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mountain dog
Trad climber
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Poetic, but what a load of wishful thinking. Life just isn't that easy. Even if you believe in the power of prayer.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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If you want Bible study, there are thousands of sites you can go to.
This is a climbing website. Sometimes it veers into politics but no....just no. This is not a Bible study site. Lace up your shoes, climb something and get back to us. Until then I can recommend you google Bible study websites to share amongst your friends.
BTW...I can bring up more Biblical quotes about slavery, rape, murder, etc than you can hope for so don't throw Biblical stuff here. It's not an appropriate venue. Please take it somewhere else if you want to debate this stuff.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I agree with Fluoride - take it somewhere else.
Also, it's clear that you can read whatever you want into any of the so-called holy books. No need to waste time on it here.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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If I'm going to read fiction, it won't be the bible. Get this crap off a climbing website! Are you just postingthis to piss me off?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I disagree, Flouride. There are issues unique to Christian climbers. Too often, the non-Christians try to shut down those threads in a way they would never consider (or tolerate) for threads aimed, say, at ice climbers, aid climbers California climbers, women (or men) climbers, or any other proper subset of Supertopans.
I was particularly saddened when one thread, asking Christians how they reconciled their faith with their climbing, got so attacked that the author deleted it. It's something I suspect all Christian climbers struggle with.
If you aren't interested in our discussion, no one forces you to participate.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oh, to answer your question, Juan, for me it's in Psalm 104: "I will sing to the LORD as long as I live. I will give praise while I have my being."
John
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Our bible is called "freedom of the hills". The only bible worth mentioning o. A CLIMBING site!
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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The routes that create the most respect are those that are established ground-up and on- sight- Ed Webster White mountains guide.
OOOPPPSSS ! Wrong bible
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jstan
climber
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What a great idea this thread is!
My favourite Obituary from today's LA Times
Susan Hill dies at 61; women's rights advocate
She established abortion clinics in rural areas where women had no access to such services. The clinics were often the target of protesters, and she lived under constant personal threats.
By Leah Friedman
February 8, 2010
Susan Hill, a national women's rights advocate and the owner of several abortion clinics around the country, died Jan. 30 at a hospital in Raleigh, N.C. She was 61 and had breast cancer.
Hill focused on establishing clinics in rural areas where women had no access to abortion services. She opened more clinics than anyone else in the United States, sometimes drawing 1,000 protesters at a time. She sued protesters 34 times for blocking entrances and physically preventing women from entering the facilities.
"She's probably the toughest person I ever knew," said her brother Dan Hill. "She's the only person I knew who wore a bulletproof vest to work or was supposed to wear one to work. People really wanted to kill her, and she never flinched."
In 2007, Hill received the Nancy Susan Reynolds award from North Carolina for public advocacy in the face of personal risk.
"She was a determined pioneer for women's rights, always elegant and super brilliant," said Lajuan Carpenter, Hill's assistant at the National Women's Health Foundation, which has clinics in Raleigh, as well as in Georgia, Indiana and Mississippi.
Hill, who was born Aug. 7, 1948, in Durham, N.C., and graduated from Meredith College with a social work degree in 1970, began her career in 1973 in a Florida abortion clinic outside Miami one week after the Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade made abortion legal.
A small girl walked through Hill's door that day, hands curled by cerebral palsy, pregnant by an abusive uncle. Hill recalled in 2007 that the girl was too stricken and disabled to speak about her problem, but her mother had driven her 250 miles that morning to fix it.
Hill said it was the women's stories that kept her motivated even though bomb threats, death threats, arsonists and insults marked her career.
"If people knew the stories, they wouldn't be so vicious," Hill said.
Dan Hill said his sister always loved a good fight and never backed down. But she was also very compassionate, he said.
"The day she found out her twin sister had breast cancer, she closed up her office in New York and moved down here to take care of Nancy," Dan Hill said. Nancy Hill died of cancer in 1991.
In addition to Dan, Hill is survived by another brother, Frank.
One of Hill's doctors in Florida, David Gunn, was killed in 1993 after being shot three times in the back by a protester, Michael Frederick Griffin, now serving a life sentence. Last year, Hill appeared on the "Rachel Maddow Show" on MSNBC after Dr. George Tiller was shot dead in his church where he was serving as an usher. Tiller was one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions.
"We're still here, and we're going to be here," she told Maddow.
"In spite of recent threats, she wouldn't wear the bulletproof vest," said her longtime friend Ann Rose. "She was not going to let them control her life. She wasn't going to be intimidated."
As for her clinics, "They will go on as always," Rose said, "except without such a prominent voice."
Friedman writes for the News & Observer of Raleigh, N.C., a McClatchy newspaper.
news.obits@latimes.com
latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-susan-hill8-2010feb08,0,7007915.story
Copyright © 2010, The Los Angeles Times
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Seriously, this is a friggin climbing website.
Tell me about a new route you climbed. Tell me about how your shoes suck. Tell me about ice conditions in Lee Vining. Tell me about some awesome new partner you climbed with.
This isn't something that belongs on a climbing website. Religious debate has it's place. But not here. I shudder to think how many really good and worthy CLIMBING threads will get bumped off the front page for this.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Wow, what a co-incidence. I was going for a line in Psalm 104, too. [I think it's 104...]
It's in reference to God, and I always think about the line when I look across from El Cap at the clouds swirling round the Cathedral Spires:
"He who touches the mountains and they smoke."
Cheers,
PTP and PTL Pete
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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This is my favoritest bible passage!:
Ezekiel 25:17:
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
Currently in San Diego
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Psalm 91 always has been my favorite.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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"You shall fear only the Lord your God; and you shall worship Him and swear by His name!" Deuteronomy 6:13.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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I like the entire book of hooteronimy! Can't go wrong.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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If susan Hill were still alive, she could abort this thread.
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Steve L
Gym climber
SUR
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Hahahaha!! What a cheap way to get to 1,000+ posts!
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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thank you for stating my case flouride...
"If you want Bible study, there are thousands of sites you can go to.
This is a climbing website. Sometimes it veers into politics but no....just no. This is not a Bible study site. Lace up your shoes, climb something and get back to us. Until then I can recommend you google Bible study websites to share amongst your friends.
BTW...I can bring up more Biblical quotes about slavery, rape, murder, etc than you can hope for so don't throw Biblical stuff here. It's not an appropriate venue. Take it somewhere else if you want to debate this stuff. "
take it somewhere else....
out
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tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
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it would be easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven.
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