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Standing Strong
Trad climber
look around look around, tell me what you've found
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 19, 2007 - 12:51am PT
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would you have sex in a church / synagogue / mosque / mormon tabernacle / any other house of worship? yes or no?
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Moof
Trad climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Jun 19, 2007 - 12:53am PT
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With altar boys? No.
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stinky
climber
Santa Cruz. CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 12:55am PT
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are you looking for timely advice?
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jun 19, 2007 - 12:55am PT
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It would take more than that to get me into a church.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
look around look around, tell me what you've found
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2007 - 12:57am PT
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i mean, would you have sex IN a church? doesn't matter if it's during the service or not.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jun 19, 2007 - 12:59am PT
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yes. mos def. with jesus watching, even.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:06am PT
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what kind of sex?
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Lando
climber
Tulsa
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:07am PT
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sex IS my church
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:08am PT
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sex IS my freakin' religion
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:10am PT
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it's a 5.10 mantle into heaven, brother.
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Quaken
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:12am PT
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As long as it was in that pool they dunk you in and the water was warm and the bubbles were going and the candles were lit..and you were there
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:21am PT
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"wild 'tis it not?"
Madame de St Ange to Eugenie
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:24am PT
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bvb, something neath those happy habits that we should know about?
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Slakkey
Trad climber
From a Quiet Place by the Lake
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:25am PT
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It depends who you are having sex with. Church, in the wilderness, at home its all good with the right person.
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M.Tea
Trad climber
Utah
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:27am PT
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I would...and I have. Hallelelujah and Amen.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:30am PT
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RE:
" its all good with the right person"
or the WRONG person - oh yeah
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:40am PT
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That's some bad juju plukin' in a church. Too many spooks hanging 'round in churches for my liking. I'm really glad that you had a 'fun' experience. I guess it helps to be in the right church. I was always too afraid of the wrath of them mothers superior. Kinda like these fine ladies!
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Slakkey
Trad climber
From a Quiet Place by the Lake
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:44am PT
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SS, You just answered my question I was just about to post.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:46am PT
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So what if I get caught. It wouldn't be the first time. Besides, I'm jewish and it would be a convenient moment to offer evidence of that fact.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:51am PT
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Would the Cathedral Rocks be ok?
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
look around look around, tell me what you've found
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2007 - 01:52am PT
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or in a a synagogue / mosque / mormon tabernacle / any other house of worship?
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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Jun 19, 2007 - 01:53am PT
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If you asked nicely...
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Jun 19, 2007 - 02:15am PT
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or not
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 02:20am PT
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Yosemite Valley has been described as a church, so yes...
Electric Church?
... yes
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 19, 2007 - 02:22am PT
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Me likes me privacy when taking a roll in the hay. Like I wrote earlier, do you really dig all those deities staring down at you? What naughtyass aspect of this is so exciting besides being drug into the Rectory and spanked with some unmentionable thing if you get caught?
Where's LEB on this one?
EDIT: Okay, no doubt about it; anywhere in the wilderness is quite lovely.
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 19, 2007 - 02:35am PT
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You must mean Camp Wawona?
Did you have a bad experience there?
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jun 19, 2007 - 02:40am PT
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Is this a trick question?
Is the bear catholic?
Does the pope shid in the woulds?
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
look around look around, tell me what you've found
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2007 - 02:49am PT
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"Is this a trick question?
Is the bear catholic?
Does the pope shid in the woulds?"
just my contribution toward a less-boring supertopo :)
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 19, 2007 - 02:49am PT
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I wonder if that's where the WOS boys learned that secret handshake? I know it's where the camper's grin came from.
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Sheets
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 02:59am PT
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Well, a couple years back I climbed a 17th century Catholic church with my then girlfriend....
But wasn't the question about what goes on *inside* the church?
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 19, 2007 - 03:24am PT
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Sounds like what when on outside was way more cool.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
look around look around, tell me what you've found
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2007 - 03:36am PT
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"Like I wrote earlier, do you really dig all those deities staring down at you?"
not all churches are garishly decorated. plus, jesus and those kids didn't look like that anyways, so who cares?
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Jun 19, 2007 - 04:06am PT
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First of all, at risk of sounding self-righteous, I don't believe in having "sex." I believe in love and being with one I love. Some might call it making love. As for church, well the closest thing I came to anything like that was in the early 1970s in Yosemite at the little chapel near Sentinel Meadow. I and a girl friend went there one late dark night to find the piano, so I could serenade her. We then lay on the altar, the only flat and spacious place, cuddling and kissing. We didn't feel the condemnations of God. So much of mainstream Christianity seems so very wayward and verging on the antithesis of Christ that their buildings hardly inspire a sense of the sacred, although there are notable exceptions, but rather what is sacred is what happens among the pure in heart, no matter what religion, who might go to a man-made structure with their honest spirits (mingling of course with the majority of dishonest and impure spirits). I think God appreciates love (sex is meaningless without it, or rather in love people never have "sex"), but that kind of philosophy aside, what could be the purpose of such a question but to troll for a series of banal remarks offered by a host of those who, for the most part, seem uninclined spiritually?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jun 19, 2007 - 04:12am PT
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Additionally, it depends on the chuch environs. A confession booth ? H*ll yeah !
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
look around look around, tell me what you've found
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2007 - 04:16am PT
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"what could be the purpose of such a question but to troll for a series of banal remarks offered by a host of those who, for the most part, seem uninclined spiritually?"
i don't know, it was on a myspace survey and it was such a funny / random / odd question i thought it would be funny to post here... didn't really think it thru... just being spontaneous... geez.
i don't really feel like i could judge terribly accurately whether or not folks are spiritually inclined simply by some posts on a message board... well, maybe a little, but not that much.
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turd
climber
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Jun 19, 2007 - 06:00am PT
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Hell no.
Never again.
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JAK
climber
The Souf
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Jun 19, 2007 - 08:15am PT
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I don't see why not. As long as you're not a catholic priest, it's unlikely you're committing any crimes :\
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Jun 19, 2007 - 09:39am PT
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i believe the joke is :
a woman asked her priest if it was ok to have sex on sunday before church.
the priest thought for a moment and replied 'I suppose it's all right, as long as you don't block the isle.'
personally - this is *all* church to me...even the parts that are ugly, still all a miracle any of this bothered to be here and now for us, so if i ever do have sex again it will be in church, yes, just like every other time before it...
ymmv...
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andanother
climber
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Jun 19, 2007 - 10:09am PT
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Is this an offer?
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Jun 19, 2007 - 11:05am PT
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was offered it once.
was too devout at that time to take her up on it.
now?
probably would have worked it out...
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Watusi
Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 11:41am PT
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Church Lady...May I have another?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jun 19, 2007 - 11:43am PT
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Hey, is that LEB?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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Jun 19, 2007 - 11:45am PT
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Who are wont to or specifically desire sex acts in a sanctuary dedicated by others to the worship of the Almighty?
Churches, synagogues etc. take up a very small fraction of the earths surface and are sufficiently enclosed and defined in purpose. How would I rationalize invading my neighbors pantry, refrigerator or bedroom? I'd probably feel compelled to use similar logic in rationalizing a sex act in my group or any group's house of worship.
In doing so, I either display my callousness and lack of discernment regarding the sacred or I'm just getting a perverse excitement from invading the sanctity of what space others hold inviolate.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jun 19, 2007 - 11:57am PT
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Who's to say that making love isn't a form of worship?
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jun 19, 2007 - 11:59am PT
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It's always been religous for me
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Tom the Cop
Sport climber
Northern Virginia
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Jun 19, 2007 - 12:10pm PT
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The Opie and Anthony radio show got cancelled a few years ago for encouraging a couple to have sex in Saint Patricks Cathedral.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jun 19, 2007 - 12:30pm PT
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Chaz sez:
It would take more than that to get me into a church.
Best answer so far...
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Jun 19, 2007 - 12:38pm PT
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Holy smokes, Watusi! Talk about a 'bad habit!'
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Jun 19, 2007 - 12:46pm PT
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She would:
That one may have to be removed . . .
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Brutus of Wyde
climber
Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 05:17pm PT
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"In doing so, I either display my callousness and lack of discernment regarding the sacred or I'm just getting a perverse excitement from invading the sanctity of what space others hold inviolate."
I feel that the above statement says far more about you and how you view sex than about others and their motivations. Then again, you did make your statement in the first person.
"Who's to say that making love isn't a form of worship?"
Exactly. Many religions have incorporated sex and/or lovemaking as a sacred act, and part of their ceremonies.
Brutus
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TwistedCrank
climber
a luxury Malibu rehabilitation treatment facility
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Jun 19, 2007 - 05:26pm PT
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Aren't you freaks just confusing your hormonal imbalances with religious urges?
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stinky
climber
Santa Cruz. CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 05:42pm PT
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are you saying there's a difference?
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Jun 19, 2007 - 05:45pm PT
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i thought he meant religious imbalances with hormonal urges
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stinky
climber
Santa Cruz. CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 05:49pm PT
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i've always thought religion a social structure whose brick and mortar are the sexual repression and guilt.
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Brutus of Wyde
climber
Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 07:27pm PT
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"i've always thought religion a social structure whose brick and mortar are the sexual repression and guilt."
Most of the widely-practiced religions today, yes.
'twas not always the case.
Brutus
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randomtask
climber
North fork, CA
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Jun 19, 2007 - 09:43pm PT
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You get laid in a coffin...and that's usually in church.
-JR
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Jun 19, 2007 - 10:35pm PT
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GAWD, I want to say something pathetically crude and exteremely funny about this, but I'm afraid it would bother Jennie, whom I like.
So use your effing imagination.
BUT, we used to have a saying that a lot of virginity was lost at camp, does that count?
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Beatrix Kiddo
Mountain climber
Denver
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Jun 20, 2007 - 10:41am PT
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I once made out in a church closet but I was only in 7th grade. Then when I was in High School I made out in the basement of St. John's Cathedral in NYC.
I can't imagine being in a church long enough to let my freak flag fly there but if I was and the moment was right, SURE! When I'm with someone who really excites me, all I can think about is what I want to do with that person. Location is never an issue.
AAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Jun 20, 2007 - 01:18pm PT
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The only thing interesting about this thread is when it was posted: June 18. That was the day of a Pluto - Sun opposition. Pluto is the planet that rules such instinctual behaviors that can overthrow moral norms. The opposition to the sun indicates this archetype was infused with much more energy than normal but since it was an oppsosition, rather than say, a conjunction, the more problematic characteristics rather than more positive characteristics are emphasized.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Jun 20, 2007 - 01:19pm PT
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Wrong as usual Lois, you really should keep up with current events a little better.
THAT is the Vatican's new method to stop priests from daliances with alter boys.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 20, 2007 - 02:53pm PT
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Lol... this is too funny.....
Having sex in a Catholic church that was actually created by a young girl gettin' banged and knocked up by good 'ol Joe. Hey, he did eventually marry her. You've got to give him credit for that. Sure she made up a little "fib" that started 2000 years of fables and myth. Can't blame her for not wanting to get stoned to death...
Oh... sh#t... wait.... that makes sense... I'll stop.
But no... I wouldn't now. You know some of those priests have tiny little webcams all over.....
-Fear
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Loomis
climber
Blava nie, ty kokot!
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Jun 20, 2007 - 09:50pm PT
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While living in Czech and Slovak republic's, I would use the churches regularly on warm summer nights and cold winter days. European churches are so romantic, great architecture and many hidden places to play "Hide the klobasa"
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Ouch!
climber
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Jun 20, 2007 - 10:19pm PT
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"Hey, is that LEB?"
This is Shack's or Fish's concept from back when they dressed her like a nun.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 20, 2007 - 11:28pm PT
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I have no choice but to have sex in church.
The human heart holds more Spirit than any building. Trying to exclude God from Sex is like trying to hide from yourself.
Peace
Karl
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
look around look around, tell me what you've found
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2007 - 03:25am PT
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well, to be honest i feel like sexual pleasure is everyone's birthright. if the mood struck our fancy whilst exploring a cathedral and we ignored it i'd feel guilty for extinguishing a magic that should never be ignored.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 21, 2007 - 11:20am PT
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If you're not a priest, the church might turn you in SS.
Might make for an interesting story in the paper to add your mystery!
If you get caught having sex in public, is it some kind of Sex offense? Do you have to register as an offender?
Would be kind of nice to know. I got sort of caught having sex in church (well, it was a rock in the middle of the South Fork of the Merced) years back. A group of Yosemite Institute kids and teacher had hiked up the river and saw nature in action.
peace
Karl
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coiler
Trad climber
yosemite
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Jun 21, 2007 - 11:37am PT
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Church?... How Savage! People are still holding on to those barbaric stories of magic, smoke and mirrors. How quaint. I know they are still trying to shove it down my throat! I wish they would stop. Oh, back to your question... Yeah, a church is just as good as anywhere else; sturdy wooden benches, mood candles, secret little "confesionals"... Yeah Baby!!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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Jun 21, 2007 - 01:36pm PT
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"This thread kicks ass! A topic (most) everyone agrees on."
Raimit,
Your archbishop or whoever needs to throw ice cold Holy Water on your pubescent lap. If you really believe EVERYONE agrees with this nonsense you're more naive than I thought. As I recall, Locker just said "no" which is the smartest answer on the entire thread. Oli gave the same answer and why. But Ament is one of the big dogs and ST ers only address the big dogs when they're flattering or kissing up to them. But it was obvious Pat wasn't in the mood for holding court, so you waited for a straw man or woman you could go off on.
Most everyone you say? You might want to note regular ST posters who elected not to post here.
"Some believe the whole earth is “sacred”. Uh-oh! Where do you go then?"
That's real genius. I'm sure you were the first pilgrim to come up with THAT! The sacredness of church is just one aspect of the equation, the sanctuary of a chapel is also SET APART for a specific purpose. Your parents likely set apart various parts of the household for specific purposes. Did your folks customarily have sex on the dining room table????.....Probably not..... Neither is a chapel set apart for sexual relations.
"Sorry, Jen , but it looks like you’re a little out of sync with the group opinion. Do you really believe your god is offended by “sex acts” on church premises? (Or maybe you’re just getting “perverse excitement “ from going against popular opinion.
But are you really being honest with yourself? …..Are you really suggesting you’d pass up the right right moment with the right person because of some preacher contrived idea about what “space” is too sacred for making love?
Perverse excitement? Popular opinion? The only perverse excitement I'm getting is laughing at you being led on by the other sheep. Sheep are animals that are without exception dominated by a group instinct. They do everything together, when one eats they all eat, when one drinks they all drink, and when one lays down to chew its cud they all do. When one panics, all of them panic, unlike humans where that can only be said to be true of a majority of anyone group. However, just like humans, sheep are easily fooled. When they are fooled all of them are fooled.
They are also easily herded. You can practically herd them into the mouths of coyotes.
They are also one of the dumbest animals on the planet. Count me as especially stupid for thinking I could walk contrary to the direction of the flock.
So go ahead and have your sex in church. You could even start your own church flock dedicated to your "divine" purposes. A cottage industry and religion all rolled into one. I'd recommend Nevada where it's easy to set up a chapel and to employ women. Devout pilgrims would flock in from all over the country to experience the glories of "in church" sex.
Best of luck, be sure to count your sheep and keep them away from coyotes and stray dogs. And have a glee filled and gloating afternoon.
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scuffy b
climber
Bates Creek
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Jun 21, 2007 - 01:48pm PT
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I'd be interested to see how I'd answer if the situation actually
came up, which seems somewhat unlikely.
Would I have a strong opinion then?
I guess it might depend how crowded the church is.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jun 21, 2007 - 04:25pm PT
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Gods sees me having sex everywhere else. Why not a church?
Anyhow, people build churches for people. God doesn't give a s**t about them.
Dave
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coiler
Trad climber
yosemite
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Jun 28, 2007 - 08:20pm PT
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Christians invade our lives every day. They tell us; no abotions, no booze, no homosexuality (I'm perfectly staight by the way),and the biggie... If I don't believe in their religion, HAW HAW, I'm going to THEIR hell!!! Whatafrikkin JOKE. Now, I'm just using these things as an example to get "Jennie" (and all the other "sheep")straight on how Christians invade everyone elses lives every day. Why Shouldn't we go into thier churches and get it on with my lady? They don't respect anyone elses rights!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2007 - 08:29pm PT
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Yup, I would.
Besides...is there a better place to scream "Oh God!" than in a church?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 28, 2007 - 09:07pm PT
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For God's sake....get a room! Do you really need to mock religion that badly? Go fuc$ somewhere in private, if you really need an audience, go to a park and get arrested for it. Oh, the decay of our society......ANIMALS!!!!
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 28, 2007 - 09:25pm PT
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I don't give a rat's ass what you believe in for the most part as long as you're not a criminal, but for all of you sincerely irreverant posters that are PC in any other category, your anti-Christian/churchgoer comments reek of hypocrisy. But I guess payback is a beotch for all those centuries of inquisition. I am of the opinion that most of you are being outrageous and just kidding around.
I have to ask (without starting a new thread) all you churchplukers, would you also jump to do it on a marble slab in a graveyard? I have to assume that would be a resounding yes. Apparently, graveyards are much more popular for this activity.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2007 - 09:31pm PT
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What's the big deal--as long as you don't spill any luv gravy on the pews?
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 28, 2007 - 09:37pm PT
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If you're addressing me dirtbag...I don't think I know you from the old days, so I don't have a good sense of your character past a point. Would you answer a fundamental question for me? Do you have respect for certain symbols at this time in your life?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 28, 2007 - 09:48pm PT
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Mimi, if I wasn't married....you're right on point, you're my kind of gal.
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 28, 2007 - 09:50pm PT
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What a nice compliment bluering.
Yeah, kids these days. Why I oughta.....!!!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2007 - 11:18pm PT
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Mimi, I'm just giving you and others a hard time.
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 28, 2007 - 11:22pm PT
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Just checking.
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mike
climber
shitsville, now
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Jun 28, 2007 - 11:54pm PT
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I used to go to a Buddhist Temple in Reno. Super hot chicks from UNR would show up to do some school type research. I'd occasionally walk out afterward thinking "what the hell was that sermon about"?
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 28, 2007 - 11:56pm PT
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Clownley, maybe you should get lost. Oh, I forgot. You already are.
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:07am PT
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:08am PT
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:09am PT
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 29, 2007 - 11:02pm PT
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Pretty sure she would have all us sinners stuffed in an oven if she could...
Baawhahahahahaha LOL
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grover
Social climber
Akanada
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Jun 29, 2007 - 11:49pm PT
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She has!
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2007 - 01:43am PT
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ditto stich. that poster is mean.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2007 - 02:07am PT
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havn't heard that one. but, i think you should sue and retire.
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Mimi
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Jun 30, 2007 - 05:08pm PT
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No surprise that you'd adore Rimjob, AC. He preceded you on the ST being an ass and obnoxious. Kindred clowns, Rimjob and AC. How quaint.
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 30, 2007 - 05:50pm PT
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What makes you so certain Clownley? The only thing I know about a rimjob is that it's a great name for little Roger. And what would you know about the American way, Truther?
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Mimi
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Jun 30, 2007 - 06:23pm PT
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If you haven't noticed, AC, this thread is about sex in church. I should've known better than responding to your comment. No one screws up a thread better than you, Clownley.
You obviously aren't working these days so why the hell aren't you in the Valley this weekend for the 50th anniversary party? I thought you were a climber.
Why not, he behaves the same way. What's curious is that he changed his ID slightly. I missed the threads where this was discussed. What's that all about Rimjob? Did the old Rimjob get banned or something?
And what part of rat's ass don't you get Roger? It's about respect, fool. Something you know nothing about. That's why you were run from here in the first place.
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 30, 2007 - 06:43pm PT
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"Mimi,
You are a fraud, and this is clear.
I worked from 7an till noon today, and cleared $1500.00.
Whether you believe this or not is moot, since you are an idiot.
I did not invite your comments, so please quit humping my leg...
Bitch.
(Stupid f*#king Repubs never say anything substantive)."
Alright, Clownley! What a classic. hahahaha! I had to capture this post before you edit or delete it. You definitely prompted a comment. You've got a load of credits in that regard. In comparitive time spent here, I've posted more dialogue to your pitiful empty links by far.
Good to see you're back at work and supporting the economy. Me wondering about whether you're working these days doesn't exactly make me a fraud. Due to the endless time you spend here, several people have asked you what you do all day besides buggering STers. And what's so bad about asking about the 50th NWF party? If I lived in Davis, I'd be there yesterday.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 30, 2007 - 06:45pm PT
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$1500 in five hours?
Did it involve a felony?
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 30, 2007 - 06:58pm PT
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Clownley, can't you ever be original? You're the frenetic leghumper remember? Why not start your own Truther blog and get lost!
Rimjob, you deliver such weak sauce.
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 30, 2007 - 07:11pm PT
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Clownley, I'm not a fascist nor am I Italian. So what gives! Go read a book about Islamic history or something.
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Mimi
climber
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Jun 30, 2007 - 07:48pm PT
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No Clownley, I don't register much on the stupid meter and I don't have to prove anything to you. Your continuous heckling of me and others that began shortly after you showed up convinced me to not bother trying to carry on any meaningful dialogue with you. Usually, it's not worth the effort to call you on it, sometimes it is. Either way, you continue to prove yourself a bitter fool. You are a sad and troubled little man.
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coiler
Trad climber
yosemite
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Jun 30, 2007 - 08:01pm PT
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Please everybody, obviously were getting off topic... Mimi was mad because we're not all good Christians, and by saying we would have sex in the christian sanctuary we're going to hell. Let's not get too far from the discussion. Mimi, Christians are shoving their religion down all of our throats every day, frankly I don't care for it. If the christians would just go ahead and practice their religion in their homes (or churches)and keep it out of my life, I would leave their churches off of my list of places to get it on with my girl. But, now that I know it would piss them off, it's even more tempting. I'm pro stem cell research, abortion, gay marraige, FREEDOM OF CHOICE! I don't care if you don't like it, but in America we have a right to persue happiness. If you don't like it feel free to leave, but dammit, keep your beliefs to yourself allready!....Every time you shove your beliefs down the American throat, you desicrate my "shrine"... America is my sacred place, and you Christians are in it every day desicrating it by rubbing my nose in what you think... So, why not desicrate your place of worship with some love goo, at least when I do it, it's only every once in a while not every freakin' day... OR in the Whitehouse. Christians: pray in peace, but please, stop running around the planet telling everyone how to live!! Remember, how we worship is a freedom we all get to chose in America!! As it turns out, we're not all Christian. Leave it alone already!!! Keep your religion to yourself!! SEPERATE GOVERNMENT FROM RELIGION!!! We are not a Christian Country, despite what that lying sack of sh#t GW Bush, or what Christans like Mimi believe!!!..... Now my subbie is wrapping me in my cloak and helping me off stage (I mean my soapbox!)... Thank you very much!
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Mimi
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Jun 30, 2007 - 08:29pm PT
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No, Rimjob, I didn't call you that. You obviously haven't read the earlier posts.
Hey coiler, long time no see. Hope all is well with you and that you're still cranking and enjoying the Valley.
Despite what you believe I believe, you've put words in my mouth. My only point was about respect for other's beliefs. I would've responded the same way if it was a synagogue, a mosque, or some other temple. I simply think it's inappropriate to desecrate places that symbolize a higher place to other people. If you're not religious, why mess with someone elses scene to have sex of all things? Is it that much more of a turn on doing it in such a place? The Las Vegas sex church idea has some merit. I feel sorry for people who need such props. Something else is missing in there sex (love) lives.
If you read my ealier posts, I was joking about spooks and getting the creeps from having deities 'watching' the action. I totally relate to your feelings about Christian domination and misuse of perceived power with regard to separation of church and state. I used to get into it with the grocery store managers in the south over the alcohol blue laws being unconstitutional and we don't need to revisit the trouble I got into recently for criticizing Mother Teresa!
Anyway, I see you feel very strongly about Christians dictating aspects of our lives. I personally think it's overblown and while I won't deny being Christian, I really don't practice a religion or know what to believe about God, etc., that's why I dig talking to Werner so much. I do honor the true message of that guy Jesus. Too bad it got so corrupted by a bunch of greedy men in power.
Hope to crack a brew with you in September! Be safe out there.
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coiler
Trad climber
yosemite
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Mimi, I was mistaken as well. We do agree on a few of the Items. Unfortunately, most religions are being shoved down our throat. Here in America it's Christianity. If we were in the Middle East it would be Islam. Don't these religions preach peace? Where do people loose sight of these messages? Why can't they just live the message and not try to covert every one around them. That's why I said I would have sex in a church, just 'cause, Christians are pissing me off so much right now!
Anyhoo, I'll see you for those beers! We'll talk about it more!
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2007 - 03:09pm PT
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well, my question was assuming that no one would get caught... meaning that those who might be offended, wouldn't know. so, i don't understand how people feel like it would be desecrating the space if no one who felt like it was being desecrated knew about it... if my lover and i were the only two people on the planet who knew, what would be the harm? i'm not saying i would go into a church with the intention of um, having "relations" there, but, if my lover and i were there already and the spirit overtook us, and i knew no one would catch us or find out, then hell yea.
SorryI'veBeenBusyPracticingWitchcraftAndBecomingALesbianEdit:
it's kind of like that age old question about the tree falling in the forest and is there anyone to hear it.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Only if it was with my mother and a bunch of Dwarfs......Or your Mother, why would a church matter?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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If I have sex in a church, synagogue, mosque I destroy my own spiritual and psychological fiber irregardless of whether or not the parishoners or priests know about it. Once again, it's a respect issue. And respect is definitley a spiritual quality. Discrete and blatant disrespect has karmaic consequences to the mind and spirit the perpetrator.
What if someone gets a moments thrill from having sex on their neighbors dining room table when their neighbor is away---same thing. The neighbor may never know but the perpetrator destroys the integrity of their own spiritual self by tying disrespect into their sex act.
Inappropriate doesn't become appropriate simply because no one is around.
Disrespecting others space or spiritual sanctuary when they KNOW about it is also a SOCIAL ETHICS issue. But disrespect, even when no one else knows about it, still has consequences to our OWN spiritual and mental health, and if you will, to our karma. My tresspass on your space or sanctuary may not destroy YOU but it destroys my own self integrity. Sex in a church won't take a gram away from the Almighty but it deforms my own spiritual and moral footprint by the willing act of contempt against that which others consider sacred.
But myself, being spiritually blind, I won't see the connection or understand why I'm beset with depression, paranoia and rage.
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MikeL
climber
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Coiler complains about religious people when they prostelyze to others. If that's the complaint, then life must be miserable. Just who, in this day and age, is not selling something? Aren't the anti-religious selling something here also? (But let's not be consistent or logical about this, huh?)
"Tu Quoqui."
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MikeL
climber
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It depends.
In Tibet the unification of religious belief and government was working really well.
It's all in the execution. A great many ideas are worthy of belief and support--if properly implemented. That's the issue, isn't it? You need to understand the issues, not just throw around the terms as though they say everything.
An insitution with laws but without a soul is a dead community. You need the heart and the head, and they need to be connected.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 04:06pm PT
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k jenny, what if it was a super liberal church that probly wouldn't care, like a unitarian universalist church? or the parish hall at my grandma's super liberal church? some people feel that that act is like using your body as a vessel for god's light.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Yeah it's a Vessel for something........
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scuffy b
climber
Bates Creek
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Is being beset with depression, paranoia and rage considered to
be a typical aftereffect?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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k jenny, what if it was a super liberal church that probly wouldn't care, like a unitarian universalist church? or the parish hall at my grandma's super liberal church? some people feel that that act is like using your body as a vessel for god's light.
Standing Strong,
I knew most Unitarians opt for a less structured interpretation of Christianity. I wasn't aware of their exact opinions of sex in church. I'm thinking most sects, Christian or not, would discourage the practice. But you're right, where there is no rule or convention against it, a tresspass or descecration cannot be defined. I'm sure you know that one's body can be used as a vessel for God's light without sex in church.
In some sects, the priests or pastors have their living quarters inside the church building complex and have their wives living with them. So, obviously, sex would be proper, in that context, within a church building. I was suggesting that sex in the chapel or inner shrine of the building was improper, and that people who get a thrill from flaunting the descecration of a shrine were in error. Freedom of religion is supposedly a right and descecrating the holy places of someone else' faith offends that right. But those who DO believe "sex in church" is proper, in their own places of worship, can invoke the freedom of religion argument to their beliefs also.
Were probably not going to agree 100% on this but I appreciate your sincerity on the issue.
Is being beset with depression, paranoia and rage considered to be a typical aftereffect?
Scuffy,
I wrote that in the context of, if I, deliberately and with "malice of forthought" attempt to descecrate the shrine of others, not those individuals who may do it innocently.
A premise of Freudian Projection doctrine is that people attribute their own undesirable traits onto others, e.g. An aggresive person sees others as being hostile, a cheater sees everyone else as dishonest, an adulter constantly accuses his wife of being unfaithful---we project our own thoughts, feelings and actions onto others and blame them for traits that we really have ourselves.
From that premise, paranoia and depression can be predicted in individuals who exhibit or profess a desire to descecrate the sanctity of churches, sanctuaries, holy places etc. (Of course that goes beyond just the context of sex, as you see people in the middle east destroying places that are holy to their enemies). Predicting rage can be more scetchy. Aggressive, angry people are more prone to develop fits of rage from their own paranoia and depression.
Those who innocently "tresspass" on others can be held culpable by the law (in theory), but I doubt they can be considered guilty MORALLY. If they unknowingly tresspass a so called sanctuary or holy place they may feel some guilt for having offended others but aren't likely to develop paranoia or long term depression as a result of their action.
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 30, 2008 - 10:34pm PT
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Absolutely!
Can we start now?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Dec 30, 2008 - 10:36pm PT
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Why ? When you have the whole great outdoors....
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 30, 2008 - 10:37pm PT
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Well, it ain't so much about where..........
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wtfd
climber
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Dec 30, 2008 - 10:47pm PT
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i got a blowjob in a church once....then again, I wasnt there to worship.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Dec 30, 2008 - 10:50pm PT
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im not much of an exhibitionist, but if the opportunity presented itself i probably would. I can't really imagine such a thing happening without it being a bit contrived though. The foolishness of doing it in a church just for the sake of having done so would probably be the biggest obstacle for me.
The idea that it would be morally wrong somehow doesnt wash with me-- even as a Christian I am pretty sure that God would be ok with it since it was all His idea to begin with. There are plenty of self righteous religious ideologues who would be affronted...and that is a price I would be more than willing to pay.People like that are responsible for the deterioration of people's faith and the overall disdain for all things spiritual. Perhaps it's not all their fault but they are a large part of the problem.
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apogee
climber
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Dec 30, 2008 - 11:11pm PT
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My immediate reaction was wtf, then after a bit more thought, no. I don't really subscribe to any kind of organized religion, and I do have respect for many people who do (as long as they allow it to guide their own lives, and not proselytize). Churches are very important places to those people, and the only reason I can think of to have sex there would be to rub something in their faces. They'd have to really piss me off to get me to that point.
On second thought, the Mormon Temple might be kinda cool...
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Dec 31, 2008 - 12:03am PT
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Back to the sex in a church question.
My answer is yes.
I would prefer the hetero variety. Not that there is anything wrong with the other variety.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Dec 31, 2008 - 12:22am PT
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" and the only reason I can think of to have sex there would be to rub something in their faces. They'd have to really piss me off to get me to that point. "
"On second thought, the Mormon Temple might be kinda cool..."
Curious the inventive fantasy humans will employ to instigate blood flow to their private parts
.............then rationalize it as moral sanction.
Perhaps one day they'll fashion proud hallucinations promoting blood flow to the brain.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 31, 2008 - 12:46am PT
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turns out i HAVE had sex in a church.
wtf??
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apogee
climber
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Dec 31, 2008 - 12:57am PT
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Jennie-
Yeah, I figured that might get your skivvies in a twist- and it only took 1:11 for you to notice!
"Moral sanction"- your characterization, no doubt borne of hypersensitivity to Mormon criticism and an engrained attitude of the perception of being perpetually oppressed.
For the record, I won't have sex under the glorious gold-lined ceilings of the Mormon Temple. But if there has ever been a proselytizing religion that might tempt me, Mormonism would be in the top 3.
Signed, apogee
(Yet another oppressor of the Mormons, and yet another reason Mormons will go to heaven while the rest of us writhe around in agony here on earth.)
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 31, 2008 - 03:11am PT
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t*r, you may be confusing yourself with someone else with the pen name "Standing Strong". That's ok - much of the thread is interesting, witty, or both.
We never did settle on a definition of 'church'.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Dec 31, 2008 - 03:17am PT
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If the moment strikes, for you ( "you" is a multiple, personnel pronoun,) in the real way, it is, of course, church!
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Dec 31, 2008 - 03:26am PT
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nutjob
Stoked OW climber
San Jose, CA
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Dec 31, 2008 - 05:38am PT
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Jennie, irregardless is not a word.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Dec 31, 2008 - 05:45am PT
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With the right woman.. Anything she wants, any time she wants
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Shimanilami
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Dec 31, 2008 - 10:42am PT
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Although it is considered poor form, "irregardless" is in fact a word.
Sex in a church? The church near the house I grew up in kept its doors open 24/7 and was heated. In my hayday, I had sex, dropped acid, snorted lines ... you name it ... in that church. I was respectful, of course. I didn't want to blow it for future generations.
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wtfd
climber
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Dec 31, 2008 - 11:17am PT
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well, my lack of morals was indeed with a woman, a chick i was dating that had a blowjob fetish. dig deep and truthfully tell me you would push a woman away that was already down there going to buisness.
be it a zoo, a tabernacle, a pub, behind a dumpster, during a long walk on the beach, or sitting at a candle lit dinner...WTF! you only live once right? carpe diem I say, or carpe pig tails and glory be the highest!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Dec 31, 2008 - 02:48pm PT
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"Jennie-
Yeah, I figured that might get your skivvies in a twist- and it only took 1:11 for you to notice! "
"Moral sanction"- your characterization, no doubt borne of hypersensitivity to Mormon criticism and an engrained attitude of the perception of being perpetually oppressed."
You're questioning the neutrality of my post? I see......
Mormon criticism? Your post was intentional, gratuitous offense. I hinted at being annoyed, sir......I don't believe I suggested I was a holocaust survivor.
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Dec 31, 2008 - 02:54pm PT
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In a church! I have a hard of enough time if the damn cat is in the room (which is when I duct tape his eyes shut).
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apogee
climber
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Dec 31, 2008 - 02:55pm PT
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"I don't believe I suggested being a holocaust survivor."
Huh? Man, that's a strong association you have created there.
Untwist the knickers, Jennie.
To avoid further thread drift, I'm done posting about this stuff on this thread. Feel free to start a thread devoted to the topic, and we'll see where it goes from there.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
http://tinyurl.com/4oa5br
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Dec 31, 2008 - 03:33pm PT
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I took a dump in a church once.
Right there at I-50 and Bradshaw, you see it everytime you drive to Tahoe.
Nice fixtures, but too many swirls.
You know how it takes 3 or 4 laps to get a 3 lb Brown Trout to go down, well, this place took 6 or 7 swirls , but it was a real paint peeler.
Hey, you try puttin a 2 day old south shore prime rib buffet on top of a three day old Round Table skinny crust pepperoni and see what comes out your mud maker.
Broke into St. Simons over on Grant and Fremont a ton of times.
All my candles?
You guessed it.
Red fixtures everywhere, I'm goin to Hell in a bio degradable coffin I saw at the Green Festival.
Went thru SFO the other day, the guy starts pattin me down, I say, "Hey. your not a priest!"
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 31, 2008 - 07:12pm PT
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Damn the torpedoes and pass the condoms.
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nutjob
Stoked OW climber
San Jose, CA
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Dec 31, 2008 - 08:28pm PT
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OK shimmy, irregardless is a word in the sense that enough people use it to grant it some status, and I must acknowledge that languages evolve in response to common usage and understanding.
However, I would not hire someone who used the word irregardless if they were in any way responsible for presenting a professional or educated image for an organization.
But I guess it works to show religious faith and sentiments. I am religious and sentimental too, just in different ways.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Dec 31, 2008 - 09:00pm PT
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Nutjob,
Yes, it was poor choice of word. But the post was made 18 months ago, I can't edit it.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
http://tinyurl.com/4oa5br
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Dec 31, 2008 - 11:03pm PT
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Would you have sex with Jeeezus?
or just go wall climbing instead?
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 31, 2008 - 11:14pm PT
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You mean it's knott the same thing?
Dammit.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 31, 2008 - 11:51pm PT
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not again.
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 31, 2008 - 11:56pm PT
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only with a chupacabra.
Maybe.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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believe me...if you'd had sex with a chupacabre in church, you wouldn't do it again..
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Church , the wilderness, here, there, the back of my van, it's all the house of god.
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