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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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"A person that knows how to properly use and effectively reload an assault rifle would kill every kid in the class room as they ran at him. All day long. If you had endless amounts of ammo and children running at you in theory a gunman could kill children in a rush until his trigger finger reached muscle failure about six or seven hours into it. And maybe not even then."
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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A determined goblin armed with an axe could accomplish the same thing, as long as he was up against women and kids in a gun free zone.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Extra time to charge (in the right situation) or to find egress would change a thing. You just aren't honest, but I don't expect that from you.
Honest about what?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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A determined goblin armed with an axe could accomplish the same thing, as long as he was up against women and kids in a gun free zone.
That was proven UNTRUE by the attack in China the same day, where EVERY KID LIVED.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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freedom isn't free ya know
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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how well trained are all these amateur psychopaths to handle every situation?
A crazy psychopath can learn a lot about target prioritization by getting good at Call of Duty...
Regarding the Jebus / MichaelD business, may I suggest dueling pistols at 15 paces?
That was proven UNTRUE by the attack in China the same day, where EVERY KID LIVED I don't think we know enough about the attack in China to draw any conclusions. From BBC news: "Security at China's schools has been increased in recent years following a spate of similar knife attacks in which nearly 20 children have been killed."
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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At 15 paces f*ck it. Maybe i'll get a hit or two.
But you'll get 30.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Are we talking about shooting each other again?!?! How fun. Of course we need easy access to guns without mental evaluations... duh.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Hi-cap mags are more likely to jam.
I am going to call for a very public firing of the B of A manager who sabotaged that gunmaker's account at the next stockholder's meeting if I can make it.
He (or likely she) managed to sabotage the B of A "brand" as well by sending the wrong message to customers.
What's next? A manager loses a loved one to a drunk driver and so sabotages the account of a brewery?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Tune in to CNN-Piers Morgan, tonite (Monday, 7th) for a whole lot of gun talk pros and cons.
Hahaha, more like Gun cons. And more gun cons. And guns are bad.
Isn't he supposed to get deported? 25,000 petitions in 3 hours was awesome.
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Do it PR. That guy has NO AUTHORITY over that sh*t.
Hi-cap mags are more likely to jam.
The Cali-legal 10 rounders (Tapco) I bought for my AK to make it Cali-Compliant, won't STOP jamming!
Have to resort to other measures.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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A manager loses a loved one to a drunk driver and so sabotages the account of a brewery?
That MIGHT make sense... if beer was designed specifically to kill people and several people intentionally set out to kill dozens of innocent people while drunk driving.
But, that isn't how the REAL world is. Try again.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Twinkies and guns were a blast in SF way back when, remember the twinkie defense?
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Anastasia, WHERE ARE YOU? We need help in this room I think...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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michaeld, an AK that jams?
Really?
And what does Kali legal mean? Thumbhole stock? Screwed in magazine?
I'm not taking mechrist's bait.
B of A needs to protect its brand through professional behavior.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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...several people intentionally set out to kill dozens of innocent people while drunk driving.
Well I suppose you could argue the meaning of "intentional." But if a person gets drunk in a situation where they plan to drive home, what's not premeditated about that?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Well I suppose you could argue the meaning of "intentional." But if a person gets drunk in a situation where they plan to drive home, what's not premeditated about that? In law, which is at least sort of what is being discussed, knowledge to a substantial certainty is often considered to be more-or-less the same thing as intent.
Breweries know that each year many people will purchase their product, use it in a predictable (albeit illegal) manner, and death will result.
No one needs to use beer--sure it can be legally used--but so can guns.
Where's the call it outlaw it? Well they tried that . . .
I'm giving it an analogy thumbs up. Sure it's not exactly the same thing, but if it was, it wouldn't really be an analogy.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Close enough.
Right now, you can drink or posess as much alcohol as you can buy, and you will not be bothered by The Government unless you f*#k up. Firearms should be treated the same way.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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But if a person gets drunk in a situation where they plan to drive home, what's not premeditated about that?
Nobody said it wasn't premeditated. The word was intentionally. A drunk driver does not intend specifically to kill people. The mass shooters intended to kill people with their guns, which are designed specifically to kill.
ANYWHERE you sell a car you have to transfer the title. A car used to kill dozens of innocent people can be traced back to the purchaser. In many places, NO record of sale is required to purchase guns, which are designed specifically to kill.
We have DUI check points to check if the mental fitness of the driver is compromised. We have NO similar checks for the mental fitness of people with guns, which are designed specifically to kill.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Aren't dictionaries wonderful things?
Nobody said it wasn't premeditated. The word was intentionally.
Definition of PREMEDITATION
: an act or instance of premeditating; specifically : consideration or planning of an act beforehand that shows intent to commit that act
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/premeditation
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