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MisterE
Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 22, 2009 - 10:13pm PT
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I actually think Malibu's closure would benefit climbers - the parking area is closed, and not many picnic-ers would be willing to ford the "hill" would be a guess.
No public toilets or trash receptacles would increase litter - and more vandalism.
Homeless people would probably move in, as well as ATVers and dirt-bikers...maybe scaring off the equestrians on weekends...
Mugu (for the climbing) - similar. Longer hike unless you have a friend and driveway in Malibu, but less impact and access overall. Quieter climbing.
Wonder what the restrictions might be - like that matters in a place like Malibu Creek.
Discuss...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 22, 2009 - 10:19pm PT
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They're bluffing.
Don't be a dupe.
Call their bluff.
Brazil's the Third World,, Radical. Things are different here.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 22, 2009 - 10:29pm PT
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I tend to agree with chaz, (on this) hope he's right.
I'd hate to have to put up with those folk who run through here to get to Mt Diablo!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 22, 2009 - 10:44pm PT
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You know it's a bluff.
Not only are the parks a VERY tiny and insignificant part of the State budget, some parks make money.
And every "PARK CLOSED" sign will be as good as a "Vote Out The Incumbent Legislator" campaign sign.
The parks are too high-profile to be used as anything but a bluff. Closing parks does nothing to save money. They will still have to be patrolled by Park Cops (you don't think they will?, see the Clinton/Gingrich National Park closure). The only *savings* will come from not paying the guy at the gate who takes money.
All "bang" and no "bucks" makes actually closing parks an idea so sutpid even the boobs in Sacramento won't try it.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Jun 22, 2009 - 10:44pm PT
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The parks are going to close and they are going to enforce these closures with what army?
I wouldn't worry too much about this. Everyday this goverment is losing power.
Death throw decision making policies by a panicked administration. Sound familiar?
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Jun 22, 2009 - 11:10pm PT
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I'm going with Radicals impression and the 200+ parks that they are going to close makes my stomach turn....TR So does the fact that 77k students will lose grant $...Don't your parents use birth control?
The only solution to an unsolvable problem.Less Phucking people on this little polluted resource used blue marble.
It's Knott the Governators fault.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
North of the Owyhees
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Jun 22, 2009 - 11:12pm PT
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Sorry, But I will go where I will.......I'm an Abbey Fence Jumper from WAY back.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Jun 22, 2009 - 11:26pm PT
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The new $65.00 one time state park entrance fee.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
North of the Owyhees
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Jun 22, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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Hayduke Lives!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Jun 22, 2009 - 11:41pm PT
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 23, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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California should throw itself on the mercy of the rest of the Union. We can certainly use the National Parks and a good number of the State Parks- better management should do wonders for them. Some of the sports franchises could be useful, especially when exported to fiscally responsible municipalities in need. There are some reasonably well educated Californians who could prove productive in the the industrial zone we created in Northern Mexico, if only their work ethic can be improved. We need to work fast before the San Andreas Fault splits and deposits the most populous part of the State into the Pacific.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
North of the Owyhees
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Jun 23, 2009 - 12:21am PT
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Nothing so serious, it'll be our new island.......With Way more beach front property.......
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 23, 2009 - 12:27am PT
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We're too big to fail, Jim.
The other 49 States, who have their sh#t together, are going to be bailing out California via Obama Dollars!
Hot Damn!!!
Keep the cash coming, guys!
I'd thank you, but we DESERVE your money, so I won't.
You can visit California if you can afford it, just don't stick around very long or we'll have the cops on your ass.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 23, 2009 - 12:38am PT
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Chaz, if I need to apply for a visa, will you vouch for me?
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
North of the Owyhees
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Jun 23, 2009 - 12:43am PT
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Chaz can run the Ferry.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 23, 2009 - 01:02am PT
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We already have a California Border Patrol (or something)
They just act like they're looking for out-of-state produce.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 23, 2009 - 03:13am PT
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You can go down the toilet if you want.
I'll be clinging to the rim.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Jun 23, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
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Sinkyone Wilderness (Lost Coast Trail) is on the list, a real shame. It and one other California park (Henry Coe) are the two parks I've put the most miles in on, not sure which I have more miles in to be honest.
The Lost Coast trail is a nice 16.7 miles of rugged hiking right on the coast, located just north of where Highway 1 retreats inland due to impassable terrain. One book lists is as +/-5200' of up and down total along the length, making it a solid day's hike when you're a glutton. For the self abusive it is a great weekend warrior spot. By taking the less scenic horse trail and then the last 4.5 miles of the Lost Coast trail on Friday night (14 miles by headlamp) you can break up the 16.7 miles south into a Saturday and Sunday back to your car. Crowds in fall through spring are tiny, if existant at all. Summer is hot and icky, but also crowded as hell. I love it when the masses and I are on different schedules.
The park has a dozen or so car camp sites at the trail head, and then the trail. There is no ranger prescence on staff, just the usual iron ranger. I can't imagine the park costs much to keep open. Sadly there is a gate right near the main road making it impractical to use serupticiously if they indeed shut it down.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 23, 2009 - 04:31pm PT
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Moof,
That's a good example of a park that would cost more to close than to keep open.
This is why I know these ass-holes in Sacramento are blowing smoke.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 23, 2009 - 04:45pm PT
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They just act like they're looking for out-of-state produce.
What, like BC Bud?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 23, 2009 - 09:25pm PT
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Are you like the Lenny Bruce of the Idaho Militia or what?
Social commentary with just a tantalizing hint of violence - it's "Rokjox Live at the Potato Palace" !
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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for more on RJ's California Obsession:
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MisterE
Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2009 - 07:47pm PT
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Thanks for the link, ec.
That has to be a nail in the coffin for Arnie's "savings plan"
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hooblie
climber
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moof and chaz referenced the sinkyone sp. here's a pic, my first stab at it, so testing:
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I wonder what agency vs agency conflicts may spring up between California State Parks and the California Coastal Commission if certain state parks are closed - especially if the closings prevent coastal access (something the Coastal Commission is very big on).
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Finally, a thread on public land use where most of the posters express accurate concepts, but peripheral.
The controlling concepts for this issue and all public lands (as Rokjox and pud indicate).....
The government does not have enough Sheriff of Nottingham's to keep the ARMED common people off THEIR PUBLIC LAND, and stop them from TRAVELING BY COMMON MEANS ON THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.
Do not worry about road maintenance. After the government dolts waste the last tax dollar the public is willing to give them, the people will adequately, individually maintain the roads to travel carefully.
The common law, the most brilliant social invention of humans, resolves all social problems, which is why lawyers, judges, cops, Park Service dolts and their American Alpine Club mouthpieces must hide, deny and lie about the common law.
The US is a common law nation. The common law is the prevailing law of the land IF YOU LEARN IT ENOUGH to defend against the lawyer/judges, a relatively easy task.
So buy a gun and a bolt cutter, tell the government and your friends that you have done so, and that you intend to obey and protect the common law (therein the US Constitution) that protects the people from the government Sheriff's of Nottingham.
Let the weasely little American Alpine Club chaps slither away in fear of the illusions they were taught by intractably lying Park Service dolts.
Good people died horrible, horrible deaths in wars to create the US under the common law (including the US Constitution) that protects the people from the government. It is becoming wise to not be among the Park Service dolts and their AmerAC minions who demonstrate contempt for those who so sacrificed.
Check out OATHKEEPERS.ORG to get an indication of who is finally recognizing the flaw of the American Alpine Club's beloved Police State.
Doug
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berghold
Trad climber
Calistoga
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Jul 10, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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The Santa Rosa Rock Ice and Mountain Club, along with the Access Fund, organized an Adopt-A-Crag trash clean-up at Mount St. Helena last week. A State Park Ranger attended the event, volunteering his time and the use of one of their dump trucks. We worked as a team to clean up a ton of trash and perform some much needed trail maintenance. In his opinion, based on the layout of the park and the lack of services, facilities, etc. there would be no changes regarding access to any of the Mount St. Helena or Palisades climbing areas. Maintaining a positive working relationship with these land managers is the key to preserving climbing access regardless of the threat of closures.
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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Jul 10, 2009 - 12:19am PT
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Where are all the baptisms are going to be? Every weekend in Malibu State Park you will see someone getting baptized in the river drainage. I wonder what will be their chosen alternative?
AF
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jul 10, 2009 - 04:19am PT
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Berghold says it all for the mindless surrender of human rights, by ignorant humans who are worthless to the species.....
"Maintaining a positive working relationship with these land managers is the key to preserving climbing access regardless of the threat of closures."
That is precisely what Hitler's Brown Shirts said about the German citizen relationship to the Gestapo.
A right, such as the right of the public to walk on their own public land, and travel by common means on the public rights of way, is an action for which the government holds no authority to require permission (permit, license), charge a tax or fee, OR DEMAND THE "POSITIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP" that Hitler demanded of the Jews and Gypsies.
"Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present generation, to preserve your freedom! I hope you make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it." John Adams, signer of the Constitution.
Hey John, up there in Heaven, bad news. You wasted your time.
Twenty-year old park rangers are clueless of how it happens, but they laugh themselves to tears as how thoroughly they have subjected the environmentalist grovelers who genuinely believe that the public's parks are OWNED by the mental midget government dolts who stumbled into easy mindless Park jobs.
The Americans are yet mired in the intellectual dark ages. They yet do not know what human rights are.
DougBuchanan.com
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Jul 10, 2009 - 06:30am PT
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NPS will take them all!
well at least six of em!
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apogee
climber
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Aug 13, 2009 - 12:17pm PT
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Open up your wallets a little (lot) further if you want to visit our state parks:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-greenspace13-2009aug13,0,3805729.story
A bunch more are still slated to be closed after Labor Day, though they have not announced which ones.
I still think the threats of mass closures was a political bluff. As compared to mass closures, increased user fees are made to look much more acceptable. Don't get your hopes up that those fees will go back to pre-crisis levels once (if) things stabilize. Effin' Cali politics.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 13, 2009 - 12:50pm PT
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It will cost more to get into Perris Lake SP (home of Big Rock) than it will to get into Joshua Tree.
That tells you everything you need to know about the extent of mis-management in California government.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 25, 2009 - 06:21pm PT
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I knew it.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Sep 25, 2009 - 06:49pm PT
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Hmmmm higher taxes than almost any state and we have to give police furlow days? Looks like the crooks in sacramento don't want to play ball.
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