The Massive Ark on the Moon (very OT, but of high interest)

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Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Oct 13, 2010 - 05:46pm PT

like tom, i've had a hint of confirmation in the world i know of, in my case a childhood friend reportedly becoming an illuminatus. he had gone into the navy, served as an officer, and then apparently got the "call" to be an insider. it drove a real wedge between him and his brothers and involved bugging and helicopter buzzing of their rural home at the time of the supposed induction. these reports are all second-hand, but supposedly he told his family "the illuminati are good". if i get a little more footloose someday, i may look this mofo up and twist his arm in a dark alley.

don't know if there are any dan brown fans here, but i find his novels an interesting dance on the margins of all this material. like a moth, he spends more and more time in the flame. da vinci code, angels and demons, digital fortress, deception point. the thing that raised my eyebrows is that his next novel--guaranteed bestseller on the heels of the record-breaking da vinci code--has been suppressed, rewritten, and is now being released, six years late, under a different title to rather negative reviews. the subject? the masonic order. even healthy human greed is subject to being yanked by these puppet strings.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2010 - 06:56pm PT

Tony,

I've watched the movies. Scary stuff. I'm sure he dances around the truth and gets a little too close for many on the inside. Sure it is fiction, but there are some things that are not. Hidden truth wrapped in lies. Very interesting stories.

For everyone,

You know I do not mind talking about contraversial topics. Why not? What is there to be afraid of? If you don't believe any of it, ignore it and let it go. Let people wonder, ponder, and ask questions. No reason to get in their face and ridicule. No harm. No reason to get all bent out of shape. Let it go. Maybe they are just brainstorming publically trying to wrestle through big questions regarding their World view.

Now, many others have brought up contraversial topics on this thread. It hasn't been just me. You won't ever see me or hear me poking fun about it. It is OK to think outside the box. Clearly there are incredible things out there that we are just starting to come privy too and get close to understanding. Who knows what we will learn?

For me though, no matter what . . . I will always have my rock. I have my anchor. I have my hope. It gives me great comfort. I'm not afraid.

(As go-b posted in another thread, I'll post it here.)

Luke 21:25, “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves,26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Reality is truly wonderfully bizarre and I look forward to learning the truth of all matters.

bmacd

Trad climber

100% Canadian

Oct 13, 2010 - 07:01pm PT

2 more questions for Tom: Does Linda believe our conscious self to a distinct and separable entity from our physical bodies ? How is Linda being financed ?

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2010 - 07:10pm PT

Tom,

I have one question for Linda. Well ok a series of questions but all relevant to one theme. What does she think about the apparent Mothership on the backside of the Moon?

Does she think that it is real? That something could indeed be there?
And if so, has she heard about it from others perhaps some of her inside contacts? What is the scoop?

Does she not know, but wonders about it like we do?

Does she think that it is total bunk and complete disinfo?

I would like to know her opinion, one way or the other. Thanks.

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Oct 13, 2010 - 07:12pm PT

one problem with linda's scenario is lack of archaeological evidence. of course, you can always argue that the evidence is suppressed. but current anthropology has the human race evolving through a 6-million-year departure from our very close relatives, the chimpanzees. there are so many fossil hominids inbetween: taungs, australopithecines, neanderthals. and not much evidence of a superior race, a mere million years ahead of us, skyrocketing past everyone else with technology that breaks into ulterior dimensions and comes back basically to harrass and molest us lowly four-dimensional guinea pigs.

i'm afraid linda may be the victim of the kind of unschooled theorizing that involved bill cooper with jordan maxwell and also led to that notorious production, zeitgeist. hard science needs to appreciate some of the softer sciences when it ventures into this territory.

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:04pm PT

What does she think about the apparent Mothership on the backside of the Moon?

klimmer does your head hurt?

TomCochrane

Trad climber

I've lost track...

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:09pm PT

" Oct 13, 2010 - 04:01pm PT
2 more questions for Tom: Does Linda believe our conscious self to a distinct and separable entity from our physical bodies ? How is Linda being financed ? "

I haven't discussed either question with her recently, but I'm pretty sure she does believe our conscious self to be a distinct and separable entity from our physical bodies. I do believe this myself from direct personal experience.

Linda's finances have evolved over time and I certainly don't know all the details. As a young woman she was directly employed as an investigative TV reporter. Her 'Strange Harvest' shows were a hit and led to her receiving a great deal of unsolicited material.

This led to doing an HBO special on some of this material. Then during pre-production; two USAF officers approached her in uniform at her home and offered her the opportunity to be the spokesperson for releasing all the USAF information on UFOs; and they showed her a bunch of material that they were willing to have on the show. Linda was naturally very excited about this and went back to tell HBO about it. HBO got very excited and decided to turn it into a big prime time series. Then HBO contacted the two USAF officers at Kirtland AFB and were told that: yes, they knew and respected Linda's work; but had never talked to her directly. That killed the HBO deal completely (at the time).

Linda's response was to take all her best material and publish it in a high quality coffee table format book with pictures and documents. In that time period someone anonymously started sending her some of the same material that the USAF officers had showed her. She published it very quietly herself. Even the printer did not get to see the material she was printing. Then she sent copies to about a hundred close friends before anyone realized what she was doing. I took her out to dinner shortly after the books came off the press and heard the story and was given an autographed copy. She paid for this by mortgaging her house. The book was obviously a hit and I think has now gone through multiple printings.

She has become something of a star from all of this and is in great demand worldwide on talk shows and TV investigative reports, as a conference speaker, producer and writer; which all produce sources of income. She has become known within the black programs as a safe person to contact; as she is strictly honorable in keeping the trust of her sources. She is currently working on her fifth book in a series and also another of many documentaries. Although very popular in this country, she is even more so overseas.

She was even hired by Nelson Rockefeller to investigate the truth behind all the stories about his family (and no, I don't know how that turned out! There's a limit to how much material we can cover in our conversations...lol!)

Edit: Linda has told me about lots of unusual activity on the moon, including the Apollo 11 sightings before I knew Buzz. I don't begin to recall everything she's told me over the years. Get her books... Buzz is pretty touchy and I don't want to test my level of friendship with him. He is a devote Catholic and became an alcoholic after Apollo. So he won't touch anything that questions his credibility. If Linda told me about the great arc, I don't recall. Perhaps I'll ask her next time. Or perhaps she has found time to lurk here and will answer up.

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:10pm PT

try this klim,

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:17pm PT

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:25pm PT

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:33pm PT

whaddaya think, fellers, hawkeye = graniteclimber?

TomCochrane

Trad climber

I've lost track...

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:33pm PT

i'm very glad this is still fun for you...

cintune

climber

the Moon and Antarctica

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:36pm PT

Yep, it's a fun thread alright.

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:43pm PT

tony, i never met GC. did the aliens unleash him too? he must be form a different planet than i....perhaps i can communicate with him via alienbook...maybe i found another friend!

TomCochrane

Trad climber

I've lost track...

Oct 13, 2010 - 08:56pm PT

"one problem with linda's scenario is lack of archaeological evidence."

very good question and i don't know the answer to that. Perhaps because no bones left laying around?? but be careful when you say lack of archaeological evidence, because:

i also don't know the answers to Thor Heyerdahl's investigations of Easter Island in 'Aku Aku'

or the age of Sphinx

or how the advanced stone carvings of Gobekli Tepe were done 12,000 years ago without any known tools (prior to building the city and establishing agriculture) and then carefully buried to preserve it

or the detailed 40,000 year Hopi oral history

or why the Zuni language in New Mexico appears to have evolved from ancient Hebrew

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Oct 13, 2010 - 09:05pm PT

the bush era....

here klimmer, i bet the alines read this one...

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Oct 13, 2010 - 09:06pm PT

that's what they all say, hawk, but it's okay with me--all part of the fun here.

think about it for a minute, cintune. a lot of people believe in god, in jesus, mother mary and the whole bunch. all that stuff's generally kept in its place, which is basically church on sunday.

but jesus and mother mary come and go a lot, making all sorts of personal appearances, just like aliens. st. francis, st. anthony, st. margaret mary, st. catherine of siena, st. bernadette, to name just a few. then there's the whole business of stigmatism--if you want to read some creepy stuff, read up on padre pio. catholics grow up with this stuff, protestants get to stick to their bibles, hear about damnation, try to behave themselves. simple religion. bully for them.

if you go to that little town in yugoslavia, you got mary talking practically all the time to several people who say they see her, and nobody else does. they seem to have convinced a whole raft of faithful about it. my religious mom dragged my nonreligious dad there in the 80s and he came back saying he found the people very credible. the catholic church has a whole "science" devoted to this recurrent phenomenon, "maryology". for me, it's the same stuff that aliens are made of. not sure what it is, but it's not just imagination. some commentators say the lourdes experience was very much like group witnessing of ufos.

these events, however they're engendered, have powerful results. jehovah witnesses, seventh day adventists, all part of the scene in our western cities, supposedly got started through remarkable ufo-type events in the 19th century. i wouldn't be surprised if the same sort of thing happened to joseph smith. perhaps they come from human imagination, coupled with desire, perhaps there's something more to it.

cintune

climber

the Moon and Antarctica

Oct 13, 2010 - 09:19pm PT

Well, that was Carl Jung's take on the whole phenomenon anyway. Space aliens were just new and improved angels and devils, projections of our unconscious minds retooled to better suit the modern world.