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nick d
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 31, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
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Hiker kills grizzly bear
Updated: Monday, 31 May 2010, 5:31 AM MDT
Published : Monday, 31 May 2010, 5:31 AM MDT
Associated Press
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - A backpacker shot and killed a grizzly bear with his handgun in Alaska's Denali National Park, officials said.
A man and woman reported that they were hiking Friday evening when the bear emerged from trailside brush and charged the woman, park spokeswoman Kris Fister said in a statement.
The man fired nine rounds from his .45 caliber, semiautomatic pistol at the animal, which then stopped and walked into the brush.
The two reported the shooting to rangers, who restricted access to the Igloo Canyon area for fear that the bear was wounded and dangerous.
On Saturday, rangers found the dead bear about 100 feet from the shooting site. Park officials are determining the justification for the shooting. It's legal to carry firearms in that area of the park, but illegal to discharge them.
Rangers said it was the first known instance of a grizzly bear being shot by a visitor in the wilderness portion of Denali, formerly called Mount McKinley National Park.
Charged the woman? Sure I guess so, but let me offer a more likely scenario: "Well we were walking and I saw a bear, so I thought, What a great opportunity to shoot my gun! I sure as heck didn't come here to see animals, except as targets for my combat ready, 9 shot .45.
Personally, I would rather that bear ate them both and sh#t them out. If you are too much of a pus*y to go places that have dangerous animals without killing them all, don't freakin go!!!
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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May 31, 2010 - 10:17pm PT
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I'm with you
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altieboo
Boulder climber
Livermore, Ca
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May 31, 2010 - 10:21pm PT
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ya big time. This is really sad.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 31, 2010 - 10:31pm PT
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Easy to jump to conclusions.
All I know is this; unless he was carrying a double stack .45 then the only way it holds 9 rounds is for a person to chamber a round from (an 8 round) clip and then put another round in that clip or else insert another 8 round clip.
If it was a double stack then he didn't empty the gun, i.e. he stopped firing as the bear retreated.
If it was a single stack that he "supercharged" then he emptied the gun, a strong indication of either fear or azzholery.
Need more info.
Even just the model of .45 might be telling.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 31, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
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Need more info. Yes. For example, question the man and the woman separately, preferably using a lie detector.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 31, 2010 - 10:41pm PT
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I should add that the bear's necropsy will present very useful data regarding the angles of the bullet wounds.
And shouldn't "azzholery" go into the taco lexicon?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 31, 2010 - 10:43pm PT
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If he got a majority of the nine rounds into it, it wasn't running away and it was REALLY close.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 31, 2010 - 10:44pm PT
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A lie detector?
Can they force that in Canada?
If slapping her around doesn't work maybe they can tie him to a chair for Lobo to mace.
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Lahar
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May 31, 2010 - 10:48pm PT
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Hey, I'd be glad to post azzholery into the 'taco lexicon
Except, I will have to edit it to: AZ-holery (if you catch my drift)
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 31, 2010 - 10:52pm PT
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The results of a "lie detector" test aren't admissible as evidence in any court in Canada. They are reasonably reliable, especially if (a big if) administered by a well-trained and experienced person, but are not definitive. But they may be indicative.
Grizzlies can be aggressive. I've had one friend killed by a grizzly, and another mauled by one. And other incidents. But it's their back yard, not ours.
I wonder why someone wandering around in Denali National Park in spring wouldn't have bear spray? Probably as effective at hand gun range as the gun.
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Lahar
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May 31, 2010 - 10:54pm PT
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Here's another one for you:
At the base of a climb, a guy is climbing in AK, when he sees his guide puttin on running shoes.
He asks "why are you putting on running shoes?" "Aren't you supposed to be getting ready for the climb?"
The guide answers, because I need to be able to outrun you when the grizz charges ... and I only have to be a little faster than you!
Funny? Not really, but maybe a little perspective.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 31, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
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"probably" Anders?
LOL
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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May 31, 2010 - 10:56pm PT
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The possibility that CARRYING the gun may have altered the hikers behavior can't be ignored either. I won't go to certain hoods unless I'm packing heat.
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FeelioBabar
Trad climber
One drink ahead of my past.
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May 31, 2010 - 10:59pm PT
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Lots of BS bravado here. Go get charged by a grizzly...and let me know how that goes with reasoning, being eco-friendly and waving your voter card at it.
There is a reason why most folks in the bush of Alaska pack heat....and it's not to appear tough.
Bear spray just makes you picante flavored.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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May 31, 2010 - 11:02pm PT
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Piton Ron: I defer to you on ballistics, but my one "climbing buddy story" on killing an Alaska grizzly with a handgun is below.
My Alaskan geologist friend: reported that 6 shots from a 357 Magnum did not stop a grizzly from ripping a hiker out of a tree and mauling him. The bear died soon thereafter from the wounds and the hiker survived.
The long story is: this occurred at a 1980's geology field-camp. Their Vietnam-vet helicopter pilot went for a hike, and was treed by a grizzly. As the grizzly climbed the tree, the cornered pilot emptied the 357 Mag revolver into the bear’s head at close range. (grizzlies can’t climb limbless trees, but if there are limbs: they can do “pull ups” to climb the tree).
Luckily another copter pilot was available to haul the mauled pilot to a hospital.
Another Alaska buddy used to laughingly say that he carried a 44 Magnum to shoot himself, if a grizzly attacked him. He also carried a 12 gauge shotgun with slugs on raft trips in Alaska.
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Lahar
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May 31, 2010 - 11:02pm PT
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It's not yet fully cub season yet (protective mother) or a huckleberry/blueberry ambush either? Just wondering ... they wake up and are rather hungry. (or maybe latvian?)
Saw something on the idiot tube about 3 months ago about a grizzer that was mauling people on an urban trail in Anchorage. You don't have to be in the bush to get a little suprise!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 31, 2010 - 11:11pm PT
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As the grizzly climbed the tree, the cornered pilot emptied the 357 Mag revolver into the bear’s head at close range. As grizzlies have very thick skulls, not surprising that didn't work very well. (About like knocking some common sense into some people around here.) Apparently you're supposed to shoot them in the shoulders/neck, so either disabling them, or with luck hitting something vital and killing them.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 31, 2010 - 11:14pm PT
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A Hungarian bear in AK? (ah you changed it!)
Fekkin tourists!
Fritz, my info is that a .357 has sufficient penetration but insufficient tissue disruption to effectively neutralize an angry brown bear.
I hear of people carrying .44 mags and .45s, and have wondered if the apocryphal stories of .45s not having sufficient penetration to go through the skull have merit.
EDIT: interesting that we both noted the skulls Anders
I heard a story from Embick of a .45 just following the skull outline under the fur.
Personally, I can get more rounds on target with a .45, and this partial report is somewhat encouraging.
The bear may very well have only intended a bluff charge (actually common), but if that was the case and it was me and I didn't have a 12 bore I think I'd be trying to put a .45 in his eye.
EDIT
and now flakyfoont will attempt to sound knowledgeable stating the obvious.
Also; RDB suggests all knowledgeable shooters supercharge their 1911s, but there is also the school that downloading a bit is the best insurance against cycling failure.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Topic Author's Reply - May 31, 2010 - 11:34pm PT
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Sorry Rox, but I have no desire to get eaten. I make this happen by not going anywhere where I am afraid of the animals.
This guy is a loser just looking for any chance to use his gun, "Just to set things right, of course." Mark my words there are going to be a lot of animals killed by these jerks.
I don't go up on 5.11X routes because I am not capable of doing it safely. See how that works? All you need to do is apply a little intelligence to your choices of activities.
Someone was talking about the forensic investigations that could be done. I myself can't believe that a law that was described as one of their greatest triumphs by the NRA itself would be allowed to be perhaps endangered by the actions of this guy. It wouldn't be so great for the NRA if they had to go through another super-expensive lobbying effort.
If you need a gun to go outdoors, just don't go. It's that simple.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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May 31, 2010 - 11:47pm PT
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Bear spray just makes you picante flavored.
Feelio-you just revealed yourself! We actually have tourons up here in Glacier that spray bear spray on themselves, like insect repellent. They spray it on their tents, their kids and the park gets reports of visitors sustaining eye injuries and burns from using the spray like that. Funny part is I think you're in that group Bro. Careful, that's hot!
Arne
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