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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:55am PT
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I find it interesting when you libs don't criticise Iran and other Muslim regimes when they execute innocent Buddhist and CHistians. Only crying over bombed jihadis and conspirators.
F*#king weak, in my book, but then I'm a homophobic bigot who hates seeing fags swinging from Iranian poles. Do you ever speak out about that???? Fag-lover?
I'll probably live with myself. Unlike you, I know evil when I f*#king see it!!!
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:55am PT
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i think you are hot for poodles and dudes
and i think you rationalize with the best of them-
and obviously i think you are uncaring and unfeeling-
just as i think of all others who buy into any rhetoric of hate and exclusion, much of which is driven by religious institutions...
how ironic that you yourself compare your own religion to those others- yes- you are all equally able to hate in the name of god, and no, it's no more loving when anyone does so than when any other does, and no, it's not in the essence of any of the true teachings, only in the words of men who harbor(ed) hate within their own impure heart(s)
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:58am PT
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gotta give all that $ to someone
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:59am PT
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how ironic that you yourself compare your own religion to those others- yes- you are all equally able to hate in the name of god, and no, it's no more loving when anyone does so that any other, and no, it's not in the essence of any of the true teachings, only in the words of men who harbor(ed) hate within their own impure heart(s)
Don't you dare compare radical Isalm to moderate Christianity. Don't even go there. NO COMPARISON!!!!
Equally hate in the name of God? Read on, fool...Read both books.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:02am PT
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I agree with you Blue, a natural childbirth from two parents and raised by them both is probably the best way. But it's a whaky world and it doesn't always work out that way. I think that most homosexuals are actually born that way. The reason that I asked you that question is because for a long time (and probably still) those against gay marriage or against gay couples either adopting or bringing up children is the fear that they will "teach" their children to be gay. It seems like a silly argument to me.
As far as specifically male homosexuals adopting children. .. . .the child in question, if he or she is already up for adoption, has already lost the chance of being brought up in a "normal" setting. Why deny the chance of being brought up in household of love?
Just because it's "weird" to you doesn't make it not right. This ain't no perfect world.
Oh, and not to get of track, but language actaully means a lot. Maybe you're just trying to stir up the hornets nest with the language you use when you say "fags", "queers", and "homos", but if not, it says much more about you and your mind-set and subconscious fears than it does about "them". It has absolutely nothing to do with being pc.
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Robb
Social climber
The other "Magic City on the Plains"
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:05am PT
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:05am PT
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you either love without judgment or you do not.
both are simply relying upon a literal reading of scripture, and saying it's the word of god and therefor... so yes, i do draw comparisons. perhaps not equivalences- but comparisons, yes indeed.
and btw, moderate christians lovingly and openly accept homosexuality.
who said you could co-opt the term "moderate"?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:06am PT
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Slayton, nothing is perfect, I know. I ;m talking about cultural normality.
Matt, I do not hate fags. I just like trad families. I think most peeps are with me on this.
How's yer daughter? Nice Christmas?
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:07am PT
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in terms of what is normal in our culture, i am much more worried about fast food that gay people with kids
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:12am PT
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"He and his husband . . . . "
That is just disgraceful, wrong and against the Peace and Dignity of the entire Western world.
We live in a patriarchal society, and proper grammar requires that the husband be mentioned first, then the other person.
I don't know what sort of editor allowed that to be published, but it should have read:
"His husband and he . . . . . "
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:17am PT
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So just exactly WHERE are these homosexual men going to GET those children??
Our organization rescues kids from red-neck Christian families in Missouri and Idaho and smuggles them on our underground railway to a safe haven in California. We try to find good gay homes for them, but it's not always easy. If you could make even a small financial contribution, it would be appreciated.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:20am PT
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Of course, some of the kids are sent to Canada.
Those that don't get eaten by wolves in Idaho on the way.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:22am PT
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I don't know what to say....
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:23am PT
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Rox: And you can't tell me Homosexuals won't try to raise little homosexuals
Why do you believe this? Is it even possible to "raise" a "little homosexual"?
And Blue. .. .. so what happens to those outside of the "cultural" norm? Are they not allowed to pursue a life of their choosing, kids and all? Eactly why is gay marriage wrong. EXACTLY to you. Exactly why is it wrong for gays to raise children? EXACTLY to you.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:25am PT
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...and then the little homophobic kids that may complain that they don't want to be in a "gay" household, well, in the interest of being entirely fair and humane in every way (while still not missing the chance to be ironic) are turned over to the catholic church.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:31am PT
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...and then the little homophobic kids that may complain that they don't want to be in a "gay" household, well, in the interest of being entirely fair and humane in every way (while still not missing the chance to be ironic) are turned over to the catholic church.
Well, I'd rather see them in 'other' schools first, but then I'm a bigot, so grain of salt there...
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:31am PT
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Hoh man. This is rich.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:31am PT
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I don't know what to say...
It's simple, really, and you don't have to say anything. Good people make good parents. Some of those good people practice one religion, some practice another, some don't have any use for religion. Some of those good people are straight, some are gay.
Same goes for the opposite. If you're a mean-spirited, abusive person, then you're likely going to be a bad parent regardless of whether you're a muslim, a christian, an atheist, a gay, a straight, or whatever.
The best way I can make this case is to ask this: Supposing you and your wife died and your little son had to be adopted. Would you rather he was adopted by a Christian couple even though they happened to be nasty and abusive? Or a gay couple who raised him with love and respect. And yes, the opposite applies just as well. I'm not saying that gays make better parents, but rather that they don't, by definition, make worse parents.
Love and respect are what matter. Not what your religion or sexual orientation is.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:32am PT
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Rich? No
Just another dumbshit stupid thread .....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:36am PT
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Ghost, you know what my answer would be, HOWEVER, you are starting to make ridiculous arguments to support your arguement. You are posing 'ifs' and whatever. You know how I feel.
I respect your thoughts too, however.
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