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TomCochrane
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Oct 10, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
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I have been the project manager for dozens of US EPA projects for managing emergency responses and remediation at contaminated sites; including a national review of the document management systems for managing Superfund sites (CERCLA) at all ten US EPA regional offices. In the process I visited all ten regional offices at least twice.
Then I worked for several years in Alexandria VA in the US EPA Sample Management Office (SMO) as an employee of the prime contractor, Viar Inc.
I have some level of expertise in the National Hazard Ranking System (HRS). The basic idea is that there is a source of contamination at legally reportable levels, that has a pathway (either direct contact, or air, surface or subsurface water flow, or soil transport) that goes to a target (human environment or food supply or sensitive natural environments). Once a site scores on the HRS, it becomes part of the National Priority List (NPL)and the US EPA is responsible for managing response and remediation and cost recovery from principle responsible parties (PRPs)
At times my office was stacked from floor to ceiling with water quality sample management reports that I turned into 3D scientific visualizations for many contaminated Superfund sites; using a Silicon Graphics workstation running Dynamic Graphics software.
One of the first sites modeled this way was Yucca Mtn, NV. I am very aware of very high levels of contaminated substances across broad areas of the western (and other) states. However I have signed non-disclosure documents to not reveal specifics, as many of these cases are the subject of intense litigation against the principle responsible parties (PRPs).
Sample management and chain-of-custody management is a very rigorous process that has however been violated by some of the top labs, subjecting them to federal enforcement actions. They were caught by double-blind test submissions.
There is nothing wrong with private individuals submitting test materials to reputable labs; so long as they maintain clean sample management and chain-of-custody protocols.
It shouldn't come as a big surprise to anyone that there are high levels of contamination in our soil, air, water, and food supplies. There is abundant peer-reviewed literature on the subject. Anyone who questions this just hasn't been paying attention. So go do your homework. Pin pointing sources is another matter entirely. Many or most are non-point sources.
After some years working for EPA SMO, I was co-lead of a project to review US DOE sample management issues and visited many of the national labs. As I learned more about DOE issues, I became much less worried about EPA's challenges. Then I was assigned as systems integration manager applying scientific visualization techniques for a major DOE/DoD/EPA project (SERDP) to reduce end-of-pipe and spurious emissions from the weapons manufacturing programs.
Then I worked for US Fish and Wildlife Service and realized that many heavily contaminated sites were being designated as National Wildlife Refuges so that the maximally effected individuals would only visit and not live on site. I was responsible for computer mapping (GIS) large areas of the western states for natural habitat management purposes.
Then I moved over to working on NASA human space flight systems with the idea that we'd best figure out how to make a life support system work somewhere else, because we've sure messed up this planet!
You folks are lucky to have someone doing your homework for you; and you really should mind your manners better. It's interesting how uncomfortable information rattles the cages of so many people. It's not just a question of how much of the information is accurate. It's a question of how you personally evaluate the information made available to you. Ridicule and name-calling is not a workable information verification and validation technique.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 10, 2010 - 10:05pm PT
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As today is 10/10/10, in both the international and the US denotation, I was just wondering if that had any special significance to our alien friends? Shouldn't they be writing us a message in the sky today, or something of the sort? It can't just be coincidence that we're talking about them on a day of such obviously cosmic portent.
http://www.stonebrew.com/epic/Wcbfc1d45b2d88.htm
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 10, 2010 - 10:05pm PT
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General Chuck Yeager: Fear is a high-energy pep pill!
Dalai Lama: While people are often content to criticize and blame others for what goes wrong, surely we should at least attempt to put forward constructive ideas. One thing is for certain: given human beings' love of truth, justice, peace, and freedom, creating a better, more compassionate world is a genuine possibility. The potential is there.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 10, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
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Tom, you wrote,
You folks are lucky to have someone doing your homework for you; and you really should mind your manners better. It's interesting how uncomfortable information rattles the cages of so many people. It's not just a question of how much of the information is accurate. It's a question of how you personally evaluate the information made available to you. Ridicule and name-calling is not a workable information verification and validation technique.
It almost sounds as though you are saying that some of this info about chem trails might be true. Do you?
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WBraun
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Oct 10, 2010 - 10:33pm PT
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graniteclimber
You're some kind of obsessive klimmer stalker.
Pretty fuking weird .....
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Papillon Rendre
climber
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Oct 10, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
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Thank you for your post, Tom.
Yesterday was the first time I heard of Chemtrails.
After doing my own research on the net, I could not find enough supporting evidence for me to become a believer.
You're right about our planet. No one can deny that fact.
I seem to remember something about the American government spraying Agent Orange in Vietnam, but denying it.
I believe the government held firm, for a long time, stating Love Canal was not toxic....and, and, and...
Anything is possible.
For what it's worth,
-PR
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Oct 10, 2010 - 10:48pm PT
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We are not killing planet earth, we are killing ourselves,
planet earth is simply biding its time.
Becoming inhospitable to us,
is it's solution.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 10, 2010 - 11:04pm PT
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John Moosie, in response to your question: Obviously I think this issue is important and interesting. I do not have any direct information about it other than the following:
I have not personally viewed sample management data regarding the Mt Shasta area. I have climbed it a couple of times and visit the area periodically, regularly stopping for lunch at the Black Bear Diner. I recently flew right nearby Mt Shasta at 11,000 in my plane trailing the expected burn residue of 100LL Avgas. The mountain is a glorious sight. However it used to be all snow and ice above the tree line. It is pretty weird to realize you can now climb it without touching a snow slope.
I have been party to professional discussions at NASA regarding climate modification techniques. I know there are people thinking seriously on this subject. I am not aware of any implementations going beyond the discussion stage. The people that I know are very sensitive to environmental effects in the biosphere and would definitely not approve of something that generated wide-spread contaminants. However I can not speak for what some other organization might decide to do.
As a pilot and frequent flyer, I have personally observed the development over the years of a wide-spread brown layer in the atmosphere between 20,000-30,000 feet. Other pilots have also mentioned this to me. The worst area that I see is over the Los Angeles basin. You can see a great brown dome of contaminated air long before you are close enough to see the city.
One of my close friends at NASA Glenn in Cleveland is one of the world's experts on jet turbines, including the chemistry of their exhaust products. He is very concerned about environmental effects and has done a number of studies on jet fuel environmental effects, both officially and privately. I think that if jet fuel was being intentionally used to modify the albedo of the upper atmosphere that he would probably know about it. And I think if he knew about it, he would have made a point to tell me. I will ask him to look into it when I get a chance.
I know there are some people in government senior executive service who are not broad systems thinkers. For example I live in the Santa Cruz CA area and there has been a huge political backlash against wide-spread aerial spraying of the community, supposedly for the light-brown apple-moth. There have been news reports with claims of ill effects from the spraying. There are also a lot of factory farms in this area for artichokes, lettuce and strawberries; and I see helicopters spraying crops frequently. However we have lots of organic grocery stores locally.
Edit: I'll remind you that mountains create their own weather by forcing air up and cooling it below the dew point so that precipitation occurs. So a mountain is also in effect scrubbing out contaminates and concentrating them locally.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 11, 2010 - 12:23am PT
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Pretty fuking weird
Werner, you want weird? This is weird.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2010 - 03:15pm PT
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Tom and others who have responded without attack,
I really appreciate your input. The thing is these things do concern me. Do I know what is really going on? No. But I will listen. I look forward to this DVD being released. It looks like they have really done their homework. If it were not for the Michael Moore's of the World and the independant film artists and journalists we would not be hearing about any of this.
Corporate owned MSM will avoid contraversial topics that really matter like the plague.
We know what our government is capable of doing. That previous list I posted is just the tip of the iceberg.
Case in point, the use of Depleted Uranium. Even after the DoDs own research and scientists said do not do this, they went ahead and did it. They still use it. DU weapon systems abound. The fall-out wastes environments and peoples lives (both the enemy and our own soldiers), and with a half-life of 4.5 Billion years, it isn't going away. It is a War Crime that we use it. Yet this issue is so well known, and the US Government says nothing to it. They ignore it, or say it isn't a problem. Are you for real? Yet their own internal documents and research says the exact opposite, as well as independant research. It is a no brainer. We shouldn't be throwing highly radioactive oxides around throughout the environment. Duuuuuuuuuuuh.
I mean really, what is going on? It is like there is a monster at the controls of our Government and no one can pry it away from the controls. Anything goes. Shread the Constitution, shred The Bill of Rights, endless War on "Terror," pollute the environment, tank our economy and give our wealth away to the very rich, it is like they are out to destroy the United States and take the World down with it, and this is happening from the inside. No made-up outside terrorist threat can do what they have done to our Country from the inside. Jesse Ventura in his really good book, American Conspiracies, makes this point also. It is like they are deliberately destroying the US from the inside out.
And yet some sit-back and just say Conspiracy! and post-up silly images. Do you who ridicule care about anything? Anything at all? Or is it just fun and games?
I seriously wonder.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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I've looked at it for years. It is as bad as they say it is.
Don't make me have to post all those links. Just watch the DVD Beyond Treason.
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