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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 12:27pm PT
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That's a butte! Sure is. Gotta move it, though, the railroads a comin' right now!
Too funny, Jaybro!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 23, 2009 - 12:29pm PT
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I believe that IS a forest pin bin, haven't seen one in years!
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Nov 23, 2009 - 12:38pm PT
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Cool to find out what it actually was/is called...pretty funky!
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jiimmy
Boulder climber
san diego
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Nov 23, 2009 - 03:02pm PT
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what did the poor chicken do to you?
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Nov 23, 2009 - 03:36pm PT
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Nice Pin Bin... here's a couple old examples...padded and unpadded...
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 23, 2009 - 04:04pm PT
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Bill Forrest was a really creative inventing things in the early 70s. Not all of them (like Pin Bins) caught on, but others (like sewn leg loops, aiders, copperheads, tough haul bags, fiberglass tool handles ...) looked like great ideas, and well executed, when he first brought them out.
The concept behind the Pin Bins was that they could hold more pitons than a biner, with easier access. If you've climbed with a piton rack, you know what a thorn-tree they become as you add more than three or four pins per biner. Bill had thought of a way around that, but it was too uni-functional (I guess) to appeal to most wall climbers.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 23, 2009 - 04:06pm PT
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So this is way back in fog country, but I think Forrest had an earlier version of the Pin Bin with a simple spring opening -- the offset-piston opening in TK's photo above was a second-generation refinement.
Problem with the spring version was that if it caught the wrong way, all the pins on that bin could fall out.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 23, 2009 - 04:19pm PT
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Shrapnel!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Nov 23, 2009 - 04:25pm PT
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Never seen one with a spring clip (assume you mean like a biner gate)... here's a couple shots of the one I have...
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 23, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
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Steelmonkey's are definitely 2nd-gen. The first ones I'm recalling (vaguely) were simpler than a biner -- just a single bent piece of steel, thinning on one side at the opening so you could snap pitons in or out.
They had the same general shape as Steelmonkey's, though.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 09:10pm PT
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Here is an action shot of the third generation Pinbin taken on the summit of Baboquivari Peak after doing the Spring Route, a Bill Forrest and George Hurley adventure and my first big wall. I just went digging and couldn't find it for show and tell. Tightly sewn slots for the individual Pinbins and thick rubber stop washers solved the grommet flopping problems of the earlier models.
Brilliant concept as far as freeing up all of your carabiners and saving weight but any thrashing around in the inevitable tight corner or chimney and the gear would proceed to rain down!
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 23, 2009 - 09:24pm PT
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Used 'em on the FA of Forrest-Walker, didn't he?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Nov 23, 2009 - 09:33pm PT
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Steve Grossman, Mimi......your Dude is a cutey pie....hehehe. Did you know him back then ? lynnie
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 23, 2009 - 10:02pm PT
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mid '70's; Forrest; I still have mine; hippy flowery decor with hunk of 8 mill stitched in for the clip part. More or less like the one posted up thread.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 10:03pm PT
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Lynne- We were both jailbait and she was still a freshie in highschool back when that one was taken. LOL
Let's see if you can spot the Pinbins?
From Climb.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 23, 2009 - 10:09pm PT
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You just don't get content this cool anywhere else this side of the wide fetish!
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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Nov 23, 2009 - 11:12pm PT
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this is the coolest stuff in a long time.
neat to know Dolt did the first padded
number on a gear sling - pin bins had
advocates, as Steve points out, and I
always thought the colorful "guitar
strap" effect on the regular Forrest
slings was pretty great too.
Bill Forrest was quite the creative force*,
and showed an uncanny eye for using
certain materials, and for some concepts
that were way advanced.
I still think of him as being, for the most
part, the father of the modern climbing
harness - in terms of its essential configuration,
then refined with the now standard "front loop"
when Petzl introduced the Jump harness, with its
then radical tubular webbing produced on computerized
Jaccard looms.
I cut up a Jump harness and sent swatches of the Petzl
webbing out to some major U.S. textile mills, they had
no idea what it was, or how it was done - it blew their
doors off! Pretty funny.
way cool everyone - thanks for posting.
*edit - as mentioned by Chiloe upthread :-)
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Nov 24, 2009 - 09:58am PT
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awesome stuff, thanks for the info y'all!
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hooblie
climber
sounding out stuff , in the manner of crickets
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Nov 24, 2009 - 10:17am PT
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when oriented properly, the shape of the pin bin provided a flat side on top which was angled back enough so that when removing one of the middle pitons, the upper ones, which would normally be cascading down to complicate the action at the gate,
would rest in a stable fashion up on top
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Nov 24, 2009 - 10:22am PT
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yeah, looks like mine is all flipped around, haven't tried it out...been sitting around in the gear closet...I was mainly after the tube chocks...
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