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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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So, it’s just barely seven am. I just cranked one of my favorite beers because I gave up beer for vodka, to be sneaky, obviously, a year ago. Wife is out of town so I can pull it off. I have a meeting with my doctor in an hour or so to begin medically withdrawing myself from alcohol. I went cold turkey yesterday and thought I was going to die. Literally. I’m putting a lot of confidence in my doctor. Fingers crossed, next post will be sober. Pretty sure in the fifteen years that I’ve conversed with all of you, I’ve never been sober. Time for a f*#king change!
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Good luck, and keep us posted,Brandon. Some people get lucky, as I did, with sobriety itself easy to keep(no booze, I mean; other parts of emotional sobriety give me such a run for my money people still avert their eyes because it's difficult to watch). And some struggle mightily, to stay away from that first drink.
It's that first drink that is the fire you have to keep away from. The rest is.....life.
As for being sneaky....usually not something that is a good strategy in the long run, as you noticed.
Let's try to keep this thread bumped. And way to go Silent One. Happy New Year, indeed.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, Brandon_
way to go... amen... good for you...
honesty, is the best... as to-- working at, and finding ways to change...
it seems hard to imagine, but-- someday, you TOO, like others,
will be able to look back, at:
a good victory...
and, be GLAD for it...
sending love and prayers...
keep checking in! and, keep posting and friends will be here,
and, we will keep on, be helping...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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dude. you have to actually want to quit. If you don't want to quit your just spinning your wheels... when you get to that place where you really honestly want to make a change you can do it.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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How’s it going Brandon. Transcontinental sober vibes sent!
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Brandon-The focus and ability to get things done when sober is worth it alone. Sobriety is not torture, it's more like liberation and a high of it's own. Doing what you know is right and getting back to the line are fantastic feelings. I can only imagine the satisfaction would be that much greater with a significant others well being involved.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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So far so good. Powerful drug the doctor gave me though.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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That's sometimes what it takes to get the foot into the stirrup of the sobriety saddle. Countless people could have had the chance for sobriety, and didn't, before these new drug therapies.
Of course once seated learning to ride is another thing. But same as in horsemanship, easy does it.
Giddyup!
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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C'mon Brandon. What Tradman says above. I learned from my own son who was just as wild as I was growing up. He said, "Dad you just have to decide the person you want to be. And then be that person!"
I know that is exactly contrary to the 12 steps of which I had some years of bummer experience with years ago.
Is your doctor giving you Naloxone or a relative of that drug? Friend of mine with a 50 year daily drinking habit just walked away from it after receiving injections and then continuing with oral. Been three years now and he told me, "I know I'm supposed to say this has been hard for me every single day but honestly, I haven't even thought about it since they put me on the medication". He still keeps good beer at his cabin for guests.
You can do it. You can do it.
Arne
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Here's another option for those who can't stand the god bothering addiction substitution portion of AA. 12 step programs have worked for a lot of folks, but also not for a whole bunch of people, and the statistics are largely intentionally obscured. The problem is when the 12 Step sort of thing is the only offering.
https://rational.org/index.php?id=1
Best of luck Brandon, I've had a number of folks, including my mother, die from alcohol related issues. It's a terrible way to go.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Oh for Fux sake, Kent. You're simply posting misinformation.
Have you tried AA? Ever even BEEN to an AA meeting?
Nobody "flunks" in AA. That is not a word in their lexicon.
It's true that AA doesn't work for everyone - but neither does ANY form of medication or therapy. It works for some, and I dare say it's certainly higher that 8%. Until AA was formed, people with the disease had little chance of living a free life much less a sober one.
And one poignat part in that book you dissed is that it SPECIFICALLY says their hope is that - so long as it is needed, that AA is there for people. The writers, one of which was a doctor and the other probably more like a climber than half of those who rope up nowadays, were hardly illiterate. And even if they don't write to the level you feel is worthy - so the fuk what? There ARE drunks who can barely read, and who, especially in early sobriety, can't focus on *big words."
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WBraun
climber
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another nickname is a drunk, yep, a drunkard who failed intelligence.
He's drunk on st00pid .....
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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I have read some of the *science-based anti-AA stuff over the years.
In my post above, I was referring to your use of the word "flunked," and the idea that a reason someone couldn't stay sober was due to having a character defect. Or, is that the posit of the author?
Because the character defect, as it goes in AA, is pretty much a normal human trait, alcoholic or not. It's just that, from the AA perspective, allowing those traits to rule our emotions tends to trigger our desire for relief...drinking, or other ways of acting out.
I know the medical community is often skeptical of AA. Nothing to prescribe... Maybe if there had been a way to get a referral fee for patients to go to AA they'd be less so....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I know the medical community is often skeptical of AA. Nothing to prescribe... Maybe if there had been a way to get a referral fee for patients to go to AA they'd be less so....
Happi, I could not disagree with you more. The medical community is VERY supportive of AA. I made referrals to 12-step programs on a daily basis for decades.
You should understand that the community is skeptical of ANYTHING, as a scientific endeavor should be.
This is not to say that there are not some practitioners who are naysayers---I'm sure there are! But to paint the whole profession is simply wrong.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746426/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25421504
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WBraun
climber
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You sound exactly like a brainwashed sterile bureaucrat ......
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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"The unexamined life is not worth living"
-attributable to Socrates
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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stupid people already have all the answers ~ Socrates
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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No withdrawals or cravings yesterday or thus far today. Feeling good. Withdrawals were severe every other time I’ve tried this, so I rushed back to the bottle to make them go away.
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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choose life
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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That's great Brandon. It sounds like your body was going into physical withdrawal, and no wonder you would want to save yourself from that. It can be fatal.
Here's to your sober life ahead(holds up my coffee mug).
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