Trump threads continue to get locked here quicker than Ondra is sending the Dawn Wall

This rings just like the French revolution. Let them eat cake.

Basically I'd like to have some idea of why it was locked because I certainly didn't see any reason for it. Anyone?

If this forum is any indication, I'll kill myself before I hit my 60s.

his guy pretty much captured my view.

How much will it cost him to buy his way out of the child rape case next month?

If this forum is any indication, I'll kill myself before I hit my 60s.

"Trump threads continue to get locked here quicker than Ondra is sending the Dawn Wall. I, like many in libtard circles, had been in a happy but naive multi-cultural neo-liberal bubble where the biggest issue in the last year was where do the trannies go pee?!"

I knew what we were getting with Hillary, a moderate.

With Trump you better get ready for a wild ride.

Getting your "info" from leftwing think tanks could be why your delusional bob

“Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

Worth rereading Lord Jim and Lord of the Flies.

Why it happened by the numbers is because the American left thought Hillary was obviously going to win, so they didn't get out and vote.

can you explain how the dems moved from the jackboots of socialism to the butthurt masses?

We'll find out soon enough if he really is outside the ring of deplorables, if he was play acting, or if the ring of deplorables is unbreakable.

Inside the beltway resides a coven of deplorables.

Trump met with a series of men — and one woman — who may be under consideration for high-level appointments...

...which also included Ari Emanuel, the prominent Hollywood agent and brother of President Obama’s former White House chief of staff, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

“Great guy. Great friend of mine,” Trump said.

“There are so many diplomatic, political, even national security risks in having the president own a whole bunch of properties all over the world,” said Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush.

“If we’ve got to talk to a foreign government about their behavior, or negotiate a treaty, or some country asks us to send our troops in to defend someone else, we’ve got to make a decision. And the question becomes: Are we going in out of our national interest or because there’s a Trump casino around?” Painter added.

President-elect turns away intelligence briefers

Analysts planned to give Donald Trump daily updates after he won, but he has made time for just two classified briefings — fewer than most of his predecessors. “Trump has a lot of catching up to do” on security issues, a senior official said.

Don't worry! Trump is the Pillsbury Doughboy


(CNN)Lawyers often practice a second occupation: psychiatrist to their worried friends and family. 2016 has been a banner year for any "counselor at law" like me with a strong side-interest in politics.

This year, I want to share -- in the interests of a peaceful Thanksgiving feast for all -- a message I have conveyed to my apoplectic liberal and "progressive" friends, who are shaking in fear at the prospect of the Trump inauguration.
Donald Trump is not going to blow up the world.
He is not going turn America into the Third Reich, nor is he going to doom minorities, women, gays and transgender people to a life of hatred, gloom and despair.
He is not anti-Semitic. His daughter, Ivanka converted to Judaism before marrying his loved and respected orthodox Jewish son-in-law, Jared Kushner. In fact, I predict Trump's presidency will be a reign of moderation, because — to borrow from of one of the many impressive balloons that will float above the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade --Trump is the Pillsbury Doughboy. And the Doughboy gets the baking done.

Like our doughboy, Trump has no rigid ideological core. The lack of this trait was the thing most right-wing conservatives feared about him throughout the early days of the primary season. In fact even President Obama, while graciously offering a note of optimism regarding the Trump presidency, observed that Trump is a "pragmatist and not an ideologue."
Trump's flexible political ideology helped Hillary and Bill Clinton snag front-row seats at Trump's third wedding in 2005, that time to our soon-to-be first lady, Melania Trump. Bill and Hillary were not forced to endure any self-righteous sermons regarding the proper political philosophy, like those inflicted on soon-to-be Vice President Mike Pence recently when he attended the Broadway show "Hamilton." On the contrary, Trump was a major supporter of Democratic Party causes in those years. Democrats in attendance needed no lectures.
And just as a side note: Republicans don't get divorced and remarried three times. Two appears to be the maximum number of marriages permitted (see Ronald Reagan.)

During his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump was defensive about his earlier relationship with the Clintons and other Democrats. He repeatedly brushed off such criticism, saying that after all he was a businessman just trying to survive in the bluest of all blue cities, New York.
In his earlier years, he donated heavily to Democratic causes and candidates; he supported increased taxes on the wealthy, was pro-choice on abortion, praised universal health care, supported gun restrictions and eventually even registered to vote as a Democrat.

Trump didn't do this because he was really a Democrat, and his reversal of position on all of these issues doesn't indicate he is now really a Republican. He is actually the Pillsbury Doughboy as he has always been (please see photo above).
He changes position and shape like malleable dough being prepared for diverse molds in a variety of baking pans. He adapts to the situation at hand to get the "deal" done. Donald Trump's true ideology is the "Art of the Deal," as he called his book, even though his co-author claims Trump didn't write a single word of it. It does appear that Trump has read the book, though, as he cites its principles so often.

To get the "deal done" in American politics, Trump will have to move to the middle because that's where deals are made. The middle is where consensus occurs. In business as in politics the parties often begin their negotiations with Trumpish bluster, threats and unreasonable demands. But in the end, for the deal to be done, compromise on both sides leads inexorably to the middle, which in politics is the moderate position. Trump would not have succeeded in business if he wasn't well aware and adept at compromising to achieve his goals.

In American politics, there once were moderate Republicans known as "Rockefeller Republicans" later referred to more derisively as "RINOS" (Republicans in name only). Their Democrat counterparts were "Scoop Jackson" Democrats and "Blue Dog" Democrats. These breeds were to die off as the "tea party" Republicans took over the Republican Party, imposing conservative purity and strict religious belief requirements, while the "progressives" transformed the Democratic Party into something more Sandanista than Jacksonian.
Trump instinctively recognized that the American public was fed up with these extremes and yearned for a President who could get things done. He was elected not because of his personality and bombast, but in spite of it. Unlike other politicians, he was willing to say and do anything to persuade the old silent majority coalition that he was the man for the job.

In the end, his understanding of the business world will enable him to recognize that the road to presidential success lies in getting "the deal" done. And the deal lies in the dead center of American politics, the place where moderates live. The place where "Nothin says lovin like something from the oven."
That's why Trump will be in the Macy's Parade. He's the political equivalent of the Pillsbury Doughboy. And the American people pretty much all love hot rolls fresh from the oven. No gluten in New York, though. Happy Thanksgiving.

Stranded humpback whale in New York is euthanized


After spending days stuck in shallow waters off the coast of Long Island, a humpback whale grew sicker and thinner.

Veterinarians euthanized the 20-ton creature Wednesday afternoon in Moriches Bay as crowds gathered, some crying over the dying whale.
Humpback whales could be the superheroes of the ocean

The whale had become "minimally responsive" and had signs of "neurological abnormalities and extensive skin injuries with evidence of infection."
"Based upon these findings, the most humane option was to euthanize the whale since its chance of surviving in the wild was minimal," according to a joint veterinary team from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and private researchers.

As it turns out, the certain things are often 'dictated' by tradition. That's not American. Throw those f*#king traditions out in the rubbish.

Can't stop progress.

Getting your "info" from leftwing think tanks could be why your delusional bob

CW, polarization is the problem. Being judgemental, elitist, prejudiced, and at the far end of things is hateful.

When we are polarized, etc. we have been played and made useful by someone or some group. We will all be more conscious and more free when we get beyond that kind of simple thinking.

Be free thinking and, at least on some level, accepting of the direction the majority was going and whatever you do, don't try to use anger or hate to resist what was happening...

Esco,
The recount is just about Stein assuaging her guilt that her running cost HRC the election.

Only time will tell...I see nothing but more gridlock

Perhaps. But this is what I foresaw if HRC were elected and the house and senate remained Republican, Bob. A continuation of the party of "No". I think the chances of gridlock are less now, but all we can do is wait and see. Of course, congressional actions taken might not be to your liking!

Why was Trump elected? Two reasons:

1. The Democrats failed to understand the widespread disdain for Hillary, even within the Democratic Party. Large numbers of hardcore Democrats failed to get out an vote because they were not motivated by the party's nominee.

2. Almost all of the other Americans are ignorant bigots. That's not meant to be an insult. It's just a statement of fact, devoid of any connotation.

Some fifteen thousand unborn, of both sexes, held a celebratory Thanksgiving Prayer Vigil in the Trump Tower Public Area Lobby Tuesday morning. The crowd caused Mr. Trump to postpone the potentially explosive meeting with "the loser NYT", according to Mr. Trump's weedy d#@&%e nozzle, KellyAnne Conway.

A potential fall hazard posed by thousands of liters of amniotic fluid was swept and vacuumed off the Brazilian marble flooring by a largely Hispanic minimum wage work force. "White people won't do that sort of work, we've found", Ms. Conway explained. By explaining the scores of dark people, a demographic not commonly seen near Mr. Trump, Ms. Conway appeared to be trying to calm the trigger-happy Alt.right security detail, who, some say, remind them of the grim, suit-and-tie, "Fruit of Islam" guards of Malcolm X, only all-white.

On the sidewalk out front of Trump Tower, shivering in the thirty-eight degree wind, were scores of recently-born infants, many having had no pre-natal care because of anticipatory Medicaid cuts, and damn' well looking the part. These pint-sized protesters propped up tiny signs expressing their criticism of Trump's white man platform.

A stocky skinhead Trump-guard next to this reporter was spitting into his lapel mike, asking for water cannon to be diverted from North Dakota to meet the threat posed by "this bunch of whiners...paid professionals".

"Answer: "It's HILLARY, STUPID!"

I can just see all the white boys now, lining up to harvest produce in the Imperial Valley for minimum wage when it is 110 degrees.

If they got to do it without paying taxes or social security

She's not a winner, never has been.

It has been estimated that illegal immigrants have generally depressed average earnings among the lower income by about 4-6%. Some of this is due to lower wages and some is due to higher unemployment of native workers. Of course the amount is much higher in certain trades and locations. Meatcutters at Tyson chicken made much less after Tyson started busing in illegals.

There is an overall gain to the economy of employing illegals. Most of that gain goes to the employers. The middle class roughly breaks even due to lower prices made possible by lower wages. The lower income class bears most of the burden.

Remove the free picnic and the ants will leave.

Canada had to recently suspend our jolly guest worker program because Canadian businesses used these people for everything else beyond the original work and housing agreement.

The courts were made aware of passport confiscation, with holding of pay and guest employees having to cook and clean off the clock, at their employer's house where they were billeted.

Incredibly, it was Big Steve and his Fundamentalist Christian Conservative Party that couldn't continue to bear the embarrassment.

Esco is now advocating for legislated intervention of a free market. You Libertarians must enjoy playing Musical Chairs when no one else is looking.

TRIBUNE’S VOICE Wednesday, September 8. 1965 MADERA DAILY TRIBUNE Page 4 ‘A-Team Program Botch-Up’
A good many people won’t quarrel with the aid government lias given the farmer, but a California Farm Bureau writer feels that the !'• S. Department of Labor should of stayed home this year when it “helped out” in the A-Team farm labor program. At least this is the general feeling §he found among growers participating in the A-Team (Athletes in Temporary Employment as Agricultural Manpower) program. The California Farm Bureau Monthly this month presents a factual account of the program’s operation in this state in the Stockton. Salinas and Blythe areas where the majority of the teams were employed. As the story tells, the Labor Department not only jumped on the bandwagon of California’s two-year-old program of employing youths in agriculture. “but also took over the driver’s seat without knowing the first thing about handling the vehicle. The result was a bungle which has left some growers as well as some A-Team members very bitter.” Complaints against the program listed in the article include: • The Labor Department did not take advantage of the experience the state has had in operating such a program. • Recruiters oversold the program to the young people. And growers were forced to take the A-Teams in order to meet criteria for the foreign supplemental labor they might need at a later date. • The A-Team program became one vehicle to be used by the Department of Labor in a “crash” program to prove that there are ample domestic people available to do farm labor. • A-Team members interviewed said they had been led to believe that this was a recreational as well as a work program that recreational facilities would be provided and that participants would be coached in sports. • Students were led to believe they would be guaranteed $1.40 per hour* regardless of their production. (In Salinas. after a training and trial period during which they received $l-40 per liour. A-Team members were placed on tpe going piece rate of $1 per flat of Worries. This the students didn’t like.) • Although they understood their food would cost $2.2.") per day. some
said they didn’t realize this was to be deducted from their wages. All interviewed said they hadn’t been told that insurance costs (social security, state disability and off-the-job medical insurance) would be deducted from their pay. • The youngsters said they didn’t feel that living conditions and food measured up to what they had been led to believe they would receive. • The growers were told they would receive junior and senior high school athletes accompanied by their coaches. They say they were also led to believed by the Labor Department personnel that if they cooperated in the A-Team program, they would also receive braceros this season. “Growers will tell you now that they were double-crossed on both counts.” • Growers had to foot the entire bill on the A-Team program, and it has been an extremely costly venture. • The productivity of the A-Teams w r as not on a par with the average qualified farm worker. Nat Scatena. president of the Stockton Growers’ Group, Inc., which managed the teams for growers in the Stockton area, ranked their productivity at 5b per cent of-that, of a qualified farm worker- • Salinas Strawberries will have lost about $75,000 out-of-pocket costs on this program by the end of the season. • Blythe Growers, Inc., estimates growers’ costs will run between $35,000 and $40,000 exclusive of wages and supervisory, state compensation and social security costs. • Dan Riggi, supervisor for the J & A Farms in Blythe, said his firm lost 40 per cent of its cantaloupes in the field. This year’s workers, including A-Teams, left that many melons behind in the fields, • The attrition rate among A-Team members was extremely high, one team quitting after three days and another after five. In summarizing her findings, writer Betty Yater wrote; “All-in-all. the A-Team program in California can only be described as a botch. California agriculture and the Farm Labor Division have a real job on their hands if they are to salvage their youth farm worker program for future years after the setback the nrocram received this year at the hands of the 11. S. Department of Labor.”

Esco, These are just people trying to live a decent life. Give em a break. Usually, they will be paying into witholdings that they will never collect. You do know the largest welfare by dollar figure is corporate welfare...don't you?

you heard it here, from the 2%.

Until you, and others like you, come to grips with the reality that you just want to redistribute wealth, your "conversation" is just the echo you hear coming back to you.

Yeah, everybody should be able to rise to their capacity and determination. And, everybody should pay their fair share for eating at the buffet.

I like roads, bridges, schools, libraries, national parks, auto safety standards, electrical wiring standards, using licensed contractors, and such.

Great posting ,right there,all three of you.

I figure I've gotten a lot of opportunities that I wouldn't have if I'd been born elsewhere. Somebody paid for that stuff that ended up benefitting me and now it's my turn to pay it forward. My leanings are libertarian, but I'm enough of a grownup to know true liberty only exists in relation to the responsibility we're willing to take exercising it.

Otherwise, we're cons and gaming the system taking more than we're giving.

The same must be true of Reince Priebus, the Republican National Committee chair whom Trump tapped as his chief of staff. “When that 3 a.m. phone call comes, Americans deserve to have a president on the line who is not compromised by foreign donations,” Priebus said earnestly in a statement on Aug. 18.

Priebus, you would think, believes this even more strongly about a president whose enterprises might reap direct profits for himself or members of his family from foreign businesses or governments. Priebus must thus be hard at work right now on a plan for Trump to sell off his assets.

I like roads, bridges, schools, libraries, national parks, auto safety standards, electrical wiring standards, using licensed contractors, and such.

In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally

...

Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California - so why isn't the media reporting on this? Serious bias - big problem!

If Cuba is unwilling to make a better deal for the Cuban people, the Cuban/American people and the U.S. as a whole, I will terminate deal.

with no loopholes/no exceptions would be around 10-12% to bring government incomes to their current levels.

On taxes, yeah, you pay too much. I'm usually around 30%

You sure seem to really like being pissed off.

It was white people, across all swaths of class, household income, education, and gender.

It was white people, across all swaths of class, household income, education, and gender.

I just find it humorous to listen to the butt hurt masses try to advocate for theft and wealth redistribution when its been proven time and again that those strategies have the opposite effect.

More government "control" equates to more special interest group advantages and more crony capitalism. Republicans and Democrats are equal in that regard, the only thing that changes are which special interest groups benefit.

HYPOCRITICALHILLIARY!

You've been conned, bigly.

This has NOT been the experience in many actual socalistic societies, where the standard of living is higher, the life expectancy is longer, and people are happier. (and die less from gunshots)

Well, in that case, why don't you run off to one of those societies and leave the rest of us to our own devices. Plenty to choose from, and oddly people are still immigrating from them to the USA. But by all means, you head over there and report back.