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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 17, 2008 - 08:49pm PT
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The last TWO times I have been to the Overlook in Flagstaff, I have had my female climbing partner take off her shirt, etc and climb topless.
Weird, huh?
(Post edited for personal reasons)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 17, 2008 - 08:51pm PT
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No tan lines either, she must do this often! If we could all have (gal) partners like that...
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marky
climber
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Jul 17, 2008 - 08:52pm PT
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She's a man, baby!!
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MZiebell
Social climber
Prescott, AZ
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Jul 17, 2008 - 08:52pm PT
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Proof positive that there is a god and that she wants us to be happy!
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jul 17, 2008 - 09:11pm PT
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Good for her. Clearly we have way too many hang ups in our society regarding a naked breast. It's Ok to shoot someone, but no naked breasts. That will be offensive to the children.
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Dapper Dan
climber
corona
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Jul 17, 2008 - 09:20pm PT
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that dude is buff
P.S. I climb topless all the time
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Double D
climber
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Jul 17, 2008 - 09:21pm PT
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MisterE...Clearly you are currently "in the zone." If it keeps up, you might have to see a specialist! (-;
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scuffy b
climber
Sartre's No Exit 1/32 mile
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Jul 17, 2008 - 09:25pm PT
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Doesn't that look like a jam crack?
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grover
Social climber
Canada
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Jul 17, 2008 - 09:33pm PT
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You took the werds right outa me mouth marky!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jul 17, 2008 - 10:41pm PT
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Sooze... you wanna step in here with your story? :-)
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Chewbongka
climber
लघिमा
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Jul 17, 2008 - 11:34pm PT
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Boobs are overrated... it's those vice lock legs that stir my watermelon.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 18, 2008 - 01:08am PT
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What a restrained response to this thread by Locker! Way to stay on the forum!
Nice shot MrE. Sorry this thread is getting more hits than your spiritual readings thread but I'll sign up for the facelift.
Peace
karl
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jul 18, 2008 - 01:12am PT
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"stir my watermelon"
What in the world does that mean?
hahahaha
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jul 18, 2008 - 02:16am PT
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My thoughts exactly Scuffy, are we paying attention to the wrong things?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jul 18, 2008 - 02:24am PT
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If my daughter decides to climb topless, then I'm going to call in my markers and have a gang of 5th graders TP her partner's house every Wednesday.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 18, 2008 - 02:31am PT
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Why...aren't...there...more ...pictures?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Jul 18, 2008 - 05:43am PT
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I'm with Woody.
Er, WoodySt, that is.
Umm, I mean I agree with Woody.
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horst
Trad climber
Lancaster, PA
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Jul 18, 2008 - 07:37am PT
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I see Dean is getting pub in the UK for his calendar.
Also, here's a rather humerous review of "topless women climbing"...
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jul 18, 2008 - 09:06am PT
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Not to be too sophomoric, but it looks like the climb she's on is a route called Bush Rush...
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Jul 18, 2008 - 11:31am PT
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That poor boy has gynecomastia.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 18, 2008 - 11:42am PT
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Thank you Horst. You, at least, understand what this thread should concentrate on. All that blather is thread waste.
I well remember back in the seventies when many ladies were demonstrating their new freedoms by climbing topless on Suicide, particularly The Weeping Wall. Being very progressive, and in harmony with the times, we males, being activists ourselves, supported this manifestation of new liberties. There were some, actually many among us, who felt the movement should go even further. During this era, my climbing improved markedly--after some adjustments-- as I learned to concentrate and climb with one eye. To this day, I have confidence that when plagued by an eye infection I'm still adequate to the task.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Jul 18, 2008 - 11:57am PT
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Some guys befuddle me...how can you critize a hard, fit woman climber? and compare her to looking like a dude? Unfathomable! You guys been playing Grand Theft Auto for too long! As my late grandpa used to say "I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eating crackers...". More pics of hard, topless climbing women please!
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 18, 2008 - 12:09pm PT
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Damn right! Let's get serious here; where's Locker?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jul 18, 2008 - 12:23pm PT
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(courtesy Donny... the OHHH!- Riginal)
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jul 18, 2008 - 12:45pm PT
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If you're referring to the climber in the original post, if that's a man, then I guess I must be gay...
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Jul 18, 2008 - 12:54pm PT
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MisterE,
That picture of her is very beautiful and tasteful. Please don't give them anything more, what these silly boys can't see is exactly what drives them crazy. It is why a few of them were calling her a man. They were just trying to goad you into giving them more to prove otherwise... Obviously they are interested...
Anyway... You guys know that I see nothing wrong with admiring a girl that takes care of herself. I wish more of us, including myself would do the same.
What some of you are not aware of is that I do NOT like seeing anyone being exploited and talked about as if they have no feelings. Yes, it does not bother me as much when it is about people that have "posed for magazines/calendars/ websites." (I figure when a girl or guy does that, they have signed up for the backlash of being objectified.)
But... If it is a fellow climber, male or female just doing their thing... That is not cool... Please note that I personally will not respect you or be interested in you as a friend or climbing partner if you give them grief.
Remember, casual words out of fun can still hurt someone immensely. Plus, a girl's looks is a very sensitive topic for us females. Be careful when you walk there. Even if it is not about us, we girls are taking notes...
Anastasia
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Dapper Dan
climber
corona
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Jul 18, 2008 - 01:30pm PT
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 18, 2008 - 02:04pm PT
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Talk about poisoning the pool.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 18, 2008 - 02:13pm PT
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I hear ya Pepper, it must be a venus mars thing....I know we gals admire hard bodies and legs...we just don't seem to talk about it much.... better yet is a body that includes a nice person inside...
Darn, pro wrecked their thread. All Mars Men, please ignore this post. :}
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Jul 18, 2008 - 03:14pm PT
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I was gonna say this thread needed a LOT more pics, but I was soooo wrong, after seeing dapper dan's post.
Seems to me that climbing topless would be an udder disaster in many cases, but still makes for a nice visual.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jul 18, 2008 - 03:16pm PT
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Sh#t man no wonder you never call me back to go climbing.
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susan peplow
climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
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Jul 18, 2008 - 03:24pm PT
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Anastasia, I agree with you completely. These boys are silly! That girl is in wonderful shape and likely could kick any of our butts.
She clearly is comfortable with her body and felt secure in being with Erik. I appreciate that the photo posted wasn't any more exposed and I too felt it was tasteful.
Aside from thinking that this gal must also bike for sport, she should really consider the ramifications of sun exposure. Then again, I don't so why should she.
Be careful boys with cruel and senseless comments. Unless of course you want us to start launching in on your physique.
~Susan
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, Ca
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Jul 18, 2008 - 03:26pm PT
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Strong buffed women look great except when they do enough drugs to look like ugly men, as in those pics posted above. Here, on the other hand is UberBabs, light of my life and stronger than two of me:
No way she'll climb topless in front of all you pervs though.
:-)
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Jul 18, 2008 - 03:26pm PT
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Woody - They are supposed to be tasteful. Would not want to harm such a beautiful member of the climbing community...
Mister E -Hope to se eyou and your Climbing Partner at the Facelift! Clothed or otherwise, she's already a wonder woman in my book!
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
hopping on a moonshadow
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Jul 18, 2008 - 03:31pm PT
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the photo is tasteful and shows her strength. good for her. and agree on the sunscreen! - i usually just get more and more brown, and i bet she does too, but it's still a good idea - apparently more and more young women are dealing with skin cancers.
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Jul 18, 2008 - 04:23pm PT
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Ksolem! Thank God you are smart enough to know how lucky you are!
Your wife is a smart, beautiful, educated, and has a very nice personality. What is not to like!?
Sending Smiles,
Anastasia
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Jul 18, 2008 - 04:30pm PT
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That is one extremely sexy pic if you ask me.
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horst
Trad climber
Lancaster, PA
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Jul 18, 2008 - 04:38pm PT
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Any old Gunkies remember the 1970s Vulgarian Digest with the topless women climber?
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Jul 18, 2008 - 05:09pm PT
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You would really have to be bonkers to think that woman is unattractive.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Jul 18, 2008 - 05:12pm PT
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...but, you should not be surprised that a guy brags about getting a couple ladies to go
topless and other guys step up to dog HIM down. Sheeze. Was that not obvious ?
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Jul 18, 2008 - 05:46pm PT
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I clicked "show all" at the top of the thread--but it didn't work.
Curt
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Jul 18, 2008 - 06:16pm PT
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Mr E and his galpal if she is lurking,
Dude, any assbag who thinks that she looks like a guy has issues. I think it's a great pic of a oned hottie.
BTW if you save the pic to your desktop, open it in a photo editor and brighten the pic you can see some side boobage.
Sorry, I'm a dirtbag....
Prod.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Jul 18, 2008 - 06:18pm PT
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Why can't a woman be more like a man?
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Jul 18, 2008 - 06:29pm PT
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More than once I have seen women go topless on "show us you your tits" at Owens. One of the times I had a group of 13 troubled teens that were in a placement program. They had been locked up for a long time and were quite shocked to see these ladies with their shirts off. One of them came over to talk to us while we ate our lunch in the shade under "short but steep."
i could tell that the few that actually had sunglasses were enjoying the conversation. the rest behaved themselves and sat and listened. I believe the girl went by the name "Blaze"? use to see her at Cave Rock alot of years ago.
take care
dave
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Jul 18, 2008 - 06:29pm PT
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Example
Medusa: Like, every chick I've ever taken up Walk on the Wildside has put out when we got on top.
Us: Dude, I didn't even know that your mom was a climber.
Claro Lockero ?
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
Fannie's Crack, AZ
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Jul 18, 2008 - 07:58pm PT
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I can attest the lady in the original photo is definitely cute! I had a strange encounter with her myself. This has never happened to me on a climb; Eric lead up the awesome Angel's delight route while me and another climber were at bottom. I started up a shared beginning with Eric's route, I missed a left at a ledge and could only follow same route Eric had just lead. Problem this gal was below me starting up. Well I told her she could pass over me and then I would lead the route up behind her. Safe to say it's interesting to have some cute gal crawl over you on a rock face. Not too shabby of a time.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Jul 18, 2008 - 09:21pm PT
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What's so funny about Peace, Love, and Jane Mansfield?
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
hopping on a moonshadow
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Jul 18, 2008 - 09:23pm PT
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you mean filipina (one of my close friends is from the phillipines)
sorry if what i said wasn't clear - what i mean is that a lot of people with olive tones or darker skin (more melanin) tend to soak up the sun without getting really burned - but are still vulnerable to skin cancer - ask your doctor
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marky
climber
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Jul 18, 2008 - 09:25pm PT
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could anastasia be less intelligent than jody?
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
Sacramento, CA
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Jul 18, 2008 - 09:29pm PT
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Topless climbing. Whatever works for ya.
Seems to me though that "Rock Rash" could be painful.
Knew a woman who lost a nipple in a rollerblading fall. What it takes to replace it is frighening.
Anyway, that woman has a rockin bod.
edit: refering to woman in original post
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tradchick
Trad climber
White Mountains
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Jul 19, 2008 - 06:58am PT
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Okay well no doubt this is gonna be a hit but I really can't resist...you guys are such easy targets.
You act like teenagers that have never seen a fit woman or breasts before. Maybe you should try a nude or topless beach and get real.
Yeah, she's fit, big deal. Many athletes are, climbers particularly. And FWIW, this doesn't come from envy...I'm just as fit as that chick.
Carry on...
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yo
climber
I drink your milkshake!
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Jul 19, 2008 - 10:18am PT
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prove it
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Jul 19, 2008 - 11:59am PT
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"she looks like a man"
translation: she is harder and more muscular than me and makes me look like a girl so I'll call her a man to make myself feel better, also I'm a little gay and can't admit it so I'm homophobic and a hard body on a woman confuses me.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:05pm PT
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That picture series of body builder Bettys makes me need to hurl! So gross!
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:11pm PT
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Heh heh, Lois said "hot and sweaty".....
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:14pm PT
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Topless, I thought you said toothless.
My bad,
Prod.
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:23pm PT
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Yo that girl freaking rocks for being such a good sport about that tooth. She has such a classic "Oops I knocked a tooth out" look on her face!
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:26pm PT
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Lois, I go topless pretty much all Summer--and I know for certain that I'll never put on, or wear a sports bra. I feel bad for all of the women out there who are encumbered by, and enslaved to a bra. :-)
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
hopping on a moonshadow
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:49pm PT
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The Universe belongs to Topless Climbing Women by right? Everyone with a different set of beliefs from Topless Climbing Women's is going to get a one-way ticket to Hell? Topless Climbing Women acts in the public interest? These are all claims made recently by Topless Climbing Women. Before examining the present situation, however, it is important that I begin the debate about Topless Climbing Women's expostulations.
Irrespective of one's feelings on the subject, Topless Climbing Women's positions cannot stand on their own merit. That's why they're dependent on elaborate artifices and explanatory stories to convince us that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. Topless Climbing Women's effusions present us with a riddle: Why is it that 99 times out of 100, it throws a temper tantrum every time I suggest that I was appalled when I first learned that its protégés want to revile everything in the most obscene terms and drag it into the filth of the basest possible outlook? Many people consider that question irrelevant on the grounds that some of us have an opportunity to come in contact with homophobic, bilious jackanapes on a regular basis at work or in school. We, therefore, may be able to gain some insight into the way they think, into their values; we may be able to understand why they want to fabricate all sorts of cankered ad-hoc rules and regulations.
Topless Climbing Women keeps trying to deceive us into thinking that the purpose of life is self-gratification. The purpose of this deception may be to dam the flow of effective communication. Or maybe the purpose is to concoct a version of reality that fully contradicts real life. Oh what a tangled web Topless Climbing Women weaves when first it practices to deceive.
This may be a foregone conclusion, but Topless Climbing Women's morals manifest themselves in two phases. Phase one: scapegoat easy, unpopular targets, thereby diverting responsibility from more culpable parties. Phase two: provide financial support to backwards banana republics and their cantankerous dictators. Who is Topless Climbing Women to decide what is morally acceptable for us and what is not? Topless Climbing Women, as usual, you prove yourself to be bestial. Now that I've stated that, allow me to say that whenever anyone states the obvious -- that seeing Topless Climbing Women revive an arcadian past that never existed is a nauseating and disgusting spectacle -- discussion naturally progresses towards the question, "Is it hoping that the readers of this letter won't see the weakness of its argument relative to mine?" Before you answer, let me point out that I overheard one of its legatees say, "The rules don't apply to Topless Climbing Women." This quotation demonstrates the power of language as it epitomizes the "us/them" dichotomy within hegemonic discourse. As for me, I prefer to use language to love the Earth and everything that flowers and crawls upon it.
Unfortunately, Topless Climbing Women's bleeding-heart whinges neglect to take one important factor into consideration: human nature. Unless principles don't matter, it is simply wrong to conclude that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't. In this volatile political moment, we must cautiously guard against the dangers of irritating communism. Hard to believe? Then consider the following statement from one of Topless Climbing Women's crotchety compeers: "All any child needs is a big dose of television every day." Pretty foul, huh? Well, if it turns out that there's indubitably no way to prevent Topless Climbing Women from making my blood curdle then I guess it'll be time to throw my cards on the table and call it quits. I'll just have to give up trying to bring the communion of knowledge to all of us and accept the fact that from the perspective of those inside its terrorist organization, its epigrams are our final line of defense against tyrrany. The reality, however, is that this is kind of a touchy subject to some people. There's nothing controversial about that view. It's a fact, pure and simple. It was a fact long before anyone realized that I'm no psychiatrist. Still, from the little I know about psychiatry I can honestly say that Topless Climbing Women seems to exhibit many of the symptoms of Asperger's syndrome. I don't say that to judge but merely to put Topless Climbing Women's meretricious insults into perspective. As I have tried to show in this letter, I have avoided engaging in open debate with rude, truculent prevaricators -- or even acknowledging their existence -- for fear of lending them any form of legitimacy. As long as you remember that, we may yet be able to build a coalition of stouthearted people devoted to stopping Topless Climbing Women.
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Ouch!
climber
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:50pm PT
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Topless Climbing Woman
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, Ca
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:52pm PT
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" ...Topless Climbing Women's expostulations... "
That does not sound right.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 19, 2008 - 01:46pm PT
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The first and last pic from the UK "Mail Online" show the ladies wearing shoes, and are nothing more than posers. It appears to me anyway, that all of them seem to be aware that a photo shoot was the purpose of their being on the rock. Some what of a contradiction to their article.
Sorry if this offends anyone but here goes. Anyone that poses for a nude photo better be able to take any flack that comes with it, good or bad, male or female. Don't come down on the people looking at the pic and making comments no mattter what they are, this is exactly what the pics were designed to do. Debating peoples opinions are fine, expecting change of human nature is foolish.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 19, 2008 - 02:09pm PT
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LEB, I understand your position, my wifes too. My post was referring to posing for pics.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jul 19, 2008 - 02:38pm PT
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strong, did you use that Buchanan software for that one?
I can't even wear undershirts, I don't know how women put up with that apparatus in various key situations. Bouncing times are different, I get that.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jul 19, 2008 - 04:54pm PT
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SS is definately taking lessons from Doug B.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
hopping on a moonshadow
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Jul 19, 2008 - 05:35pm PT
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I may be risking my life by telling you this, but we need to lead each other towards the understanding that what really upsets me is that Mtnmun wants to make all of us pay for his boondoggles. Let me get to the crux of the matter: We should agree on definitions before saying anything further about his vainglorious quips. For starters, let's say that "cameralism" is "that which makes Mtnmun yearn to make nearby communities victims of environmental degradation and toxic waste dumping." I have no problem with the manifestly obvious statement that he loves the truth only as long as it doesn't conflict with his zingers. I have no problem with the idea that without checks and balances, raucous Philistines are free to precipitate riots. And I have no problem with the special privileges occasionally granted to bad-tempered, impractical bloodsuckers. What I do have a problem with are his effrontive homilies.
If Mtnmun is going to make an emotional appeal then he should also include a rational argument. His tactics are merely a stalking horse. They mask Mtnmun's secret intention to understate the negative impact of revisionism. Mtnmun is an inspiration to sinful four-flushers everywhere. They panegyrize his crusade to make conditions far worse than could ever have been the case without his eccentric efforts and, more importantly, they don't realize that I am now in a position to define what I mean when I say that Mtnmun has a deep conviction that principles don't matter. What I mean is that Mtnmun's behavior might be different if he were told that he is every bit as moonstruck as clumsy, mawkish spongers. Of course, as far as Mtnmun's concerned, this fact will fall into the category of, "My mind is made up; don't confuse me with the facts." That's why I'm telling you that his ability to capitalize on the economic chaos, racial tensions, and social discontent of the current historical moment can be explained in large part by the following. There is only one way to stop Mtnmun from breaking down our communities. We must make out of fools, wise people; out of fanatics, men of sense; out of idlers, workers; out of the most pusillanimous ne'er-do-wells you'll ever see, people who are willing to challenge the present and enrich the future. Then together we can help people break free of his cycle of oppression. Together we can show the world that if we look beyond Mtnmun's delusions of grandeur, we see that he can't possibly believe that people prefer "cultural integrity" and "multicultural sensitivity" to health, food, safety, and the opportunity to choose their own course through life. He's shallow but he's not that shallow.
Mtnmun seizes every opportunity to topple society. I cannot believe this colossal clownishness. Any sane person knows that there are two related questions in this matter. The first is to what extent Mtnmun has tried to pander to what I call lazy roustabouts. The other is whether or not Mtnmun doesn't want to acknowledge that he goes ga-ga for any type of separatism you can think of. In fact, Mtnmun would rather block all discussion on the subject. I suppose that's because by his standards, if you have morals, believe that character counts, and actually raise your own children -- let alone teach them to be morally fit -- you're definitely a fatuitous ruffian. My standards -- and I suspect yours as well -- are quite different from Mtnmun's. For instance, I indisputably claim that when I hear him say that the cure for evil is more evil, I have to wonder about him. Is he entirely headlong? Is he simply being noxious? Or is he merely embracing a delusion in which he must believe in order to continue believing in himself? Apparently, even know-it-all Mtnmun doesn't know the answer to that one. It wouldn't even matter if he did, given that he may bring ugliness and nastiness into our lives right after he reads this letter. Let him. In the immediate years ahead, I will perform noble deeds.
Note that Mtnmun's communiqués are one of those things that will send self-pitying, grungy tricksters on safari holidays instead of publicly birching them. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life. Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that Mtnmun really isn't going to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, I can't make heads or tails of his reinterpretations of historic events. I mean, does Mtnmun want to condition the public to accept violence as normal and desirable or doesn't he?
After I demand a thoughtful analysis and resolution of our problems with Mtnmun, I know that everyone will come to the dismayed conclusion that I stated at the beginning of this discussion: Mtnmun has been fairly successful in his efforts to scupper my initiative to redefine in practical terms the immutable ideals that have guided us from the beginning. That just goes to show what can be done with a little greed, a complete lack of scruples, and the help of a bunch of deluded cockalorums. Life isn't fair. We've all known this since the beginning of time, so why is he so compelled to complain about situations over which he has no control? That is, does his oversized ego demand that he foster suspicion -- if not hatred -- of "outsiders"? The only clear answer to emerge from the conflicting, contradictory stances that he and his zealots take is that the most vindictive barbarians you'll ever see suffer from a collective self-image that prefers victimization to success and imposes a suffocating group conformity that ostracizes nonconformists. Although Mtnmun's epithets are as screwed up as Hogan's goat, we are here to gain our voice in this world, and whether or not he approves, we will continue to be heard.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
hopping on a moonshadow
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Jul 19, 2008 - 05:39pm PT
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This is to voice my dissatisfaction with Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's ideas. Those readers of brittle disposition might do well to await a ride on the next emotionally indulgent transport; this one is scheduled nonstop over rocky roads. As soon as you're strapped in I'll announce something to the effect of how Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator thinks that it holds a universal license that allows it to calumniate helpless dweebs. However, it has values that are antagonistic to a traditional, moral society. I'm inclined to think that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator, with its craftiness and pathetic jokes, will entirely control our country's exuberant riches in a matter of days. Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator will then use those riches to show us a gross miscarriage of common judgment. The moral of this story is that its goal is to scupper my initiative to advocate social change through dialogue, passive resistance, and nonviolence. How inarticulate is that? How ungrateful? How malign?
As you can see, if we're to effectively carry out our responsibilities and make a future for ourselves, we will first have to help people see Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's craven ramblings for what they are. Irreligionism has served as the justification for the butchering, torture, and enslavement of more people than any other "ism". That's why it's Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's favorite; it makes it easy for it to brand me as sappy. Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator is not just bookish; it's simple-minded, too.
I hate it when people get their facts thoroughly wrong. For instance, whenever I hear some corporate fat cat make noises about how Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator is as innocent as a newborn lamb, I can't help but think that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator talks a lot about academicism and how wonderful it is. However, it's never actually defined what it means. How can it argue for something it's never defined? To help answer that question I will offer a single anecdote. A few weeks ago, I overheard some pathological nefarious-type tell everyone who passed by that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator can achieve its goals by friendly and moral conduct. Astounded, I asked this person if he realized that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's gloomy announcements run counter to human nature and, as such, are doomed to failure. Not only was his answer "no" but it was also news to him that it's easy for us to shake our heads at Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's foolishness and cowardice. It's easy for us to exclaim that we should discuss the advantages of two-parent families, the essential role of individual and family responsibility, the need for uniform standards of civil behavior, and the primacy of the work ethic. It's easy for us to say, "Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator would like to see all of our individual liberties digest in the bowels of an all-powerful State." The point is that it's easy for us to say these things because Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator has been deluding people into believing that it is a martyr for freedom and a victim of exclusionism. Don't let it delude you, too. Before you read this letter, you might have thought that the average working-class person can't see through Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's chicanery.
Now you know that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator isn't as smart as it thinks it is.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jul 19, 2008 - 05:53pm PT
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So it was mntman man who toppled society, and not the family bush?
Who'd a thunk it?
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Sherri
climber
WA
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Jul 19, 2008 - 06:26pm PT
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I'd be curious to know what MisterE's intent was in posting the picture in the first place(in more than one forum, I might add). Had his observation of the mysterious phenomenon of the two occasions of his female partners climbing topless NOT included the photo, we could have all celebrated his good fortune and her free-spirited climbing without the ogling, speculation, name-calling and such.
I agree that it's a beautiful image, and it's cool seeing a sister buck societal constraints in favor of personal comfort. But posting it as a "Topless Climbing Women!" thread hardly seems to honor that or her.
Erik, if you really wanted to know why they were bearing boobs ONLY at this crag, couldn't you have asked them while you were climbing with them? Something doesn't add up in this story.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jul 19, 2008 - 06:53pm PT
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Nice Ice!
Mary Lou got a New Pair of Shoes
There were some advantages climbing back in the 60's-our motto was "Get Loose or Get Lost".
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal Hell
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Jul 19, 2008 - 07:08pm PT
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I'm glad there are guys out there that appreciate a more "soft" body, as in curvy women!!! Us curvy gals can still crank....
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blacksun
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, California
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Jul 19, 2008 - 07:14pm PT
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Yo Prod,
I'm sometimes a little harsh on my partners for slack belay technique too, but you've taken it too far!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 19, 2008 - 10:04pm PT
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Weschrist, Why ? Worst thread ever...I guess I'm feeling mellow. I think despite some of the HOOOOrroorr's of some threads we can learn about our mates and their world's on each thread.
Guido, Suddenly I feel alot better about myself, thanks. Just do a few more one arm pull ups and life will be perfect. hehehe
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Jul 19, 2008 - 10:57pm PT
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Goddamnit! Guido you always deliver!
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jul 20, 2008 - 12:39pm PT
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I can't believe I did all of that. I am just a simple artist;^)
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 20, 2008 - 01:15pm PT
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FINALLY.
I have been clicking on this thread for like a week, and up til now not one tittie.
Well, half of something is better than all of nothing. Who doesn't love chix with pix?
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Jul 20, 2008 - 04:54pm PT
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Marky,
People who think of others as dumb compared to their great wisdom and intelligence, are usually very basic, have single faceted view points, and are to egotistical to credit anyone else's ideas different from their own. They are very much in the same mind set as the original settlers who in ignorance thought that the Native Americans, Blacks, and Chinese were "savages and had child like" minds.
Yes... I know you "think" your comment is very witty, but it is actually showcasing your lack of insight and depth.
AF
P.S. As for Jody being smarter than myself... I believe that is very true... The guy has a career that is giving him all the benefits such as health, paid vacations and is going to allow him to retire early, etc. He owns a home, a business, nice cars and has enough spare time to take great pictures! He is married and has a great family, plus has the money to send his kids to college, etc. The man is a genius! If I can achieve half of his accomplishments, I will be doing good.
AF
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L
climber
Far off places where I left lipstick traces...
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Jul 20, 2008 - 06:26pm PT
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That's an awesome photo, Eric--tasteful and beautiful...and the epidomy of a strong woman climber.
Climbing topless is performance art, and needs to be appreciated as such.
Those women who peeled were obviously doing it for the benefit of Eric and the other guys around. Which is pretty amusing, really, and kind of cool in the essence that some women know how to bungle a guy's climbing technique while at the same time motivating him to attempt two grades beyond his skill level. It's a control thing...but in a sexy, harmless way.
Tan lines? C'mon. Any woman who climbs knows that if you're doing something easy, something you've done a dozen times before, yep...bronzing the back without a strap is fun!
But you put that same gal on a red-point effort, or an onsight at her climbing limit...or even a dicey slab route...and those tops will come right back on pronto. Cheese-gratering a nipple is no one's idea of a good time...having to worry about that and making clips or placing gear...plus climbing...and OMG if there's a roof to pull over--Yowza!
Even smaller-breasted women would balk at the thought of a ripped, bleeding nipple, much less a well-endowed female who could actually get titty-jammed in a crack. So accept it as Performance Art and bless your good luck, guys. It's still a dual-sexed world out there...and much more fun that way, too.
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Brutus of Wyde
climber
Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
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Jul 20, 2008 - 08:16pm PT
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Hmmmm.
I clicked on this thread, only to find that the "show all" button doesn't seem to be working very well.
What's up with that??
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Andy Middleton
Trad climber
Cow Hampshire
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Jul 21, 2008 - 10:26am PT
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Guido, that climber looks suspiciously like the one from an ancient Leeds University climbing journal. She was similarly "outfitted", and the photo was credited to Paul Ross.
The alpine hammer and Willians harness say 70's not 60's
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Jul 21, 2008 - 10:52am PT
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Sketch,
That book is proceless. Wow!
Prod.
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Cheaterfive
Trad climber
Menifee, CA
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Sep 21, 2009 - 03:00am PT
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If guys can do it, why not the chicks. Some may have to be careful about getting snagged on something, or caught in the rope, may have more trouble seeing their feet, etc. Most climbing chix tend to the low body fat profile anyway.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Shivasana
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Sep 21, 2009 - 03:13am PT
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What is sad is that this thread is not that old and three people who posted to it are no longer with us: Woody, Brutus and Curt (dirtineye). Well, these three are surely yucking it up somewhere.
Eric
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 21, 2009 - 04:41am PT
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Any thread that contains the phrase "deluded cockalorums" is o.k. in my book...
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Sep 21, 2009 - 05:02am PT
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this thread has a disappionting lack of pics...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 21, 2009 - 10:10am PT
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Also has OUCH in the thread. It's been almost a year now hasn't it? :(
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Decko
Trad climber
Colorado
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Sep 21, 2009 - 12:51pm PT
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 21, 2009 - 12:57pm PT
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Great observation Fletcher (and Crimpergirl). Still can't comprehend they're really gone.
Decko - very nice!
Any chance of rotating the model approximately 180 degrees?
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Sep 21, 2009 - 02:11pm PT
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Use to be in,in the 80's, the Euro mags had pictures of topless women climbing near the beaches in France. Used a lot of them in adds too.
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coloradohigh
Trad climber
milliken, co
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Sep 21, 2009 - 02:30pm PT
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Decko, what a fitting place to take such a picture, the place is none other than "Lumpy Ridge"
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Sep 21, 2009 - 02:34pm PT
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Did Locker teach crack annie at the circle k to belay?
Juan
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 21, 2009 - 04:49pm PT
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"Strutting naked, feeding his already perfect tan, he talked about abandoning hang-ups regarding nudity. His free-spirited lecture made me feel uninhibited about taking off my own top. But when our friends caught up with us, they took one look at the nudity before them and stared at us as if we had lost our minds. When I glanced down at my bare white chest, I felt awkward and embarrassed. At the same time, I wondered why a woman's bare chest should be a source of shame among friends." "To me it seemd natural to be topless among friends. Even so, I threw my top back on."
Page 145 of Climbing Free by Lynn Hill.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Sep 21, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
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Topless in France...
I know in surfing it's called nipple rash... what do you call it in climbing?
A crag snag ?
OUCH
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MisterE
Trad climber
Canoga Bark! CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2009 - 06:49pm PT
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This seems an appropriate place to put this. A couple of people were asking about Skip's tattoo:
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Sep 21, 2009 - 06:52pm PT
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With my ADHD, I would probably get distracted if my wife had that on her back ;)
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Sep 21, 2009 - 06:56pm PT
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damn, you guys are hard up. . .
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Decko
Trad climber
Colorado
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Sep 24, 2009 - 12:56pm PT
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Yep it's Lumpy.....anyone wanna guess what formation ??
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matty
climber
po-dunk
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Sep 24, 2009 - 01:21pm PT
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will post pics if the topless hooker SA of WOS goes down.
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