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climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Nov 12, 2013 - 11:07am PT

So what you are saying is that wall street is the largest impact racist group in the world?

Chewybacca

Trad climber

Montana, Whitefish

Nov 12, 2013 - 11:58am PT

Rsin- You are mistaken about the definition of racism. While the word does have multiple meanings I've never seen your definition in any dictionary.

One form of racism is displayed in the Zimmerman threads here on ST. Those folks who are posting links in an attempt to paint a race as more criminally inclined than another race are practicing a form of racism.

You don't have to have control or influence over someone to be a racist. Your claim that blacks can't be racist is just silly, I've known several non-white racists. The truth is that every race has its share of racists.

We also have to keep in mind that there are different levels of racism. Not all racists are of the Jim Crow hang'em from the nearest tree type racist.

I think of myself as a bigot against bigots.

Chewybacca

Trad climber

Montana, Whitefish

Nov 12, 2013 - 12:29pm PT

I don't have a clue what your first two lines mean. You may want to consider taking more time to express your thoughts in more comprehensive manner.

As to your question, Merriam-Webster dictionary among others. Where did you get your definition from? My guess is that you made it up.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 12, 2013 - 01:16pm PT

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Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Nov 12, 2013 - 01:25pm PT

What a shitty thread.

Racism is for losers, as is violence or threats thereof.

I've been in my share of fights, and there's nothing cool about kicking someone's ass, or conversely, getting your ass kicked. I've been on both ends of the spectrum and it didn't solve anything for me. Honestly, it made things worse.

When I kicked some ass, I felt really terrible afterwards. When I got my ass kicked, I felt pretty terrible as well.

The sudden violence that accompanies fights may appeal to some, but it's no longer a part of my life. I'm man enough now to not instigate sh#t, I voice my opinion and let it go.

Living my life in a respectable manner works for me.

Chewybacca

Trad climber

Montana, Whitefish

Nov 12, 2013 - 01:34pm PT

Thanks for the explanation rSin.

All racism is nasty. Even the milder forms of racism visible in the Zimmerman threads adds to the overall problem. I doubt any of those posters want to actively discriminate against people with dark skin. But nonetheless, due to their racist generalizations, they are helping to perpetuate the problem.

I was first introduced to racism while attending elementary school in Macon Ga during the late sixties. Since then I have seen a lot of positive changes. We still have a long way to go but we're headed in the right direction on equality.

I agree about reverse racism, I never bought into it. A racist is a racist regardless of skin color.

I gotta split, have a good day.

bookworm

Social climber

Falls Church, VA

Nov 13, 2013 - 10:06am PT

"Screw the Constitution! It only prevents the government from becoming all powerful!"

"Burning the flag is free speech, but flying a flag is racist!"

"You don't have any rights except those granted by the government!"

"You have no right to protect yourself or your family!"

"If you don't like this, you are a racist!"

dirtbag

climber

Nov 13, 2013 - 10:21am PT

Bookworm f*#k you, you neoconfederate troll. Seriously, fukk you.

I laugh at you. Why? Because your kind is in decline--culturally, demographically and politically. You frustrated, angry little man.

HermitMaster

Social climber

my abode

Nov 13, 2013 - 10:25am PT

Calling members of the forum "racists" over and over is not insightful.

It is a false charge and no one should listen to it.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Nov 13, 2013 - 10:37am PT

Bookworm f*#k you, you neoconfederate troll. Seriously, fukk you.

Yeah, that should bring him around onto the true path. Most eloquently put.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 13, 2013 - 11:27am PT

Reilly you really think these pukes are interested in reason?

No. They're just a bitter bunch of old white men, fearful of a changing world with more brown people, and so they cling to a bitter, hateful, and divisive symbol.

No, they've had 150 years to grow up and embrace modernity, but they still fight it kicking and screaming.

Fook all of them.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Nov 13, 2013 - 11:32am PT

Dirt, I just don't like seeing you writhing in the mudpit.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 13, 2013 - 11:43am PT

Thanks Reilly--seriously thanks.

Sometimes you just have to call it as it is.

People have been arguing and dying over these issues for years, and yet these knuckle draggers are still here espousing the same backwards-ass bullsh#t.

Caveman

climber

Cumberland Plateau

Nov 13, 2013 - 11:58am PT

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.

I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Nov 13, 2013 - 12:28pm PT

Funny how some of you who are all bent out of shape at the Confederate Flag are the same ones who apparently want to see the "Red States" separate out from your "Blue States."
Hypocrisy much?

Getting bent, one way or the other, about flags and such is a fool's errand, so no surprise to see it getting so much traction on ST.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Nov 13, 2013 - 02:11pm PT

It isn't about what might, on paper, be interpreted.

It's because there are millions of people already who hate and despise it seeing it in their towns.

I agree that the U.S. flag might be inciting anger at some specific areas around the world - but a better analogy would be to use the swastika in a jewish neighborhood. They lost the war and the legacy was that of minorities being treated less than human. The infrastructure behind the two flags has fallen, unlike the stars and stripes which you can find at any international game we are invited to.

Fact. The memory and symbolism of those two flags, to the majority of those affected by their outcomes, aren't so positive.

The list can go on and on-if we start equating attitudes to flags...this will become a simple witchhunt, then.

o-man

Social climber

Paia,Maui,HI

Nov 13, 2013 - 10:57pm PT

Back in 1963 after living in Europe for four years my parents and I returned to our family home in Mississippi.( It was during the civil rights period). Pearl, Mississippi was a universe away from Bittborg, West Germany. (It was like being dropped onto another planet!) In Mississippi I experienced racial segregation for the first time in my life. (There were separate drinking fountains, restrooms, schools, church’s,and buses for the black people in the community we lived in.
Once my father was assaulted by the KKK for promoting a black employee to a supervisory position in his company instead of a white man.
As soon as I finished high school I move away and never looked back.