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Silver
Big Wall climber
Nor Nev
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 12, 2010 - 04:13pm PT
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Cut N Pasted this off the AP
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — A teacher jogging along a rural Alaskan road was killed in an animal attack and authorities say wolves are the chief suspects.
The body of Candice Berner, 32, was found Monday off the road a mile outside the village of Chignik Bay on the Alaska Peninsula, which is about 474 miles southwest of Anchorage.
Authorities said the body had been dragged off the road to the village's lagoon and was surrounded by wolf tracks.
In an autopsy report Thursday, the Alaska State Medical Examiner listed "multiple injuries due to animal mauling" as the cause of death for Berner, a special education teacher originally from Slippery Rock, Pa., who began working in Alaska in August.
The autopsy could not say which animals, said Col. Audie Holloway, head of the Alaska State Troopers, but wolves are the chief suspect.
SAVE A TEACHER SHOOT A WOLF
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Mar 12, 2010 - 04:29pm PT
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Eternal rest grant unto her
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Mar 12, 2010 - 04:36pm PT
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That totally sucks.
Chances are at least one of them was bigger than she is.
She didn't stand a chance unarmed.
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pc
climber
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Mar 12, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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..."SAVE A TEACHER SHOOT A WOLF"
Really a stupid thing to say.
I'm very sorry for the girls friends and family.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Mar 12, 2010 - 04:49pm PT
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Sad.
(OT) Are there known cases of hybrids between wolf and coyote and (2) are they furtile? in the wild?
As a teenager, I used to hunt coyotes in the Carson Valley. And then tan their hides and sell them locally. Of course that was then.
All 25lbs of them (on average) are deathly afraid of people. Usually staying 200 or more yards away.
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Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
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Mar 12, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
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Bummer. Shoot a wolf? That is a bit extreme isn't it?
Prod.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Mar 12, 2010 - 05:04pm PT
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Yeah, but I'm speaking of in the wild... where the thinking is... their different behavior patterns would keep them apart. You know, birds of a feather flock together.
Well, anyways, interesting. No wolves around here. Yet.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Mar 12, 2010 - 05:18pm PT
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I just wrote a rather blunt reply. Thanks for clarifying Sliver. I am a little touchy on the subject because I know that many people will use it as an excuse to wipe out that entire population of wolves in the area. It sucks.
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pc
climber
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Mar 12, 2010 - 05:24pm PT
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Silver,
Thanks for lightening the topic. I'm not sure Piton Ron will like the new option though ;) And I hear he has guns so can shoot back.
pc
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Mar 12, 2010 - 05:26pm PT
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very sad;
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as to the joke above "save a whale, harpoon a fat chick", I have a very very overweight inlaw. She was in a store on the Oregon coast once where they had a rack of bumper stickers on the checkout counter, including the above one. They were selling them for about $2.50 each. So she picks up a stack of them and silently rips them them to pieces, and puts the shreds down on the counter. Proceeds to check out her groceries and leaves. Neither her nor the cashier exchanged a word. lol don't mess with big women.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Mar 12, 2010 - 05:34pm PT
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The story I saw on this said something to the effect of this being the first fatal wolf attack in AK in 50 years.
Not to make light of this tragedy, but I'd hardly say that makes this wolf a big human predatory concern.
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L
climber
Yeah it's a furball...I TOLD you I was a cat!
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Mar 12, 2010 - 07:10pm PT
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I used to run with wolves. Would put one on a leash and go 3 or 4 miles.
Canadian timber wolves, bred in captivity...they thought I was Team Leader and loved me. Very affectionate, family-centered animals, to say nothing of beautiful and intelligent. The Alpha Male (Timber) had a head the size of a bear and a back that came up to my waist.
I almost got mauled by an angry momma bear while jogging down a country road in Alaska once. I didn't, and am very thankful...but I wouldn't have blamed the bear if she had got me.
I was in her living room. The dogs running with me had treed her babies. I'm so sorry for this beautiful woman who died...but she was running through the home of wild animals. Probably very hungry wild animals.
And Silver, bears in Alaska come out at all times of the year--even deep winter--so don't believe the myths.
Rest in peace, Candice.
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Mar 12, 2010 - 07:13pm PT
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The bears have been coming out a lot this year.
They look around and say, "You call this winter!?"
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L
climber
Yeah it's a furball...I TOLD you I was a cat!
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Mar 12, 2010 - 07:15pm PT
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Good one, Willie!!!
Global Warming has everyone confused.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 12, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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God bless her, and may she rest in peace.
Okay, don't over-react to this, but she was relatively new to Alaska. She may have not been aware of some dangers of Alaskan wildlife. People who were in the area earlier reported wolves stalking them.
I'd pack a large caliber sidearm in that area, of course, running ain't really a good time to pack a weapon for a couple of reasons. I'd imagine the couple earlier was only stalked because they were a pair. She was alone, an easy prey.
It's a shame. Myself, unlike Dr. Sprock, WILL NOT travel into Aquarian Valley (known Mountain Lion turf) alone here in the Bay Area. It's just common sense. If I did I'd pack a concealed weapon of some kind. Although sprock is usually packing gardening equipment when he venture out there.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 12, 2010 - 07:55pm PT
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I used to run with wolves. Would put one on a leash and go 3 or 4 miles.
Canadian timber wolves, bred in captivity...they thought I was Team Leader and loved me. Very affectionate, family-centered animals, to say nothing of beautiful and intelligent.
Or maybe it's just the luck of the draw that you weren't ripped apart when wild animals turn against their human handlers who naively believe that the wild animals have been tamed.
No offense, but your story sounds to me like someone bragging about how good at Russian roulette she is. A guess that woman who got ate by the killer whale in Sea World probably thought the whales "loved" her too.
Keep WILD animals in the WILD!!!
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Mar 12, 2010 - 08:11pm PT
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jogging attire in the land of wolves? (w concealed Glock)
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L
climber
Yeah it's a furball...I TOLD you I was a cat!
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Mar 12, 2010 - 08:25pm PT
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"No offense, but your story sounds to me like someone bragging about how good at Russian roulette she is."
Blahblah--No offense taken, thank you for your insincerity.
Wasn't bragging, just stating fact. Sorry you missed my point, which was, to illuminate how wild animals are different from us humans in many ways...but similar in many others. (Like Chiloe said in the Dog thread--nonhuman persons.) The only way to experience this, typically, is by hanging with their domesticated brethern. From there you can make films/write books about the experience to help people like you understand the beauty and value of each and every one of those wild creatures.
The woman who died at Sea World knew she was taking chances. Climbers know they are taking chances. Pedestrians in LA know they are taking chances. I knew with every documentary I made that I was taking chances...and I had a darn good reason for doing it.
But I don't gamble, and Russian Roulette never held an attraction for me. Probably can't say the same about you. So...no offense, but save your projection for someone else, please.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 12, 2010 - 09:34pm PT
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radical and L,
I don't work with wild animals. But in my line of work it helps to develop expertise in multiple subjects.
It has been explained to me that no one really knows when and if wild animals will turn on their human handlers, even if the handlers think the wild animals "love" them.
While I don't know that this is true, it seems consistent with things like the Siegfried and Roy tiger attack, the chimp attacks that periodically make the news (remember the "Travis," who would hang out in a muscle-T and drink beer and watch TV, until he went crazy and ripped some poor woman's face off), and the killer whale attacks.
I think there's a very good chance L was just damn lucky and wasn't turned into wolf chow. Not projecting anything and maybe I'm wrong, just sayin.
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