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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 24, 2010 - 06:02pm PT
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remember anthrax? what ever happened....?
Conveniently, one week after 9/11 the anthrax in an envelop attacks began, taking eyes off of 9/11, expanding the sense of fear across the nation, and contributing to the rushing through of the Patriot Act within a month.
This guy, (see link to audio interview below) attorney Barry Kissin, (author of "The Truth About Anthrax Attacks and Its Cover-up" ) sees it as one more, and an even MORE transparent, attack by US insiders. Builds a good case in my judgement.
Oh, and if you haven't been paying attention; the strand of anthrax used DID come from US bio-warfare labs, and the suicided research scientist who the FBI wants you to believe carried out the attacks? Amongst other holes in that theory, he never had access to powdered and weaponized versions of Anthrax. He only worked with a lower grade liquid form. The FBI concludes he "weaponized" it his basement. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.
http://kpfa.org/archive/id/59639
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reddirt
climber
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Mar 24, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
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off the top of my head, the researcher from Ft Dietrich that ended up committing suicide was confirmed to be guilty after a long investigation. He was also a stalker etc etc etc
Not sure how far Human Genome Sciences has gotten w/ AbThrax vax... still in the pipeline, I think.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 24, 2010 - 06:17pm PT
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Yep. I remember.
Don't we all remember the Bush Administration taking the vaccine for Anthrax exposure, including Darth Cheney?
Didn't they take the vaccine before the Anthrax attacks? I'm remembering that. Perhaps I'm wrong and remembering that incorrectly? Anyone?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 24, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
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Klimmer-
I think you are remembering correctly as the original anthrax threat was thought to come from Saddam Hussein (weapons of mass destruction?!) and our troops were being very reluctantly innoculated against it. Some soldiers opted for prison time rather than take it. They did this because it was thought by many that Gulf War syndrome was the result of shots against nerve gas that were given, perhaps in combination with others.
Our officials took the shots to reassure the troops that they were safe. In the end, it turned out it was the sarin gas some of our troops were exposed to which caused their problems. That gas was released if you remember, by a lower ranking army officer who ordered a whole dump of Iraqi chemicals whose composition he did not know, to be blown up with our troops very near by. He obviously hadn't taken even high school chemistry. A typical fog of war mistake.
Anthrax vaccines then proceded. I know from anecdotal evidence of thousands of people who have had them with no ill effects.
The anthrax in the mailbox may or may not have been the work of the scientist who was fingered. I would rather guess it was some lone wolf patriot/sicko who wanted to make a point rather than a government conspiracy. The government after all, had plenty of other things to worry about. Mostly those in the military community just laugh at conspiracy theories as they know that even the best laid plans frequently get screwed up and it would be amazing if a branch of our government was both together enough and secretive enough to pull off even a tiny percentage of what it is credited with by some.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2010 - 12:36pm PT
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Do you ever feel slighted by your community of friends when your post drops like a rock to the third page. Ahhh. The agony of self doubt.
but I'm not going to let Stealy Dan and ZZ Top oust me.
This is the real sh#t. bump
lol
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 25, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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Damn .....
Dr F nails it ..........
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 12:40pm PT
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I thought anthrax was a really bad heavy metal band?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Mar 25, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
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Just keep your resistance up...
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Mar 25, 2010 - 01:17pm PT
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The kid doesn't know about the Swine Flu?
reddirt - I always have suspicions, but even more so with the government these days. Why don't you do some research instead of just parroting the government rumor line? The guy "allegedly" but conveniently committed suicide many years after someone committed the crime - all the easier to pin all the blame on him via rumor, innuendo and false news story plants. Yet they couldn't do it all those many years he was alive?
WTF? Please.
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reddirt
climber
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Mar 25, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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reddirt ... Why don't you do some research instead of just parroting the government rumor line?
-b/c there's more interesting topics to research.
-b/c I'm more interested in the vaccine... and would be more interested in conspiracies related to it's development.
-b/c it's readily treatable, unlike something like rabies.
-b/c while the stalking thing may be a red herring to whatever central conspiracy that may or may not exist, it is a worthy set of facts in the whole equation.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Mar 25, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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we voted shrub and the devil out of office and thus the office of the presidency switched gears away from scare tactics.....
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Mar 25, 2010 - 03:24pm PT
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this is a perfect example of just how far the right will go in their efforts to protect "us"...
just like looking for WMD, and fighting a war on a "feeling" of terror....
all these changes/laws/acts made for a better/safer life in the Bush years (funny.. my memory is that I was never safe in the Bush years....)
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 25, 2010 - 03:25pm PT
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Actually the shrub left because he was term limited. When given the option we voted to keep him in office and then reality came crashing down very shortly after that and people realized what a horrible, horrible mistake they made.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 25, 2010 - 03:53pm PT
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Please, Please read Rokjox's post.
It's incredible what goes down in this country with everyone going to sleep about it and never giving it a second thought.
Meanwhile the right wing is going nuts about the crime of health insurance reform.
Sheep Baa baa
Peace
Karl
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 25, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
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Rokjox,
You are absolutely right about this. Spot on. Could you share some links for the research you have done on this? I would like to read the articles. Thanks.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Mar 25, 2010 - 04:03pm PT
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whoa... rox.....
nice rant.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 25, 2010 - 08:50pm PT
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Rox
I look at your posts and see a lot of facts and logic that can't be easily dismissed except by denial or by writing you off as somebody not to listen to.
Don't take it personal. It's other people's projection of their fears.
Peace
Karl
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Mr_T
Trad climber
The 7th Pin Scar on Serentiy Crack
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Mar 25, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 25, 2010 - 10:25pm PT
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I don't deny that Cheney and company could have concocted such a scheme to scare the public. It would be totally in keeping with their views of grabbing and maintaining power.
However, I have worked around the U.S. military for 30 years now and I know government bureaucracies are not nearly as efficient and careful as they should be. Remember the scandal at Los Alamos, supposedly one of our most secure installations where they discovered whole computers missing? Most were found to have been taken home by workaholic scientists to do more overtime at home although that is strictly against security protocols. Many remain unaccounted for. Under pressure to get someone, an innocent Chinese-American was framed and later acquitted.
There is also something called the need to know. The people who make anthrax are going to say as little as possible about the safeguards in place or they are going to plant disinformation so that the public and other employees aren't given specific directions as to how to do end runs around the system. One of the pet peeves of security experts is how thoughtlessly the media makes certain things public. Remember when they were announcing what house numbers on what streets Saddam's scuds were hitting in Tel Aviv until frantic military experts told them they were just helping the Iraqis calibrate their weapon sites?
Personally I think it will be more effective for U.S. citizens to protest the Bush administration's power grabs on the basis of the U.S. Constitution than of a conspiracy theory that cannot be proved until the official secrets restrictions expire in 60 years.
But it is fun speculating.
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