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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 8, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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I use it in daily language, not sure if people understand what I'm getting at.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Hell no!
I heard Boomer, my dad, cuss guys out loudly and roundly about this so everyone was aware.
Definition: "Sandbagger" is a derogatory term in golf that applies to golfers who cheat by pretending to be worse golfers than they really are. The term can be thought of two ways:
1. Generally, any golfer who misleads others about his ability level, claiming to be worse than he actually is at golf, might be a sandbagger. If the person is not trying to gain from that deception, no problem (he might even be aware he is misleading others about his ability - he might just have low self-esteem). But a golfer who deliberately misleads others about his ability in order to gain in some way - to win a bet, for example - is a sandbagger.
2. More specifically, a sandbagger is a golfer who artificially inflates his handicap index in order to better his chances of winning tournaments or bets.
A sandbagger is considered by many to be the lowest form of life on a golf course. A sandbagger can inflate his handicap index by selectively leaving out his best rounds of golf when he posts scores for handicap purposes.
Then, when the sandbagger enters a tournament, he claims, for example, a handicap index of 18 when, in fact, his true handicap might be closer to, as an example, 12. Voila, the sandbagger has just bought himself six extra strokes off his net score, and improved his odds of winning his flight or the tournament.
Sandbaggers are, at base, cheaters and hustlers. Golfers who are found out to be sandbaggers are often ostracized and always looked down upon.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Ever played a round of golf, Pig of the Woods?
I'm sure you must've padded your score, thinking the higher it was the better. Loll. Like that.
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jabbas
Trad climber
New River, AZ
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Even in drag racing everyone knows about sandbaggers.
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nutjob
Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
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I thought the term originated from putting a sandbag in the backpack of another member in a group (e.g. on a hike, a typical boyscout prank).
In general terms, it is a form of cheating or dishonesty to make something more difficult for someone else, usually done as a light-hearted joke rather than with malicious evil intent.
So it is a natural evolution for climbing, to tell someone that something is easier than it is, sort of equivalent to sticking extra weight in their backpack so they feel like they can't perform as well as they thought.
So sandbag as a verb should refer to what a person does to another, rather than as a general characteristic of a rating for a climb. But with wider use it has taken on this more generalized meaning.
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
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Sandbagging is used in bowling to refer to someone who plays in a handicap league and bowls badly on purpose to lower his/her average and then bowls their best for difficult games to benefit from the higher handicap points.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
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I've always guessed that its origins are older than its use in climbing, but it does lend itself to climbing in a fitting way.
You know, by giving a climb a sandbagged rating the FA'ist is putting extra weight on future climbers harnesses. In the form of sandbags.
Edit: Nutjob and I are saying the same thing.
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MonkeyofJustice
Trad climber
Oakland, CA
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In court, "to sandbag" is when your opponent unfairly hides information.
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pocoloco1
Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
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King of the sandbaggers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_Thompson
"One hustle of his was to beat a golfer playing right-handed, and then offer double or nothing to play the course again left-handed as an apparent concession. One thing his opponent usually did not know was that Thomas was naturally left-handed.[10] Thomas' genius was in figuring out the odds on almost any proposition and heavily betting that way. He also had to perform under pressure, and most often did."
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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In Karting the term is used....
" I sandbagged in the heats, and the first half of the race, then I turned it on... he didn't know what hit him and crashed out trying to catch me."
Herb Leger.... King of the Sandbaggers.
Wrote the book.
He will look you in the eye, tell you it's pretty cake 11 with good holds and pro....and smile.
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