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Adventurer
Mountain climber
Virginia
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:28am PT
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:34am PT
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Please - do the right thing and delete you first post.
Thank you, Happiegrrrl2!
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:34am PT
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:36am PT
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++ and pretty please.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:38am PT
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Man, I'm about the last one to play internet police (I prefer to let the as#@&%es expose themselves for what they are, for all to see), but "tasteless" doesn't even start to describe that, just get rid of it.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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I've never met anyone who hadn't put their foot down their throat occasionally..especially me...However one of the nice things about this message board is that you can take it back once realized.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 27, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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Count me in and I haven't even checked out the offending thread.
There are enough solid voices of experienced posters to ST here pleading for its removal, people whom I've met and whose opinions I respect, that I feel confident that I will never be tempted because the right thing was done.
Think, "How would my folks take something like that?"
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PhilG
Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
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Dec 27, 2015 - 10:20am PT
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Agree with my friends.
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cintune
climber
Bruce Berry's Econoline Van
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Dec 27, 2015 - 10:26am PT
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Yes.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 27, 2015 - 10:37am PT
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It is interesting that a sometimes scandalous climber that passed away this week receives more respect in death than this exceptional woman.
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MarkWestman
Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
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Dec 27, 2015 - 10:39am PT
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I clicked on that thread yesterday expecting to read something humorous, because the phrase in the thread title typically is utilized for something humorous and embarrassing. Instead there's a link to a story about the death of a friend, somebody I actually knew. I had already heard about Kei's accident but to see it shared with this sort of flippant disrespect was nearly as much of a gut punch as hearing about it the first time.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Dec 27, 2015 - 12:45pm PT
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kunlun_shan, ..I am still hoping that TGT will man-up and delete the post on his own accord.
I personally think ..That people who act so unthinking...cannot empathize with others and put themselves in someones else's shoes...that said..
Mark Westman, sincere condolences out to you ....and Kai's Mom and Dad, family and friends.
Saludos...
Nita..
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Dec 27, 2015 - 01:17pm PT
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You never know. Someone put up a picture of a Special Olympics competitor, complete with a sardonic, belittling comment (MT. Project if I recall), I emailed him and asked him very nicely to remove the post. I assumed he'd reply with the usual dimwitted, macho, shithead attitude of HTFU - but he apologized profusely and took the post down.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 27, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
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I doubt that TGT will delete his post voluntarily, he has cultivated his STForum persona as being an "iconoclast," the icon being what he perceives the sensibilities of the STForum. This includes what he probably considers "political correctness" and his view that all speech is protected and valid.
I also have no doubt that he found the presumed circumstances of the accident to be "ironic" and the opportunity to both feature what he thought was this clever irony and to poke at the sensibilities of the STForum crew (which I cannot believe he couldn't foresee) was too much to resist.
My memory of similar accidents, I think a US K2 expedition lost a member who untied and removed their harness, to another long faded memory of someone who left the tent unteathered, in their boot liners and never returned, and probably others I am unaware of, highlight the hostility of the environment which we often find ourselves in, actually drawn too, and only serve as a caution, a warning, to be ever vigilant. That the most mundane of tasks are fraught with peril.
So I view TGT's post as being largely what I would expect from him, a deliberate insensitivity and needless provocation at the expense of a fellow fallen climber, and the partners, friends and family of that climber.
TGT no doubt will harden in his resolve not to give in to the STForum protest to his post. He views it as his individual right and an affront to his personal liberty to post whatever he wants to whatever end irregardless of the sentiment of the community of climbers of whom he considers himself a part. Even more so if he can rile up that community.
The post stands as a monument to TGT and his particular views. It is unfortunate for the STForum, it is unfortunate for the climbing community, but it clearly portrays TGT's character.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
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I take it that "Gallows Humor" no longer has a place in the new world of sensitivity?
Thanks for letting me know. I grew up with the Skydiving crowd before I met the Climber society. We had jokes aplenty about "good to the last drop", "blue sky- black death" and "hello my name is splat!".
No one got their panties in a twist but I guess times have changed since the days when people were tough and took tragedy in stride.,,especially if the tragedy involved something friggin hilarious.
I'll not c#&% up your sensitivity session anymore other than to say that life boils down to "ya pays yer money ya takes yer chances".
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 27, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
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Ricky D, gallows humor has its place, but please provide an example of where such humor was displayed in front of a national and international audience... a place where people looking for news and information regarding all-things-climbing come to to find out what happened.
Maybe there are such sky-diving websites, and maybe they do post about the "f*#king hilarious" fatal mistakes...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 27, 2015 - 01:40pm PT
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It's pretty low class. what you say to your buddys over drinks to morn the passing of a friend is one thing. posting something on an open board where their parants and kids can see it is totally different.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 27, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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on the thread announcing the unfortunate events that resulted in Woody Stark's death, TGT expressed this wish:
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There will be plenty of time for analysis and speculation about what happened. Out of respect for his children, Tia and Woody Jr. please forego that for now.
Thanks.
Wendell
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=808573&msg=808594#msg808594
and I believe the following comments on that thread were very respectful.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Dec 27, 2015 - 01:51pm PT
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It's pretty low class. what you say to your buddys over drinks to morn the passing of a friend is one thing. posting something on an open board where their parants and kids can see it is totally different.
Yes, indeed.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
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So because this is the Internet and there exists the possibility that some family member can randomly come across a statement I have to cede any and all rights to opinion - however "offensive" it may or may not be?
I'm sorry, but I didn't spend much of my youth marching for the right to free speech just to be shut down by some anonymous politically sensitive weenie with a DSL connection.
As for the subject at hand - TGT is dead on - she died for a stupid reason. I mean come on - you disconnect from your safety line so you can go weewee behind a rock because you are afraid someone will see you tinkle? That my friend is a damn dumb way to go - leaving nothing behind but a pair of gloves and yellow streak in the snow.
I can't help but imagine that somewhere in her family is a grizzled old practical realistic granny saying the same thing - "girl died doing what?".
Maybe I'm showing my age and my belligerence - but I came from what appears to be the last of the pioneer hardazzes who took life as it came and didn't get bent out of shape about what someone thought.
People lived.
People died.
And if they died in a funny or stupid way - we didn't hold back our scorn or laughter.
It's not like they gave a sh#t anymore.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 27, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
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ricky d this comes to mind
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 27, 2015 - 02:33pm PT
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I have to cede any and all rights to opinion
Of course not. You are free to be an as#@&%e expressing your precious opinion all day long if you want. You have the RIGHT to do that. Whether you CHOOSE to be an as#@&%e, that's another question. And now we know the answer to that question.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Dec 27, 2015 - 02:53pm PT
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but I came from what appears to be the last of the pioneer hardazzes who took life as it came and didn't get bent out of shape about what someone thought.
I try and care about what people think and I try not to hurt their feelings.
Dana
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2015 - 03:13pm PT
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No DanaB - it is not.
It is however a cry for relief from the recent trend in Society towards chronic non-offensiveness.
This ailment manifests itself in everything from not being able to open a jar of Jiffy Peanut Butter without sending people screaming towards the exits lest they be infested to not being able to call to a spade a spade without offending some misplaced sensibility.
Since the subject of death has been broached - let me really piss some of you off by noting that there seems to be a cabal of 20 regulars who no matter the circumstances feel compelled to immediately post condolences ad nauseum.
I cannot help but get the feeling that you some how have a "click here for insincere platitudes" button on your browser that you invoke whenever some twit expires.
Honestly, can any of you who click this button even remember how many times you have done so?
Did you really know that person or even care or is this just some knee-jerk reaction in hopes of being perceived as being caring?
Insincerity comes in many guises - this is but one of them.
And why only care deeply and meaningfully for a random "climber" that none of you knows?
Where is your caring and outrage for the Syrian child drowned on the beaches of some obscure Grecian isle while trying to flee true horror?
Why no pages of condolences to the families of the thousands of displaced refugees from any war torn country?
When our drones kill an innocent family in Pakistan - why do you not click your "I'm so sorry" button?
Because none of them "climb"?
That my friend is much more cruel and disingenuous than anything snarky I can say about some babe who slid off an icy rock whilst trying to pee.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 27, 2015 - 03:20pm PT
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As for the subject at hand - TGT is dead on - she died for a stupid reason. I mean come on - you disconnect from your safety line so you can go weewee behind a rock because you are afraid someone will see you tinkle? That my friend is a damn dumb way to go - leaving nothing behind but a pair of gloves and yellow streak in the snow.
I like to think we are attracted to this web site because we are climbers, and I think of that first and foremost. When a member of the community dies doing what we all do, we are interested in finding out why they died, lessons learned might help some climber avoid the same fate.
As TGT did in the "Woody Stark" thread, he asked that we be respectful of people he knew would look at this site for news, for any information at all to try to make sense of something that was hard to (and probably still is hard to) make sense of.
Because we are climbers, because many of us have faced the same situation, and because we all can empathize with not only the dead climber, but also with everyone who knew the climber, friends, partners, family, we were respectful. After all, this was a fellow climber.
Did I think TGT was being the "internet police" and instructing to hold our tongues where we could have posted some equally "ironic" quality of that particular accident?
No.
Did I think that because I very much disagreed with TGT's and Woody's politics and general outlook I had a "free pass" to disrespect them in some "humorous" post regarding the accident?
No.
Did I think such a request was an infringement on my freedom of speech?
No.
There was a terrible accident involving one of our own. We don't have to mouth off on the thread where the news broke on the STForum, or even start another thread of "gallows humor" specifically about that accident.
I marched for various freedoms too, I don't think that requesting that we have respectful posts is an attack on my political convictions. I didn't think it when TGT requested it, I don't with this current post, I won't in the future.
I'll be respectful, it could have been any of us that still venture up into those places where every act counts, where a minor lapse can result in our death. We can learn about the situation later, we can express our respects now.
Kei Taniguchi was an accomplished climber we could all respect in life. We can take a moment to respect her in death too.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 03:24pm PT
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I doubt that TGT will delete his post voluntarily, he has cultivated his STForum persona as being an "iconoclast," the icon being what he perceives the sensibilities of the STForum. This includes what he probably considers "political correctness" and his view that all speech is protected and valid.
I also have no doubt that he found the presumed circumstances of the accident to be "ironic" and the opportunity to both feature what he thought was this clever irony and to poke at the sensibilities of the STForum crew (which I cannot believe he couldn't foresee) was too much to resist.
My memory of similar accidents, I think a US K2 expedition lost a member who untied and removed their harness, to another long faded memory of someone who left the tent unteathered, in their boot liners and never returned, and probably others I am unaware of, highlight the hostility of the environment which we often find ourselves in, actually drawn too, and only serve as a caution, a warning, to be ever vigilant. That the most mundane of tasks are fraught with peril.
So I view TGT's post as being largely what I would expect from him, a deliberate insensitivity and needless provocation at the expense of a fellow fallen climber, and the partners, friends and family of that climber.
TGT no doubt will harden in his resolve not to give in to the STForum protest to his post. He views it as his individual right and an affront to his personal liberty to post whatever he wants to whatever end irregardless of the sentiment of the community of climbers of whom he considers himself a part. Even more so if he can rile up that community.
The post stands as a monument to TGT and his particular views. It is unfortunate for the STForum, it is unfortunate for the climbing community, but it clearly portrays TGT's character.
Ed,
Wendell is once again showing how the conservative mind works.
I wonder how Wendell would have felt if people made light of Woody's death in Joshua Tree a few years ago.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 27, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
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Ricky D, while what you describe may be common, it is not what is going on, here.
I really doubt that you posted your tasteless jokes in front of frieds/family of a compatriot that had just died a violent death. Makes me think that you have never experienced a death in someone you knew/loved.
But you will, and then your opinion will change.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 27, 2015 - 03:55pm PT
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I didn't know that I'd see it in my lifetime, but finally, someone who takes the side of the Westboro Baptist Church.
Once again, people who argue that because it is LEGAL to do something, it is RIGHT to do it.
"Thank God for dead soldiers" at the Westminster, Maryland, funeral of Matthew Snyder, a U.S. Marine who was also killed in Iraq
The church announced on December 16, 2012, that it would be picketing at the funerals of the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings
In January 2011, Westboro announced that they would picket the funeral of Christina Green, a 9-year-old victim of the 2011 Tucson shooting
On April 15, 2013, the church posted a press release to its Twitter account in which it thanked God for that day's Boston Marathon bombings, and announced its plan to "picket the funeral of those killed".
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 27, 2015 - 04:02pm PT
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There are no "misplaced sensibilities" when it comes to dying.
How we react is how we react.
But to take license in public view and spit on the memory of the deceased, that's cruel, mean, and lacks judgment at the very least.
It will be quite interesting if TGT comes forth with any sort of reasonable explanation.
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overwatch
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Dec 27, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
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Kikkidee and tgt standing up for the cause!
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overwatch
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
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Free speak all you want just as others are free to call you a f u c k i n a s s hole
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CCT
Trad climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
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She died because she untied to pee? Wow, that's really sad. I'm really sorry to hear that. It sounds like the type of thing I might do. Ok, that does make me re-evaluate. It's hard sometimes in the mountains, especially at the wrong time of the month or with awkward partners.
I wish that aspect of her death wasn't hidden from the other thread. I didn't see the Ironic thread, and it sounds like it was pretty inappopriate. But there is a real lesson here for 50% of the population.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2015 - 05:38pm PT
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Yes - let us rejoice in the purge of that which we find to be uncomfortable.
Always wondered how people burned their own neighbors as witches - now I know.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Dec 27, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
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Cosmic, I bet Happi is not on-line..She has limited internet access..
Yes - let us rejoice in the purge of that which we find to be uncomfortable.
Always wondered how people burned their own neighbors as witches - now I know.
Very weak sauce....
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overwatch
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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Rejoice in the purge, burn at the stake, very dramatic
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John M
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
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I don't think that it was TGT.. It appears to be completely gone. That would be RJ..
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 27, 2015 - 05:54pm PT
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This ailment manifests itself in everything from not being able to open a jar of Jiffy Peanut Butter without sending people screaming towards the exits lest they be infested
Poor oppressed Ricky. I'm so sorry that you can't expose kids with life-threatening allergies to the very allergen that can easily kill them. Your god-given right to peanut butter surely trumps their right to continue breathing. PC libruls run amok, I tell ya!
As someone that coaches kids and has seen a child having a severe life-threatening peanut reaction...go f*#k yourself. Is that "un-pc" enough for ya?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
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The elementary school I attended used to pass out peanut butter cookies every morning. It's not unreasonable, radical, or dangerous.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:04pm PT
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Very weak sauce....
Is it Nita?
What do you call it other than witch burning when a few people can take it upon themselves to attack another for no other reason than their choice of words?
TGT as did many of us saw the bizarre and yes, the humorous irony involved in this unfortunate incident.
Whether you personally like it or not - we all have equal say in this world so far and should some of us take license with what others see as tragedy is not disrespect as much as it might be a different perspective on the world.
You may not have encountered death and destruction in ways that lead you to develop a sense of gallows humor in order to cope - but some of us have seen and done things that cause us to either harden a shell or die ourselves.
Sorry if life smells like a fart sometimes - good for you that you have lived in a garden of roses your whole life - some of us have not had that luxury.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
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The elementary school I attended used to pass out peanut butter cookies every morning.
And mine served PB sandwiches. Do you have a point? Because "it's not dangerous" isn't one.
Did kids regularly die from peanut exposure back then? Well they do now.
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John M
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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or dangerous.
until it is. I don't believe science knows why peanut allergies seem to be more severe now, but for those who have them, they can be very dangerous. My niece has nearly died twice from Anaphylactic shock. She carries a kit now and her entire family knows how to give shots.
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overwatch
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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We are in awe before you, Kikki
We get it you are a tough guy, lots of them here. Now be a professional and drop it...or not I don't really care.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
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You may not have encountered death and destruction in ways that lead you to develop a sense of gallows humor in order to cope - but some of us have seen and done things that cause us to either harden a shell or die ourselves.
Yes, that's so - to a point. But this implies that your opinion is the reasonable and inevitable response, given your experiences, and that anyone who doesn't agree hasn't seen death and despair to any significant degree. I don't think that's true - I was an ICU and ER nurse for over 15 years and I don't share your viewpoint.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:27pm PT
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Ricky D..
I stand by my words...WEAK Sauce...dude..
edit: just saw this quote..
[ good for you that you have lived in a garden of roses your whole life
BTW, My brother died in Vietnam when i was a kid. and my cousin who lived next door killed himself two years later......my childhood was not easy..I understood at a young age about..life, death, sorrow, , sympathy , empathy. and respect....You have no idea what my life was like..
over and out.....smell you later...
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
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Oh god lord man - let's please not start a war over whether or not peanut allergies are real- because then we will have to break out tons of quotes and links purporting to show how this affliction only emerged after helicopter parents started withholding peanuts from birth - jiminy dude - I'm from the South - Peanut Country - nobody or their damn dog died from peanuts until the Internet started freaking people out in the 90's - so get over yourself.
Quite obviously the point of TGT has been lost in the rush to sanctimony.
People die. Sometimes they die in spectacularly stupid and downright funny as hell ways. My question is why do you only get bent out of shape when that person happens to be a climber?
Some dude from Indiana fell off a cliff in San Diego while f*#king with his cellphone - I don't recall seeing three hundred heart felt condolences sent out from this site over that tragedy.
Oh - I get it - he wasn't "one of us".
Well guess what - I don't give a rat's about this self-indulgent climber who obviously knew her business, had the skills and the talent and still did something something stupid and paid the price. She bought the ticket took the ride and stuff happened so give her a DNF.
I have zero condolences for anyone who knows the game and loses - myself included. I have two bullet holes in me from playing a "game" and there are two dead people with holes in them where I was the better player - it is what it is.
What pity and humanity I still retain I reserve for the people who truly deserve help and condolences - not some prima dona but that shelter full of battered kids that we played Santa too on Friday.
In my small mind - they mattered - this dead climber does not.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:31pm PT
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The f*#king thread is gone, can we let this go now!!!!
Or are we still going to whine about it...
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overwatch
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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you seem to be dying to tell us that shootout story you mention it over and over why don't you lay it on us?
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John M
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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links purporting to show how this affliction only emerged after helicopter parents started withholding peanuts from birth
I erased my post about my niece. My family loves peanuts. Her parents did not shield her from them. She nearly died twice from anaphylactic shock before the doctors figured out it was peanuts.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
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Yes, that's so - to a point. But this implies that your opinion is the reasonable and inevitable response, given your experiences, and that anyone who doesn't agree hasn't seen death and despair to any significant degree. I don't think that's true - I was an ICU and ER nurse for over 15 years and I don't share your viewpoint.
Dana - I in no way wish to imply my way is the only or true way, It is merely one way of many - all of which have validity from within their context.
What I object too is this unforgiving push towards a sameness where a select and vocal minority attempts to proscribe what is acceptable.
You were involved in saving lives - a truly noble cause to be sure. For a number of lost years of my life - I was involved in taking them so that mine was not taken by them.
Two points of view forged from two ways of having to live.
Is one more valid than the other?
Which of you will step up to cast the first stone?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:41pm PT
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I'm just not ready to believe that President Carter and George Washington Carver were engaged in genocide.
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John M
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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I don't believe that it is a minority that would prefer not to have gallows humor on a forum where the friends and loved ones can openly read, especially so soon after the event.
Would you go to a funeral and make gallows humor jokes in front of the family? If not, then you can at least see that there is a line. Even if you draw it in a different place then many of us.
Time and place. Thats what you don't seem to understand.
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I'm just not ready to believe that President Carter and George Washington Carver were engaged in genocide.
Chaz, sometimes I just shake my head at what you write. of course they weren't trying to commit genocide. No peanut farmer is. that doesn't mean that peanut allergies aren't real. Good grief man. shaking my head.
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cintune
climber
Bruce Berry's Econoline Van
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Dec 27, 2015 - 06:59pm PT
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Technically, gallows humor is strictly a first-person kind of thing.
"I'm gunna die, might as well make a joke about it."
At his public execution, the murderer William Palmer is said to have looked at the trapdoor on the gallows and asked the hangman, "Are you sure it's safe?"
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Dec 27, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
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hey there say, oh my... i am so very sorry, i did not understand what it was, (his thread) until i got there and read it...
then, i thought i should put something kind there, in case her family saw it... but then:
i just realized, that i TOO had made it bump, and was adding to the problem, please forgive me...
:(
i should have only kept my post, on the second thread...
i really am very sensitive to these awful things...
and, unintentionally added to something, wrong, once i
stepped in there to the TGT thread... by trying to add
kind words, when it was best left alone... :(
dear family, trying to help in a wrong way,
just kept the thread up, where it would do harm...
please forgive me for not thinking ahead...
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Dec 27, 2015 - 07:20pm PT
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Sweet Neebee..
Don't worry . the rude thread is gone.
Edit: for burchy.. ppfffftt
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Dec 27, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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hey there say, nita... whewwwww, thank you for posting here, now, so i know... thank you... hugs...
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jonnyrig
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
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Time now for this one to go.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 27, 2015 - 08:00pm PT
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Johnny happigirl don't got Internet so we have to wait..!?!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Dec 27, 2015 - 08:08pm PT
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Hmmmmm, crazy.
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John M
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 08:26pm PT
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you think this is about liberals versus conservatives?
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John M
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 08:40pm PT
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Edit: looks like you deleted your post Cosmic. Change your mind?
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thats sad Cosmic, that you would believe that.
Philo was banned recently.
Dr F was banned at one point
so was Crowley, Locker and Burch.
Its about behavior. Thats all.
Its also not that hard to come back. Just ask and change the problem behavior. Some people can't seem to do that, but it is possible.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:37pm PT
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Some people can't seem to do that, but it is possible.
Christopher Hitchens overcame his bolshie upbringing so anyone can do it.
Of course, he couldn't quit the fags and the booze.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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... do the right thing and delete you first post.
Give it a rest, bitch.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 27, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
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I am surprised the inevitable has not already occurred.
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overwatch
climber
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Dec 27, 2015 - 10:51pm PT
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Talking to yourself up there
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Dec 28, 2015 - 06:56am PT
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Old news?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 28, 2015 - 06:57am PT
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For the record, this thread seems to have had nothing to do with the one referenced being taken down.
I did not "demand" TGT do so, I asked him to do so and I explained my reasoning. Yes, I used strong language(quoted below for posterity); I found it very strange that a person would be so insensitive to what we KNOW - that family and friends of people tragically killed often scour the internet as a way of going through the mourning process. Would TGT have enjoyed someone making a joke about what he himself witnesses when Woody was tragically killed? I do not think so. I think it would have been very painful. I knew Woody, and I know TGT, BTW, though neither very well.
I will not apologize for my request to TGT. I only wish he had been the one to remove his post. Just as, Ricky D, you have the right to write your opinion on being offended by "PC-ness," I too have the right to my freedom of speech, and I exercised it.
And now, this thread will be deactivated as well.
Instead of posting an opinion to that thread and bumping it, I decided to start this as a request thread instead. Hopefully it will deter people from posting to the offending thread and bumping it.
The family and friends of the deceased to not need to stumble across what is/might be contained in that thread. You made a JOKE using imagery of personal events that occurred moments before that woman's death. It is painful enough the family has lost their loved one, but to have someone make an "ironic" comparison? No.
Please - do the right thing and delete you first post.
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