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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 18, 2005 - 10:13pm PT
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The next weekend she showed up with a basket of laundry.
Ok. Almost everything in this post is true. I feel like I was the catalyst in the LEB explosion. It all dates back to a silly series of exchanges tenure semi-troll which prompted this post. I feel somewhat responsible. That is true. Oddly enough, and purely serendipitously, she actually thought it was posted by a "mean impostor", who cleverly imitated "TradIsGood", in only two postings, which took advantage of the fact the capital "i" and lowercase "L" are indistinguishable in the ST font. (also true, but I will not say whether anything is true or false from now on, or whether it all is :) ) Now depending on whether you have a warped (it is, right?) sense of humor like mine or not, you might have considered that funny, or mean. I did it all in good fun, although I must admit, that by this point it was fairly clear that Lois is perhaps one of the most gullible (at least on-line, since I have never actually met her) persons (personas?) that I can remember. In all fairness, I thought that there was enough ironic and silly stuff in there that "LOL" would have been an appreciative reaction.
Remember that at this point she thinks it was TIG impostor. I let that ride for nearly a day out of curiousity to see who else would be sucked in. Unfortunately the impostor's next post confessed, after landing at least one erudite regular.
At that point, I explained that it was a joke, and she graciously forgave me. I also explained, as did others, how to check masquerading, which subsequently became popular, though regulars will remember that prior to that there had been at least one T*R impostor.
Unfortunately her reaction LEB, sorry, but just because you post seriously, does not mean everyone else does, but more about that later, and also I hope this does not get as long as Ed Hartouni's posts - and it is already longer than most LEBs was noted. ST icons picked up on both the sensitivity to the "trolling accusation" (well she does troll, if unwittingly, like someone who is asked to hold the rod for a minute) and to the trans-gender suggestion. Seriously, if you wanted to troll a primarily testosterone-laden site, what could be better bait?
Initially a number of regulars warned her seriously about how things worked and even gave up Batten. Unfortunately it was too late.
OK. It is later now. Lois, you seem to have some pretty good skills at analyzing people, although for sure not as good as you might think (primarily because you take too much at face value). I know of at least one poster who has convinced you of a personna that is fake. To his/her credit however, I think he/she has almost everyone fooled. I was really shocked that Trad*L*sGood fooled you, but admittedly, you had little to work with there. And you know that you really have no clue even in what decade I was born. There are some here who could tell you that with near certainty.
Lois, I apologized for that post, but it almost does not seem adequate. You have been trolled since by so many here that it does not seem fair. Or, as perhaps Juan fears, you are the master baiter.
There comes a time in the affairs of man...
Lois, try this. Try to figure out who LEB is. TradIsGood, DMT, JDF, and you only know how many others you are studying, are all interesting. You actually have been pretty good at figuring out a bit about all of them. There are others who still push your buttons. How do they do it?
LEB=??.
In order to do this, you actually have to step outside yourself - eeks sounds like Karl or someone - and pretend that you have no clue who LEB is. Sure, you could do the obvious, like look at the web site that Lois and her husband set up (.com not .edu). You could even tap into www.state.nj.us and find out if Lois is licensed by the state of NJ.
But Lois, who is LEB? How does he/she (just kidding) behave compared to others? What type of character is this person? Sense of humor? Trusting? Reactive? Natural target for pranks? How does LEB react to stimuli compared to the targets of your studies here?
You have some fans here. You also have some people for whom you are the perfect straight man (or troll). You may be cleaning up after the elephants, but at least you are in show-biz. Lois, go climbing. Climbers are all different. Maybe you are too, but just do not know how yet.
Would you believe that I am a tenured teacher of Latin in an inner city public school? Not many students each year, so plenty of time to waste on the internet.
Peace.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
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Nov 18, 2005 - 10:40pm PT
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Lois join my Supertopo suicide pact!
Juanito
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2005 - 10:47pm PT
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Goodness gracious!
Good catch on the Latin teacher. But the rest you were supposed to take at face value. I thought you and I agreed that you are who you claim to be, and that I knew that. And I thought that we were in agreement that I am at least smarter than the average bear, Boo-Boo.
As for your P.S. It would be a good SuperTaco question. Offer an OE for the winner. I am betting that several of the first ten responses would be close enough to win.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2005 - 10:58pm PT
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As far as IP rights are concerned, I am sure you probably have good counsel, but the rights are certainly a contract matter, the details of which I have neither seen nor desire to see. You mentioned previously your non-tenured, contract situation. Any ownership of IP or other work product is surely spelled out there. And any ambiguities or deficiencies in that contract would be a judicial matter, generally with presumption in favor of the party that did not write the contract, if a dispute were to arise.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 19, 2005 - 01:24am PT
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Who's irony and why did you love her? Did your girl become jealous?
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2005 - 07:46am PT
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I merely made an observation (note, a fact). I do not make many character judgments (conclusion of some sort). In fact, even when I do, I really try not to publish them. I do not think that is useful, nor for that matter, any of my concern.
Here is another observation. You, and a number of others, make many character judgments. In particular, you seem fond of "immature".
Perhaps tolerance helps. It would seem that many posted character judgments are negative, which lead often times ad hominem confrontations.
As you point out in many circumstances gullibility can cause no harm. However, there are certainly situations where it could be detrimental. Think science, even medical practice.
As far as your request, I see know way of complying with that. I know of no information which only you might have. All of the posts of which I am aware are public.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2005 - 07:47am PT
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dirtbag - Jealous? Of course not. She got pissed. She hated doing the ironing.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2005 - 07:48am PT
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radical - do it soon. It is rapidly disappearing from public education.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2005 - 09:00am PT
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Rajmit. Are you a pirate? Hijacking threads happens commonly enough by accident. Perhaps you and LEB could collaborate on a characterization thread, if the two of you so wish.
But intentional hijacking and nuking? Let's not turn supertopo into a mutually assured destruction (MAD) site, or worse a site with preemptive strikes.
Your manners are a reflection of your upbringing. Bring honor to your parents.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 19, 2005 - 10:06am PT
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I used to have the same attitude abou t other people's bad behavior, though myine was based on "the liar." But, this was all before internet, so it ammounts to the same thing as a troll. I said that, if someone was going to make crap up, why should I have to waste my energy deciding if they were being truthful or not.
I had a whole long explanation that took all the responsibility off myself. In theory, it is a fine concept. But the reality is that there really are people who will use others, when they can, by being deceiptful.
My saying that it wasn't my problem to decide about what others were putting out there was just a way of not taking responsibility for my self and well being.
Still, internet trolls.....who cares, really? So long as they are staing in the forum, and not contacting you through personal email.
Oh, and TradisGood - when I was signing up for my 9th grade classes, I wanted to take Latin, and the damned teacher wouldn't allow me in her class! She said that "her" students were those who would use the work because they were going to be doctors and such, and clearly that was not the case for me.(I had an interest in Latin, because I love words, and I like to write. I thought it would have been helpful to me, or at least given me something interesting to study while stuck in those cinderblock rooms all day long.)
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 19, 2005 - 10:38am PT
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The real irony is that when Lois joined supertopo, she used to complain about long posts and admitted that she didn't read em, or skimmed them, after folks typed them in response to her questions.
Seems like she's got her typing skills honed now.
I totally believe Lois is who she says she is and is not a troll. If she was, it would be a twisted act of genius and also waste of time for the person in the troll suit.
But I think she's straight up. Heh, we all live in our own worlds and Lois has her's. What's so hard to believe in her whole story?
And Lois, I never gave up on you. You're just fine with me. I just gave up overtyping what you weren't digesting.
PEace
Karl
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Nov 19, 2005 - 02:32pm PT
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Interesting.
Trad, you didn't precipitate the "Lois is a troll" theory. When I read that post of yours I remember nodding emphatically to it (embarrassing really, physical gestures to no one).
Methinks Lois takes the people on SuperTopo waaaaaaaay too seriously. That's the only reason why I wouldn't be surprised that she IS a beautifully crafted troll.
Feeling rebuffed by Karl?
Damn it, Karl, I have you on MySpace, where is you lavish attention for me? :)
I'm not a good troll hunter but the remarkable naivete of a woman twenty years older than me in a profession involving contact with many not-so-stable individuals does floor me. I worked very hard for a very long time to be "innocent" and then dropped the pretense when I realized that in this world we have to protect ourselves.
I do believe in you Lois, but methinks you doth protest too much.
I might be reading too much Aalmas lately, but I'm seeing some interesting personality here.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 19, 2005 - 05:16pm PT
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Lois=Santa Claus?
"I do believe. I do believe. I do."
Maybe the reason that Lois takes people here at [computer inter]face value, is that she most likely never will put her life in any of our hands, whereas for many of us, the possibility of doing just that, as potential climbing partners, is very real.
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Nov 19, 2005 - 07:31pm PT
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Kristin. The name is Kristin. :) I don't even really like THAT name, but Kirstan? That's one I've never seen before.
Lois, I don't know why that entire tirade had anything to do with what I'd said. If it was the "taking things seriously" it seems like you presented a proof that you do NOT take things seriously and the rest of us do . . . perhaps I missed something.
Happi's right. But I do want to point out that it's also not so rare to create true friendships over the Internet. I did my first desert tower with an Internet friend. I got hosted and driven 2 hours round trip when I had to go to Colorado for a court thing from a poster of this website that I'd never previously met. I've had one person even send me a gift certificate because I was having a huge string of bad luck. We met about a year later.
There are very few people posting on ST that I met first and then read online. There is a distinct internet clique of climbers out there that you eventually can meet as time goes by. I've had mostly good experiences with those meetings. It also affords some lovely trips. Went to the Red River Gorge in Kentucky by way of an Internet friend that's turned out to be one of the most influential guys in my life.
Bottom line, I am a huge dork. :)
Ironically, though, NONE of my regular climbing partners are ever internet people. I think they leave it to me. :)
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 19, 2005 - 07:44pm PT
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"there are only 10 types of people in the world."
Yes, those that know binary and those that don"t .....
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2005 - 09:10pm PT
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LEB, I bet that Kristin knows what Occam's razor means.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2005 - 09:13pm PT
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Rajmit, I thought there were three types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2005 - 09:32pm PT
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Lois, you finally caught me. I am incarcerated, but please do not let anybody know about this. It would really screw up my plans for the future.
Absolutely true?! Isn't that like cheating on a crossword puzzle? I am disappointed. But you have to live with yourself. I have no adult offspring (adult child seems weird in English).
Oh, for God's sake, you are on the internet. *Google* what you do not understand. Google could become your best friend.
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Nov 19, 2005 - 10:14pm PT
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Trad, damn straight - because it incorporates one of my favorite terms: principle of parsimony. Or parsnips. Or parsley. Something.
Lois, for the record, I'm 25. It doesn't make a difference, but I'm slightly disturbed at your accuracy when I don't know if I've posted my age in a while, so I figure I'll make your picture complete.
Raj, I would venture to say that she's not about to point out her favorites, and bully for her. Seems to me like those you revere would do better to deserve reverences without the head swell.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2005 - 10:33pm PT
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LEB, shudder, I just looked. Before this there were 452 posts. I am sure that will continue growing. I wonder how many it would take for you to say that TradIsGood used a rope outside the Ahwahnee Lodge.
You like the detective role, so I will not make this simpler. Yes, I could destroy your fun with one post that answers all your silly pigeonholing questions, but what would be the fun of that (for you).
Kristin, parsimony is nice. Nice tale about your first tower. Used to live in Utah BITD, but northern Utah and was only a kid then. If you ever want to pay it forward, e-mail me... have not yet climbed in Utah :( unless you count when I used to play on what would be called bouldering problems on the west side of the Wasatch above a very small town (Brigham City) (LEB clue?). Ever fallen directly on your tailbone. Never told my mother and fortunately did not experience it again for many years until playing ice hockey. Do not do it.
Anyway, I have a very early escape in the morning. Hopefully nobody will read about it...
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