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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 03:54am PT
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simmer down...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 18, 2010 - 04:06am PT
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There are plenty of jesus threads and damn few acid ones, let's not go mucking it up now...
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Mar 18, 2010 - 04:15am PT
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I'll check back in after summer tour.
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tradchick
Trad climber
Vermont
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Mar 18, 2010 - 07:34am PT
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I took anything I could get my hands on for a few years when I was in high school in the mid 70's. Mostly acid, supplemented with mushrooms, peyote, mescaline....at least 2 or 3 times a week.
We'd go out and just walk around and watch buildings melt etc.
Used to sit in 3rd year french lab, mesmerized by the woodgrain in the desk.
Remember trying to sit down with the fam for dinner and my food crawling off my plate. My parents were clueless.
Had 1 bad trip when I was 17, saw hideous things, never touched the stuff again.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Mar 18, 2010 - 08:55am PT
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i have a piece of shite ol truck that i adore and roll proudly.
i've used it for scaffolding, bike jumps, heavy equipment, a crane, and other burdensome activities.
she shows wear for the better.
a some point the hood got caved in and crinkled from scampering feet.
the funniest thing now happens, though.
when i arrive at my destination, and turn off the engine,
within 30 seconds, my hood reacts to the differential change in heat above and below it, and in doing so issues this most serene 'gong' type sound. every time i kill the engine.
i swear that all the dents around the hood tuned this special noise to perfection.
once i showed up to a party, and all the hoooligans were milling about a fire, in silence beneath the stars. i pulled into the vicinity, turned off the engine, and waited for her song.
the next moments, supertopo, you'll have to author for me.
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Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
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Mar 18, 2010 - 10:00am PT
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I saw 372 Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia Band shows between '85 and '95.
I held you in higher regard. When we meet, please don't ever schubby in my presence.
Prod.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
Green Cove slabbage BITD!
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Mar 18, 2010 - 11:13am PT
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Dock Ellis is the MAN!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 18, 2010 - 11:14am PT
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"I haven't done TONS of acid thank God, just enough to come close to seeing God on several occasions."
More like you came close to seeing Satan.
Have seen both,
and know the difference.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 11:58am PT
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"Those who'd received LSD, in utter darkness and stillness, experienced relatively little."
John Lilly, in his book "Center of the Cyclone: Looking Into Inner Space" describes his consciousness research using LSD in isolation tanks, and a LOT happened. Fascinating read.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 18, 2010 - 12:46pm PT
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In the 60's and 70's to my knowledge none of my climbing friends were into it either. Definitely not seriously. One climber who was just really enjoyable to be around had tried acid for a time but had quit cold. He said the stuff is bad. He said using it started to do damage.
I have not followed this field over the years. But it increasingly appears he may have been right.
I'm sure you would be more circumspect in your offerings on a subject less taboo or where you were aware of what you don't know.
The inventor of LSD recently died, after hundreds of trips, at over 100 years old. His son had died long earlier in his early 50s from alcoholism. There is no fatal known dose of LSD. It is not physiologically addictive and not known to be psychologically addictive either. Studies showing it could be a miracle treatment for certain psychological challenges like alcoholism were shut down by the government.
If you research the proven physiological/neurological damage caused by LSD, you'll find almost nothing...nothing! Most the pills in your medicine chest are worse.
Problem is, LSD opens the doors inside that our twisted psyches are afraid to peer within. That can spook you and our weak minds misinterpret what we find. It's one of the most powerful drugs ever discovered and yet people think to experiment at a party or something. You can drink a glass of wine in church or a bottle in the gutter.
It's not for that. It's a tool for knowing what is inside you and dissecting your illusions. (not creating new ones)
Peace
Karl
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Robb
Social climber
The Greeley Triangle
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
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Not to drift too much, but since we're on the vitamin L topic I am curious about the following:
How many trips have you taken?
What was your favorite type; blotter, barrel, window pane,etc?
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Outside
Trad climber
Truckee
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:12pm PT
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Karl Said:
"If you research the proven physiological/neurological damage caused by LSD, you'll find almost nothing...nothing! Most the pills in your medicine chest are worse"
Haha....what a bunch of BS....no offense Karl...this is absurd!
It's all about the dose not the drug.
Ask any of the Deadheads like me who have numerous friends that are permanently messed up from too much LSD...too many shrooms...
Toxicology is all about the "Dose" no pun intended...
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Josh Higgins
Trad climber
San Diego
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:17pm PT
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I just lead the Acid Crack on preplaced gear in Joshua Tree last Sunday. Bitchin line with some truly amazing movement. Now I need to clean it up and do it while placing gear. That's the closest to Acid I've ever come.
Josh
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:39pm PT
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The first time I saw, "A Clockwork Orange," I was dosing. Hoh Man! The first time I saw, "Star Wars," ditto. As I was coming out of the the theater, my buddy tossed a frisbee up in the air and it was coming down right for my head. I didn't see it and at the last second after he yelled, I turned and caught it inches from my face and calmly said, "Use the force, Luke." We laughed for what seems an hour, but probably at least a solid five minutes or two.
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Outside
Trad climber
Truckee
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:57pm PT
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"Were your "Friends" ONLY taking LSD during those concerts???...
Or were OTHER drugs or ETOH involved???...
Also...
Karl was speaking SPECIFICALLY about LSD...
I NOTICE in the ABOVE that you also include "SHROOMS"...
Sort of makes YOUR FRIENDS "Experiments" NOT VALID..."
Both.....One friend was just on mushies for an extended period of time...he's gone....never will recover..
2 or 3 other people I know just LSD.....they are also messed up mentally and they will tell you that it sucks because they can't think right anymore...
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:59pm PT
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Haoma, ergot, wine, acid, peyote, mushrooms, sensory deprivation even fasting, religious experience seems to tease psychosis in its effort to find "god."
It's an interesting relationship.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 18, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
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"If you research the proven physiological/neurological damage caused by LSD, you'll find almost nothing...nothing! Most the pills in your medicine chest are worse"
Haha....what a bunch of BS....no offense Karl...this is absurd!
It's all about the dose not the drug.
Ask any of the Deadheads like me who have numerous friends that are permanently messed up from too much LSD...too many shrooms...
Toxicology is all about the "Dose" no pun intended...
You can say "absurd" or "BS" all you like but give me a credible link that points to any significant physiological or neurological damage seriously linked to LSD. Should be easy. The CIA and the military studied it and people have been using it for many years.
There are plenty of messed up people who have tried and not tried everything. Most of us are messed up and don't know. Some took LSD and now they know! That's another matter, much like not letting 11 year olds get married or have sex. It's not for everyone.
Peace
Karl
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
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You want to talk scary, then mention Jimsonweed or Datura. I met a guy years ago that told me he and two friends tried it. One died, the other was institutionalized for years and this dude probably should have been also.
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Quasimodo
Trad climber
CA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
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I used LSD about twenty times in the late 70s. I thought LSD would answer many nagging questions; Who I am I? What is my purpose in life? What is true spirituality? What is reality?
Finally, one fine day I took about 6 times the normal dose. I had an out-of-body experience that seemed to mimic the death experince. I was surprised that the feeling was "warm" and appealing.
I quit after that experience realizing it was a complete dead end. I found that looking inward created isolation. I felt alone and miserable doing drugs.
For me connecting with people makes life fulfilling. Looking inward just creates despair.
John Lilly did some studies that showed the same LSD effects in an isolation tank. The isolation tank experince does not require two days to feel normal again.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Mar 18, 2010 - 04:17pm PT
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In Joshua Tree a few years ago, someone told me that BITD people would be tripping on stuff, and this was also the time of the Carlos Castenada book popularity(I tried to read it; couldn't keep interested. Same with the Trilogy of the Rings). But I did read the Lilly book mentioned above - I was fascinated with the sensory deprivation tanks. Would love to try it out someday(without acid).
Anyway - so this guy tells me that BITD, there was some bit in the Castenada story about being able to run at superfast speed and actually go "through" solid objects, and that the Stoners would be tripping and decide to try this running. So they'd take off as fast as possible, running through HV and all would be great for a bit and then....SMACK! Harpooned by a Yucca. hahahahah
This story was told to me as we were headed back from my first(and so far only) Chasm of Doom voyage. We got back to HVCG and stopped at one of the campsites to continue talking and partying, but after a while I was over that, since I don't drink and everyone else was definitely do so.
So, I headed back to my own campsite by myself. Suddenly, out of the corner of my eye, I caught a flash of energy. I am NOT lying! Someone was running through the middle of the big loop of HVCG at warp speed. Just like the story I had just been told.
And they didn't hit a yucca.
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