These people stayed up extremely late keeping the Fargo people up later than they wanted. The next night the Wells Fargo people asked them to leave and camp somewhere else. They left, but not before breaking off the hood ornaments and antennas of the Wells Fargo people’s cars. That was very hard for me to deal with last year and was extremely embarrassing for me.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sully, come to Indian Creek. One day of projects withe the BLM followed by climbing, campfire storytelling (mostly lies) and Sushi Fest.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Indian Creek is looking better all the time....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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There was zero chance of C4 stays being lengthened. Hey, you're the emperor of Yosemite. What's the problem?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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I agree fully that we all need to do our part to help Ken by playing by the rules as best we can. It Seems like it is time to get yellow pines to ourselves. Reserve one area for late night rowdiness and the rest for sleeping. Where is the park on this Ken? I know that you have tried, and I know yellowpines is a favored area. Is there another time of the year where yellowpines is less booked? Maybe early Oct?
How many pounds of garbage did we clean up last years. How much value did the park assign to that?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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History is fracral. a long time ago, the congestion and hassle inspired us to go other places and take with us what we had learned from the valley. This may be a new example. Take the facelift theme to Incian Creek, the pinnacles, the meadows, the front range.
Of the places I know, Vedauwoo needs it the most.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Indian Creek is full, too. Suggest the C4 expansion the indians recently made a mess of. Vedauwoo needs no such help.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Hate to be the one to tell you this JLP but some climbing areas are on the radar. Burying one's head in the sand and hoping people won't show up doesn't cut the mustard- working with land managers to help minimize climber impact and restore an area is a way to help assure continued access.
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bluering
Trad climber
CA
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What a drag...
Seems to have filled up pretty quickly this year. Oh well.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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JLP, do you think that broken glass is indigenous?
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Youch. That's a tedious mess to clean up.
Fricken glass.
I thought all those boys drank PBR?
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2010 - 06:40pm PT
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Hey you guys, don't give up so easily. I'm sure as heck not. I am looking into alternatives. Besides, would it be so bad to stay in Tuolumne and do something there? I will have plenty of camping, it just won't all be in the Valley.
Ken
P.S. Donini is right.
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Zander
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Thanks for all your hard work Ken!
Zander
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