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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 24, 2010 - 04:16pm PT
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Time and again we hear this forum referred to affectionately as a “campfire,” a place where climbers gather and chat, spray, argue, whatever.
My question is this: Would you hang out at a campfire where most of the folks wore masks, would not introduce or identify themselves, and felt free to insult and slander anyone they might have a difference of opinion with?
Supertopo members seem to be divided into three groups: those who post under their real names or a recognizable version of their name, those who use an avatar but whose identity is no secret to the insiders, and those who hide behind the anonymity of an avatar.
Those members in the first two groups are by far the nicer people here. Let’s encourage more people to take off the mask. Personally, I won’t say anything to another person on the forum that I wouldn’t say face to face looking them straight in the eye.
Kris Solem
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:18pm PT
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Hear, Hear.
John Eleazarian
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Binks
Social climber
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
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I prefer the mask. Not because I'm afraid to say anything to your face in person that' I'd say here, but because I'd rather not have some data aggregation service (like Google search) or anyone else with an axe to grind data mine the "real" me.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
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Roger that, homeboy.
But I think we know which of us will identify themselves.
Unfortunately, the ones we already know.
Bruce Birchell
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:26pm PT
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I don't think one needs to post their identifiable name(which definitely WILL get links coming up on a search), but we can still ID ourselves here. A photo of us at a get-together, being part of the Facelift or SushiFests or other events(though not everyone can or wants to go to these), pictures of us on routes. Mentioning our area we live in, talking about our local crags. Things like that.
I have met people in real life who tell me "Oh - when you wrote (whatever) on Suertopo, that was (whatever)." Then I say "Oh! Who are you on Supertop?" And they flat out won't say...
Very rarely has someone said "Oh, I don't post - just read." They almost always are active participants, they say.
That makes me feel very weird. They can recall some little nothing I posted(and usually they recall more than a few little nothings, enough to show they frequent the site). But they can't let me know who THEY are..... That's icky.
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mooch
Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:28pm PT
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Hi, I'm Dave.....also known as 'mooch'*
Now fUck off!!
sshhhh.....I'm acutally a nice guy. I'll bring the fire wood.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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John Moosiegrove.
oosie = us
Edit: what dingus said. We know who some of the raunchiest people on this forum are. They are still raunchy. We just know you they are. Replace raunchy with mean spirited and you get the same results.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Temecula
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:35pm PT
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Kris has a great idea, but Binks also makes a good point.
Unfortunately this campfire is part of the big-bad internet.
Just putting your name on a website can create opportunities for those with bad intentions. People do all sorts of creative things with this data, and none of it will ever be in your best interest. Perhaps I'm paranoid, but what is done on the internet cannot be undone. I like to be careful, especially because I have a unique name.
So I offer a compromise: My name is Dave K.
If you really want to know my last name, email me. I just ask that you don't use it on the general public internet.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Temecula
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:37pm PT
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So Dingus is your real name?
:-)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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If you look around on here, you'll find my name, my birthdate, pictures of my face, my truck (w/ license #) and even aerial photos of my house.
What I'm not going to do is roll it all into one post. I don't want to facilitate those whose motives are less than honest.
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mooch
Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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Dave Kiene....how you doin' Homeboy!?!?!
And there can only be ONE Dave from Temecula.....dats me Bizzle!
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Binks
Social climber
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:45pm PT
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You guys who think throwing your real name around on the internet is a good idea are making a mistake in my opinion. I guess it's fine if the only thing you post about is utterly factual, but god forbid you ever want to argue a point of view or post a "fun" picture.
At my work, people who are being hired get Googled. They look at everything they find. People have not been hired for silly reasons like a party picture that rubbed a manager wrong. Don't post stuff under your real name unless you have nothing to lose. Even though determined people could find out who you really are behind an alias anyway, at least make them work for it.
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Edge
Trad climber
New Durham, NH
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:48pm PT
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I post under the "Edge" name, but a quick look on this or other sites will easily produce my name of Loran Smith.
Fortunately I am self employed, so I have no worries about employers discovering that I am a pompous, washed-up, has been. Everything I post is out there for all to see, if they care to dig that far. It is who I am.
Besides, everyone who Googles "Edge" thinks I am a shaving gel.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:49pm PT
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Mostly Binks I figure I will never be going after a job where anyone would care to try to figure out who I am online. And if they don't like what I post, then I figure I wouldn't like working for them and that is more important to me the the amount of money I make. I will take a lower paying job if it means working with someone I like.
I still try to be circumspect.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:59pm PT
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uh.... chances are there would be a campfire with known faces. I double the people with masks would show up, grab a beer, and start slandering.
jus' sayin'
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Barbarian
Trad climber
The great white north, eh?
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Mar 24, 2010 - 05:11pm PT
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I'm Scott A.
I am sometimes a bit rude to those I know, but that is all in fun.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
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I fully understand peoples desire and need for privacy and security on the web. My case is unique 'cause after a long career in the music biz my name comes up on a bazillion searches on tons of CD's recorded by gangsters and drug addicts. I pretty much fall into the "nothing to lose" category as far as having my name out there goes. Of course you won't see me posting any specific personal info beyond that.
That's what is cool about the second category which includes folks like DMT, Happie, etc.
And yeah it's probably better to view each thread as it's own fire...
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 24, 2010 - 05:15pm PT
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Not me.
No one knows who I am ........
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Mar 24, 2010 - 05:18pm PT
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^^^^^ I gotta be nice to him (KSolem) 'cause he can see my house from
his house! Yikes! Talk about big brother! I guess if you're
not a vintage NW chosshead you wouldn't know me as S Reilly Moss.
If I take you for a drive you'd understand the connection between my
first initial, my last name, and my driving heritage, eh, mate?
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