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Eddie
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 29, 2005 - 01:22pm PT
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What to the masses think?
How would you react if you saw someone doing it?
What would you say about them on this forum?
this should be interesting...
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 29, 2005 - 01:24pm PT
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Stupid question
People have been top roping it for years even Kauk, nobody gives a sh-it.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Sep 29, 2005 - 01:24pm PT
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I wouldn't really care.
I bet someone would though. ML really is center stage.
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Bilbo
Trad climber
Truckee
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Sep 29, 2005 - 01:27pm PT
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You might have a problem with too many people wanting to give it a go.
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Eddie
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 29, 2005 - 01:35pm PT
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thanks werner.
The impressions I've got from climbers (in person)so far have been:
--If you don't climb v9--don't go near it. You'll wear down the rock for the real climbers.
--Top rope it! are you crazy..someone would cut your rope!
I'm glad to see it is an accepted style.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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Sep 29, 2005 - 01:41pm PT
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Eddie, I wouldn't worry about it much. If some 118 lbs punk f's with you just kick their ass.rg
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handsome B
Gym climber
Saskatoon, Saskatchawan
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Sep 29, 2005 - 01:48pm PT
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I thought it was established WITHOUT toproping and that is why people were calling weak sauce on Lynn Hill when she toprope-rehersed it. But I am most likely wrong. Time to consult Stone Crusade by John Sherman.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 29, 2005 - 01:58pm PT
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You'll never send it so what does it matter?...JK ;)
Once I had Kauk and Moffet literally talk me through every move..
well the first 3 moves cuz then I'd pop off every time.
Son of a #@%&$*#@!!!
If anyone gives you crap about toproping it, just tell them
your setting it up for Werner and just thought you'd give it a go before he arrives.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 29, 2005 - 02:07pm PT
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My response would be then don’t top rope it if you are worried about what some dumb ass thinks is right.
Somebody top ropes it and does/doesn’t do it = nice
Somebody does/doesn’t without the rope = nice
Me, I don’t give sh-it how anybody does it, use a fire ladder if you have to.
Have fun arguing …….. ha ha ha
I'd rather watch the ski jump in San Francisco
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Straight Outta Squamton
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Sep 29, 2005 - 02:11pm PT
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"--If you don't climb v9--don't go near it. You'll wear down the rock for the real climbers."
That's the funniest fuçking thing I've read in a long time!
LOL!!
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handsome B
Gym climber
Saskatoon, Saskatchawan
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Sep 29, 2005 - 02:15pm PT
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Skin v.s. Granite
The Never-Ending Struggle
Who will be here 4,000 years from now?
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 29, 2005 - 02:29pm PT
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does anybody know what's the story on the bolt hole near the start of ML?
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Sep 29, 2005 - 02:29pm PT
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in defense of that comment, i assume the OP was refering to the "wearing down" by foot traffic. if you doubt the effects of hundreds of dirty shoes dragging up granite footholds, stop by LCC next time you're in salt lake. i'll show you some nice problems that have "no ill effects from hundreds of ascents"
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Sep 29, 2005 - 03:05pm PT
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I have to admit on a recent trip I did pose on the first move for a photo shoot with my 5.10 sneakers on. That poor foothold will never be the same I guess now...
The rest looked easy though.. All big buckets...
-Fear
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 29, 2005 - 03:21pm PT
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Are you doing it because you want the world to know or are you doing it because you want to do it?
Who cares what the world thinks as long as you aren't altering the route, or going on tour afterwords and spraying about your accomplishments.... now if you propose to chip holds to make it easier, you're life won't be worth a tinker's damn.
You shouldn't be confused, as Dingus pointed out, top roping ain't bouldering...
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handsome B
Gym climber
Saskatoon, Saskatchawan
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Sep 29, 2005 - 03:26pm PT
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Just because I don't want to put on my climbing shoes doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to do Copperhead. But next time I hike the Lightning I will brush off my tenies so that some other people can have a chance at it.
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Sep 29, 2005 - 03:30pm PT
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why would you use your feet on copperhead?
oh, and fear, it wasn't your feet, it was the 10 behind you in line waiting to take their "me on midnight" pictures
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Eddie
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 29, 2005 - 03:31pm PT
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Thanks guys. I'm not confused, and I wasn't asking if I should top rope it. I just wanted some true feelings from climbers about what they thought about it. I know people out there have a problem with it, and I know people out there would love to try it on top rope if they could.
I thought it would be interesting to hear another battle on style, attitude, elitism, and plain old arrogance--and I thought there were some particularly interesting elements in this particular battle (visibility, safety, tradition, 'does it count', crowds, etc).
Anyone know the answers to some of the questions people have been posting about who did what how, and when?
And yes, multiple attempts most certainly does affect the climb. So should we save ML for the chosen ones?
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Sep 29, 2005 - 03:34pm PT
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i'm still trying to figure out what makes a climb "worthy" of the chosen ones.
my guess is you'd get a #4 camalot up the @ss for hauling on the east face of washingtons column, but you better bring a gun if you wanna do moonlight w/ out getting stuck under a haulbag.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 29, 2005 - 03:37pm PT
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Yes, save it for the gods, they used to come here before the age of Kali.
But you’ll have to wait about 427,000 more years before they’ll show again.
Meanwhile back at the boulder …….
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