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Truethy
Social climber
A state of disbelief
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 15, 2007 - 01:47pm PT
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This one could go either way. In one hand- he is a fascinating individual. Very much like a character out of the Old West.
On the other hand……..
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Nov 15, 2007 - 01:49pm PT
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You created an account for this?
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Nov 15, 2007 - 01:50pm PT
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This could be a good one.
He's helped me quite a bit and I'm looking forward to meeting him at Sushifest in IC.
Prod.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2007 - 01:59pm PT
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Glad if I could help Prod, but no Fest in IC for me.
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Owlman
Social climber
Montucky
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Nov 15, 2007 - 02:00pm PT
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"I'm not gonna help you, man. Your'e gonna help him! I mean, what are they gonna say about him after he's gone, huh? He was a wise man. He was a kind man? He had plans...he had wisdom. Bullsh#t, man!"
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Nov 15, 2007 - 02:02pm PT
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Love that Dennis Hopper quote from Apoc Now.
Damnit Ron, why not stand around in the snow in IC rollin' it up wit us?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2007 - 02:13pm PT
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Bad news/ good news.
Oral surgery/ pretty friend nursing me.
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Nov 15, 2007 - 02:18pm PT
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I wasn't gonna post this in the SW thread, but it seems to me that Ron has been very vocal about what he feels is the evolution of acceptable standards based on the constant influx of new information - IE pounding pitons in soft rock years ago vs the damage the routes see over time, visible now but not in foresight.
I give mad props to anyone that is open enough to see and modify their position like that. Some seem to call it hypocrisy, but I think you have to maintain behavior while telling others not to do it in order for that to be accurate. We live, we learn, we try to do better - that's HUGE in my book...
Now, on the antagonistic side of things - yeah he's rubbing some people the wrong way. Personality ? Not sure if it comes down to any more than that...but I do know that the delivery is just as important as the message, with the flip side being that people are going to provoke a response one way or the other sometimes.
Yes it damages the rock. Would we lose access if someone got seriously hurt or worse trying to raise the bar though ? Lawsuits and land use concerns being what they are, I'm not sure this one is at all cut and dry...one too many lawsuits/rescues/injuries and this whole game is going to change, imho...I'm not saying that's justification, just a valid concern.
One n00b's opinion...
-Tom
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couchmaster
climber
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Nov 15, 2007 - 02:27pm PT
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Ya just gotta love the guy.
Besides that, his routes speak for him as well.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2007 - 02:27pm PT
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It'd be great to hang for the love fest, but I've got work to do. Catch y'all later.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Nov 15, 2007 - 02:49pm PT
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"Would we lose access if someone got seriously hurt or worse trying to raise the bar though ?"
If loss of access must occur, I'd rather it be b/c because someone raised the bar than because someone lowered it.
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Nov 15, 2007 - 02:52pm PT
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Good point Melissa...good point indeed.
-Tom
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2007 - 04:59pm PT
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Riley, why did I have to put that bag over my head?
Unfortunately Junior broke free yesterday and has evaded discovery and I'm pretty upset. (Do you think it shows in recent posts?)
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Nov 15, 2007 - 05:14pm PT
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Ron's OK. I've talked with him a bit, here and there, in email. We're all quirky, we all have things we do that bug people. Strong personalities are a part of climbing. And, of course, internet forums make us all "experts" and bring out our tough guy syndromes! hahaha I think Ron brings good points to the forums and his posts are, most times, enjoyable to read.
Hope you find Junior and he is well, Ron!
Peace and Hair Grease!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 15, 2007 - 06:15pm PT
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Pickaxe Ron's buttons are easily pushed, but it's sooo much fun!
And he does tend to stay in the hot kitchen, LOL.
I confess Ron, I ate your lizard, with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
But seriously, I bet Ronbo is fun to climb with, and probably a good pal to have, as nearly every other internet butthead I (used to) climb with is like that. There is something about curmdgeonly irrascible climber dudes. I guess they have character or something, and they are interesting. The climbing banter tends to be quite amusing en route.
However, back to the point, it's far more fun and useful to deprecate internet losers who start accounts and post threads just to bash people.
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Truethy
Social climber
A state of disbelief
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2007 - 06:43pm PT
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Soil in Visual Orifice,
Didn’t start this thread to bash RonO. Just wanted to initiate a healthy discourse on a thread apart from the Streak Wall thread. OlyO simultaneously launched his Ammon for President thread, so this one sort of evens out the scales of justice.
If there is some character bashing to be done, I have no fatter target than you. But I shall refrain…
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 15, 2007 - 06:44pm PT
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Spoken like the true dipsh!t you must be.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2007 - 06:48pm PT
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Why did you start a new account?
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Nov 15, 2007 - 06:49pm PT
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proud to announce I Hate Everybody...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2007 - 06:50pm PT
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Tom, I always thought you were very egalitarian.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2007 - 06:59pm PT
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That was an interesting post you deleted there OP.
Why the new account?
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Truethy
Social climber
A state of disbelief
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2007 - 07:12pm PT
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Ron,
Yes, I was going aim a barb at Dirt but decided, nah. I've got too much love in my heart, so I deleted the verbal jab.
But you do agree that this thread is a better place for your admirers and detractors to have their say – versus the Streaked Wall thread, yes? And the Ammon for President is really a place for HIS admirers/ detractors to have at it.
Thus, you got your own thread. Once again.
And I got tired of my old pseudonym. It’s time for a new personality. It’s like getting your hair colored, er.. getting a new hair style, er…
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Nov 15, 2007 - 07:31pm PT
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I posted on this forum that I was having a 40th birthday party and invited anyone that wanted to attend. It was all locals except for this one guy that I didn't know - Piton Ron. He showed up with two nice bottles of sake, a big gun and a bigger lizard. Since then he's been someone I regard as a true friend. Bash him I could (and have and will again!). Before I do that though....
Hoping he shows soon!!!!
Nobody is safe in this world:
I LOVE YOU MAN!
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piquaclimber
Trad climber
Durango
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Nov 15, 2007 - 07:33pm PT
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I am appreciative of Ron's efforts in establishing so many fine routes.
I've climbed at least a half dozen of them and they were all great outings.
I also enjoy the online banter. I may not agree with him (or anyone here) all the time but that's part of living in a community.
Cheers,
Brad
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Nov 15, 2007 - 07:34pm PT
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You never did Trapeze did you? The Snow Canyon folks are lucky the sushi chef wasn't stuck to the wall all night. Sheeesh!
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Nov 15, 2007 - 07:44pm PT
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hehe - i remember watching you bitch up a storm on that route...good times, man, good times...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2007 - 07:55pm PT
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Hey Falsey,
how about that deleted post to Dirt saying your fight wasn't with HIM.
To the gang,
love you guys too.
Maybe I got too upset over the AWOL liz, but all I did was ask Ammon for a number which some seventy odd posts later I still haven't really gotten.
Sure its a loaded question, but if everyone was supposed to agree I wouldn't be interested in being here.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 15, 2007 - 09:28pm PT
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You never did Trapeze did you? The Snow Canyon folks are lucky the sushi chef wasn't stuck to the wall all night. Sheeesh!
A cruise to lead if you're a right-coaster who sometimes brings double ropes!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 15, 2007 - 09:35pm PT
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Ron stands for what he stands for, and it seems to me that from what I've seen, he expects a person to back up their mouth if they go shooting it off(just trying to get a gun pun in).
He's also been very generous with his sushi-rolling at the fests. I know that I wouldn't be able to do that. I think he was generous with allowing others to handle his firearms/use his ammo, too. Considering that he values them highly, that's pretty cool, I think.
I got nothing negative to add, but then....I don't know Ron all that well!!!
Edit: I hope Junior shows up soon!!!! Maybe he's crawled into a snuggly warm place, if the temperatures have recently dropped?
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Scrunch
Trad climber
Provo, Ut
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Nov 15, 2007 - 11:06pm PT
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Agreeing or disagreeing being immaterial, I appreciate that Mr. Olevski is willing to engage in the dialogue. I also appreciate the game he plays, i.e. putting up lines in a sustainable style. Because of his participation in the vast human pretend we call society, i have the upmost respect for him.
Because he's a 'ornry crackpot, I think he's a "sick brah" (to use climber lingo).
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Nov 15, 2007 - 11:19pm PT
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I hope you find your lizard, Ron. :-(
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Nov 15, 2007 - 11:23pm PT
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WRT Trapeze: I guess I suppose the humor in my comment regarding the route was lost. I had little time that day. I looked up at the wall and spied what appeared to be good rock with holds. I didn't know the name of the route. Perhaps the lack of chalk should have been a sign. BUT I WAS IN A HURRY!
And hey! If nothing else I made The Pelted One laugh and that has to be good for something!
Double ropes? call me a lefty....
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 16, 2007 - 12:33am PT
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DOH! I missed whatever garbage the idiot posted, just as well.
Ronbo, NOW I know who you really are!!
Ronbo is G Gordon Liddy!!!!!
NO sh!t, just go find a pic of Liddy and compare.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 16, 2007 - 01:58am PT
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IS that Ronbo or what????
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 16, 2007 - 02:06am PT
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A quote from Liddy's site:
"Rated by the Treasury Department as a pistol expert whose draw and hit was timed electronically by the FBI at 60/100 of a second,"
IT's GOTTA be the same guy!
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yo
climber
The Eye of the Snail
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Nov 16, 2007 - 11:01am PT
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So the choices are hating Ron or not around him enough yet to hate him? Guess I'm in the latter.
Helluva compliment right there.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Nov 16, 2007 - 11:11am PT
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Ron IS generous. I quizzed him for information about southern Utah climbing when I lived in Utah and he shared a great deal of beta at the expense of much of his own time.
He's also forgiving. I jested with him about implications of locals destroying his property, not knowing the full extent of their crimes. He got irate with me and let me know it. That was my error. But he realized I was naive about the offenses and overlooked my insensitivity. Ron brings a great deal to this forum, especially his wit, knowledge and sense of moral propriety.
Ron, I dread your mormon threads and wish you and Pat would meet and talk out your differences. That's a feud that shouldn't be---have no doubt you would like each other, should you meet.
Hope you find Junior. He's become somewhat of a mascot, here.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Nov 16, 2007 - 12:47pm PT
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Wes,
Your sarcasm is misplaced. Would you jest with a crime victim about the crime knowing the full extent and implications of the crime?
I didn't know the whole story before jesting with Ron. A mistake on my part. Ron let it go rather than hold a long term grudge. To me it showed some class. Are your feathers really ruffled cause I bring it up? Why?
Personally, I'd rather keep out of these internet feuds. I don't know Ammon and have nothing against him. Pat Ament is my friend but does one need villify one participant in a feud to show "loyalty" to another? This is an appreciation thread of sorts and I wrote what I appreciated about Ron. What is that to you ?
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Tungflik
climber
Colorado
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Nov 16, 2007 - 01:05pm PT
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Ron is really great in bed
"f*#kin' and fightin' it's all the same" - Sublime
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 16, 2007 - 01:18pm PT
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w/c - If you'd said "wankers like the rest of US," your post would be okay. But that you seem to think you're exempt( because you definitely give the appearance of being one of the bigger wankers of the site, in case that has escaped you) makes your slur.....a dud. Edit: And if you think you will derail teh Ron A/D thread, maybe you should get a Westchrist A/D thread of your own. Give people something to do over the weekend....
And - when I wrote that I had nothing negative to say about Ron, cause I didn't know him all that well, it was my attempt to be joking. In my book, he is all right. Like I said - I know some people have had altercations with him. On a lesser scale, there are website users who have a compulsion to disparage me often. I figure that most of us have some people who don't like us, and if we don't it's probably because either we are not showing ourselves truly or worse - that we are boring!
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Nov 16, 2007 - 02:46pm PT
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Good lord is that him in Natures and Happigirls photos?
He looks Jewish? and Bald, and short with facial hair? Plus he likes guns. Can anyone say Napoleon complex?
Just seemed like everyone was being too nice...
Prod.
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Nov 16, 2007 - 04:03pm PT
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Hey WC,
First off I am not average size, and secondly I am kinda lazy, so you aren't saying too much there.
Prod.
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mellpat
Big Wall climber
Sweden
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Nov 16, 2007 - 04:53pm PT
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Appreciated Ron's clean-aid DVD very much. His technique of crossing feet for stability when standing in etriers is super.
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
St. Looney
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Nov 16, 2007 - 07:47pm PT
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Appreciation to Ron for adding to the flavor here on the taco. I really do hope that Junior shows up safe. Keep us posted please -
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Nov 16, 2007 - 08:03pm PT
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Ron has helped me out of a "Dark" time and he's always delt me a square hand if anyone has any problems with that, lets talk, HaHaHaHa. RO is good guy to have one your side.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 16, 2007 - 08:04pm PT
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I love everybody and think we're all whacked
Peace
Karl
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 16, 2007 - 08:39pm PT
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I can't believe that I am the only one who recognizes G Gordon Liddy in his climbing alter ego, Ronbo.
What a bunch of forgetful wankers.
Especially YOU Karl, you should know Liddy when you see him!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Sep 15, 2015 - 04:49pm PT
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I want to know what happened to the lizard. Did Ron ever find him? Dead or Alive?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Sep 15, 2015 - 08:51pm PT
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OK I just got the word. The lizard reappeared and lived several more years. May he now rest in peace while Ron carries on being Ron.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 16, 2015 - 02:51am PT
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What happened to Ron? is he still on the site?
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couchmaster
climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 09:20am PT
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As time goes on I've realized that Ron is a kind and caring soul (more than the rest of us) to those who deserve it, and rough on douchbags (rougher than the rest of us) who had it coming. Might have mixed up a few douchbags with caring souls at some point in his life, and certainly has his prickly moments (more than the rest of us as well) - proving that nobodys perfect. Bottom line, good guy.
Speaking of douchbags:
Camaron hemorrhoid sholly said: "He is a total wanker.......bald, unmarried trustfunder with guns....... " You started a new account to bump this? Step right up ladies:-)
(Literature note: everyone needs an as#@&%e, nobody needs a hemorrhoid.)
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Sep 16, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
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Met the Man at Kor Fest in AZ.
Anyone who can be the assistant chef in Natures Sushi barn, knows his stuff.
And I got to shoot his buffalo rifle a few times, man o man what a kick.
Much appreciation.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 12, 2015 - 05:22pm PT
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bump for the realness. bummer the tacostand ain't what she once wuz
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