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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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THREAD DRIFT (but this thread could use a bit of lightheartedness)
Scuffy B
One of the best but flawed
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
I used to go missing a lot... Miss Canada, Miss United Kingdom, Miss World.
George Best
I've stopped drinking, but only while I'm asleep.
George Best
In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life.
George Best
I once said Gazza's IQ was less than his shirt number and he asked me: "What's an IQ?"
George Best, Best on Paul Gascoigne.
I was in for 10 hours and had 40 pints - beating my previous record by 20 minutes.
George Best, regarding a blood transfusion for his liver transplant
Scuffy what's the one story, he's in The Ritz, and the room service waiter comes in to see Best and Miss World on the bed with loads of pounds notes scattered all over, and the waiter says: "Where did it all go wrong Mr Best?"
I knew a guy in London and he was drinking mates with Best. He said that George always wanted to pick a table near the women's toilets. "Why?", "Because at some point tonight, every woman is going to have to use the loo," Best replied. And sure enough, women would be leaving their telephone numbers on George's table.
Okay, back to fixed lines, litter and hysterics.
EDIT
I used to have a football pal, Mike Simon, that I played with on a couple of teams until the the San Jose Earthquakes (the older team in the NASL, not the renamed Houston Dynamo or the new San Jose Earthquakes) drafted him. Mike said that Best was a footballing genius, as he played with Best for the Earthquakes.
In 1982, Northern Ireland having qualified for the 1982 World Cup, NI manager Billy Bingham said he would take a fit George Best to the finals.
Around April, 1982 Middlesborough were bottom of the old English First Division and wanted to sign Best as a 'gate draw', you know, bums on seats in theater talk. The Earthquakes said: "Okay George, go to England, get match fit , go to the World Cup, and then come back to us."
Best went a missing for two weeks on a binge. No World Cup, which some may say why he wasn't a great player. But of course, he was.
A common description of his place in football history is summed up by the quote "Maradona good; Pelé better; George Best."
What does this have to do with climbing? Absolutely nothing, but I did state at the start that it was thread drift.
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Scott Thelen
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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I think it's karma for naming a peak in the Sierra Mt Bandaloop :-}
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hoipolloi
climber
A friends backyard with the neighbors wifi
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Steve- I am sorry your lines got taken. That is lame. I am not the biggest fan of leaving fixed lines up for long stretches, BUT yours were on an obscurity and were nicely strung up. I saw them at the end of October and they were well out of the way of everything. No reason anyone should have taken them without contacting you or making it known they were doing so.
did you double check it wasn't the NPS?
To (most) of the rest of you --- You don't climb, hike, walk, look at or go near el cap. Don't convolute a real issue with an issue of the past. Shut the f*#k up if you having nothing to say directed at the issue of someone jugging and taking the lines. Go back to your armchair and rub your balls some more.
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RP3
Big Wall climber
El Portal/Chapel Hill
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+1 Dave!
There is a lot of BS on this thread (~95% of posts) that is not related to the real issues.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Didn't some guys named Robbins, Pratt, Chouinard and Frost opine 50 years ago that using fixed ropes in Yosemite wasn't good style? And didn't they do their best to live up to their words? And wasn't that the accepted ethos for decades? So what's changed?
The thing that changed is that those guys weren't trying to climb EL Cap free. The game was merely to "get up" El Cap, and you could even pound as many pitons as you liked in the process
For now, even though I'm not a fan of long term fixed lines, the game even for the elite, involves repeated trips working incredibly hard pitches several number grades harder than those guys dreamed of.
Someday maybe people will be so insanely good they can just go send that stuff onsight but that day doesn't seem so soon
Peace
Karl
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Suppose the person had refused to give you the gear you claimed was yours. If you had assaulted that person, since it was only a claim that it was your gear, you would have been charged with assault and battery in another person's residence. Even were your legal defense ultimately successful,
CAUTION! This is the OJ defense. assaulting someone to reclaim one's property.
You know, the guy sitting in jail.
physical attacks are always wrong, legally. Don't let your testoterone put you in the slammer.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Let me
Paraphrase what Chief said...
You lost some old shite line you abandon for a month, get over it and harden the Fcuk up.
Edit, I'll give u a 100 bucks to stop posting, about ur True Nose attempt.
Wow, what's cozzie's rub with Steve?
Shpoopi, get back to your desk and sell whatever cozzie's selling!!!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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How many people on this thread have completed a route on el cap?
How many people on this thread have paid taxes for the purchase, upkeep and maintenance of Yosemite?
In other words....you don't own it, Bud.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Silver,
Did I sleep
With ur girlfriend BITD?
You leg humping psycho,
Steve and I r great friends and he works for me, so go F yourself shite bird.
And sure send me a 100 bucks stalker boy.
Edit, I'm truly concern for SS and his rant, really seems absurd.
Guys like Silver and Cragman just make me nervous.
haha,
i knew $100 was'nt enough to change human nature.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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There's no reason to take personal offense or to get paranoid. The ropes probably looked like abandoned junk and could not possibly have any value to anyone else. Someone was just cleaning the sh#t off El Cap and that's to be praised.
Maybe someone is out to get Mr Sneider or was really pissed about the lines being fixed, but I doubt it. Why the topmost rope wasn't taken, I wonder if someone was bailing or rapping a nearby route that joined with this one, and took down the lower ropes but didn't want to go up to get the last one? That's my guess.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I guess I just don't like the OP approach of what is clearly not a slam dunk situation being described as a federal crime, with a reward offered (oh, and "guilty"....we don't need to bother with courts and such), with discussion of attacks on the "perps".
You do wonder if Steve would have been so forthcoming in his confession of past sins, if the victims had recently posted their consideration that it was a felony and offered a reward.
Steve seems to have a non-understanding of how Karma works. He is willing to bathe in the nurturing forgiveness of others, but is not willing to extend that same spirit to other souls, at least in principle.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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I like old sayings because they are so true...
This is a really great one for this thread.
If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it.
Plus the purpose of anger is to, protect, defend, and fix problems. Now the anger being expressed on this thread, which is all about beating up a person into a pulp, with no way to appease, correct the situation except by completely dominating your foe. When there is actually nothing at risks beyond people's egoes and ideas. You are just giving yourself a heart attack.
Man, when you are on your death bed, is this B.S. going to be on your mind? If not, then please go do something that would matter, go do the stuff that will bother you when breathing your last breath. The stuff that dying people say that they should have done. Seriously, don't waste your life. Live Bigger than this shiest. Stop wasting your energy here. There is nothing to see, move on.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it.
Is this really the same person who posted earlier in this thread? The same one who called me so many not so "nice" names?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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gc,
rules and sayings are best for other people to follow....when will you ever learn?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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gc,
rules and sayings are best for other people to follow....when will you ever learn?
Yes, but to be fair, if I followed the rules and sayings I've recommended to other people, I'd be rich and famous now.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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gc
no, you wouldn't be rich. For the obvious reasons.
and you're quickly becoming infamous in this community.
SS:
What i would really like to just happen is to have my ropes returned to me, without all the rangers getting involved.
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The culprit is guilty of stealing $500 worth of rope in a federal park, which i believe is like a full on felony. Steve makes a statement of intent, and another of fact.
He retracted his reward "offer" as Steve originally meant it in jest, or perhaps pique.
My synopsis
SS left ropes on a tough new route he was working on the Nose.
3 of them were removed by someone unknown except it wasn't the Rangers.
By some standards of The Valley the ropes hadn't been up there particularly long.
from gc:
You left TRASH up on the wall for a month or more and someone removed it. Are you rich enough to call 2 climbing ropes trash?
Lots of climbers leave ropes up longer than a month.....for at least a dozen good reasons.
SS wants his ropes back.
Reasonable.
SS has involved the Rangers to check that they hadn't removed them.
SS apologized publicly and directly to the offended parties about his WOS silliness.
SS is a helluva better climber than 9/10 of the people on this thread (irrelevant), especially including me.
SS is a helluva nice guy and is always contributing to the climbing community.
graniteclimber
why do you have such a burr up your arse about Steve wanting his ropes back?
WHO the hell are you?
Fred Glover
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Fred Glover
Are you rich enough to call 2 climbing ropes trash?
You would have benefited from reading the thread before posting.
He lost 3 ropes, not 2. They were static lines, not "climbing ropes."
Also, there's new ropes, used ropes and used up, worn-out mank ropes. From Steve's description of his ropes, these were used up worn-out mank ropes, and yes I would call them trash ropes.
These are ropes that if I had cleaned them, I would not keep for my own use. I would throw them in the dumpster. I would do this even if I did not have the money to buy new ones.
Fred, this was covered already. Some of your other questions are also covered. If you read the two threads and still have questions, then ask.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I have to agree coz....To locker i give double -2 finger salutes while he lives in the hotel room of his mind....Schnidy rules...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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At least horse-face toilet plunger is still on board....! RJ
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