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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Sep 17, 2010 - 11:52am PT
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re: the examiner article
"destabilize society"--hahahahaha. what society on earth is worth keeping "stable"?
lookit this way. either the morons in power are obsessed with their UFO masters or they're just obsessed with hanging onto their power at all costs. either way, they do one piss-poor job of running the world. all the threads on ST and every other blog forum are aghast at the things no one can do anything about, except those in power.
if i believed in god, i'd say, "let go, let god". but since god is, ergo, doing one piss poor job him, her or itself, one can only say, "let go, let the truth out, don't worry, be happy." get over the patronizing, trust-me, national security kick. you're not up to it. you're not the right stuff.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2010 - 03:05pm PT
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This was posted elsewhere, but it probably will mean more here. I think it flew over most in the other thread.
Now we just have to convince those in power to let it happen. I'm not sure they can. Stone cold dead hearts are hard to melt and get the truth into . . . It doesn't have to be this way. It could be better for everyone, but I don't think their lust for power, control, and wealth will not allow it.
From the other thread:
We have definite global problems that we have certainly induced. They are solvable if we have the fortitude and the political will to solve them.
We have the technology and knowledge to do it. We have solutions. We have a clean renewable energy resource, a massive Fusion reactor safely 93 million miles away, providing us (for the most part) limitless clean Solar energy aplenty.
We have abundant natural resources galore that we could safely tap into within our Solar neighborhood, if we just had the fortitude and the will to do it. What is holding us back?
The greed and power of a few.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 17, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2010 - 07:24pm PT
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We all do know that there is no "Dark Side of the Moon," right?
There is a farside and a nearside. The Moon is in geosyncronous orbit with the Earth. The Moon rotates on its axis once every revolution or orbit around Earth, therefore, we see only one side of the Moon as a result. All sides of the Moon get illuminated by the Sun.
Now I know Pink Floyd's all-time classic Album would not have the same allure if it was named "Far Side of the Moon." Just wouldn't sound right. Wouldn't have the same mystique.
Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon Documentary
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/entertainment/watch/v232601GZem9Hxb
I think PFs classic album should be re-released in Dolby 5.1 Surroundsound DVD or Blue Ray, and it should have a whole new imagery and video track of Apollo 20, the Mothership on the farside of the Moon, and Mona Lisa. This would be an alltime best seller again and again (didn't darkside already break record after record for album sales or something?). Very cool idea.
I think I'll phone up David Gilmore and Roger Waters right now and let them know what I think. This could bring them back together again to tour. Well, ok, that would be a miracle and I know most of you do not believe in miracles. However, it is a nice thought.
Looking forward to seeing Roger Waters in LA.
Edit:
By the way, the cartoon above is too funny. ;-)
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 18, 2010 - 01:04am PT
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I'm not finding anything credible here, TB, it helps me take the pulse of a segment of modern US culture
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 19, 2010 - 11:28am PT
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thanks, ed.
klim, let's talk about your photo. it looks suspiciously made in hollywood. cool bridge up there. can't you just see han solo and chewbacca hunkering down and taking off? cool ports arranged in two's so you can't argue that they're craters. that's the only reason they were put there.
"portholes coming, two by two." that's so all the animals can get in and out in pairs. damn, cute.
smart aliens would have built a much more sophisticated ark. this is an h.g. wells klunker. it has hoax written all over it.
klim, where do you fit into the following scenarios?
1. those who think we are all controlled by aliens who have our leaders pretty much under their control.
2. those who think there is some kind of negotiable relationship between our leaders and aliens. our leaders get technotidbits, which they use to control us, but then they have to make concessions, maybe send kids (not their own, of course) for scientific experiments. aliens seem to crave specimens. they used to just swoosh down and pick us off, but then the air force got involved, so now they have to bargain. i guess they never developed the technology to zap a pesky airplane. amazing that they could have made it all the way here from alpha centauri.
3. those who believe aliens represent a higher plane of consciousness and we'll have more and more contact with them as we become refined and "good enough". there are lots of #3 people in the truth movement, graduated from their new age academies, on their way to The Next Big Thing. they love crop circles. they think they're a manifestation of this higher consciousness. looking at some of the crop circle art, i'm inclined to think it comes from the needlepoint department at michael's.
4. the ones who've had flying saucer rides, had their bodies experimented on, perhaps subjected to indignities, perhaps befriending the alleged aliens. they walk among us and live in a different universe. john keel reports on a few cases. you can meet some by knocking on doors around joshua tree.
until you get your flying saucer ride, klim, i see you trying to work a combination of #2 and #3, trying to have your cake and eat it too. lookit, either these sumbitches are weasley, controlling, unscrupulous liars, manipulating a cabal of cynical, corrupt world leaders, or they are cosmic angels, here to introduce us to TNBT. you can't have it both ways.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Sep 19, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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People are obsessive about holding onto a comfortable view of reality even in the face of abundant evidence that their comfortable view is probably wrong or at least dramatically incomplete. You don't have to look very far to learn that reality outside our relatively comfortable little bubble is not accommodating for little biological critters like us. Climbers, of all people, should be understanding of this as we nibble on the edges of survivable environments in our sport. This thread is interesting as an illustration of how we have very much to learn; and yet how one of the major barriers to learning is people who don't recognize the limits of their knowledge, expending their energy ridiculing the attempts of others to learn.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2010 - 09:39am PT
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klim, where do you fit into the following scenarios?
1. those who think we are all controlled by aliens who have our leaders pretty much under their control.
2. those who think there is some kind of negotiable relationship between our leaders and aliens. our leaders get technotidbits, which they use to control us, but then they have to make concessions, maybe send kids (not their own, of course) for scientific experiments. aliens seem to crave specimens. they used to just swoosh down and pick us off, but then the air force got involved, so now they have to bargain. i guess they never developed the technology to zap a pesky airplane. amazing that they could have made it all the way here from alpha centauri.
3. those who believe aliens represent a higher plane of consciousness and we'll have more and more contact with them as we become refined and "good enough". there are lots of #3 people in the truth movement, graduated from their new age academies, on their way to The Next Big Thing. they love crop circles. they think they're a manifestation of this higher consciousness. looking at some of the crop circle art, i'm inclined to think it comes from the needlepoint department at michael's.
4. the ones who've had flying saucer rides, had their bodies experimented on, perhaps subjected to indignities, perhaps befriending the alleged aliens. they walk among us and live in a different universe. john keel reports on a few cases. you can meet some by knocking on doors around joshua tree.
until you get your flying saucer ride, klim, i see you trying to work a combination of #2 and #3, trying to have your cake and eat it too. lookit, either these sumbitches are weasley, controlling, unscrupulous liars, manipulating a cabal of cynical, corrupt world leaders, or they are cosmic angels, here to introduce us to TNBT. you can't have it both ways.
TB,
I disagree. The massive "Mothership" on the Moon is not a Klunker. It is crashed, and now in ruins. If you read the interviews with "retiredafb", CDR William Rutledge, he relates how old they think it is, from the number of impact craters on its surface (that is how we approximate age of terrestrial planet surfaces remotely -- by crater counts). They also talk about landing gears, wreckage strewn around the craft (gold foil like glimmering pieces on the surface of the Moon surrounding it, and that it looks like it was in a battle. They seem to think it was trying to leave quickly when it was probably attacked. You have to read all the interviews. I find them incredibly interesting.
I called it an Ark becuase on another thread at the time we were talking about Noah's Ark. I called it that to get a "rise" out of a few and spark interest. If it is indeed a ship, at this grand scale then it is designed to hold a tremendous amount of matter, living and non-living. Ark isn't so far from the truth.
This is a composite image of the craft from the apparent video from the Apollo 20 overfly, put together by Rami, an Isreali artist who was working with Luca from near the beginning that the story broke back in April of 2007. When you watch these films the dialogue between CDR William Rutledge, Leonov, and Vandenburg AFB is indicated below in the film:
I would like to get into your specific questions but I'm running out of time this morning. I will get back later. Good questions and observations. But much of what I think is very well spoken by this PhD and a few others like him who say the same thing. This is from a Christian point of view . . . On number #2 you are the closest I thnk. I know how I would like things to work out, but the greed, the dark cold dead hearts of those in power, themselves manipulated by the Father of Lies will not allow it. The deceivers are themselves deceived.
UFORNA News:
http://www.ufoforhumanrights.com/in-the-news.php
The Upcoming Great Deception
by Stephen Yulish PhD
Posted 13:09 December 15, 2006
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1206/deception.html
Extraterrestrials Tremble at the Name of Jesus
by Stephen Yulish PhD
"There is no neutral ground in the universe. Every square inch, every split second is claimed by God and countered claimed by Satan"
C.S. Lewis
Posted 14:30 March 29, 2007
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0307/tremble.html
There WILL be an 'upcoming unambiguous appearance of UFOs over U.S. cities' at the Rapture,
article written in Summer 2010???
by Stephen Yulish PhD
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0408/rapture-ufos3.html
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 20, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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the burning question for the christian is: did these folks get saved by a divine incarnation back home on their own planet? will that mean we're gonna have to have a holy quadruplity now?
you fellas ever heard of svali?
please, with the phd's. i've known so many of them. "knowing more and more about less and less." and, like lawyers, desperate for employment these days.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Sep 20, 2010 - 01:35pm PT
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Why would any advanced culture build the bridge on the outer hull of the ship? It's a hold-over from Star Trek and completely stupid. It would be like trying to stick the bridge of a modern submarine in the tower instead of in the center of the ship as far away from dangerous stuff as possible.
It's not even a very good hoax because people who make this stuff are almost as dumb as the people who fall for it.
I'm all for their being alien life and have no reason to think that we are the only "intelligent" life in the universe. I'm just not going to think that they build stuff like we do on Star Trek.
Dave
P.S. And for heavens sake, aliens, if your gonna experiment with cows, can you throw the bodies out in space or disintegrate them instead of leaving them in their own pastures? It's gross to leave that stuff just laying around like that.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Sep 20, 2010 - 02:37pm PT
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"Why would any advanced culture build the bridge on the outer hull of the ship?"--rectorsquid
Who says that the feature in the "photo" is necessarily the craft's bridge?
...could very well be the bottom of the "ship" and the protrusion is the cargo door.
Or is could just be the artist's rendering...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 20, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
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whats scary is that this thread was probably developed without the aid of psychotic drugs....
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 20, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
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yea, rectorsquid articulated what i was trying to say.
listen up, klimmer and rokjox, both of you guys. do you know these lines?
"i see buildings. i see water."
same kinda stuff, cooked up for a believing audience. i think you have to learn to smell things through a little more thoroughly. you are NOT going to get the chance to nail this evidence down by investigation.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Sep 20, 2010 - 06:36pm PT
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i see frogs..
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 20, 2010 - 10:28pm PT
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2010 - 09:49am PT
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Big break through for me.
I made B&W stereograms from the offical Apollo 15 images years ago, and then someone came along and put them into Red/Blue 3D :-)) ; but now I have made stereograms from the official apollo 17 images :-)) and from the "Apollo 20" images :-)) :-))
I made computer on screen B&W stereograms from those images and the detail is pretty amazing! Full on 3D and the detail that is popping out as a result is incredible.
I'm also now going to try to make color sterograms from the video overfly from Apollo 20, since the video was shot in color.
This technique is not hard to do. Any images that significantly overlap from roughly near the same perspective can be used. This proves that the object is real. You can not fake 3D unless you make a perfect 3D model and then shoot the entire scene like they would do in Hollywood ($$$).
My comparisons between the official Apollo 15 and Apollo 17 images and those from "Apollo 20" so far is proving that they are indeed from the Moon. There are just too many perfect alignments in terms of objects, scale, position, angles, etc. etc. It would take a life-time to replicate a perfectly scaled model with no mistakes to do this. I think the images from Apollo 20 are indeed real. The B&W 3D steregrams are incredible. You can't fake this.
I will post a series of B&W stereograms when I have looked through them all and perfected them. You will need a stereoscope to view them.
Edit:
Here is a great resource for stereoscopes . . .
http://ascscientific.com/stereos.html
I have the Sokkia Pocket Stereoscope.
This stereoscope looks affordable and useable for many applications. I think I'm going to purchase this for my use . . .
The PokeScopeŽ 3D Viewer
A Modern Stereoscope
and Stereoscopic Software
http://www.pokescope.com/
"The PokeScope is a revolutionary stereographic image viewer that employs prisms, rather than lenses, and "full masking windows" around each stereo image to allow viewing of all types printed or computer displayed stereo images. The PokeScope is held up to your eyes and images are generally viewed from a distance of 1.5 - 2 feet. Images can be viewed from a wide range of angles and precise image alignment is not as critical as with other stereoscopes."
I'm aware some people have a difficult time viewing in 3D. Some can not at all. However, most people can. Hours of 3D viewing will give you a headache. Hazard of the profession. Be careful.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2010 - 01:28am PT
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Here come the stereograms: B&W and Color
You have to use a handheld stereoscope to view (see above post for stereoscopes and links). Also you can view all of these stereograms on your computer screen. Use the Ctrl with the scroll button on mouse to zoom in and out to get the scale perfect for your use.
Official NASA Apollo 15 images (B&W Stereogram):
"Apollo 20" Flyover (B&W Stereopair); compare features to the above official stereopair. Same features, different sun angle and shadow patterns. As far as I can tell from close comparisons it is the same exact Moon as above, and the same exact massive "Mothership" anomaly.
The following color images are from Apollo 20 flyover using the TV camera shot through the LEM window. Guidance markings are on the glass.
Apollo 20 TV/video flyover images: You can not fake these and get the Lunar terrain perfect to match official NASA Apollo images that have already flown this Lunar terrain over several Apollo missions (Apollo 15 and 17 at least, see above). Since the massive Mothership is in 3D in all of these images it is either real, or it is a massive perfect model set that was constructed at large scale and great expense, and shot with TV/video. The color is real. There are many sources that show the Lunar surface is really colorful rather than bleach white/grey as NASA often portrays the Lunar surface. See below.
What is the true color of the Moon?
What is Moonwalker Astronaut Alan Bean trying to tell us with his colorful Lunar art?
http://www.alanbeangallery.com/room12.html
http://www.alanbeangallery.com/room10.html
http://www.alanbeangallery.com/roomFirstMen.html
http://www.alanbeangallery.com/room05.html
http://www.alanbeangallery.com/room07.html
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 01:44am PT
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A NASA satellite took a secret x-ray image of Klimmer's brain from orbit and this is what it saw.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Sep 23, 2010 - 01:53am PT
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Why is this thread still going?
I'm taking my telescope out into the street tonight and Gonna open a cold one (Salute our lost buddy Juan de Feuco) look at the planets and listen to the "Street Vibrations" fools driving into town.
Ship on the Moon ....There's a ship in my Arse also, should I take pictures when it comes into port Tomorrow morning? And everyone can discuss whether "Aliens" put it there or Knott. Hey I'll take the Alien Anal death probe as quick as the next guy, but at some point we have to take a deep breath and get down to "Earth". Remember?
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