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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 16, 2009 - 12:24pm PT
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Dogtown, I wasn't mentioning myself, and no I am not a great climber (and never said I was, Dogbreath) just that in my time in the Valley in the mid-1970s, I met some top climbers from places other than So Cal, climbers that also had a big contribution to rock climbing (perhaps as big), so please, for your own sake, do not be so damn parochial.
And I was not, and am not, dissing anybody, regardless of where they are from, it is just this self-worth thing is a bit tiring, if that is the correct word.
Think I pissed
Dogtown, a bit of incontinence perhaps?
And in my opinion, you do a great disservice to top climbers from places other than So Cal, in fact by dismissing the contribution of non-So Cal climbers, it is you who are dissing other climbers. Wake up and smell the coffee, it use to be in the Lodge Cafeteria, did you miss out on that?
One more thing, it seems to me (and I could be wrong) that you have bought into the 'cult of celebrity' by glorifying certain people. Sad.
So Cal is not the center of the universe. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I think you have misread what I have originally written.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Oct 16, 2009 - 01:26pm PT
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I must be reading the tiltle wrong, I thought it's subtitle is "CALIFORNIA climbers of the seventies", true there are many others from all around that contributed, but the book is focusing on CALIFORNIA climbers, maybe someone should write an equally good book on OTHER climbers of the seventies!
It's a GOOD book either way, enjoy it for what it is!
Peace
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 16, 2009 - 02:23pm PT
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"And in my opinion, you do a great disservice to top climbers from places other than So Cal, in fact by dismissing the contribution of non-So Cal climbers, it is you who are dissing other climbers."
WTF, are you talking about? Who dismissed non socal climbers? Take your foot out of your mouth and read the book, I'd send you one if I could....
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 16, 2009 - 04:51pm PT
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Hey Jay, I have already admitted not reading the book, but I was not commenting on the book's contents but on what was posted. So lighten up or go the loo.
The Stonemasters: California Climbers in the Seventies, chronicles the meteoric rise of a small band of Southern Californians who...
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graham
Social climber
Ventura, California
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Oct 16, 2009 - 05:43pm PT
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Some interesting comments all…
I think the beauty of the book or as I heard it called today, “Magic” is that it lacks ego. I can’t think of anywhere in it that boasts of difficulty or dismisses other people or areas. It’s just a story book of a fun era and it’s unfortunate with only so many pages not everyone could be included.
Our next book will focus beyond it to the present state of climbing in Yosemite. Perhaps calling it “Valley Climbers” will make it seem exclusionary - I don’t know? Hope not, as Yosemite one melting pot of a larger world.
It’s cool to see the posts of the Limited Editions photos. They’re moving well, we’re shipping #020 now so at this rate we could sell out sooner than we expected.
Anyway thanks for all the interest and ALL the comments.
Cheers
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Oct 16, 2009 - 06:21pm PT
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So Cal is not the center of the universe. Sorry to burst your bubble.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NNNOOO!
Why did you have to burst my bubble.
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rbolton
Social climber
The home for...
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Oct 16, 2009 - 06:30pm PT
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Did he say...NOT...the...center.............
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Oct 16, 2009 - 06:46pm PT
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The next volume on the docket (The Valley Climbers: Yosemite's Vertical Revolution) will bring us right up to the present, with a stack of outstanding stories about modern day speed ascents, free climbing big walls, enchainments (more than one big climb in a day), freesoloing walls, et al. And of course the photos for these modern climbs are stunning.
We're having a very interesting time putting these projects together, since we're doing a slightly different animal in terms of integrating the narrative, pictoral and design elements.
We have high hopes that The Valley Climbers will break some new ground. I was amazed with how seriously many top climbers have taken the project, really putting their hearts and souls into the stories, many of which are unique.
Our third offering - Rats (as in Wall Rats) - looks at the huge and often dangerous artificial routes (big time "nail ups) world wide, from El Cap to Mt. Asgard and beyond. We just started collecting and editing the initial stories and you talk about blockbusters . . .
More later.
JL
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 16, 2009 - 06:53pm PT
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I received my copy yesterday and brought it to the fire station today and am reading it between calls. This is a great book that takes me back in time to my "glory days" in the 80's at Josh and Suicide. There is something guttural in all those stories and experiences that really brings back the sights, sounds and smells of climbing BITD.
Thanks
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Wow, I really toxicated some sh#t on this thread. No?
Dogbreath.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
somewhere approaching Ajna
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Wow, I am really looking to those next two volumes, JL. Shades of Rock Jocks, Wall Rats, and Hang Dogs.
Mille Grazie!
Eric
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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I now have my copy;....it's excellent, and the story of the Stonemasters is rich, facinating, inspiring, and entertaining....
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Double D
climber
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It simply ROCKS! It doesn't diminish in any way the contributions from far corners of the earth but paints a hilarious picture what climbing was like in general back in the day and the roots of mis-adventure that spawned many epic climbs.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Rokjox, I understand what you were saying and by no means whatsoever would I look to play down the contribution of any climber or group of climbers, I just remember some very good Colorado and East Coast climbers pushing the limits as well, both in Yosemite and on their home turf, besides some very good climbers who were from north of the Tehachapis. And I must add that I never was in any of those top tier groups, but I had the pleasure to climb with some of them.
And yes, I agree, congrats on the book lads.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Nov 30, 2009 - 12:48am PT
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just walked in the door after a 500 mile drive home and found a limited edition copy of the stonemaster book waiting for me. holy cow what a handsome volume. if anyone out there collects L.E. books, or climbing books in general, this thing is a steal and there were only 300 printed. yer gonna hate yourself if you don't snap one of these up.
oh yeah -- the material in the book is pretty good too! i need to take a shower and go to bed, but there's no point in trying. gonna be up all night thumbing through this beauty.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:03am PT
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BVB, I hope that you enjoy the work. . .you were there. . .df
edit; MP, Shawn Curtis's Art adds so much soul to the mix, thank you for helping me recover his amazing work. . .
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:44am PT
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Yeah, a definite masterwork! It had me torn between laughter at times and tears as well for some of my fallen friends...But all the while grateful to have witnessed much of this time, and to have known most that were mentioned personally. All were instrumental in inspiring me and my San Diego climbing mates! Much thanks, and once again, stellar work. Michael Paul.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Nov 30, 2009 - 06:04pm PT
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Bump for this amazing piece of history...
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rmuir
Social climber
the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Dec 31, 2009 - 08:19pm PT
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Today, in the mail, I get a belated Xmas gift from my sister. A bunch of old memories from my folk's house... Included was a copy of a book about Galen Clark that I must have sent them years ago. In the back was an 8"x10" B&W which I haven't seen for thirty years or more.
From the original Suicide Party, circa 1974. Same day that the Low Pressure shot was taken. No telling where at the base this was taken and, no, this wasn't my usual garb! Strictly a foppish costume using a Greek wedding shirt. But the bandana is genuine.
Dean... Add this to your collection!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 31, 2009 - 08:21pm PT
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HOOOO MAAAANN robs you're looking SWANK!
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