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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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"Patrick is pretty liberal alright and so is most of the crowd on this forum"
a liberal bent to this forum?
I don't see it
It's farther right than my day to day world.
Come out of the provinces.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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"There is no "truth" - all is in the vantage point."
Here I thought that only liberals said that truth was relative. Conservatives are supposed to think that truth is an absolute - or at least the right-wingers that have dominated U.S. federal politics for 40 years, and their version of truth. Religion, family 'values', all that ideology. It's so important to them that they've drum out true conservatives, for admitting that pragmatism, and even the constitution, sometimes take precedence. Of course, it will probably take the Republican party years to reconstitute after the empty debacle that proved to be.
If there's an ideological theme to the denizens of SuperTopo at all, it's moderate pragmatism and individual responsibility.
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goatboy smellz
climber
dirty south
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Doesn't the conservative agenda dispute evolution?
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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"Come into the provinces"
cute!
I first graduated from college in what state?
Where do you find Lucille?
Ever been to Gerlach, offseason? I have, more than a dozen times and you don't know what I'm talking about.
The house I own is in perhaps, the only county in Ca with just 5 stoplights, might be fewer in Alpine county but I don't think any other county has it's seat in an unincorporated town.
You really can't play that card with me, Lois.
When I'm in the outback, I don't expect it to be a vivid fractal of the world at large. That's why I go there, in the first place.
But I don't expect the views of those there to be reflective of the world at large.
If you think that the bias on the taco to be overly liberal, you Are viewing from a conservative, provincial perspective. For now, I live in a predominantly republican town in northern California. The Taco experience is somewhat right, of that.
Granted, I spend my days with union affiliated teachers, who are grumpy about the gutting the schools have taken largely from a governator that I suspect you, would have supported.
I don't claim that the views here represent the world were you live or that of the world at large. I'd contend that it's closer to the mark, though. What happens here, today, will color your reality eventually. Better to see what's coming than to cling to the past.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Is it okay to ask under what name your husband posts?
I'm not a stalker, but I am curius as to what he has had to say. Feel free to answer this in other places than on the forum, if that helps.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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LEB: keep on fighting on the good fight, don't let the ST negativity get you down. To Mighty Hiker: I have caught you posting complete BS on this website (eg. when Palin moved to Alaska), so maybe you should get off your high horse and be a bit more respectful of other people's point of view. Since your posts have contained many provably wrong "facts," you should work on yourself before criticizing LEB.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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think harder.
I feel like I'm at work...
There are indeed all types, in all walks of life, in all areas. But to identify this forum as left of center means that you don't know where the center is in the first place. I can only imagine that that is the product of living in a provincial environ. You're smart, I doubt that very much slips by you in real life. But you post here as if you're in 'the cave'(I know you get the reference),with a fast connection, and asserting that that view is the real view.
Get centered.
edit, I won't even address his posts, if that's best, I'm just curious about his own point of view. Also do the control panels they show in Dr Strangelove look like real B-52 cockpit control centers?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2009 - 01:43am PT
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Don't cry for me Argentina...
Has she hit 14,000 yet?
Why do we feed this troll? It's fun up to a point but then gets boring. Let's climb, at least that way we will never run into Nurse Ratched.
Bye Bye Nurse Ratched.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jaybro: this site is clearly left of center. If you don't realize that, it's you who are is of touch with reality, not LEB. Do we need to take a poll or something to see how many ST posters are repub v. dem compared to the general population?
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apogee
climber
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When this thread first popped up a couple of days ago, I felt empathy for the OP, but figured it would eventually devolve into the usual ST fracas. Sure enough, it has hit 135+ replies, and the most recent page has nothing at all to do with the OP. How the hell does that happen, people?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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LEB and I are old pals, and frequently talk about skwirrrrls, apples, and other important subjects. She likes it here - perhaps it's more intellectually stimulating than her usual environment. LEB definitely also likes to verbally spar, and may have been a lawyer in a recent life.
I've been around these parts for a while, and try hard to respect the facts. Enough here know me and can confirm same. I undoubtedly make the occasional factual error, or misspeak myself as I believe Republicans put it. Who doesn't? But I try hard to keep opinions and facts separate, and provide sources where appropriate.
I do sometimes post about climbing-related things. blah blah has only been here for 25 posts, and is perhaps withholding his/her climbing stories, wit and commentary until we've proven that we're worthy of them. LEB gets a bye on that score - although a non-climber, she contributes in other ways. How about it? Been out climbing lately?
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apogee
climber
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blahblah- you live in Boulder? And apparently have a right-view of the world? How the h*ll do you survive?
I would have to concur with the view that ST, on the whole, holds a pretty balanced political view of the world. It is one of the things that attracts me most about this forum- there are a number of intelligent, articulate views of the world that are very different from mine that challenge my thinking.
That said, there are also lots of useless, yammering opinions that do nothing more than make me roll my eyes and shake my head. I would level this observation to both ends of the ST political spectrum, mind you.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Blahblah, do you really think so? A serious question, I've been joking around a lot, on this thread, but I really am curious about this.
Boulder is an allegedly liberal town in what I consider to be a conservative, midwestern, (I know, greenies don't like the m-word applied to them) state. I wonder if it just appears liberal because of political geography, and yeah, I've spent time there, lived there even. And, I'm from Chicago so i am allowed to use that m-word. The gestalt of colorado Is more midwestern, than left coast even if it is farther away from nebraska than it's border may indicate.
But, be that as it may,
Do you really think this Tacostand, or at least the body that posts the most, is really left leaning? juan and Lois aren't alone. As I've said, I live in a republican town, and i don't really hear the reactionary banter in daily, real life that is heard here.
Has the left moved that far right?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Compared to the whole United States? (we're split 50-50 more or less) or the whole world, (where the US is right-leaning) or to climbers (who I'd assume are left leaning)
It's all relative
Peace
Karl
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Centrist according to.......
If you were for attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, then you are a centrist.
If you think Gitmo was a good idea, then you are a centrist.
If you think waterboarding is okay, then you are a centrist.
If you think all taxes are bad, and all tax cuts are good, then you are a centrist. Except of course for taxes that pay for war. ( I never have managed to figure that one out )
If you think welfare is bad, then you are a centrist. Excuse me. I mean if you think that some people deserve some help but you never identify just who those people are and believe that the majority of folks on welfare are just welfare queens and that those welfare queens are bankrupting America even though welfare only accounts for 1.5 percent of our spending and studies have shown that less then 10 percent of those on welfare are cheating the system, then you are a centrist.
If you believe that Jesus would have said it was okay to fight in Iraq, then you are a centrist.
If you think it is bad to challenge the president during times of war, then you are a centrist.
If you think that challenging the president is not supporting our troops and is unpatriotic, then you are a centrist.
If you think fox news is okay, but wont admit that and often quote fox news even when they are wrong, then you are a centrist.
So its no wonder that so many here are considered to be hard core lefties and
me....
I am very proud to be left of that center.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Patrick, again I sympathize with you. I have family in the military. I am very proud of them, i am also angry at them, and im scared for them, But most of all i love them and support them. these are natural human feelings and if people want to diss you for having emotion and logical thought f*#k'em.
Peace to you brother.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Lois, I am just going by what people on this site who say that they are centrist, such as you, seem to believe.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Right on S. Powers.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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That was poignant and hillarious, John!
and yeah, that said it all S. Power!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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I'm glad that I could make you laugh Jaybro. It sort of seemed like you could use a good laugh.
I really like Patrick's attitude on this thread. He has been called all sorts of names and told that he should grow up just because he shed tears. That one seems strange to me considering one of my friends cried when his kid joined the army. I asked him why and he said because he was worried for him and proud of him. Some here seem to think that tears are disrespectful. That one seems strange to me because my friend is a Vietnam vet who was a POW and won many medals during his years of service and he cried. I guess that he should grow up and be a man. Dang..
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