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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 21, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
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You people are great with health advice.
I am having quite a time sleeping. Two or three nights a week my body just stays so amped I can not fall asleep. I will be so tired, but my heart and body does not shut down. Restless leg syndrom perhaps.
I have been diagnosed with sleep apnia. I have had two over night studies but my health insurance company at the time would not fund an operation.
I have a machine, but can not fall asleep when it is on, so I no longer use it. I walk around like a zombie afternoons after a no sleep night.
Currently I am without health insurance. All input is welcome.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Apr 21, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
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Books on tape- works for me.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Apr 21, 2010 - 11:15pm PT
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I don't know about sleep apnea, but have had trouble getting to sleep.
I stopped caffeine. Stopped watching TV later at night. Stopped going online later at night. Got some moderate exercise everyday. Started relaxation type mediation. But the thing that helped the most was taking afternoon naps. Sometimes an hour or two. What I discovered was that I was over tired and the naps caused me to sleep better that night.
Then I stayed current on my rest and that went a long way to helping. No more late nights, except rarely once I got the problem under control.
I also learned to relax even though I wasn't getting to sleep. I realized that resting was still helpful and worrying about not sleeping did no good.
The nap thing was the biggest help though. If I am too tired, I tend to do this thing where I start to drop off, then wake suddenly gasping for air.
Acupuncture also helped me.
Edit: Some of the best sleep I have gotten was when I was doing yoga regularly. But I suck at doing it on my own, so need a class that I can attend. Also, try going to bed earlier then you usually do. One or two hours earlier.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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Apr 21, 2010 - 11:39pm PT
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I paid Ann Dyer, a woman who travels around the world helping people to sleep 80.00 for the info in John Moosie's post above. It all works.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 21, 2010 - 11:39pm PT
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There are people whose wake/sleep rhythm does not match the 24 hr rotation of our planet. If you're one of them, and stuck with a job that requires you to be on that 24 hr schedule, you can really suffer. If your work allows it, one thing to try is staying up as long as you're feeling awake, then sleeping till you wake up.
It's kinda weird, being on a different cycle than everyone else, but if that's the only way you can stay in wake/sleep balance it's worth doing.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Apr 22, 2010 - 01:35am PT
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the Chronic.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 22, 2010 - 01:40am PT
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take 1/2 of a Tylenol PM 1/2 hour before you go to bed.
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Apr 22, 2010 - 01:46am PT
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SEX!!!!!!!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Apr 22, 2010 - 02:22am PT
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insomniac to some extent
started hitting the plastigym. those nights that I climb for 1.5hrs and do weights I get sleepy less late. I'm also really hungry the next day.
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altelis
Mountain climber
DC
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Apr 22, 2010 - 09:31am PT
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The meditation was to follow your breath.
Visualize you are with someone you really love to be with and are comfortable with.
Visualize doing a calm repetitive thing with that person such as walking, rowing, flying, et'c
This is key for any meditation to really work. The image should be calm, but also of something repetitive....
When you say you are amped up, are you having racing thoughts? heart beating fast or loudly? things like that or are you just not able to sleep.
I know if I've been studying up late it can be a pisser for me to fall asleep, my mind is "active". I would still describe myself as amped up but I wouldn't have any of those symptoms (the racing thoughts, the fast heart, etc)
These might (but by no means definitively) help to start differentiating between physio/neuro/psych things that may really require outside help and things that are better suited to help with behavioral changes....
One suggestion I do have is no matter what you try do two things:
1)give each change its space. be somewhat scientific about your behavior changes, and really only do 1/2 at a time before trying something else.
2)give each change its due time. sleep rhythms can take a little time to change so don't be to quite to move on from something because its "not working"...
Good luck. Not sleeping is the pits..
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 22, 2010 - 09:47am PT
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hey there mtnmn... say, a always mix your spelling up in the name.. please forgive...
two things... first off:
john moosie, has some of the best really good advice, too... in many
ways...
the other thing, like ghost said, though is so true:
ever since i was little, my hours would work well into the
day that folks do...
it worked great as a house wife and i got all kinds of work done, kids to
school, etc.. BUT---all at my body clock hours, from 10, late into the
night... meaning, i'd be up early, get the kids ready and back to get the lost sleep... and i'd sleep til my body recoverd... then, work hard the rest of they day, and into the night...
now---i cant do that... and i end up near ruining myself, trying
to change my hours, when various jobs surface.. but what ghost says,
works, in these cases...
please let us know how you are doing... i know i didnt share much
good info, but when i can't sleep but need to due to needing to be up early for whatever important reason, time wise:
all i can do, is the over-wake bit, and then, fully redo a long sleep, to be up early (have to plan a day or two, ahead, to to this, though)..
and
HERE I AM, these last two day, i have been up now, to take out
resumes... ususlly i take them out in the late afternoon, if and i when i do...
god bless, i am routing for you...
:)
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Apr 22, 2010 - 10:50am PT
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rox,
go pimp yourself on the streets of boise. that ought to involve a lot of walking....
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 22, 2010 - 11:08am PT
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hey there say, mtnmun... had more thought on this,...
also, sometimes in our lives, there are things to do... that stay in our mind, and we have a gut feeling to do them, but have not made or had the times...
soemtimes, subconciuosly, we stall, or, if are unable to do them, due to finances or what not... we can tend to not sleep until we solve this...
such as writing projects... yard projects...
dealing with a child or spouse on a serious issue...
a job change needing to be done...
or depression as to some inner feeling of failing to do some of the needs...
also---check any of those out, just to get them out of the way...
*the reason that i mentioned the writing, was, that:
when i tried to put more "practical" things first and ignore the supposed frivilousness of it all, i actually could not sleep (whereas not sleeping was not my trouble---just my different sleep pattern was)...
well, when i faced up to doing the writing, no matter how secondary it seemed to the job hunt, etc, i was able to sleep again, as i did my inner-man duty, that my heart knew was right to do)...
still did the job hunt, but i had less morning hours, to do it, as i was up later, than even my usual hours...
well, check out the inner man, is what i am trying to say, as well... it all goes hand-in-hand at times, and in ways that we don't always check, until we come up facing ourselves being knocked-off track, either in the sleep area, or, in the health area...
once again, god bless...
:)
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
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Thanks all for your input. I took two meletonin and visualized calm last night. I got a beter nights sleep. I seem to sleep the best when I am camping after much physical activity during the day.
I work out constantly but not to the level of a day climbing.
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gonzo chemist
climber
Crane Jackson's Fountain St. Theater
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Apr 22, 2010 - 02:34pm PT
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mtnmun,
I'm actually with Dr. Sprock on this one. Chronic works wonders. I'm not saying run off and buy a 6 foot bong. And I'm not saying toke up all the time, either. What I am saying is that moderate use every once in a while can be really effective at relaxing you.
I've experienced periods of pretty extreme anxiety, precipitated by my grad school program/research. I tend to not sleep at all during those periods. I've found that a little light smoking helps me sleep like a rock. Its like a friggin miracle...I wake up the next morning feeling like gold...
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Apr 22, 2010 - 04:50pm PT
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Perhaps you've already explored this and it's taken for granted on this thread.... but dealing with sources of stress in your life, making tough changes or decisions as necessary, might attack the root cause and avert the need for reactive measures.
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Apr 22, 2010 - 05:46pm PT
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I feel for you, I am currently suffering from a Severe Depression. I have lost the ability to sleep. My doctor just started me on Restoril that gives me about 4 hours sleep. I also use a CPAP.
Juan
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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See the post above this one. He was trying. He was doing the best he could.
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