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nature
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Tucson, AZ
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Dec 16, 2009 - 10:38pm PT
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Hey Klimmer... I don't look good in a tin-foil hat. That said... one thing that bothers me is the cell phone calls made aboard the planes. Do you have any web resources you could point me to on the subject?
Actually... a number of things bother me but I'm cool with following your references and making my own decision.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Dec 16, 2009 - 10:50pm PT
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lay off the juice, rox. maybe then you'll make sense to someone other than yourself?
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Dec 16, 2009 - 10:57pm PT
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I would be really impressed with the intellectual ability of his "investigation" if Jesse teams up with Palin....(eyes rolling....)
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Dec 16, 2009 - 11:04pm PT
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rox... I get dropped from my cell coverage sitting in my house.
you're missing my point. I'm not about to wear a tin-foil hat. At the same time it has yet to make sense to me how all those calls could have been made from those planes.
So I'm asking for tin-foil reports on the subject AND Government reports on the subject. I'm sure they won't come to the same conclusion.
So cheers... I just opened my first beer too (but you missed my initial point).
get it?
Edit: this jesse "the body" drama is pretty bad. though there are some interesting facts that need substantiation.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Dec 16, 2009 - 11:10pm PT
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Most of the calls were made on AirFones, not cell phones.
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Dec 16, 2009 - 11:18pm PT
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When you slam jets into things at 600 mph sh#t happens.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 16, 2009 - 11:36pm PT
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Rox,
I ran national accounts for a division of ABM and left there a few short months before 9-11. All the janitors, elevator mechanics, electricians and building engineers worked for them.
Your grand conspiracies only dishonor those that were murdered on that day.
You might as well insist that he did it!
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Dec 16, 2009 - 11:41pm PT
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the way the buildings dropped like a rock is a thing of beauty.
perhaps from now on building demolition crews should just auto-fly old airplanes into buildings. Sure looks like exact science.
ah but who cares. bullets can travel 27 different directions without deformation. and there was nobody near the grassy knoll.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 16, 2009 - 11:49pm PT
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There are great resources out there for the whole cell phone question. And yes, officially some of the calls where made with cell phones via the 9-11 Commission Report (or the 9-11 Ommission Report).
When I came to 9-11 truth, I had a Nokia phone that was circa 2000/2001. I came to the truth before the 2004 election. With my family on a trip to Florida, in the commercial flight, across the country, from the West coast to the East coast and then back again, I monitored my phone closely while leaving it on, even though they said turn off all cell phones.
After lift-off and up to about 2500 ft or so I had 3 bars, then none. The bars did not reappear until we descended to about the same altitude on approach. I can judge altitude fairly well since I fly paragliders. There would have been no way to make a call at any time on the flight except for just after take-off for a moment, and just for a moment when setting up for landing and both only at low altitude.
I'm also a HAM radio operator (cool Rokjox!). My call sign is Kilo-Foxtrot-6- . . . Well, I shouldn't give out my call sign. All of us free-flight pilots like to use HAM radios to communicate in the air and with our drivers.
The bottom line is, the cell phones would not have worked, and many have proven this countless times. More miracles that day that occured. The propagation of EM radio waves is very well known, including how cell towers hand off calls. Cell towers are not designed to hand off calls from one cell tower to another at the speeds that jets fly at.
Also, that is why they had to design and install the proper equipment in commercial airliners post 9-11 so that cell phone could work from commercial jets from altitude. That is also well known. Well, if cell phones worked in commercial jet at altitude on 9-11-2000, then why did they have to start installing the technology to do so in commercial jets, post 9-11, and then several years after. In fact, I think that occured after 2004.
I'm getting tired, but there are great links out there that go into all of this in detail.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Dec 16, 2009 - 11:51pm PT
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Klimmer.... I'm not going to go digging. oh well...
TGT: STFU
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 16, 2009 - 11:51pm PT
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If there was anything sinister, weird, or even slightly odd happening in those buildings we would have heard about it.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:00am PT
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Is Ventura all big and fat still?
His show should be on the Food Channel.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:26am PT
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We can prove 9-11 truth with science . . .
In science, the scientific method works on invalidation. When the evidence invalidates the hypothesis, you must reject it. The 9-11 truth movement has overwhelming physical evidence, and means, motive, and opportunity evidence. The OCT has been invalidated time and time again, yet people still buy into the lie. It can not have happened as the OCT says it happened. It is impossible. You must reject the OCT. We don't have to prove exactly what happened, only that the OCT is invalid. We have done that over, and over again. That is how science works. It is difficult to prove something valid, however, it is easy to prove something invalid. The OCT is invalid.
We can prove 9-11 truth with faith . . .
Faith in the word of GOD. The good book says that 9-11 was an inside job. I believe The Good Book.
9-11 Bible Code:
I believe in science.
I beleive in GOD.
I believe in the word of GOD.
I beleive in the miracle that has occured in our time, and that it could only happen in our time, since it requires the power of the computer. The miracle of the Bible and our computer age -- "The Bible Code," and the messages that GOD is sending to us in these last days is incredible and beyond human explaination and statistically light years beyond chance.
This is a very upsetting message, but GOD wants us to know the truth. He does not want us to be fooled. Peoples' eyes need to opened. We need to know the enemy and his lies. GOD is striaght with us. The monsters that pulled off 9-11 do as their father of lies, Satan, Lucifer, tells them to do. They are ultimately evil. I'm not talking about Muslims with box-knives either. Those who planned this behind the scene and made it happen (MIHOP), are devils to be sure.
But vengence is GOD'S. He isn't fooled, and he doesn't want us to be either.
Rokjox,
Sounds like you are way farther in HAM than I. I have 2 HTs and one car unit. Again, I use it mostly for paragliding, although it would be fun to get into more powerful units and bounce the signal off the Moon etc. and talk with others really long distances and on the other side of the World. Werner is a HAM I believe also. They use them for rescue work.
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:38am PT
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When Tower 7 Burned all day what do you expect to happen. Steel has a critical temp.
Some of you people really need to study some Engineering.
Juan
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Dec 17, 2009 - 01:31am PT
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This might be the most hilarious thing I've ever seen some out of 9/11 conspiracy theory.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 17, 2009 - 01:35am PT
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Too funny
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:01am PT
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Rokjox,
You are reminding me that I need to use my radio more often and get back into it. I have a "Technician No Code" license. Studied the text "Now Your Talking" from cover to cover and got my license back in 1997 or so. Just had to send in my renewal for another 10 years a couple of years ago.
I enjoyed all the radio EM wave spectrum theory. All the physics. Wave phenomenon and Electricity theory, Ohm's law etc. Great stuff.
Nay sayers of amatuer HAM radio operators, what they do not realize is that many of the most gifted in Electrical Engineering and other sciences have been HAM radio operators and we all enjoy all the technology today that came out of the Amatuer HAM radio community, such as wireless technology, cell phones, analog and digital processing, the list can go on and on and the text "Now Your Talking" goes into all that history. All astronauts get HAM licensed, it is one way they communicate from space.
The Amateur HAM radio operators are the emergency back-up communication when all else fails. When the poo-poo hits the fan and no phone works (land-line, cell, or satellite) only HAM radios can communicate the distances, and the reason the government promotes those and relies on those who are licensed HAM operators. Even the internet isn't going to work in a real emergency. The HAM community is our only emegency communication services, and it can work Worldwide.
Like you said, HAM operators could set up their own wireless internet and continue to communicate when no one else can. No one who really knows this would ever bag on HAM radio operators. They will be the only ones able to communicate -- they are vital. HAM radio operators were doing wireless amatuer tv long before anyone else etc.
Anyone bagging on HAM radio operators, better pull your head out of the sand.
If you are interested in learning and getting your license:
http://www.arrl.org/
http://www.fogg.cc/books/book3.htm
http://www.amazon.com/ARRL-Ham-Radio-License-Manual/dp/0872599639/ref=pd_sim_b_3
http://www.amazon.com/Now-Youre-Talking-Technician-License/dp/0872595978
I also use my radio for back country use and sometimes carry a radio for emergency communications.
You know, I never got into using my radio to make free telephone calls utilizing repeaters; I would like to learn to do that :-))
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