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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 13, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
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Moving on from the reconstruction papers I cited for south America and Africa we get to Russia and China. I may have to repost this co2 site for S.A. and Africa- it's such a wonderful resource and lists lots of papers from a single summary. Yes, doomists, there are hundreds of peer reviewed papers noting a contemporaneous and distinct MWP and LIA worldwide. Read em and weep.
http://www.co2science.org/subject/m/summaries/mwprussia.php
http://www.co2science.org/subject/m/summaries/mwpchina.php
And Ed, do you think we are such idiots as to allow you to make the rules? This is a brawl buddy, not some genteel debate.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 13, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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Where's H2O?
and it's corresponding reflective bands.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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You know my opinion and you know it is backed up by a rising chorus of reputable scientists. Play all the games you want because the facts of observed reality are leaving CAGW far behind. Get with the 21st century Ed.There are numerous papers listed on each link. Find them and read yourself to form your own opinion.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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Where's H20?
That's actually a good question TGT.
It's filtered out because it was a study to determine the direct effects of man-contributed GHG's.
When CO2 heats up the atmosphere, evaporation causes water vapor to increase, providing a positive feedback loop. Reduce CO2, temps go down, water vapor condenses out of the atmosphere.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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Some One talking about blowing smoke?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
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So filter out the one massive overwhelming "greenhouse" gas to promote the desired view?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
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You know that's bullshit TGT. Adding long lived CO2 to a system has dramatic effects on the outcome.
I just told you water vapor increases due to the temp increase of CO2, causing more temp increases. A positive feedback loop on temp that is directly responsible by the addition of CO2.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
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Riddle me this.
How THICK an atmosphere does it take to produce the recorded CO2 absorption levels?
At present CO2 levels?
At half those levels?
at twice those levels?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
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TGT goes ballistic.
Thanks for removing that enormous pic.
The answers are out there, TGT. Glad to help you out with the positive feedback aspect of water vapor and CO2. Something that you clearly did not uderstand.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
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How THICK an atmosphere does it take to produce the recorded CO2 absorption levels?
At present CO2 levels?
At half those levels?
at twice those levels?
Those are three very simple questions
When you can answer them, get back to me.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
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Why don't you actually contribute some science, TGT, rather than just asking questions.
Please give us your take. I provided the Harris 2001 paper, where's your paper?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
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Tenth Grade Teapartier,you fit RIGHT in the Denieosphere.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
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What are the spectral characteristics of a black body,
illuminated by sunlight,
as measured from 0-1000m at present atmospheric composition and at half and twice present CO2 levels?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
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In general, black bodies absorb high energy shorter wave lengths and emit lower energy longwave radiation.
Why don't you just get to the point?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 13, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
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The point is you don't understand how little of the atmosphere it takes to absorb all that re-emitted radiation.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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Rick said, "And Ed, do you think we are such idiots as to allow you to make the rules? This is a brawl buddy, not some genteel debate."
Thanks for admitting that you are only an obstructionist, uninterested in facts. How can a rational person possibly have a useful discussion with that?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
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Name a verifiable fact predicted by CAGW climate change Splater.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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How about starting with the warmest year ever 2012.
Damn monolith,that was fast! ,all right,how about seconding with the warmist year ever 2012
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