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nita
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chica from chico
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Roxjox, Take some comfort in the fact that--- the Ex-employer- does not always win the unemployment fight.
Good Luck with your case..take some sleeping pills or Anxiety pills, you need your sleep for the fight ahead.
Ativan or generic Lorazepam works wonders;-)
Meditation, walking ,yoga & climbing...also will help.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Rokjox,
If you’re denied unemployment benefits, file an appeal immediately.
In Idaho, an appeal is usually effective. Many companies commonly contend that fired employees are ineligible for benefits, but they will not contest an appeal. They count on the fact that many ex employees will not appeal, saving the company funds because the company’s tax rate is computed from the amount of unemployment compensation benefits paid to former employees.
“I am so screwed, I wish I had a union to help me, but not in Idaho, by the Mormon God.”
I’ll take issue with your “Mormon God” assertion. In Idaho, Protestants and Catholics outnumber Mormons two to one. The Right to Work referendum in 1986 was carried by voters in the southwest part of the state, where Mormons are a minority. The majority of voters in the Pocatello area, where the Mormon population is decidedly higher, voted against Right to Work.
The highest concentration of Idaho union workers exist in the nuclear energy research industry and its related contractors in southeastern Idaho. About one half of these union workers are in fact Mormons. No prohibition to organizing or participating in labor unions is binding upon members of the Mormon faith.
If you’re really curious about Idaho’s anti-union reactionary doctinaires who have swallowed and preach the Limbaugh-esque propaganda that all government is dishonest and that its right and normal for right wing authority figures to want to make more money but when workers or unions members want more, it is uppity, presuming, subversive, immoral, and a violation of the Lord's will, you’d be wise to look at another sect, another faith, another union. The rich in Idaho are collectively organized into a tight union and faith that worships their own economic interests. It’s called the Republican Party.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jennie: f you’re really curious about Idaho’s anti-union reactionary doctinaires who have swallowed and preach the Limbaugh-esque propaganda that all government is dishonest and that its right and normal for right wing authority figures to want to make more money but when workers or unions members want more, it is uppity, presuming, subversive, immoral, and a violation of the Lord's will, you’d be wise to look at another sect, another faith, another union. The rich in Idaho are collectively organized into a tight union and faith that worships their own economic interests. It’s called the Republican Party.
OK, you're not Jody. :-)
That's a nice concise wrap up of the situation, not just in Idaho, but the country as well.
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nita
climber
chica from chico
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Leb, In my area,the Nurses and Doctors voted union at our Hospital. Reason....Foul and unreasonable treatment from the owners/administration.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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LEB:But if reaching the top of El Cap or doing xyz climb (whatever it might be) is your goal, you will never get there by metaphorically unionizing
Bad choice of metaphor, Dingus. A rope team is a union. A big time union. Only by climber and belayer working together can El Cap be climbed.
You could not be anymore wrong. If you keep voting Republican, though, you'll see the light someday. You think you're above it all, but the corporations will squash you like a bug someday, no matter how much you kiss up to them.
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Hootervillian
climber
the Hooterville World-Guardian
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now this is what you call 'Suffrage'.....
i know you don't get it LEB, but take heart in that you are providing a valuable service.
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Rok,
I feel for your situation right now even though I have never met you. FWIW if your wife is licensed then she probably has an obligation to go to proper authorities if something wrong is happening with regards to treatment programs adimistered by this pvt company on behalf of the state.
Are you a designer? As in home designer? Just curious.
Good luck and try to keep things positive.
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screelover
Mountain climber
Canuckistan
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Rok,
Sounds like your living in the third world.
Maybe, in spite of your roots and family connections, you need to think about getting youself somewhere else. I know it ain't easy, but sometimes, it's just time to move on.
Given where you live, maybe consider moving about 100 or 150 miles north? You'd get work and decent pay, medical insurance would be a right of citizenship, and you'd discover that church and state can actually be seperated.
I think there is a Canadian Consulat office in Seattle. Check it out.
And good luck with whatever you decide to do. Sounds like you deserve a lot better than you're getting.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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playin by the mans rules was one of the scariest things ever.
get a job with a bigger engineering firm (WGI is in BoyZ) then have them pay for your scoolin. yeah its tuff.
but woe is me wont get you down the road to betterness. i tried that it dont work.
if any youth are reading this they ought to unnerstand that there are decisions made all the time about school, not school, dirbaggin, not dirtbaggin, that seem all fun and stuff but have impacts further on in your life that can screw with you.
i wish you the best but the big firms wont hire you unless you are smoke-free. its a drag but thats how its played out.
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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$30,000 would have bought 4 years of ivy league back in 1978, not just a couple of semesters - not that a fact will likely stop your whining.
(with nice spending money left over.)
LEB - Please delete this post - doesn't have anything to do with Crowley anymore, anyway. :-)
EDIT:
BTW. $30,000 is probably more than the after tax of a district manager for 84 Lumber back then. The manager of the store I worked at tried to talk me out of going to college by arguing how much I would be making in 2-3 years.
You did pay taxes on that right? If not, maybe you ought to delete the post. Pretty sure there is not statute of limitations on tax evasion, and the penalties and interest would likely finish you off.
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Rox, see edit. I think you were posting when I added....
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screelover
Mountain climber
Canuckistan
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Rok,
On second thought, maybe you should stay south of the border till you get some of this shite worked out - likely wouldn't help you out up here. Sounds like you got a heap of monkeys on your back. I'm real sorry bout that.
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John Moosie
climber
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Hey Bro, you might want to take a deep breath there. I learned the hard way that anger expressed so vehemently will only get you more anger. Maybe the person you express it to wont dish it back, but life certainly will. That is the law of karma.
Don't repress the anger, but also don't let it rob you of your peace by giving it out only to get it back from life. Instead, work through the anger. We really do reap what we sow. It may not seem like it because you may be dealing with karma from a previous lifetime, but still it is our karma. The sooner you see this the sooner you can take control of your life.
The debuttante situation sucks.
Being physically hurt sucks.
Working for immoral people sucks.
Listening to self righteous prigs sucks, especially if you know in your heart that they are at least partially right.
But lashing out only gets you a lashing from life. Give that up and seek a better course. Climbing has apt analogies here. When you find your way blocked, you might have to give up hard won ground by downclimbing. To save yourself you might need to leave some gear behind or you might find that your chosen path is just plain wrong and you have to start over. I know it sucks to start over at 54. I am 49 and having to start over. It can be done. You have to ask yourself if you want to continue doing what you are doing and reaping the same results, or do you want to try something else. I don't just mean in your work. But in all of life.
Peace out, I think you can find your way. I know that peace and hope exist and are possible for everyone. I hope you find yours.
John
Try reading. "The least you should know about life" by Kim Michaels.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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rox,
ya gots to keep the faith. you sound so negative.
you said earlier that you never made more than $50k.
Here.
http://www.jobweb.com/resources/library/Salary_and_Benefits/Starting_Salary_51_01.htm
Engineering (BS Level Starting Salaries)
Chemical 52,000 - 57,600
Civil 40,000 - 47,000
Computer 50,000 - 56,000
Electrical/Electronic 49,000 - 56,000
Mechanical 47,000 - 54,240
Dude, these are in line with what you were used to.
i know that there are students out there makin this, it aint made up. experience does count for a lot, but sometimes you got to go through the work of gaining confidence in your employer to get there.
EIT's are not that common, basically you said it yourself, you will be doing the work without supervision, then after 4 years take the test, then throw your shingle up yourself if you want.
engineers where i work make from about $75k to $100k plus bennies. yeah, it cuts into recreation. but 4 10 hour days and if you work OT you get paid for OT. problem is that only the big jobs give you some of these bennies.
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John Moosie
climber
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Hey Rox, it sounds like you have lots of marketable skills, but not much market. If you need more schooling, then consider looking for a school that helps older students. They exist. They have such things as scholarships for older students. These are usually offered by guys just like you who went back to school at an older age, found it tough and decided to do something about it when they made it by offering a scholarship. There are some really awesome things out there. You just have to look and you have to bug the finance people at your schools to help you look.
Another thing to consider, for older students with experience, schools will sometimes make up accelerated programs. This can be hard to get, it just depends on the school and who actually works there. But experience often counts for a lot. Especially if you go look up some of the professors and tell them you are thinking about going back to school and need some advice about how to do it. Ask them if they have accelerated programs. Make friends. Just like you would if you were trying to get beta for a climb. Don't treat them as an adversary. Most professors are people who like to help, if you give them a chance. You just have to provide the desire and the will, they will help you find the way.
More to consider, if you do decide to go to school and you need to move, consider renting your home out instead of selling. Keep it and retire there when you are able.
Just some thoughts. I think everyone here is rooting for you.
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