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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Oct 11, 2010 - 03:35pm PT
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Werner said: graniteclimber
You're some kind of obsessive klimmer stalker. Pretty fuking weird .....
I concur.
From the government link above, they're probably taking about Granite Climber: While some segments of society will always be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather-modification, the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are ignored at our own peril
Tom, thanks for the addition of some interesting info to the discussion.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2010 - 06:00pm PT
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AC,
Ah there you go posting the iaea.org whitewash propaganda.
http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Features/DU/faq_depleted_uranium.shtml
I've taken courses from the American Nuclear Society at General Atomics for Educators using radioactive sources, geiger counters, and training in the physics of radioactive elements and isotopes. I have a collection of low level radioactive sources. But they can still be potentially dangerous if not handled correctly. I only handle them placed in a plastic bag, and when I'm done I make sure I wash my hands. Nor do I open the bag and inhale. Nor do I sleep with them under my pillow. They stay stored away from the students in a locked backroom and only I handle them for controlled demo purposes.
Yea, just tell that to the US tank soldier who gets rectal cancer from sitting on the wooden box crates in the tank holding DU tank rounds pointing at his buttox, or the Iraqi children now being born with many birth defects, or the children who have been unknowingly played around tanks that were hit with DU that were left to sit, and these children or their parents are dying from cancer due to DU exposure. International teams have gone up to these same tanks with geiger counters and the mr/hr or the C/M are at high dangerous counts.
Remember these radioactive oxides get airborn and breathed in, and come into the body through many other pathways (food, water, fingers in mouths etc.) The body doesn't get rid of these sources of radioactivity. The body accumulates it. Yes, outside the body, not so much of a problem. But inside, the body can not get rid of it, and you are continiously exposed to dangerous alpha, beta, and even gamma rays 24/7/365 for a lifetime.
Dang it all. You are gonna make me have to post all the evidence that refutes that Bull Dung.
I can even refute it with DoD internal studies.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 11, 2010 - 06:03pm PT
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Klimmer,
Need to take some ACH while eating or drinking.
http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/ach/ach.html
Do not think you will like this one but you will need it: Don’t be scared you can do it. Yes it is one of those/them.
Go to https://www.cia.gov/index.html hit library you will see Center for the Study of Intelligence: You should see CSI publications hit that, now you will see Books and Monographs, hit that: Download 2010 PDF on “Thinking and Writing: Cognitive Science and Intelligence Analysis” and same page go to 1999 and download PDF “Psychology of Intelligence Analysis” read Chapter 8 summarizes or tells you the steps that you will be doing for ACH. Read Chapter 14 as well.
Let one of your 5th graders help you on figuring it out, better yet give them this as a class project.
No conspiracy on technologies for solving energy. EU has being doing it for years. There is a Dutch company has thousands and thousands of publications on what is and being done from private, academia and government institutions in helping customers advance science and health by providing world-class information and innovative tools that help them make critical decisions, enhance productivity and improve outcomes.
Subscription is high S$$$$ but allows you to buy one paper on a given subject for knowledge for $
Tom:
Guess you would now about INDOEX
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 11, 2010 - 06:45pm PT
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Sigh, now chemtrails. Really, it gets kind of sad at a certain point.
Has there been various high altitude nuclear and WMD dispersal testing, particularly during the cold war? Sure. Have there been a litany of weather modification testing and attempts? Sure. Do we do endless aerial agricultural and pest spraying? Sure. Do we use depleted uranium in munitions? Sure.
Is there or has there ever been an organized program deliberately introducing any contaminants into military or commercial aviation fuel supply? Have military or commercial planes systematically modified on any widespread basis to add non-fuel tanks and a means to introduce chemicals into planes turbines?
Absolutely not. You folks are just out-of-control ridiculous. Just where is the NWO office for the global coordination of chemtrails (undoubtably Nephilim urine), ufo and sasquatch interdimensional arrivals and departures, and the management of miscellaneous evil god spawn?
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 11, 2010 - 06:48pm PT
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I thought the swine flu vaccines were supposed to kill everybody?
A year later, where are all the bodies?
If this is the best the supposed NWO/Illuminati can do, why are you so afraid?
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 11, 2010 - 06:54pm PT
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Just where is the NWO office for the global coordination of chemtrails (undoubtably Nephilim urine), ufo and sasquatch interdimensional arrivals and departures, and the management of miscellaneous evil god spawn? \
Why, are you looking for a job?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 11, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
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As part of their evil conspiracy, the NWO masterminds built a time machine and went back to 1943 (before global warming was discovered) to plant this misinformation in the March 1943 issue of Popular Science. Both the Nazi bomber and the American fighter are shown as leaving contrails.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 11, 2010 - 07:20pm PT
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Why, are you looking for a job?
No, I just figured they'd offer a better credit card rate than the other evil empires.
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jeff_m
climber
somewhere fairly insignificant
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Oct 11, 2010 - 07:35pm PT
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Over 200 posts and no one's stated the obvious yet?
Jet propellants and fuels have changed quite a bit over the years, most notably in all the additives that they now contain---and spew forth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
(Take a look at the Additives section, all kinds of scary goodness in there... Uh-oh---did someone say "biocides"?!)
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 11, 2010 - 08:05pm PT
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I don't question for a moment that the chemical residue left in contrails is toxic. Why would anyone scoff at that? Suck on a car exhaust pipe and then come talk to me.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Oct 12, 2010 - 01:12am PT
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jet fuel is basically kerosene. has gasoline changed? a bit, but the basic chemistry is the same. you'd like to think the changes would reduce pollution, not increase it.
granite's vapor trail artwork confirms my basic premise: vapor trails--contrails--are very temporary clouds. the air goes back to normal a short time after the plane passes through, the cloud disappears. never have clouds expanded and filled the skies the way they do recently. on a day that's busy with this stuff, every cloud in the sky bears the long, straight configuration of having been laid there by a plane--not a hint of nature to it. as i said before, this phenomenon is relatively recent--the last 15 years or so.
granite is showing us the way it used to be, and poorly understood as well, by whoever wrote it. the disturbance from the wingtips creates a pressure drop, not a temperature drop. dew point is a function of temperature, pressure and humidity. but whatever, as the writer says, you have to look hard to see it--it disappears quickly.
that's important. if vapor trails expanded and filled the skies simply because of high humidity, they would have been doing so when that was written--50 years ago, judging by the style of it. but you had to look hard for them. you don't any more.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 12, 2010 - 01:20am PT
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vapor trails--contrails--are very temporary clouds. the air goes back to normal a short time after the plane passes through, the cloud disappears. never have clouds expanded and filled the skies the way they do recently. on a day that's busy with this stuff, every cloud in the sky bears the long, straight configuration of having been laid there by a plane--not a hint of nature to it. as i said before, this phenomenon is relatively recent--the last 15 years or so.
Under the right conditions, the contrail "seeds" the growth of much larger clouds. It happens today and it happened 25-30 years ago. You either were not observant then or your memory isn't very good.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Oct 12, 2010 - 01:30am PT
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Do you go outside much, Tony? I ask because your insistence on "every cloud being a straight line", does not jibe with observed reality.
Reality....shivers
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:37am PT
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The various additives in jet fuel (basically kerosene / naphtha) are due to the fact a couple of hundred species of fungus and microbes grow in it causing both sludge and tank and fuel line corrosion. About a dozen species are highly problematic, doubly so since attempts to find anti-corrosion and anti-icing additives have often ended up just feeding the microbes and making the problem even worse. The various jet fuel additives are a tenuous balancing act and response to a problem everyone wishes simply didn't exist. People don't think of 'infections' as something machines get - but in this case it's a real hassle not to mention logistic and maintenance cost associated with operating modern aircraft.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Oct 12, 2010 - 09:38am PT
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i hope you go outside too, nick. every day isn't a chemtrail day. since it has become an underground issue, i've noticed we can go weeks without chemtrails, but they always seem to come back. i live in los angeles--sometimes it's exactly what i said--every cloud obviously laid in a straight line, expanding unaccountably. that's not "moisture propagation".
klimmer's already posted plenty of links. google chemtrails and see for yourself. if you haven't seen skies like this you don't go outdoors.
even if you don't "believe" in chemtrails, others on this thread have expressed some alarm at airplane pollution--even if it isn't the insidious plan of the new world order, then it's just a hell of a lot of traffic and global pollution, and no one talks about it--seems automobile pollution is the only environmental issue.
if you notice chemtrails in l.a., you will notice that they do NOT follow the approach lanes to LAX. another proof that they are not a natural product of air traffic.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 12, 2010 - 10:30am PT
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every day isn't a chemtrail day
finally, something to be happy about in this thread....
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 12, 2010 - 12:47pm PT
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Those aren't "separate nozzles", they're the flap-track hinge fairings - not exactly a mechanically friendly place to put hoses or nozzles.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 12, 2010 - 12:49pm PT
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That video is not real. Its been proven that those guys could not just be following that plane like that. and just chatting away like that.
It was copied from a gov video and voice overs were added.
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