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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 23, 2005 - 01:47pm PT
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I still have some of the old style U-Stem Camelots and
recently had it pointed out to me that they are no good
and that they were recalled at some point.
I have since gone over them with a magnifying glass and have indeed found hairline fractures in the body of some cams where the cable goes thru!
Sketch!!
Does anyone have any more info on this?
Can these cams be returned to BD for any kind of credit towards new cams? Should I just retire them?
Make big keychains?
Chuck them?
Suggestions?
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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Sep 23, 2005 - 02:02pm PT
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If you plan on chucking, give them to me!
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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2005 - 02:07pm PT
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Hey Jake...I'll keep you in mind..
but they may actually "bring you death"!
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Hans.H
Mountain climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 23, 2005 - 02:08pm PT
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I've never heard that. I know they are a fair amount weaker than the next generation, but they are also pretty light (don't know comparing them to the new ones though). If you're super concerned you should right to BD
Ciao
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Good Morning!
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Sep 23, 2005 - 02:12pm PT
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Here's what the BD site says:
Limited Warranty:
For climbing and backcountry ski gear we warrant for one year from purchase date and only to the original retail buyer (Buyer) that our products (Products) are free from defects in material and workmanship. For headlamps our warranty is for three years. If Buyer discovers a covered defect, Buyer should deliver the Product to us at the address on the back cover. We will replace such Product free of charge. That is the extent of our liability under this Warranty and, upon expiration of the applicable warranty period, all such liability shall terminate.
Martin
Prescott College Equipment Warehouse
Edit: I just called BD and talked with Scott.
There has been no recall on any camalots of any style.
For more info on BD product standards go to
http://www.bdel.com/about/
Martin
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 23, 2005 - 02:24pm PT
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In addition, old Camalots were put out by Chounard (even sez so on the cams). BD does not asscociate themselves with those units.
:- k
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Sep 23, 2005 - 02:33pm PT
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When BD sirst went to single stem units they replaced a couple of my old black fours(broken triger bars) with the new units. I sent another one in (included in a larger return order from a shop) twice and they denied responsibility, but the third time they replaced it- maybe they were tired dealing with it every few months.
Persistence may win out, but I don't think they are obligated to do anything.
I have had at least five of the old style trigger bars crack or break and two of the newer (not newest) have had the ends break off, both in that case greens.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2005 - 02:36pm PT
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Here are a couple of pics of the cracks I have on a couple units...
you may want to take a closer look at any of the older units
hanging on your rack!
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 23, 2005 - 02:40pm PT
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yup those look cracked.
I never heard about a recall on those though.
call BD and find out. if there was a recall they will tell you about it.
I know several people who still climb on those cams.
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Good Morning!
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Sep 23, 2005 - 03:34pm PT
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Thanks for the pics - we'll be going through all ours again...
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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2005 - 04:36pm PT
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If I use the cracked cams for aid, does that automatically make it C2?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
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Sep 23, 2005 - 04:37pm PT
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pussies......
(If I owned a Camalot I'd go look at it though. Too modern for me)
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Juan Maderita
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Sep 23, 2005 - 10:47pm PT
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At first glance the photo looked like a casting mark, such as those found on the centerlines of some diecast objects.
So, I dug into my gear to have a look-see. The #1 Camalot I picked up looked fine, but I noticed that it appears to be machined aluminum alloy and not diecast. "Can that be?", I tought to myself. I picked up another #1 and it was okay. Then I hefted a #3 and there was an obvious crack! Just like the posted photo, but right on the center line and perfectly straight. WTF? That shouldn't be! I don't see any obvious stressors, nor have I taken any falls on it.
Looks like I will be sorting through all my old Camalots, and almost certainly retiring the lot.
I really want to know why these are cracking. Is this the first we are hearing of this problem? The only thing I had heard before was that they are substantially weaker than current versions. Looks like a very serious and highly dangerous product defect to me!
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Juan Maderita
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Sep 23, 2005 - 10:50pm PT
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On a side note, a trivia question. Does anyone know the story of how Camalots got their name? Who/where?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 23, 2005 - 10:56pm PT
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Thanks for the heads up on this Shack, very interesting.
I don't have any of these old camlots, but I believe we have a bunch in the wall rescue packs. I'm gona go look for sure.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
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Sep 23, 2005 - 10:59pm PT
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I have been named as the official disposal site for all suspect Camalots™. Please include a $5.60 per cam EPA* fee with each cam to ensure proper handling.
Send all cams now.............. If you have a bunch of them, I might even come by to pick them up. Locker, gas up the Vespa. We're doing a road trip.
*(extreme puss alert)
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Russ Walling
Social climber
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
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Sep 23, 2005 - 11:00pm PT
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Trivia:
Who: Jonny Woodward
Where: Starbucks in Ventura
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 23, 2005 - 11:03pm PT
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Now if I find any cracks in the YOSAR rack I know you are responsible Russ.
You were yardin around on those units when you were here.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
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Sep 23, 2005 - 11:08pm PT
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Werner,
Before I was OTS, I sprayed all the Camalots with liquid nitrogen and quickly stuck them all in my ample ass crack. The temp differential cracked every one of them. Sorry... use a mild bleach solution before your inspection.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 23, 2005 - 11:10pm PT
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LoL, I knew it ...... the truth always comes out.
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