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Gripper
Mountain climber
Nor. Calif.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 7, 2005 - 08:50pm PT
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Where exactly is Separate Reality? (Save the wisecracks)
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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In the Castaneda section at Boarders.
Hahaha
Just below one of the turnouts on 120.
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WBraun
climber
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You can see it from the turnouts at Pat and Jack Pinnacle at Cascade creek,on highway 140, look near the rim there. Just below it you will also see “Tales of Power” .
Ron Kauk during those times did read Castaneda’s books extensively and thus the names.
He found “Separate Reality” after leading the Tales of power. We never saw the big roof until Ron actually climbed the pitch below (Tales of Power). We always approached from below, which was a real bitch to get to.
Now you can rappel into the climbs from above on the east end of the long tunnel on highway 120 about a mile up the road from Reeds climbing area.
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Clayman
Trad climber
CA, now Flagstaff
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drive to the second tunnel on 120. there is a prominent tourist pullout. park there, walk to the very start of the tunnel, hope the wall, look for a steep downhil trail. you can see the crack from above on a big white slab. its killer.
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WBraun
climber
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"Separate Reality"
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Ouch!
climber
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One of her other identities. :-))
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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LEB - very strange for you to post to this thread... what would you have to add to a rather specific climbing question. And after all, this is a forum for climbers (though climbing seems less and less the subject of the threads these days).
If you Google "separate reality yosemite" you will have to go to the fourth page to find a reference to something other than the famous climb Werner refers to and everyone who is a serious climber would know.
Why post in this thread? what is your point?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Gripper...
here is a visual to go with Werner's and Clayman's description
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WBraun
climber
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Lois
The popular belief at the time was that all people were caught on one side of a dual reality. So, through the use of mind-expanding drugs such as LSD, marijuana, and peyote, which strove to reach a kind of separate, utopian reality which was felt within the grasp of the user. By using these hallucinogens , people strove to achieve a sense of oneness with the universe. Even though each LSD trip ended in depression, It always experienced a few beautiful moments when the world became amazingly colorful and ever changing. It came to believe that ever-new and animated, albeit imaginary, perceptions of the world, were an ultimate reality in themselves-and that the user became the orchestrate of that reality. This led one to believe that he/she was not the body, but the all-pervading God, the supreme creator and controller.
Thus it is a reality that leads to fall down and spiritual suicide …..Mayavadi consciousness.
"The ambitious Mayavadi philosophers desire to merge into the existence of the Lord, and this may be accepted as sayujya-mukti. However this form of mukti means denying ones individual existence. In other words it is a kind of spiritual suicide.
The separate reality was a rock climb that was at the time, one of the hardest crack climbs in the country, inspired by a spiritual consciousness.
Ron did not do drugs.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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LEB - why don't you forget about "alternate reality"... I'd rather hear Werner talk about the climb "Separate Reality", and you can listen along.
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WBraun
climber
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Chuckling and laughing ....at the above
Lois on every climb there is a secret door, actually it's not so secret as every climber knows it's there. Everyone is looking to open that door of perception to understand the truth to the desire of his/her actions.
Just try more to soak up the dialogue of the technical aspects of the climbing subjects being discussed here so you don't get caught in the crossroads of misunderstanding with these folks.
For a non (especially rock climber) on this site one can easily become bewildered by some of the conversations.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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on the other hand, the book "Seperate Reality,"had a lot to do with what LEB & Werner were saying.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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thank you LEB and Werner. Like the thread.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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To nitpick slightly, the book title is "A Separate Reality", by Carlos Castaneda:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671732498/103-5197179-7631860?v=glance
(not that I've read it).
Separate Reality = the classic long roof crack done by Kauk which became more widely known by the photo of Ray Jardine doing it on the cover of Mountain magazine.
Alternative Reality = a long hand traverse crack Joel and I did at a secret area! :-) Thanks for the real definition, Lois.
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Mei
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Ed, did I sense frustration? I ask because I'm surprised. Weren't you voted as one of the most level-headed ST'ers a short while ago? (LEB and Werner were on the list too.)
I understand your frustration though. As much as we hope this is a climbers' forum -- nothing but climbing discussions, it's really not. We can't control what other people write (not a good idea anyway). We only have control over what we read. What one skips over could make another person's good read.
I'm guessing you are having a bad day at work. Did an atom fail to split, or should I say, separate?
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Mei
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sorry for hijacking the thread. Here is a story sort of related to the climb Separate Reality. I myself have never been on it, never seen it, and never thought I should have anything to do with it. But from what I gather, this climb requires a specific set of techniques and strength (the kind that is only required on hard climbs, you know). A friend of mine sent this climb on his second try, but he had trouble on a 5.9 that even I could do. Since he laughed about it himself, I figured he wouldn't mind me talking about it here. Thought it was funny.
In a recent issue of Climbing mag, Heinz Zak (?) mentioned he sought out a specific type of roof cracks while training for Separate Reality. (He freesoloed it at the age of 46.)
Anyway, Gripper, let us know what you think if you ever find and get on it (of course, with the help of this informative thread). It's always nice to hear first-hand experiences.
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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I've always found the academic approach to shamanism very dry, and not good at really teaching people about it. This websight, although a bit of a slog, provides an interesting angle:
http://www.hawaiian.net/~larryw/html/shaman.html
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Mei
Trad climber
Bay Area
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oops :)
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BeBe
Sport climber
Phoenix
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LEB-
This one is for you!!!
There will come a time when everybody
Who is lonely will be free...
TO SING & DANCE & LOVE
There will come a time when every evil
That we know will be an evil...
THAT WE CAN RISE ABOVE
Who cares if hair is long or short
or sprayed or partly grayed...
WE KNOW THAT HAIR AIN'T WHERE IT'S AT
(there will come a time when you won't
even be ashamed if you are fat!)
WAH WAH-WAH WAH
There will come a time when everybody
Who is lonely will be free...
TO SING & DANCE & LOVE (dance and love)
There will come a time when every evil
that we know will be an evil...
THAT WE CAN RISE ABOVE (rise above)
Who cares if you're so poor you can't afford
To buy a pair of Mod A Go-Go stretch-elastic pants...
THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN YOU CAN EVEN
TAKE YOUR CLOTHES OFF WHEN YOU DANCE
Frank said it better than anyone. I think you are awesome! Don't ever give up on this site or its freakshow.
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kevin Fosburg
Sport climber
park city,ut
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This thread has reminded me of a backburner project over there, The Yucky Way of Knowledge. Gotta get on it.
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