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ruppell
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LMAO. Yep, it's the people on forums that caused these things. Run with that and let me know how it works out for you.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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Crime in Detroit is down thanks to a guy called Robocop...
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dirtbag
climber
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I appreciate the work of LE. Sure, there are some bad apples, but don't let the LE bashers get you down.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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LOL!
It's not like this number of casualties is happening across town of 300 head, it's happening across a super nation of 330M plus.
Do you know this number?
Suggest you watch less FOX News w Megan Kelly and instead read Steven Pinker's Better Angels.
Overall we're a pretty tame bunch.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Vive la revolucion!
Vive la Veed!
But mostly, long live political forums! Thanks Jody!
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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OK, but maybe let's blame twitter and current news reporting styles,
instead of folks on supertopo?
The dudes here are mainly just trying to hide from the rangers.
I think most people realize being a cop is a very tough job.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Gotta be kidding me..
Like no one ever hated cops before 2015
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Jody is not much of a troller.
I think this is a very good first effort...
unless Suprema has stolen his account!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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You idiots....not a Dale Carnegie opening. Pot calling the kettle black?
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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I'm not happy.
I'm not sad.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Yo Jody, you need a vacation...
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Turd in your cereal bowl this morning jody?
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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All of you have the blood of murdered law enforcement officers on your hands.
f'real?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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When any illegitimate power structure fails, it's better then to divide the sheeple and get them killing each other instead of them focusing on the real problem at the top.
Black vs. White
Imaginary Friend X vs. Imaginary Friend Y
Cops vs. Civilians
Arbitrary lines on the ground vs other arbitrary lines.
etc....
Works every time too.
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mastadon
Trad climber
crack addict
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I think I've managed to avoid every political thread on this forum. I would have to look back to make sure, though. I now feel the need to actually respond.
Fu#k you Jody, and the fu#king horse you rode in on. You're a moron.
Not everyone has a misguided hatred of law enforcement. Not everyone is happy to see law enforcement people get shot.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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You wrote BS, now go away...
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Norton
Social climber
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here is what you said, Jody
...the misguided hatred of law enforcement in general has led to open season on police officers. Hope all of you are happy.
do you see the word "all", asking if ALL of us a happy about open season on police?
you are a moron for lumping everyone here against law enforcement
an ignorant, emotional moron
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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^^If you were a black rapper, you might get a pass too...
just sayin'
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Smith & Powell killed a cop in 1963, one got away (Onion Field)
Cecena killed a copy in San Diego 1978
Miles killed a cop in 2015
Sheriff(s) killed Chaney, Goodwin, Schwerner in 1964 in Mississippi.
Anything new here?
Cops are far from monolithicaly good.
-Serpico
Think about it before you go off the handle, J.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Idiots....paint with a broad brush, disparage everyone who has a different point of view and are hopelessly inept in dealing with nuanced arguments.
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ruppell
climber
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Mister E
So I black rapper can say it and it's cool but a bunch of white folks say it and it's not? Pretty F'd up logic there. The point was the phrase has been around for a very long time. Now some other white guy has a problem with it. I don't get it.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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I am a happy idiot! :^)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jody, my condolences. I rail against stoopid ticketing but I've got all officers' backs at heart.
The StuporTopo Robespierre Chowder and Marching Society is only forgiving of rioters and
and related nihilists.
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ruppell
climber
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I'm an American Idiot. Well not really but I still like the song. It fits this thread more than any other I can think of right now. lol
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Reilly offers condolences for the death of Jody's brain...
... that's cute.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Are we keeping like things together here in this illuminating dialog.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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i feel like i'm standing back
and watching a conversation between
my wife and i.
mr: "that's not what i meant!"
mrs: "but that's what you said."
mr: "your cognitive skills suck!"
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Eat a turd you shart stain. You're a stupid little maggot.
Obama hates cops too and wants riots, right Fukwit? And the protesters are just bad black people right, you racist piece of hate. Evil. Little. Shart.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Burn the place down
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herm
Trad climber
Bishop
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Nobody read jody's post!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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JODY! Holy Smokes I can't believe you gotta meet Joe McCarthy! Tell him to stop pluggin' that ol' liver - we need some more witch hunts!
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10b4me
Social climber
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The next POTUS agreeing with me during a discussion I had with him a couple of months ago.
You are delusional, Jody.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jody, from this "idiot" I feel for you. I especially feel for honest and good folks that are cops and being targets. That's not satire or BS. I think that we (as a country) have some big F**ing issues we need to deal with. Education is still # one and we are failing in it. You're seeing that Chicken coming home to roost now. I can't claim any exclusion and the country is failing in most places. For instance, my kids knew all about Martin Luther King from the local public school by 3rd grade and how he had been sh#t on and his struggles, but knew nothing and had not even heard of either Thomas Jefferson or George Washington or their goals and ideals at that time. True story, and one I quickly corrected in my house. The rest of the houses, who can say.
I'm the kind of guy that steps up as a temporary sheepdog when needed. Every damned time. But I don't know what do do. The Rev. Farrakkahn is calling for 10,000 "warriors" to confront the oppressors (you mostly but me too cause I have white skin) that have oppressed them for 400 years this coming Oct during the million man march in DC. Essentially its close to open season on you and your profession and it's gonna be black militants heading your way for what they perceive as revenge. Some of them are picking up the sword now. Their goal is for them to obtain freedom. However, these as#@&%es repeatedly call "FIRE" in the crowded theater and nobody does nothing. That hate speech is protected by the authorities, and it is resonating with their audiences.
A bit about me. My wife and I moved into the inner city as young (poor) mostly white people, and we are still here over 30 years later. However in my city, we as a city made investments here to make the sh#t parts better, but all that resulted in that was that the dirt poor trouble (some of color some not) moved out someplace else and displaced the trash and intelligent blacks who cashed in with rich white folks. Seriously, we have only one black family in this area now. Some of my new neighbors now make obscene amounts of scratch. The old neighbors and the new neighbors would not recognize each other.
For myself, I love not going out in the morning and finding a fired .45 bullet (with striations) sitting in near prefect condition right on my deck and wonder where the f*#k that came from and how the f*#k I can keep the next one from whacking my kids. I love not having to worry that a picnic at the park a half block away will totally f*#k up my day when some total shithead pulls a gun and kills some other black guy with way too many bullets (who the f*#k teaches these f*#kwads to empty a f*#king full magazine of 20 rounds at a single person) and the one bullet hit right in the middle of picnickers. (years back, no arrest was ever made). I love that my house price has shot up and the equity is pretty fat. I love having the neighbors over for drinks now and they tell me what Geo Bush told them at their last dinner party. I don't even know what to say.
I volunteered to help tutor one on one -teach reading, to inner city black kids for a while to try and do some good. Some of them can't read for sh#t. It was painful. All they want to do is get to recess and play basketball. And they can do that with a skill that is shocking but awe inspiring. I'm talking 2nd and 3rd graders playing and making NBA like moves. But feeling pain and strain on reading even simple books. I didn't have the vig to continue. They were not happy (they just wanted to play ball), I was not happy (I saw no results and wanted to go climb, be with family and get too my new business). The black community is separated between good people and total shitheads and they all can relate with each other cause of outside enemies (us).
My little boy was in a class with no white kids. All black except for one little Mexican girl who didn't last the full time. I met all of the other parents and learned that they ALL were better people than me. Real good folks. They all wanted for their kids what I wanted for mine, what you wanted for yours, and they worked harder than me to get it and I worked f*#king hard at it. They were all excellent people, great citizens. They all drove nicer cars than me at the time. But when they drove home in that BMW, they'd get pulled over for "not putting on your blinker may I see your license and registration" and the bile would rise up in their throats and the overwhelming fear of what the police traditionally meant and could and did do to people just like them. That is, they felt like the traditional "uppity niggers" of old. About to be hung from a tree as a attitude adjustment and to keep the rest of them down kind of fear. The fear would creep up into their bowels and shake them to their very core. They knew that they had put their f*#king blinker on and they also knew that the cop was lying about that and the only thing that they thought at that point was 2 things. Dear lord please don't let this honky uniform lying piece of sh#t mother f*#ker kill me cause I have kids to raise. And 2nd) I can't believe this sh#t is still going on in this day and age. Rage would follow. I'm talking good people here Jody. Not shitheads, real good folks. I never associated with shitheads except in conflict (and confess to even saving my lily white ass once by pretending to be a cop). I'm saying that these were hard working folks. Honest. Salt of the earth. ...Dark skin is all that separated them from you and me. They were pissed that they were working their asses off to get ahead, and they can still get shook up and fear for their very life and liberty by a uniform pulling them over. Just because they were black. An that feeling that your brothers instilled, anger, fear, wanting both acceptance but knowing that it is somehow out of reach.
Most cops, however, don't understand that anyone would even have that kind of visceral fear. It's never happened to them for the most part. Sure it's not as bad as it use to be, but here's a related thing. For whatever reason, blacks use to be afraid of dogs like nobodys business. I never understood it and have to my shame often found amusement at it, but if you search history, you can see why that might have carried over from the crap the machine sh#t on them with. It should surprise no one that a kid that has never had the cops sic a dog on him is afraid of them just because of the oral history they have passed down through their parents. I love dogs and they don't scare me at all. So it's hard to walk a mile in another shoes as no one has sic'ed a dog on me and if I tried to resist the dog, shot or arrested me or one of my loved ones.
Now this piece of crap Farrakhan steps up with this bullsh#t. Like a barrel of apples - most of the apples are good, but some are bad to the point of total sh#t. Farrakan is fired up by history and oppression. So the sh#t he says seems bad, real bad, but he has issues based on black/white history. In that history and of his beliefs, to this day, white has sh#t on blacks in a major way. Blacks have NOT sh#t on whites. Til now. What do you want us to do? What will you do?
He says: "Death is sweeter than continued life under tyranny" he says. Do you not agree with that statement? Then this: "Retaliation is PRESCRIBED!!! in the matter of the slaves........ THEN WE MUST RISE UP AND KILL THOSE WHO KILL US STOP THEM AND KILL THEM AND LET THEM FEEL THE PAIN OF DEATH THAT WE HAVE FEELED."
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Hard to relate man. I'm white and life is flicking good. Damned good. I posted something along these lines on the thread chief started then deleted. Here's the bottom line. How can we help you Jody? Where do we as a country or as individuals to keep this from going to sh#t? I suspect it will get worse before it gets better. Or are you just venting?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The recent overwhelming proliferation of cell phone video capabilities combined with the twitter and youtube as instant mass distribution platforms has suddenly thrown a bright light on police misconduct that has been going on forever and it isn't pretty. That there is an angry and sometimes misguided backlash shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. And it's all further exacerbated by the right's increasingly shrill anti-government rhetoric and events like the BLM standoff in Nevada.
Last week this guy [without a firearm] was shot dead [from a distance] a moment later with his hands up and the district attorney's response? "It was unclear what the suspect's intent was in raising his hands..."
Seriously? The 'intent' of someone putting their hands up when confronted by police is "unclear"? And you wonder why there's a backlash...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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omg...I just figured out what Jody was trying to say....
"Thanks Obama..."
If I were the police I'd work pretty hard on getting rid of the bad apples if they want to survive...especially if they want respect and trust. I have never understood how a truly good cop can stomach a bad one let alone protect it... I rarely get pissed off at the other team..but my own teams f*#kups always pissed me off.
No more boys club rules.
There are many types of criminals in the world but the ones I fear most are the ones given authority by the people. A policeman using his authority in perpetration of crime is much worse than other criminals doing the same thing.
Some cops are amazing wonderful people.. some are just average joes getting their paycheck not very concerned about right and wrong or just not that bright...some are criminals and a danger to society. The latter two types scare the sh#t out of me.
I do respect all cops..because they are all potentially a serious danger to me and my life. I am polite and never argue with them. It's a self preservation thing. Mostly I do everything in my power to avoid them.
I also know many of them are wonderful people who do their job with honor...but I have no interest in having to find out what type of cop I might deal with on any given day..
I hope they change their culture and become trusted again.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Some of them are stupid and brainwashed incapable of significant perception in complicated situations...like Jody.. they are scary too when they have authority
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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We all can do better.
Couch, I would entirely disagree. Having grown up in Boston and Chicago where police misconduct is legend (not that it wasn't in NYC, Philli or Baltimore [or anywhere the Irish ran the police]) I'd stick with my premise that until cell phone video capability combined with the internet came along that police misconduct was basically something everyone knew about, but the scope of which was tough to prove or show on any convincing way on a mass media basis.
I personally believe the universal adoption of body cameras is really the only way to change these long-ingrained behaviors.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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I personally believe the universal adoption of body cameras is really the only way to change these long-ingrained behaviors.
hear-hear! agree!
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couchmaster
climber
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This is a huge issue Jody. I don't have any short term answer. Perhaps you don't either. I wish it were otherwise. Please don't take someones inflammatory and ignorant words as typical of the rest of us. The black community shouldn't get a pass on their behavior. I'm not blaming police for it but it contributes along with many many things. For instance, another one is that Black women as a group are much more likely than white women to let a random man impregnate her and then wander off and not help raise the kids in any way. That's on black women, not on you, me or the "sperm donors" they let wander in then off.
Like JH says, video cameras are a good thing, and the truth can hurt. But it is just a small part of a multifaceted issue with many differing angles.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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And have we met? And you have been around me in how many complicated situations in the last 27 years? What a moron.
Yeah that was a bit rude on my part..I'm just judging based on your OP. Your OP post is foolish on several levels. A couple of which are really simple.
Such that it leave me in serious doubt about your judgement in other areas of life.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I thought he was serious til he said Cruz and POTUS together.....
Countdown til this thread is frozen anyone?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Conflation of events
False equivalencies
Your boy Cruz will fix all of this for ya!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jody, please refrain from publicly cleaning Ted Cruz's spokes-discusting!!
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GuapoVino
climber
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None of this backlash against cops should be a surprise. History always repeats itself. Just look back to the 90's when people were mad at the ATF and the FBI, fueled by G Gordon Liddy and talk radio and books like The Turner Diary. It was obvious then that sh#t was going to start happening and then the federal building in OKC got bombed. That woke everyone up and it all took a step back on both sides. But that was easy because the federal agencies are kind of centrally controlled.
Now it's the same issue with the police. People are getting mad and not liking what they're seeing. It was only a matter of time until some started to lash out. There may even be a big event on the horizon. But the problem with police is that every department controls itself and I have a hard time seeing them taking a step back and re-evaluating things like the federal agencies did back in the 90's. It could just keep escalating.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Quite the assumption that it is escalating...
Sad how an increase media story frequency makes people jump to conclusions.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I'm guessing it will take at least a generation / full cycle of retirement with cameras to significantly change things. And a side benefit of the cameras is they also tend to ameliorate some of the bad behavior of those civilians cops do often encounter.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Couchmaster those were great posts and Others too!
To bad suprema/Jody will nuke this thread by tomorrow and waist our time :(
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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... Suprema has stolen his account!
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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I'm struggling with what brought on the OP.
Police shootings are down lower than they have almost ever been. Most of the 83 deaths this year are from illness, accident, or heart attacks. only 30 can be attributed to shootings (24), assaults (3) , or vehicular assault ( 3)
From the officer down memorial page:
Line of Duty Deaths: 83
9/11 related illness: 3
Accidental: 2
Aircraft accident: 1
Assault: 3
Automobile accident: 19
Fall: 1
Gunfire: 24
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 13
Motorcycle accident: 3
Struck by vehicle: 5
Vehicle pursuit: 4
Vehicular assault: 3
The fact is most cops die on the job from accidents and illness, including heart attacks ( I see 54 total, of the 83)
Those numbers are lower than almost any time in history. 30 is a tragic number, but Certainly Jody's tirade about a Great new War on cops isn't supported. There were 74 officers killed in 1995, according to the FBI.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/1996/leoka96.pdf
The fact is that LEO's aren't in the top ten most dangerous jobs for 2013 , the last year in the books at the bureau of labor statistics. They were once top 5.
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Prod
Trad climber
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How the f*#k does not liking cops put their blood on my hands. F*#k off Jody, you ignorant twit.
Prod.
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philo
climber
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Prod, in exactly the same way as the blood of every unarmed kid murdered by cops is on Jody's hands.
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philo
climber
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Who's angry?
Oh yeah you.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jody, Did anyone on this forum recommend or condone killing cops?
Let's distill this down to make it simple.
Some people use the word hate very loosely. What they are really trying to communicate is that they are angry about LE that are abusive with their authority. Those are bad cops - we should be angry about them and we should get rid of them. Everyone can easily be on the same page about that.
Good cops that don't abuse their authority and are genuinely in it to be of service to others are wonderful! We should thank them often, give them a raise, and maybe give them thank you cards and fresh baked cookies regularly. I think everyone can get behind that, too.
Any objections?
Now, Jody, you can be all hateful and divisive about something else now.
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ruppell
climber
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Jody,
Your OP is complete sh#t. It's poorly worded and poorly thought out. The lack of any king of logic behind it is amazing really. How does f*#k the police mean kill the police in your eyes? Does that mean when ever you've said f*#k you to someone you really meant I hope someone kills you soon? Further more, even if your far fetched notion was true, wouldn't the killer have to of READ this forum for it to have any bearing on his mental state? Think about it. Or have you given up on thinking completely?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Your logic is incredibly flawed. You have made an association without causation.
i.e. I saw a turkey on the road and it's raining, therefor, turkeys cause rain.
And, duh, all races and all lives matter.
In logic, arguing for one thing is not arguing against another thing. Promoting the idea that black lives matter is to bring awareness to a recent spate of abusive LE and focus on solving the issue; it is not a call to kill cops. That is so obvious that arguing otherwise is a very strange perversion of reason and civility; something we could do well with more of here.
Lorenzo, thank you for bringing reason into the mix here.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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yea jody,
you really look
foolish in
this thread.
don't they
teach you emotional
poise in the academy?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Hey Lorenzo..... The title from your source.
Law Enforcement Officers
Killed and Assaulted
1996 https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/1996/leoka96.pdf
So many here are on the shet bandwagon about them Cops being "over the top" in the attitudes, mannerisms, equipment and tactics. Anybody ever think that just could be what is keeping them alive these days?
And to add to my last post, this is when the Adam 12 days ended as well.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Bangers nation wide started getting unlimited access to totally illegal "Choppers" in the mid to last 90's. Most coming over the Mexican border. Cops had no choice but to fight "Choppers" with "Choppers".
Carry on.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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I'm saddened by the violent death of anyone, special someone paid to protect all of us. But Jody like so many people is blaming others when they should be looking at themselves. The hatred for police comes from the actions of a few bad officers, with the full support of the entire force. I am a polite person, yet have rarely been treated politely or ever professionally by police. In the 1970's & 80's I work for a police impound. For me it was a rude and very sad awakening, what I learned was to never trust a police officer. There are really good officers out there, but they are over shadowed by the self centered me first type person who will lie & steal & cheat if it's to their advantage. If police won't police themselves they sure should not be policing me.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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And the Drug/Gangbanger Busts....
NYC
Detroit
Atlanta
Wayne County, CT
Boston
The AZ Border
And this seized by the Mexican Navy most assuredly on it's way to..... Hometown USA
ETC ETC ETC.......
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jody, Did you have any other issues with my last post or are you in agreement?
Crankster, Thanks for posting up that Chouinard video. I love that.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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How about them "FACTS" Lorenzo....
Pretty amazing how when REALITY is brought into the mix, so does the Sunlight.
Yup... that's when it all began.
OH yeah, and NOT one of your hundreds of Gun Control Laws is gonna stop any of it. Cus these people could give a flying rats ass about your bullshet laws.
Carry on.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Chief, Are you calling to question the veracity of Lorenzo's data? At the surface there doesn't appear to be any relationship to his post and you, like Jody, are arguing that there is an association here with the rest of the conversation and, further, based on that association there is causation, but I can't find the logic there. Can you clarify your argument?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Fair enough, Jody. I will argue that we have both then oversimplified.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jody, love the framing! But you shoulda got up earlier. ;-)
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Mark Force, I am just pointing out that first, Lorenzo's data is dated 1996. Almost 20 years old.
Then, that since the days of the .38 rev packing "Beat Cop", crime, it's pathetic and morbid evolution into gangbangers and drug lords etc carrying an arsenal of automatic weapons and big bore semi auto's etc that are supplied to them via the Mexican Cartels and other totally illegal sources, have also changed the way Law Enforcement does business in order to carry out their primary responsibility in this nation, to protect the common law abiding citizen.
Law Enforcement has evolved into what it needs to do to protect themselves from all the above. Most assuredly why less are getting their asses blown away.
To turn a completely blind eye to that reality here in this nation does the law enforcement agencies and all the brave men and women that suit up daily, a total disservice.
Here is another very startling fact....
It's an extraordinarily rare event. But the fact is, (in) 2012, there were 12,197,000 arrests in the United States, OK? And there were 410 uses of deadly force. Now that is, I think, three-thousands of a percent. So, it’s still an extraordinarily rare event." — Edward Flynn on Wednesday, August 20th, 2014 police chief in Milwaukee, Wis., since January 2008
And more than half of those were whites.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Hey Jody,
What makes you such a cop lover?
Fvck the Police.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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And you are so smart cuz you want to ball-cup for cops?
answer the question: why does modern law enforcement, shoot first, get DA approval later, deserve the public's respect?
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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I don't see a list. I see "screw all of you"
Jody, like Crunch, I don't see a list of peoples names either in your original post?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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answer the question: why does modern law enforcement, shoot first, get DA approval later, deserve the public's respect?
They don't. But do keep that head of yours stuck up your a*# so you can continue with the bullshet propaganda.
It's an extraordinarily rare event. But the fact is, (in) 2012, there were 12,197,000 arrests in the United States, OK? And there were 410 uses of deadly force. Now that is, I think, three-thousands of a percent. So, it’s still an extraordinarily rare event." — Edward Flynn on Wednesday, August 20th, 2014 police chief in Milwaukee, Wis., since January 2008
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Sorry you were a cop once?
Your pretty agro dude, go climb something!
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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This...
It's an extraordinarily rare event. But the fact is, (in) 2012, there were 12,197,000 arrests in the United States, OK? And there were 410 uses of deadly force. Now that is, I think, three-thousands of a percent. So, it’s still an extraordinarily rare event." — Edward Flynn on Wednesday, August 20th, 2014 police chief in Milwaukee, Wis., since January 2008
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Jody,
From my PERSONAL experience with cops in the USA has been positive, but I am white, which, if you wanna believe it or not, is an uber-obvious problem in your country.
Got pulled over in south Idaho for speeding- cop super nice, gave me a warning and a 'Happy Easter'.
Never had problem asking cops directions etc, always nice.
The sarge took me on a tour of the downtown LA building once and gave me his card to ask further questions if I wanted (where C.H.I.P.S was filmed).
To say every cop is good and not corrupt would be naive., as in any job, but no doesn't need aggression turned upon them.
Ladders don't count for full effect.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Best comment on the thread award - "Straight outa Squampton"
Shows, at least, the value of being tall and having long arms. Persistence counts too.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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jody,
thanks for your service. I'll assume you were a 'good cop' that used force appropriate to the situation. Unfortunately, the law is written to protect pretty much all cops, all the time. So, as evidenced by the cell videos in the past few years, psycho cops are getting away with being power hungry, reactionary, and seem to actively work to escalate situations.
Why aren't the unions pushing for body cams to regain public trust?
I take back 'fvck the police', how about fvck the police unions, the DAs, and the laws that give cops a free pass to murder at will?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Congrats on your retirement Jody and thanks!
This thread is still a Troll minus, though.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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"There were 74 officers killed in 1995, according to the FBI."...
For the record...
that too...
was Obamas fault...
Good one Locker!
And the Drug/Gangbanger Busts....
Look at all those weapons. All good in the happy no holds barred world of the NRA and gun loving America. What the f*#k else do you expect them to use?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Look at all those weapons. All good in the happy no holds barred world of the NRA and gun loving America. What the f*#k else do you expect them to use?
Bruce.... Nope.
All tracked back to being illegally smuggled in or sold through the Ilegal Gun Trade Black Market that prevails in this country. Most coming from, wait, here it is.....
Mexico and the Mexican Cartel. And some even from Holder and his DOJ.
(BTW: Over 80% of all illegal Auto and Large Bore Weps confiscated in the past ten years aren't manufactured or have any registered origin in the US.)
NOT the NRA nor any Law Abiding US Cit.
74 Cops killed in 1995
For 1995 through 2002 as well as 2010 and 2011, I used data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports.
Year Police involved Fatalities
1995 389
Of that, 214 were White.
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dirtbag
climber
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Why were people upset with Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crises when everyone knows it was Obamas fault???...
Excellent point. That, and declining pork belly prices in the 1840s are attributable to Obama's hatred of whites.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jody.
Your OP talked about people criticizing cops who kill unarmed people as promoting a new war on cops and anarchy. I say bunk.
Every life lost is a tragedy. but I'm asking you to show evidence that things are worse than before, say, 911. seems to be everybody's standard. Your rant seems unreasoned and unsupported by evidence. Things aren't worse. Anarchists have been around for over a century. Sacco and Vanzetti were anarchists. I can show you an attempt to clean out out a whole neighborhood of immigrants here in Portland in 1906, calling the whole population anarchists and claiming a plot to kill Roosevelt.
http://www.mcmenamins.com/blog/2015/5/22/225-A-Plot-to-Kill-a-President-
The anarchist claim was bunk then and bunk now. You aren't the first to use the anarchy claim to suppress people.
Every stat I see shows crime is down and violence of all kinds except domestic is WAY down from 20 years ago. Get a grip on reality.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Excellent POST Glegarand...
Pretty sums up the realities of the total disproportionate and way over inflated truths that seem to prevail in this country today as to Cops gunning for any suspected criminal, let alone a young black man.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Every stat I see shows crime is down and violence of all kinds except domestic is WAY down from 20 years ago. Get a grip on reality.
And you Lorenzo go pull that telephone pole outta your eye. Your stats are totally mooted by the following reality.
It's an extraordinarily rare event. But the fact is, (in) 2012, there were 12,197,000 arrests in the United States, OK? And there were 410 uses of deadly force. Now that is, I think, three-thousands of a percent. So, it’s still an extraordinarily rare event." — Edward Flynn on Wednesday, August 20th, 2014 police chief in Milwaukee, Wis., since January 2008
Spot on... thanks for good solid and insightful post.
Every arrest involves hands on physical confrontation between Law Enforcement and Citizens. These interactions have always and will always go bad at some time to some degree. By all means strive to hold Law Enforcement accountable for their actions, but showing the same dozen videos of Poor Policing as a yardstick to Demonize an entire Profession that interacts millions of times a year in stressful situations with Citizens is simple sensationalism.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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All those arrests and by edward Flynn's evidence almost no violence against cops hardy supports a war on cops.
Maybe a three thousandth of a percent war....
The othe 99.97% of arrest have no violence
It's just bunk for politicians.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Nor do they support any of the current B-L-M and the Sharptons of America BS propaganda that there is a war on young black men by the nations LEO's who btw started this entire issue....Lorenzo.
Goes both ways.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Maybe, but that wasn't the OP's rant.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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And I am adding the Big Picture to this entire over blown and politically incited issue all originated on that terrible day last year in Ferguson, MO
There IS NO war on Young Black Men by LEO's in this nation. Which just may be igniting a possible war on LEO's by those that believed the BS perpetuated by those that say there is. i.e. B-L-M and the Al Sharpton's out there.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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No but they sure are giving them protection TODAY as they call for the death of those men and women in uniform doing so... Gerg.
The photo does not show the 20-30 St. Paul PD's directly in front of the B-L-M group chanting for those LEO's demise shown here...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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The photo also doesn't show any violence against those 30 police.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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I agree they should not be chanting such obvious chants that bring violence possibly...Chief.
And they should be protecting them TODAY when they decided casually not too only 45 years ago.
peace
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Did I say it did Lorenzo.... NO.
But the video shows them chanting for the death to the very LEO's directly in front of them that are protecting their right to. Watch closely and you'll see two of the marchers in front pointing directly at the LEO's as the marchers chant the way over the top slogan.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
No war on LEO's huh.... interesting to see how you or anyone will twist that reality around.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Yeah. It's called free speech. You don't have to like it.
Still looking for the evidence of increased violence against cops and anarchy the OP claims.
So is the FBI.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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How bout this....
This is the manner in which those two communities memorialize their fallen friend/s. By looting and burning down their own community. Awesome.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
[Click to View YouTube Video]
All over the supposed WAR by LEO's on the young Black Men of this nation.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Ask yourself if you had a choice who would you rather be:
A young unemployed black male in the projects
or
a white male police officer with a job.
???
Police officers, as people who go into the military do, make a personal choice to take that job, and are paid to do so. Its a choice, a decision they make.
Young black men don't have to many choices about their lot in life.
Just food for thought.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Chief.
Your ilk decry anecdotal video evidence of violence by cops, why is anecdotal video evidence by citizens fair game?
I'm talking stats.
Come up with some. Violence is down. Of 900,00 sworn officers, 30 died by violence so far this year. That's .0033%. 54 died of illness, including heart attacks, or accidents, mostly traffic related.
If that's a war, it's a good one to be in. Better than any other wars I can think of.
We have problems. A war on cops isn't at the top of the list.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Sep 2, 2015 - 10:29am PT
Enough with your posting the truth bullsh#t. We don't want to read the facts. Get back to that trout stream so we can continue to proliferate the disproportionate and twisted untruths.
There, fixed it for ya Cranksss
You ilk decry anecdotal video evidence by cops, why is anecdotal video evidence by citizens fair game?
Because as I posted up page, those that wish to proliferate their totally unsubstantiated BS, pretty much ignited this entire issue with that BS. resulting in the ensuing behaviors depicted in the vids I posted.
It is because of the lack of true leadership on the part of those that had the opportunity to calm the situs down and instead poor gas onto a onto the local original events, that this issue is where it is today.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Young black men don't have to many choices about their lot in life.
Some of them may not have very good opportunities, or support, in following through with good choices.
But they still have a choice. And many thousands of them make good choices every single day.
Even as many young white men make wrong choices every single day.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Your come back is looting?!
Vancouver(big city in Canukistan) looted downtown and torched a cop car.
Cause of a hockey game gone bad.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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(Werner on cross border relations)
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
Canadians are Stupid tooooooo ....... :-)
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Young black men don't have to many choices about their lot in life.
They sure don't do they....
PS: All the above "black men" came from poverty stricken and the crime infested hoods of this country. And there's 1000's if not 100 of 1000's more just like the ones above.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Male aggression is the problem maybe....Canadians, Americans, the Brits....loot for whatever their cause.
Brits hooligan-it-up over soccer. Mature much?
My friends dad took part in this male dominated act:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War
thats right a war over football(soccer)!
Anyone got a stat on police women discharging their firearm?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Chief,
yes there a few black men and women from good households and neighborhoods that 'made it'
The vast majority don't; I've heard this from a thing called statistics.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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yes there a few black men and women from good households and neighborhoods that 'made it'
Do I need to waste space on this thread to paste the backgrounds of each one of the individuals I posted above.
Seriously....
The vast majority don't; I've heard this from a thing called statistics.
Far more Whites and other ethnicity's living in poverty in this nation than Blacks. Fact.
My last Skipper was Black and came from the Projects of So Chicago. Half of the Chief's I worked for throughout my Naval Career were Blacks. 2 of 6 pilots I flew with on the Ice were Black. Of the 476 crew I supervised before I retired, 206 were Black, 122 Latino's and the rest a mix match of other ethnicities... etc etc...
It is all personal choice as Bruce posted above.
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wheatBeer
Social climber
TheBronx
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I would like to thank Jody and Chief for reinforcing my standing motto
"QUESTION AUTHORITY!!!!"
Not asserting your rights is equivalent of waiving them.
Those two guys live in the fantasy world that "It's my way or the highway". The fact is that I have rights and can exercise them at anytime.
Everyday there is news about bad cops, attorneys and judges. From the Freddie Grays, Alex Landau in Denver, poor people in jail just for fines,Sandra Bland, ETC
Contempt of cop is not illegal. Violating my rights and giving orders that are not lawful is. Not every order and action that a cop does is a "lawful order".
To many cops think that the constitution is an obstacle instead their oath to protect. That right cops, you have to protect my rights at all times.
To many cops have the mentality that they have to be ready for a "911" incident at all times yet will never be in that type of situation or anything related.
IF cops want to dress and act like soldiers then they should join the Army.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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IF cops want to dress and act like soldiers then they should join the Army.
The current POTUS of this nation authorized and certified them to back in 2011. Blame him.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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IF cops want to dress and act like soldiers then they should join the Army.
That's deep. Dontchya wonder, like me, when you see news shots from East
Jibipistan that show 'plain clothes' cops arresting people? Don't all AK's
look the same?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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All over the supposed WAR by LEO's on the young Black Men of this nation.
Easy to typify it this way, but it's wrong. It is a war on ALL Black Men.
One of my physician partners is black, and he likes to drive very nice cars. He recounts how most of his career here in Los Angeles and Burbank, he was pulled over ONCE A WEEK. No explanation given for the pull over. His registration and license confirmed he was the owner (he is also a nice dresser, usually in a suit and tie), then let go.
He was able to reduce the incidence by driving a less nice car.
Or the elderly Harvard Professor who was arrested for breaking into his own house.......
"Hands up, Don't Shoot"
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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And Ken M....
My first 10 years in the Navy in Norfolk...
Was a very common warning sign on the local gov't and private businesses lawns etc. Many of those businesses were owned by Blacks in VA BCH. Many were enforced with a violent armed response when any of us did so. Fact.
Does that mean everyone in Norfolk/VA BCH treated us as such... No!
Your post is totally unsubstantiated for the norm in this country today as to the common LEO to Black interactions.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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IF cops want to dress and act like soldiers then they should join the Army.
Thats deep
....my girlfriend was in the military most of her life. She personally agrees with the first quote, especially when you see men dressed in camo and clearly are not in the service (hair, earrings, neck tats).
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Now for the rest of the "bitch fact" story...
Here's the latest indication that huge portions of the U.S. have missed out on the economic recovery: The number of black children living in poverty overtook the number of poor white children for the first time since the Census began tracking the children's poverty rate in 1974, according to a report released by the Pew Research Center on Tuesday.
As the U.S. economy improved, the number of white children living in poverty dropped from 4.9 million in 2010 to 4.1 million in 2013. Yet the number of poor black children declined much less. There were 4.4 million in 2010, and 4.2 million in 2013.
ALL under the current POTUS's watch.
Appears he hasn't done much for his own communities. Nor most of those communities that are led by Democratic leadership.. i.e. Chicago, Baltimore, D.C. St.Louis, Detroit etc etc etc....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Gerg, I've been to Canada in the fall. Y'all must have a lotta wannabe soldiers.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Reilly,
Sorry for my vague comment...in the city, not hunting.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Got it, would that include Barrie*? ;-)
*(The rels' 'hood')
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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So not sure if anyone wants to answer this climbing related question, but, what happened to the thread a few weeks back about the two dudes who re-worked the Half Dome route?
Did someone yank that thread?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Appears he hasn't done much for his own communities.
I assume 'he' is BHO?
Nice one using the Prez as a strawman.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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Reilly,
No waaay out west, never been to eastern Canada.
May be a diff lifestyle 'out there'?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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KEN M...
I ride my Buell/HD regularly. I have been pulled over a total of seven times this year alone by CHP and County Sheriff's for BS stuff like too small of a mirror etc. Each time I was courteous etc. and let go after the normal DL, REG and Insurance formalities.
I got ten bucks that says I got pulled over more times for such petty BS this year than you have your entire life driving.
Nice one using the Prez as a strawman.
Really?
Then who's fault is it.
Must be this White dudes fault. He of course worked directly for and under the Pres and was appointed by him.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Many were enforced with a violent armed response when any of us did so. Fact.
I'd like to see proof of a black business man from VA Beach getting armed and violent with a sailor on the grass.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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It is because of the lack of true leadership on the part of those that had the opportunity to calm the situs down and instead poor gas onto a onto the local original events, that this issue is where it is today.
The truth about police misconduct on youtube and twitter are the "gas" and nothing - NOTHING AND NOONE - is going to 'calm' the situation down given police abuse of blacks has been going on indiscriminately forever. Now that abuse is seeing the light of day for the first time en masse and the backlash will undoubtably continue for some time to come.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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I'd like to see proof of a black business man from VA Beach getting armed and violent with a sailor on the grass.
Ah Bruce, this was back in the early to mid 70's. There weren't cell phones or digi camera's back then. We only made a $378 a month after taxes back then as an E3. And we sure as hell didn't have a polaroid camera slung around our necks while in our blues either.
2/3rds of the local businesses in south VA BCH, Chesapeake and Norfolk proper back then were owned and operated by Blacks.
Even Clancy's, the local Titty Bar on VA BCH Blvd was owned by a retired Black BMCM (Master Chief).
Remember?
The truth about police misconduct on youtube and twitter ...Now that abuse is seeing the light of day for the first time en masse
And the other 90k plus LEO interactions per day nationwide that are done professionally etc go totally unnoticed.
Wonderful.
Healyje, I suspect that you have fked up once or twice in your life. Should anyone base your entire life and attitude on those onesey or twosey events?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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And the other 90k plus LEO interactions per day nationwide that are done professionally
Fact?
or given that cops are just now being caught on video en masse, is it more like they are the ones being caught and many other cops continue to get away with harassing those they are sworn to 'serve and protect'
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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You're right... it's probably twice the amount of professional LEO interactions per day in this nation which I noted that go totally unnoticed.
Do you even know how many regular traffic stops are conducted alone in this nation per day are Compton?
Thanks for correcting me.
caught on video en masse,
Post them "masse's" up.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The abuses aren't 'en masse', the distribution of them now is.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jody,
What you wrote in the OP was:
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 1, 2015 - 05:38pm PT
...the misguided hatred of law enforcement in general has led to open season on police officers. Hope all of you are happy.
a) "All of you" seems pretty inclusive. I don't see any limiting of the field in the OP. You didn't EXCLUDE who didn't speak poorly of cops.
2) There is no open season. Violence against cops is down.
III) Are you burned out? Seek counseling.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Yeah, seek counseling.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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SuperTorture, the center of the circular argument universe.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Real anarchy is not chaos...
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Precisely and that is why I am here.... hooooooya!
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Yeah it sure is Locker. Did you actually see how many of the incidents indicated in the "Killed by the Police" FB page were all initiated by the victims.. ie involved in a "Shootout" scenario.
https://www.facebook.com/KilledByPolice?fref=nf
I refer you back to the video I posted early on how to avoid getting your ass kicked by the police. In many of the cases noted by "Killed by the Police" FB page, they should have watched it prior to making the choices that they did that ended in their death.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Moosedrool....keep your nose clean, we have a date for IC!
I'm at Dulles airport waiting for my flight to Dubai, then on to the Caucasus and Turkey....back 10/6.
Make sure Vitaliy stays out of trouble too.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Locker...
It's rather overwhelming...
Read/viewed about all I care to...
I agree 100%. The fact that people just do not understand that you do not fk with the Cops, let alone pull and then utilize a weapon on them and expect to walk away alive.
Very disturbing how people today are so dense and stooooopid.
Thanks for agreeing with me Locker.
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dirtbag
climber
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This idiot looks happy!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Most idiots are happy, comes with the territory....ask Jody.
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
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Jody , I support the police.
My cousin is a cop, thanks for all you do for the community !
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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I didn't say it was no big deal but it's not like it's open season like you are portraying in your OP. There's a larger perspective to take and I think a couple of particularly egregious recent events may have blinded you to that fact.
Perhaps some repetition will beat it into your thick skull...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Ha, ha, ha Jody....carry on, off to the Caucasus..in fact, I'm at Dulles Airport waiting for my next flight.
You seem to hover around this OT thread like a proud mother.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 2, 2015 - 05:09pm PT
For seven years I worked directly with the Mesa (AZ) and Apache Junction Cops (FBI occasionally)...
I got to know many...
Almost every single one of them appeared to actually give a damn about the clients/patients they brought in...
When I was, uh, sort of, uh, trouble maker(??? ;-) I got experienced in a different way... (And before Rodney King!!!)
and many, many other situations, before and after (^^^)...
Again, in almost every single situation...
so long as I didn't run or resist (Back to that before Rodney King comment above... LOL!!!)...
the Cops did their best to lessen the charges... (Not true in the above Rodney King situation... LMAO!!!)...
Cops are just people doing a tough as hell job...
Easy for them to become callous...(and a crazy fuk is a crazy fuk, cop or not, and some crazy sick fuk cops slip through)
I wouldn't want to be a Cop...
DID someone hyjack Lockers computer?????
PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST.... thanks Locker.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Have a safe trip, Jim. This thread should be nuked by the time you return.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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EDITED:
All about education...
If you don't know...
much wiser to ask or STFU...
rather than assume...
That a boy! Back on track so the tribe can see you're still.....
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cpesci
Trad climber
WA
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Supertopo is a climbing forum thus lets talk about climbing.
Quote straight from the site
"Our goal with the climbing forum is to provide a resource for climbers of all skill levels and experience to get information about climbing and climbing destinations."
lets keep it about foundling rocks ladies and gents.
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Norton
Social climber
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did you read this, ass wipe?
For starters, Obama was not silent. He called the slain officer’s widow on Monday and issued a statement saying he had told Kathleen Goforth “that Michelle and I would keep her and her family in our prayers. I also promised that I would continue to highlight the uncommon bravery that the police show in our communities every single day. They put their lives on the line for our safety.” Obama has made statements of this sort over and over. Vilification this is not.
also show and post here the link to your source that backs up your claim that the US
President incited rioting or said anything negative about LE that you took of out context
and when you cannot, shut your ignorant mouth
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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And we wonder why there is divisiveness.
Susan
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Do you copY? How many bad cops are there? Your guess is no better than anyone else's.
On the night of December 27, 1986, 20-year-old Cara Knott was driving south on Interstate 15 from her boyfriend's home in Escondido, California to her parents' home in El Cajon, when Peyer, who was on duty in a marked CHP patrol car, directed Knott to pull off the freeway on an isolated, unfinished off-ramp. It was later discovered that Peyer had also been harassing a number of other female drivers in the same area and pulling them over on the same off-ramp and was supposedly trying to pick them up as dates. In the Knott case, it was thought that the situation escalated to physicality when Knott threatened to report Peyer for his inappropriate actions. When he attempted to grab her she slashed and scratched his face. Peyer then bludgeoned her with his flashlight and strangled her with a rope. He then threw her body over the edge of an abandoned bridge where she fell into the brush below.
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The first trial resulted in a hung jury. Upon retrial, testimony regarding a potential second suspect and a hearsay explanation for the defendant's scratches was ruled inadmissible, and Peyer was found guilty of murder, the first-ever conviction of murder by an on-duty CHP officer.[1] In 1988, Peyer was sentenced to 25 years to life.
After conviction, Peyer continued to claim his innocence. In 2004, Peyer was asked if he would contribute a sample of his DNA to a San Diego County program that was designed and initiated to use DNA samples to possibly exonerate wrongfully imprisoned persons, since at the time of his trial and conviction such testing was not yet available. Peyer refused to provide any DNA for the test. At a subsequent parole hearing in 2004, when asked why he wouldn't provide a DNA sample, Peyer refused to answer. The board denied his parole on the grounds of his lack of remorse for the crime as well as for his refusal to explain why he was saying he was innocent yet he would not let anyone help him prove it.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Dude...
I've come to understand
That's impossible.... LOcker!
So very impossible. Nice try though, seriously.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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So I got to thinking about it a bit...
I'm a totally qualified idiot..quite often. I am endlessly, indefatigably capable of really stupid sh#t... Although I tend to pride myself more about my moments of occasional intelligence.
I am generally pretty damn happy with life.. I feel really lucky to be here.
So yeah
Thanks Jody..appreciate the well wishes.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Crankster: “. . . then the whole nation is degraded.”
Really? Is that how it works? Wow. Impressive.
(Try not to take things so seriously or concretely.)
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Who's more overpaid in California?
city cops
county cops
CHP
prison guards
Answer:
All of the above,
including their ludicrously high retirement benefits (as wacky as military retirement)
brought to you by:
Law Enforcement Fleecing of the Public
(LeFLOP)
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Have the police unions enacted or encouraged work slowdowns in Baltimore and other racially charged cities?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Taking the job is a choice as is military service...
... you are not special.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2015 - 08:14pm PT
Supertopo is a climbing forum thus lets talk about climbing.
Wrong. It is a "Climber's Discussion Forum".
Correct! Hanging out with Warren and the gang, climbing was not a topic often discussed, as I remember.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Fascinating rebuttal from a clinical perspective...
... so you would have been a janitor if the benefits were better?
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Degaine
climber
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Jody wrote:
Too bad your meaningless job doesn't have the benefits mine does.
Out of curiosity, how do you know that Todd Eastman's job is meaningless? Or at the least, meaningless to him? (Since we all do not find fulfillment or meaning in the same things.)
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Numbnutz was uses in this thread..
+1 Jody
I remember when donini posted a thread about free Healthcare. He hovered his thread like a mother also..
That blacklivesmatter with bernie is division at its best..
Edit: I'm a janitor also. Or at times.. one of my surf buddies is a janitor at UCLA it's his gravy job before his retirement. .
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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Jody...Only knowing Eastrman in passing , i would gander that he's got a pretty sweet gig going on career wise and with his recreational passions...rj
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jody,
clarification:
is 'you idiots' people who disagree with you or society in general?
if this infant was more 'courteous', I am sure he wouldn't be disabled for life. Little bugger was just asking for it, huh? Cops all walked and were congratulated by the DA for throwing a grenade into a crib.
'Merika. Proud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnXBTEwiwuc
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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And the promise of a good retirement helped me make that decision.
I'm sure you feel the same way about teachers, the public servants who have the same customer base, but can't dispose of the ones they disagree with as easily.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Look at the grief on this child's face.
Share this picture to put a spotlight on the
killing of police. This 9 year old child's father
is Louisiana State Police Senior Trooper Steven Vincent.
Trooper Vincent was murdered - executed - while on duty.
Today was the Trooper's funeral (and the Troopers son is
standing in the picture with Col Mike Edmonson who
gave the eulogy.
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10b4me
Social climber
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And the promise of a good retirement helped me make that decision.
So you were in it for the money, and not to protect, and serve.
Jody, you seem to be a very bitter person. . . . . . . For a Christian.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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10b...no, to "Protect and Serve" was NOT why I initially joined. Growing tired of being a poor, starving college student is why I signed up. Once established in the career, "Protect and Serve" came to the forefront. The only reason I put up with fighting drunks and slipping on 15 year-old boys' brains on the roadway, etc., was because it supported my family well and I saw light at the end of the tunnel with retirement benefits. Otherwise, nobody in their right mind would put up with that crap. I seriously got way more joy out of helping a stranded driver in the middle of the desert on a 115 degree day get on their way than I did writing a 100+ mph speeding ticket or taking a drunk to jail.
If you had put this anecdote in the OP, the responses would have been a lot different. Jus sayin.
thanks for having been a good cop.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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There is a reason you stopped posting to Supertopo: you have the cognitive skills of Bluering, but in your case we can't just chalk it up to too much etoh. You have temper tantrums, you're so oblivious to your own idiocy that you think anyone who angrily, but cogently, responds to one of your tantrums is themself an idiot--you make a fool of yourself with such dramatic flair.
Case in point:
Jody
climber
Occupied Territory
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
Idiots....paint with a broad brush, disparage everyone who has a different point of view and are hopelessly inept in dealing with nuanced arguments.
You finally admitted what you are. That is exactly what you do. Thanks for being honest...finally.
Read my post to Norton...it applies to you too.
Your photos are great, but once you start typing . . . sheesh!
I suggest you keep your face in the real toilet bowls instead of, figuratively speaking, repeatedly having your nose shoved in your own shite, until you again depart in a humiliated, self-righteous huff.
If it were only a troll, it would be a pretty good one, but we know this really is the real you in all your vainglory.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Daily Kos = Fox News
Both entities are a 1/10 at best.
Move along Ken M..... unless of course you are going to post something, anything , of substance that isn't, bias.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Hmm imagine that, a cop not telling the truth...
* Does his current administrative leave include pay?
* Will he be brought up on perjury charges?
* Will he be brought up on the unlawful discharge of a firearm with the enhancement of being in a school zone?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Yosef H. Tulu was just 31 years old and getting ready to married this spring when he was killed Tuesday morning at the 7-11 store where he was working as a clerk in Garlad Texas according to the local news stations report.
Colten Jon Moore, 18, was charged with capital murder in the death of Garland 7-11 Clerk, Yosef Tulu. His bond is set at $1,000,000. (credit: Garland Police Department)
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jody, your cover is blown, "Occupied territory"...? I'm guessing you're dissatisfied with your government, angry at the white man's diminished superiority and you don't get laid very often.
You pay, at most, 25 cents on the dollar in taxes for: The greatest military in history, police, firefighters, food safety, NASA, NOAA, FEMA (Bush screwed that up), schools, and so on. But Jody, I need you! I need you to cancel out the equally perverse leftist and help maintain this beautiful social equilibrium we enjoy.
Keep on keepin on and say hello to Clivin Bundy for me.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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This thread, hands down
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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There's good cops and there's bad cops- ok,nuff said!
Jody, you're way in the weeds on the details...WHO ARE YOU?
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Sad case. $12 ticket ends up with a dead guy.
There is a lack of patience in many cases similar to this, and a demand that the public respect their authority, or the tazers and choke holds come out. Defend yourself and the officer will "fear for his life" and pull his piece. After action reports will fully back up the coward cop with other police witnesses that repeat the story. A cop yelling "stop resisting" is probably the most obvious sign some poor sot is getting punished for no showing adequate respect for authorit'ay.
Running from cops pretty much assures a beat down once you are caught, even if you come out with your hands up (no wonder people run...). The horse escape guy recently was a prefect example. If not for a news copter those 13 cops would have never been held to account for punching, kicking, and stomping an handcuffed guy laying on the ground.
Unless there is video, or many witnesses, the investigation will almost certainly clear the cop, the prosecutor will not press charges and things will carry on. Speak out against it and you will are labeled "anti-cop" rather than pro-constitution, or pro-justice.
Take the UC Davis pepper spray incident. The cop was well documented to be spraying people sitting on the ground posing zero threat at the time. He ended up getting $38k in workman's comp for psychological suffering rather than getting charged with assault as he should have.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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But why couldn't they have just moved away, and then shot him in the leg or arm or???...
that takes the fun out of it.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Recently saw on the news where the Cops shot and killed a man that became threatening, wielding a pipe or some object similar...
Once you arm the cops, they have to defend their guns. Protect & Serve becomes secondary to protecting their firearm. If they leave an opportunity open for someone to get their gun they are derelict in their duties.
Sadly this comes with a huge price. Once you are required to take a protective posture and control the situation to protect your firearm there is much less room left to de-escalate a situation or given anyone the benefit of the doubt if they make any sudden moves.
The public has a very different response to an armed cop than an unarmed one. It makes the adrenaline flow knowing that they are dealing with someone who can easily take their life, and who is likely barking orders at them. Put a layer of body armor on and you are now getting yelled at by a lethal alien being rather than talking with a fellow human. Even innocent people react in ways they normally would not, either running or even attacking in reaction when there is no good reason to do either. We seem unwilling to try disarming cops, and have swung the other way.
I do agree whole heartedly that the current training regimen of every cop emptying their clip at mass center once the shooting starts is uncalled for. The recent Cleveland backfire case (among many others) shows how awful this practice is. If I keep hitting an intruder with a baseball bat after knocking him out it is murder. If I cop reloads and keeps firing at a wounded unarmed suspect it is not. Way messed up.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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A part-time police officer who claimed to have been shot at on Wednesday before getting into a fiery car accident with his cruiser completely fabricated the story, police said. Millis Police Sgt.Photo Credit: Facebook
Has a badge and a gun.
Johnson was hired in June as a permanent intermittent police officer for the town.
But a day after the incident, Dwyer said ballistic testing determined that the only bullets found at the scene belonged to Johnson.
Dwyer said an investigation found the officer “fired shots at his own cruiser as a part of a plan to concoct a story that he was fired upon.”
 See more at: http://connecticut.newshub.us/news/item/09-04-2015/Cop%20Made%20Up%20Shooting%20Story#sthash.BaeKbp7E.dpuf
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Not any more.
Fired and charges filed.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Obviously Bryan was in fear for his life and stressed out. Can't wait for his disability retirement payments to begin.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Imagine if teachers or nurses killed unarmed people on a regular basis...
No one is saying cops don't have tough jobs, so do teachers and nurses, but they need to act professionally.
The video evidence of late shows a lot of cops acting unprofessionally. The knee jerk reaction from the like of Chief is that ALL cops are above criticism because most are good cops. Indeed, a few bad cops are ruining the pubic's respect for all cops. Yet, the DA and cop unions insist bad cops walk for murder because they wear blue.
no, bad cops are just bad people in blue. and should be punished as such.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Well, I'm very very happy. I just ate a great lunch! (and am ignoring all the political sh#t)
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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^^ exactly.
mentally disabled people should be approached differently than a gang member.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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I did time in Florence...Had my own sandbox...rj
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Can you please quantify what an acceptable number of bad cops is?
How many bad shootings/killings by cops should be accepted?
How many heavy handed crack downs on protests should be accepted?
How many racial profile driven stops should be accepted?
How many times should we accept lies on police reports?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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More, a lot more, is, and should be, expected of you when you put on a badge and strap on a gun and swear to preserve the peace. The vast majority of police do a good job, a very few glaringly go wrong and they stand out, and should.
Yes, much more is expected of certain professions, usually ones where peoplse's saftey and well being come into play......airline pilots and doctors come to mind. From pilots we want damn near perfection.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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At least with Pilots, they go down with you.
Being an airline pilot was identified as the third most dangerous occupation, btw.
Being a cop wasn't in the top 10 most dangerous jobs.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nice thought Patrick .....a little too nuanced for some folks here. Actually requires a modicum of thought which is the polar enemy of that most delicious of human emotions....visceral reaction.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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There have always been good cops doing a very tough job, with a few bad cops giving all a bad reputation.
Bad cops have been killing inner city citizens, many unarmed, often thugs but too often innocent, for a long time.
Cell phone cameras have brought this reality front and center.
Cops just need to be better than potential perps. That is their job description.
However, today's climate now has something new. I think Jody's approach is a little harsh, but there is a perception that there is a war on cops.
The inflammatory rhetoric coming from some leftist radicals seems to advocate violence against cops.
Here is link talking about a recent Rasmussen poll on this subject. Disagree with Jody's approach on the subject, but his perception is shared by a majority of Americans of all races.
http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/090315-769496-majority-of-voters-sees-war-on-police.htm
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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Got no problem with Chippys draining the Calpers bank , but when they start building cat doors and wheel chair ramps without permits , contractor licenses , and engineering , i get all nuanced..
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Jody, making as much sense as usual. STFU.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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30% less cops have been killed on duty since Obama has taken office compared to Reagan and the 2 Bush's first 6 years
Check the facts before you make outrageous claims
Officer Deaths by Year
Year-by-Year Breakdown of Law Enforcement Deaths throughout U.S. History
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html
So to say there is a rash is Cop killing is just another political propaganda fear mongering position propagated by right wing media sites hoping to create a buzz
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Shades of Yellow Journalism Craig. ;-)
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Hope you idiots are happy...
Of course we are, we have like ONE thought at a time going through our brain, and 7 out of 10 is "Yay! I'm still alive!"
Damn happy, thank you for asking.
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Degaine
climber
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Gillegard wrote:
"Being a cop wasn't in the top 10 most dangerous jobs."
And yet a Cop has more than 20 x the chance of being murdered vs an unarmed Black Person being killed by a Cop, based on Population. Perhaps the emotion engendered on both these issues is over blown in the Media.
"Unarmed black person" is not a profession; you're comparison is invalid.
The profession comparison statistics are not based on the overall population but on the number of deaths per workers in the profession.
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Degaine
climber
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donini wrote:
Actually requires a modicum of thought which is the polar enemy of that most delicious of human emotions....visceral reaction.
Bolded by me.
Add to that a side of "sweeping generalization" and you have a full meal that is impossible for most to resist.
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Todd Townsend
Social climber
Bishop, CA
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According to the Officer Down website we can currently use a figure of 30 Deaths by Homicide at this given date in a population of full and part time Sworn Law Enforcement Officers of about 800,000. So that works out to be 2.66 per 100,000.
Currently, there have been 61 unarmed blacks killed by Law Enforcement in 2015 according to the Guardian's database. 61 in a Population base of 45,000,000 is .133 per 100,000.
Currently there have been 161 unarmed People killed by Law Enforcement in 2015 in the USA according to the Guardians database. 161 in a population base of 318,000,000 is .0506 per 100,000.
A Law Enforcement Officer in the USA is over 20 times more likely to be murdered than an unarmed Black person is to be killed by Police.
Irrelevant statistics. The numbers you should be looking at are the number of unarmed black folks killed by police vs the number of police killed by unarmed black folks. The problem is that police are treating unarmed black folks (men in particular) as if they present a uniquely mortal threat. How many cops have been killed by unarmed black people?
Furthermore, rather than using total population numbers, you should be looking at the number of citizen fatalities by police vs the number of citizen interactions with police. The vast majority of our population never comes in contact with police officers in their daily lives.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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^^^^^
guy would get capped in a second by a cop, he is obviously hiding something behind his back.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"SHOW ME YOUR HANDS, MOTHETRF*#KER!!!"
EDIT:
Mr Townsend writes:
"How many cops have been killed by unarmed black people?"
Black or otherwise, the fact that it happens means it's something cops need to watch out for.
How many of those in the unarmed column were killed while trying to arm themselves with a cop's gun? A fight for a cop's gun seems to me to be a fight for the cop's life, so if a cop has to shoot someone to make them stop doing that, then that's what they have to do.
Up in WA, a naked guy killed a cop:
"NEWCASTLE — A veteran King County sheriff’s deputy was killed yesterday when a nude and highly agitated man who’d been running in traffic and pounding on cars took the officer’s gun and shot him repeatedly outside an apartment complex here."
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20020623&slug=deputy23m0
I don't know if it was a black guy, or not. That was 2002-BO ( before Obama ), when the race of the participants wasn't important enough to note.
Now, "what race is the guy?" is the first thing everybody wants to know.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"cop killings are down...period."
The reasons seem to be evolving, though.
Why people are killing cops matters more to the non-cop citizen than the numbers of cops being killed.
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Todd Townsend
Social climber
Bishop, CA
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It serves the purpose to help me understand the Reality behind all the media spin about Unarmed Blacks being killed by Police, and the risk to each Black individual in the general population. The deaths are rare and over-sensationalized in our Media driven lives.
I think we might disagree on the definition of "rarity" and "risk." While it's true that being killed by police is still a relatively uncommon way of dying, our cops kill far more people each year compared to other developed countries when adjusted for population. I'd argue that that makes it still a too common occurrence.
As far as risk goes, black people are more than twice as likely to be killed by police than white people are, when adjusted for population. It is this disparity (in addition to trying to reduce the total number of police killings) that the Black Lives Matter movement is trying to address. Whether or not you think this is over-sensationalized in the media is likely a matter of perspective. I'd suspect that most BLM activists don't feel that the issue gets nearly enough media attention.
For anyone seriously interested in this subject, I'd highly recommend checking out the Guardian's interactive database on police killings: The Counted.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jody wrote: @ Bob d'idiot Antonio, cop killings are down due to better training and overall competence. To say the job is less dangerous because fewer cops are killed is like saying there are fewer accidents because people are wearing their seatbelts and not dying.
Who said it was less dangerous chubby?
But you do know crime is down, especially violent crimes.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Cops killing innocent people has dropped in jurisdictions that have adopted body cameras. Obama's fault, again
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Define "innocent".
Well, let's see. Dude gets roughed up and cuffed for selling cigarettes. He dies from it.
Pretty much every breathing person who ends up dead from being roughed up and cuffed, and yes, I mean roughed up for no reason.
When you guys cuff people these days, you are trained in all sorts of ways to inflict pain and overcome the individual. That dude who was selling smokes died from it, despite saying that he couldn't breathe a dozen times.
The DA would call that manslaughter at the least, if one person had done that to another person. Cops get much more latitude.
Where I live, our cops are great. The don't beat mentally ill people to death. Remember that guy in Orange County? Kelly something?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 5, 2015 - 11:39am PT
Yes we are happy Jody that cop killings are down under Obama.
Jody is the idiot for posting this crap...cop killings are down...period.
And supposedly "Black Killings by Cops" are up under Obama?
Gee, shows where your POTUS's priorities are at. Cares more about Cops than his own Brothers and their neighborhoods.
Thanks BOBDA for reminding us all of that.. FACT!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Even if you have done nothing wrong otherwise yet fail to comply with a cop's orders and do something suspicious and stupid and get yourself shot you aren't exactly innocent.
you are EXACTLY innocent. The opposite of innocent is guilty.
The police are in charge of enforcing laws. What law is someone guilty of that requires their execution? So all people who are mentally challenged (remember that half the population has an IQ of less than 100), who probably consistantly do stupid things, particularly when under great stress, have committed an offense punishable by immediate execution?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Rather Interesting video just released....
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Here's the "Training" the Black Lives Matter Activist supporter Reverend speaks of that he went through. Eye Opening to say the least.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g&feature=share
The training that all you wanna-be nobody live out in the desert or no where near the combat zone hood shetwhinners should ask to go through to see how you all would react in the same every day scenario's that all cops go through daily. Day in and day out.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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I, Patrick Compton would comply.
But...
I am white, not mentally ill, not on drugs. Ive had a good life without having to live in constant fear of police, gangs, etc that is daily life for low socioeconomic people not as lucky as me.
Cops that kill often escalate the fear response of an already stressed out suspect. Why?
Its called perspective taking. Try it sometime.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Even if you have done nothing wrong otherwise yet fail to comply with a cop's orders and do something suspicious and stupid and get yourself shot you aren't exactly innocent.
Wow!
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Its called perspective taking. Try it sometime.
Since you appear to be far more versed at these type situ's than I ever could be, please do share one of your experiences where your ass was on the line in a split seconds notice in a situ of this type.
Cops that kill often escalate the fear response of an already stressed out suspect.
Have you ever been in any situ where you had to terminate another human being there Compton?
I am white, not mentally ill, not on drugs. Ive had a good life without having to live in constant fear of police, gangs, etc that is daily life for low socioeconomic people not as lucky as me.
Apparently not. Thank you for letting us know that your opinion is therefore a completely moot one regarding this issue. As you have absolutely ZERO experience in ever being is such a situ.
EDIT:
Just need to add the the "white" point adds to your completely moot opinion. Twice as many "whites" are killed annually by the police than are blacks.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Because LOcker, I have clipped into your shitty ass placed anchor bolts that in fact pulled right out with a single tap of a hammer.
Next typical glue motivated post, LOcker..
Edit: No drums, no anything heard anywhere. Wait. I hear something that perfectly fits your posts just to the tee LOcker....
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Why are you posting a UK's puppet paper BABda?
Why not post Obama's DOJ and FBI stats.
Here's 2015 alone...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2015
OH.... I know why.
Peter Moskos, an assistant professor at New York City University’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, has concluded that during the period ranging from May 2013 to April of 2015 roughly 49% of those killed by LEOs were white, while only 30% were black.
Investigators from ProPublica came about with similar findings using FBI data from 1980-2012. Even the fact-checking PolitiFact concluded that more whites than blacks had been killed by police from 1999-2011.
But there are many incidents where whites are killed by police which go unreported. Gilbert Collar, for example, a white 18-year-old University of South Alabama student, who was naked, unarmed, and high on drugs when he was shot and killed by a black officer.
Why, if black Americans commit more violent crimes, are more whites killed by police?
Moskos suggests two reasons. First, police assigned to largely black communities face “more political fallout when they shoot, and thus receive better training and are less inclined to shoot.” Secondly, officers assigned to black neighborhoods are more accustomed to dangerous situation and thus more likely to attempt to find a non-lethal solution.
While statistics may help us to learn the truth about things we believe we perceive, the media is only interested in fanning flames. Stories that don’t play the race card just don’t get the same ratings.
The last sentence pretty much sums up most of the BOBda's here.
You too LOcker.
Are there more white or black people in America and could that have ANY thing to do with it???...
"Yer GONNA die!!!"... IF.... you clip a LOcker placed bolt!!!!!!!!
Fixed it for ya, LOcker.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Someone seems to have an issue with reading.
"About half the victims were white, half minority. But the demographics shifted sharply among the unarmed victims, two-thirds of whom were black or Hispanic. Overall, blacks were killed at three times the rate of whites or other minorities when adjusting by the population of the census tracts where the shootings occurred.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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NO BOOOBDA...
Where did I ever mention anything of the sorts.
Talk about total FAIL reading comprehension..
Here is my original post BOOBda,
The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 5, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
Its called perspective taking. Try it sometime.
Since you appear to be far more versed at these type situ's than I ever could be, please do share one of your experiences where your ass was on the line in a split seconds notice in a situ of this type.
Cops that kill often escalate the fear response of an already stressed out suspect.
Have you ever been in any situ where you had to terminate another human being there Compton?
I am white, not mentally ill, not on drugs. Ive had a good life without having to live in constant fear of police, gangs, etc that is daily life for low socioeconomic people not as lucky as me.
Apparently not. Thank you for letting us know that your opinion is therefore a completely moot one regarding this issue. As you have absolutely ZERO experience in ever being is such a situ.
EDIT:
Just need to add the the "white" point adds to your completely moot opinion. Twice as many "whites" are killed annually by the police than are blacks.
Again BOOBda, thank you for verifying the opinion I posted by an individual that does this for a living and NOT someone that lives in the north NM desert, drills holes in rocks, places bolts in em, sprays about all them bolts he's drilled/placed and photographs birds all day. ie, you, BOOBda.
Peter Moskos, an assistant professor at New York City University’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, has concluded that during the period ranging from May 2013 to April of 2015 roughly 49% of those killed by LEOs were white, while only 30% were black.
While statistics may help us to learn the truth about things we believe we perceive, the media is only interested in fanning flames. Stories that don’t play the race card just don’t get the same ratings.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Gotta blame someone for the completely asinine totally bias distorted political bullshet BOOBda and Craig Fry post on here.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Of course they are LOcker.....
those two cohorts are pretty much right the fuk on the mark in my honest opinion...
You're a business man as well. To go against the likes of BOOBda etal and the rest of the those STers here that are pretty much in the same shot out boat as he and Craig Fry, would put you and your climbing shoe resole business, out.
Gotta say and do what ya gotta say and do to put money in the bank.
I completely get that, LOcker. Good for you.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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I am in FACT a LIBERAL MINDED person that is 100% sick and fuking tired of the Repulican and Tea Party IDIOTS...
Rest my case.
You should put that that on a billboard then have it pointing to your shop. You'll have to hire a bunch of illegals and pay them $5 and hour under the table to keep up with the business you'll get.
Seriously.
BUT: Being that close to 29 Palms MCTC, you might want to reconsider cus you'd most assuredly get your white scrawny ass beat to a pulp the first day it goes up.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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WOW...
You call this incredible human being, a clown?
Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan, the son of Sonya (née Copeland) and Robert Solomon Carson, a Seventh-day Adventist minister.[3] Both his parents came from rural Georgia.[3] A DNA test on the television series African American Lives showed that his ancestry is 20% European and 80% African, including ancestors within the Makua people.[4] His parents divorced when he was eight, and he and his ten-year-old brother Curtis were raised by their mother.[5]
In his book Gifted Hands, Carson relates that in his youth, he had a violent temper. Once, while in the ninth grade, he nearly stabbed a friend during a fight over a radio station.[6] After this incident, he began reading the Book of Proverbs, applying verses on anger and thereafter "never had another problem with temper".[7][8][9]
Carson attended Southwestern High School in Southwest Detroit where he excelled in JROTC, which is a program sponsored by the United States Armed Forces. He quickly rose in rank and was offered an appointment to West Point.[10]
Carson graduated from Yale University, where he majored in psychology.[11] He received his M.D. from the University of Michigan Medical School.[12][13] He completed his residency in neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore.
Carson was a professor of neurosurgery, oncology, plastic surgery, and pediatrics, and he was the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital.[15] At 33, he became the youngest major division director in the hospital's history as director of pediatric neurosurgery. He was also a co-director of the Johns Hopkins Craniofacial Center.
Carson specialized in traumatic brain injuries, brain and spinal cord tumors, achondroplasia, neurological and congenital disorders, craniosynostosis, epilepsy, and trigeminal neuralgia.[15]
Carson believes his hand–eye coordination and three-dimensional reasoning made him a gifted surgeon.[16] After medical school, he became a neurosurgery resident at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He began his career as a neurosurgeon, but also developed an interest in pediatrics.[16]
In 1987, Carson successfully separated conjoined twins, the Binder twins, who had been joined at the back of the head (craniopagus twins). The 70-member surgical team, led by Carson, worked for 22 hours. Both twins survived.[17][18][19]
Carson figured in the revival of the hemispherectomy, a drastic surgical procedure in which part or all of one hemisphere of the brain is removed to control severe pediatric epilepsy. He refined the procedure in the 1980s, encouraged by John M. Freeman,[20] and performed it many times.[21]
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Carson has served on the boards of the Kellogg Company, Costco, and the Academy of Achievement.[23] He is an emeritus fellow of the Yale Corporation.[23][24][25]
In March 2013, Carson announced he would retire as a surgeon, stating "I'd much rather quit when I'm at the top of my game".[26] His retirement became official on July 1, 2013.[27]
Awards and honors
Carson is a member of the American Academy of Achievement,[28] Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society[29] and the Horatio Alger Association of Distinguished Americans.[30] Carson has been awarded 38 honorary doctorate degrees and dozens of national merit citations.[31] Detroit Public Schools opened the Dr. Benjamin Carson High School of Science and Medicine[32] for students interested in pursuing healthcare careers. The school is partnering with Detroit Receiving Hospital and Michigan State University.[33]
In 2000, he received the Award for Greatest Public Service Benefiting the Disadvantaged, an award given out annually by Jefferson Awards.[34]
In 2001, he was elected by the Library of Congress on the occasion of its 200th anniversary to be one of the 89 who earned the designation Library of Congress Living Legend.[35]
In 2004, he was appointed to serve on The President's Council on Bioethics.[36]
In 2005, Dr. Carson was awarded the William E. Simon Prize for Philanthropic Leadership.[37]
In 2006, he received the Spingarn Medal from the NAACP, their highest honor for outstanding achievement.[38]
In 2008, the White House awarded Carson the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor.[39]
In 2008, Ford’s Theatre Society awarded Carson the Ford's Theatre Lincoln Medal, for exemplifying the qualities embodied by President Abraham Lincoln—including courage, integrity, tolerance, equality, and creative expression—through superior achievements.[40][41]
In 2008, U.S. News & World Report named Dr. Carson as one of "America's Best Leaders".[42]
In 2010, he was elected into the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine, considered one of the highest honors in the fields of health and medicine.[43]
In 2012, Carson was the Influential Marylander Award recipient from The Daily Record, Baltimore's legal and business newspaper.[44]
In 2014, an American poll conducted by Gallup ranked Carson sixth on a list of the most admired men in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson
Good for you LOcker.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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The puppet shet you post here LOcker.
Call incredible human beings such as Dr. Ben Carson, an individual that has done more for humanity, white, black, green brown, etc etc etc than all you and your dirtwads politard jackasse buttbuddies here on on ST put together have, a clown.
Just reiterates the complete biased idiocy in your posts and "opinion", LOcker.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Do you even know why Dr. Carson chose to retire as one of the best Pediatric Neurosurgeons on this planet to run for the POTUS?
Obviously not. Had you done your research on Dr. Carson prior to doing so, you would not have included him in your biased politard puppet post above.
locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 5, 2015 - 04:03pm PT
"Just reiterates the complete biased idiocy in your posts and "opinion", LOcker."...
FACT!!!...
It took you longer than everyone else here on Super Topo...
to figure that out..
Thanks for verifying that you are in fact a total politard buffoon.
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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For such an accomplished guy, Uncle Ben sure says some remarkably stupid stuff:
1) On whether being gay is a choice: “Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight””and when they come out, they’re gay. So, did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question.”
2) On political correctness: “I mean, [our society is] very much like Nazi Germany. And I know you’re not supposed to say ‘Nazi Germany,’ but I don’t care about political correctness. You know, you had a government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe.”
3) On the IRS: “You know, we live in a Gestapo age, people don’t realize it.”
4) On Advanced Placement history class: “I think most people, when they finish that course, they’d be ready to go sign up for ISIS.”
5) On veterans dying waiting for medical care from the Department of Veterans Affairs: “I think what’s happening with the veterans is a gift from God to show us what happens when you take layers and layers of bureaucracy and place them between the patients and the health care provider. And if we can’t get it right, with the relatively small number of veterans, how in the world are you going to do it with the entire population?”
6) On Obamacare: “You know, Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. And it is, in a way””it is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government.”
7) On Obama’s appearance: When a colleague said the president “looks clean. Shirt’s white. The tie. He looks elegant,” Carson responded: “Like most psychopaths. That’s why they’re successful. That’s the way they look. They all look great.” He later said: “But he knows he’s telling a lie! He’s trying to sell what he thinks is not true! He’s sitting there saying, ‘These Americans are so stupid I can tell them anything.’”
8) On similarities between the Founding Fathers, who were “willing to die for what they believed,” and ISIS: “They’ve [ISIS] got the wrong philosophy, but they’re willing to die for what they believe, while we’re busily giving away every value and every belief for the sake of political correctness.”
9) On the importance of the GOP winning the Senate in 2014: In August, Carson said he couldn’t be sure “there will even be an election in 2016” if Republicans didn’t go on to win that fall. (His wife also said they were keeping their son’s Australian passport handy if the election didn’t go their way.)
— http://www.nationaljournal.com/twentysixteen/2015/05/04/9-Ben-Carsons-Most-Controversial-Quotes
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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As you have absolutely ZERO experience in ever being is such a situ.
True; however, in a thing we call 'society' we judge people all the time when we aren't there. We even have people called 'judges' that 'rule' when someone fvcks up.
but to you cops never fvck up. they are to be worshiped and coddled like fragile little souls.
imagine if the burden of proof was on a 15 year old girl that was raped by her teacher. hey man, teachers have hard jobs, you weren't there in that 'situ', why you judging that teacher bro? maybe she was asking for it huh?
lol, there would be cameras in every classroom in a week if there was an epidemic of 15 years old being raped by teachers.
but to armchair tough guys like yourself, that mainline fear through Faux news, cops should be put on a level above others.
they are just people, wearing blue, and their actions should be judged as such.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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RMUIR....
rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Sep 5, 2015 - 04:06pm PT
...Uncle Ben said...
Hmmm. According to all historical accounts of that term, that is a racist profile.
And that National Journal OPED you posted, not one date/location as a verifying ref
Niiiiiiiiiice.
True; however, in a thing we call 'society' we judge people all the time when we aren't there.
Having confessed that you have NEVER been in any situ that could ever come close to allowing you to understand what any cop goes through on a daily basis (that goes for most of you here on ST btw) you base your opinions on what the shet bias media you allow into your brain and then make a judgement based solely on that.
So typical of many politards on BOTH sides of aisle. BOTH sides of the aisle.
but to armchair tough guys like yourself
Armchair???
Three combat tours flying CSAR OPS (80' & 90's) in foreign cities/nations and operations you have never heard of in your life with every day shetfest situ's (of which I suffer from "Incurable Acute Hypervigilance PTSD, Combat Related (100%)") that Cops deal with daily, call that armchair?
Thanks for verifying your ignorance. Oh, I voted for Obama twice and was a registered DEM for over 15 years up till this past Spring.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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I am a believer that ALL Policians suck...
And yet you state you will vote for a career politician.... Biden.
Oh MAN!
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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I suffer from "Acute Hypervigilance PTSD, Combat Related"
I couldn't have guessed.
Ya know, a disproportionate number of mentally ill and homeless people are killed by cops.
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/10/half_of_people_shot_by_police_are_mentally_ill_investigation_finds/
The last paragraph points out that a fair number of these homeless mentally ill people are vets.
if a buddy with PTSD was having a bad day, didn't 'comply' to the satisfaction of the cop who's never seen combat, outside of walmart on back Friday, and gets killed, this wouldn't bother you?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^LOcker....
locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 5, 2015 - 04:10pm PT
OK...
I have to give you this one...
+1 for The Chief...
"Thanks for verifying that you are in fact a total politard buffoon."...
You pick who you believe would be best for us here...
I want Biden...
Of everyone out there...
I think he could get some sh1t done...
if a buddy with PTSD was having a bad day, didn't 'comply' to the satisfaction of the cop who's never seen combat, outside of walmart on back Friday, and gets killed, this wouldn't bother you?
Well Compton...
Read my TR and it just may answer your questions how I deal with you, the other totally naive people here and what I have been directed to do by my local and VA T's and P's for most likely what will be the rest of my life.
From what I understand from my local T & P, this type direction is a common protocol for Career LEO's as well... we do all we can to stay away from general ignorant society as a whole.
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/High-Eastside-Obscure-Goldens-and-Such-Going-High-Deep-and-Stripping-for-Peace-Serenity/t12831n.html
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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AH! Good one LOcker....
So now that doesn't indicate nor in any way imply that if Biden runs you will vote for him.
Only that he will do so "I think he could get some sh1t done..."from some yacht off the coast of the Bahama's after he and Obama leave office.
Got it.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Thanks LOcker for letting us know that you hate politicians but will in fact be voting for one next year.... biden
I suspect that you will be back, on this thread with a better, "iron
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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Carson is down on Obamacare because it slices his chunk of the profits even thinner...He forgets that the taxpayers picked up the tab on his education at the University of Michigan...He isn't going anywhere in the presidential race because the republican voters hate having an uppity negro running the country...
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LOcker?? WTF..... Wat happened to.. I'm done with this thread..
Allow me to reiterate your prvivous post about how you'd "want.....biden"
locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 5, 2015 - 04:10pm PT
OK...
I have to give you this one...
+1 for The Chief...
"Thanks for verifying that you are in fact a total politard buffoon."...
You pick who you believe would be best for us here...
I want Biden...
Of everyone out there...
I think he could get some sh1t done...
He forgets that the taxpayers picked up the tab on his education at the University of Michigan...
Odd.. he just publicly told a crowd of over 10k in Las Vegas that he rose from his shetfest poverty stricken situ in So Detroit because he took full advantage of every resource and program available to poor blacks from the inner city. ie his education. Including all his med training at UofM.
He utilized his education to reiterate how anyone, regardless of race or ethnicity, can come out of the grips of hell if they chose to and make a better life for themselves.
Oh, most of the shet he did his last 35 or so years as a neurosurgeon at JHU was strictly all under research programs. Most were for those that could not ever afford the quality medical service he rendered. He did nothing nor was ever paid as a private practitioner would be. Thus your Obamacare opinion is moot RJ.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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I hope you idiots are happy. REALLY. You know who you are.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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The Chief...What's odd about that...? A good friend graduated from Wolverine U and practiced medicine at Northern Inyo ...He commented that the taxpayer doesn't get a very good deal when they help subsidize university medical research and then have to pay up the wazooo for medical care...that from a conservative voting MD...
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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RJ....
Hmmm.
So are you now going to state that Dr. Ben Carson's recorded accomplishments in the field of Pediatric Neurosurgery, all the accolades and awards he has received, even from the NAACP and Obama etc, are a total waste of the tax payers money?
I do not think that his patients, many of which had no choice but to undergo the procedures that Dr. Carson completed in order to survive their conditions, would be of that opinion, RJ.
Hey ZBrown... I voted for Gore. Worst mistake of my life next to voting for Obama, TWICE! Talk about being a complete stupidass...
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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going to answer my question?
Do vets lives matter?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Do vets lives matter?
They sure do Compton.
That is why more modern COMBAT Vets are COPS in this nation than ever before!
EDIT:
Below is recent photo of what just occurred to one of my fellow Chief Shipmates who after retiring with 22 years in 05 joined the Charlotte PD.
Last week when responding to a domestic, the primary suspect (who was accused of beating the shet out of his wife) unchained his fighting pit on him then ran. Unfortunately he had to terminate the pit and the suspect was apprehended two blocks later by his partner (a Black Officer btw) after a foot pursuit. Unfortunately for my Shipmate, he has some possible terminal nerve damage that may end his career as CPD and his ability to walk without a pronounced major limp.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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The Chief...I didn't say anything about it being a total waste of money...I was quoting my Dr. friend who said it wasn't a good deal for the taxpayer...You tying flies while you're posting or what the phuck...? Try and focus...! rj
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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He utilized his education to reiterate how anyone, regardless of race or ethnicity, can come out of the grips of hell if they chose to and make a better life for themselves.
AND they have programs that they can take advantage of, as he did....
Oh, most of the shet he did his last 35 or so years as a neurosurgeon at JHU was strictly all under research programs. Most were for those that could not ever afford the quality medical service he rendered. He did nothing nor was ever paid as a private practitioner would be. Thus your Obamacare opinion is moot RJ.
Research programs? You know what that means? GOVERNMENT DOLE. And if you think he didn't get paid handsomely, you are delusional.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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sure, but many homeless and mentally ill are vets too.
So I ask again: if you saw a video of a green cop using clearly excessive force on a vet, would you side with the cop on principal?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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That is why more modern COMBAT Vets are COPS in this nation than ever before!
No, it is because Vets get special preferential treatment in the application process, just as they do for a number of jobs.
But of course, you are against any sort of special preference, right?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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RJ... my last was in response to your original post and not the ensuing one of your MMLH buddies edu background post:
rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
Sep 5, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
Carson is down on Obamacare because it slices his chunk of the profits even thinner...He forgets that the taxpayers picked up the tab on his education at the University of Michigan...He isn't going anywhere in the presidential race because the republican voters hate having an uppity negro running the country...
KEN M...
Thank you for totally disproving RJ's ORIGINAL point above regarding education and Obamacare (which had absolutely nothing to with his salary before or after Obamacare).
"AND they have programs that they can take advantage of, as he did...."
"Research programs? You know what that means? GOVERNMENT DOLE. And if you think he didn't get paid handsomely, you are delusional."
Delusional? Did I ever state that he didn't? Not!!! Nor does it have anything to do with the point.
Another totally dumbass has absolutely nothing to do with anything post by... KEN M.
So I ask again: if you saw a video of a green cop using clearly excessive force on a vet, would you side with the cop on principal?
Before you do waste your time posting one up Compton, answer this..... How does a cop identify anyone as being a Vet prior to or after initiating any contact with or action towards? In any of your interactions with a LEO, have you ever been asked for you Lic, Reg, Proof of Ins and your VET/VA ID?
EDIT:
No, it is because Vets get special preferential treatment in the application process, just as they do for a number of jobs.
And why is that Compton in this particular field of endeavor. Ya think maybe cus they got just a tad bit of real life heavy duty training and experience doing so. Especially when raiding a known heavily armed Crack, Meth or any other type major drug dealers residence/building of operation or initiating action on a hostage rescue operation etc ...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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Ken M...Thanks for proving that The chief was wrong as usual...rj
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Hey ZBrown... I voted for Gore. Worst mistake of my life next to voting for Obama, TWICE! Talk about being a complete stupidass...
Since Gore did not become President it's REALLY difficult to evaluate how he did.
Re: Obama. Come back in 25 years and compare the evaluations of Clinton, the Bushes, Obama and Trump (or was that Truman).
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Soooooo..... If you're really good at fixing kid's brains would that make you a good president?
If you're really good at flying helicopters, can you change other people's political opinions.
Locker edit: how bout sniffing glue? Now that he's gone let's talk smack about him. Bulgemelon for veeep, or maybe dees nuts if they're properly vetted.
Edit locker edit: I'd vote for Biden.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
Sep 5, 2015 - 09:38pm PT
Soooooo..... If you're really good at fixing kid's brains would that make you a good president?
It worked for Obama..... and he didn't do jackshet prior to becoming the POTUS.
Ken M...Thanks for proving that The chief was wrong as usual...rj
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.... Not.
Do I have repost the entire shetfest posts you both made so that you both can work on that inept reading comprehension of yours. Do I ... yes.
RJ:
rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
Sep 5, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
Carson is down on Obamacare because it slices his chunk of the profits even thinner...He forgets that the taxpayers picked up the tab on his education at the University of Michigan...He isn't going anywhere in the presidential race because the republican voters hate having an uppity negro running the country...
KEN M (with my return post to RJ's)
Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 5, 2015 - 05:31pm PT
The Chief:
(Referring to RJ's post "He forgets that the taxpayers picked up the tab on his education at the University of Michigan")
He utilized his education to reiterate how anyone, regardless of race or ethnicity, can come out of the grips of hell if they chose to and make a better life for themselves.
AND they have programs that they can take advantage of, as he did....
The Chief:
(Referring to RJ's post "Carson is down on Obamacare because it slices his chunk of the profits even thinner..")
Oh, most of the shet he did his last 35 or so years as a neurosurgeon at JHU was strictly all under research programs. Most were for those that could not ever afford the quality medical service he rendered. He did nothing nor was ever paid as a private practitioner would be. Thus your Obamacare opinion is moot RJ.
Research programs? You know what that means? GOVERNMENT DOLE. And if you think he didn't get paid handsomely, you are delusional.
Tisk Tisk RJ!
Since Gore did not become President it's REALLY difficult to evaluate how he did.
Not difficult at all. 100+ million in his bank account after swindling millions with bullshet. Most assuredly what he would have done after 9/11, seeing his track record since 2000, he probably would have sent Osama an invitation to the WH and formally tried to make a appeasement with him after 9/11. Also officially noting that the American public is not to make reference to Muslims for the 9/11 attack. That we do not want to "offend" anyone and that we need to look at seriously taking on responsibility for the 9/11 incident.
Former Vice President Al Gore was in Saudi Arabia on Sunday to make a speech. While he was there, you would have thought he might have done something useful. Perhaps he could have gone out on a limb and condemned Saudi financial support for terrorism. Maybe he could have spoken out for women's rights in Arab countries. Well .. he did nothing of the sort.
He accused the U.S. government of "terrible abuses" against Arabs after 9/11. He complained that they had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and kept in "unforgivable" conditions. Really. I'm not making this up. Al Gore goes to what some believe to be home base for anti-Western Muslim culture and gives them aid and comfort by slamming his own country!
It's just fine for Al Gore to go to Saudi Arabia, the home of the virulently anti-American and hyper-violent Wahabbi Islamic sect, and slam his own country. But, whatever he does, don't say anything that could offend a Muslim. February 12, 2006
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Jim Clipper
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So if Obama had no political experience and was a bad president, and Carson has no political experience....
Sorry, I don't know if this is thread for logic.
Chief I'm glad you're here and have your opinions. Still the ad hominem stuff seems like a waste. As for Locker, he seems like good peeps, but you gotta know, he works with glue. shhhhhh!
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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So if Obama had no political experience and was a bad president, and Carson has no political experience....
Where did I ever give any reference that Obama is/was a bad president? Where?
I just stated that I made a mistake in voting for him, twice.
Still the ad hominem stuff ...
Speaking of which, see your first quote on this post.
EDIT:
And this one Clipper...
Soooooo..... If you're really good at fixing kid's brains would that make you a good president?
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Chief that first post wasn't very serious. I'm not very serious about any of this.
Edit:seriously
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Chief that first post wasn't very serious. I'm not very serious about any of this.
Roger that. I will then totally disregard your second post in it's entirety including the the logic.... ad hominem stuff. Thanks for your serious honesty ...Clipper.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Chuffles is a dumbass. seriously! a real dumb fukkin 'murican.
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review
By FOX BUTTERFIELD, Special to The New York Times
Published: February 6, 1990
BOSTON, Feb. 5— The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.
The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review
By FOX BUTTERFIELD, Special to The New York Times
Published: February 6, 1990
BOSTON, Feb. 5— The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.
The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.
So tell us, how did his being elected to "head" some law school review benefit humanity at the time?
Just one example.... Just one.
Let's compare Obama's Law Review (being the best bullshetter basically, ie lawyer) to Carson's 40 years of split second critical thinking ability in order to perform the most delicate procedures in order to save a fellow human's life and give them one with a far better quality than they had prior to doing the very exceptionally rare and delicate procedure.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Chief, for what it's worth, I wonder a little when someone mentions explosives at someone's "6", epecially a former helicopter pilot. If it matters, my uncle was a copilot in an A6, sometimes over north Viet nam. Fishing by yourself in far away places definitely has its appeal (to my uncle too). Also, this forum can be a nice place to hang and read stories. Sti, it never seems to change peoples political opinions. I wish you the best.
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Todd Eastman
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Bellingham, WA
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Chief, just because you have learned to search on the internet, don't think that substitutes for actual thought...
... your canned talking point raving seems to dislodge whatever actual fresh thinking you might actually contribute to this discussion...
... and I have no doubt that what you want to say is far better than the talking points and news searches that you are defaulting to...
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Thoughtful post Clipper.
Not here to change anyone's political opinions. Just questioning the "logic and seriousness" of them.
BTW: I wasn't a driver. I was an HH1 and UH-IN Crew Chief/Gunner/SAR TECH. 3245 hours worth. 678 of which are Combat Flt Hours. Did have to drive some, over 230 hours as part of our duties during a Functional Check Flight Crewman.
Chief, just because you have learned to search on the internet, don't think that substitutes for actual thought...
... your canned talking point raving seems to dislodge whatever actual fresh thinking you might actually contribute to this discussion...
... and I have no doubt that what you want to say is far better than the talking points and searched news searches that you are defaulting to...
Of course they don't. They do not flow nor align with those that yourself and most here roll with.
Imagine that. Someone that doesn't parrot the same shet you all subscribe to. Badman.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Chief, I would like to add that Carson's medical experience has absolutely zero relevance in the realm of public policy, politics, and damn near anything outside of the OR.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Chief, I would like to add that Carson's medical experience has absolutely zero relevance in the realm of public policy, politics, and damn near anything outside of the OR
NO it doesn't.
What he did to get to that point and maintain it, does.
He is one of the supposed 99.9% of the minorities (Black Young Men) that many here, including yourself Eastman, state haven't a chance in hell in making it in this white man's oppressive capitalistic society, that did so. And did so in a manner of which many White, Black, Green etc never have done so and achieved what he has, in the entire history of medicine and science.
Now that is what qualifies him to be the POTUS.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Chief, I have never said any thing about 99% of anybody not making it, anywhere...
... you should consider not making assumptions and broad generalizations...
... it makes you appear like an idiot.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Chief, I have never said any thing about 99% of anybody not making it, anywhere...
... you should consider not making assumptions and broad generalizations...
... it makes you appear like an idiot.
Please do post Eastman where my last post indicated such a thing. Please.
Now what was that about.... making assumptions and broad generalizations, Eastman.
You assumed that because of his long tenure and experience in the OR, I consider him fit to be the POTUS.
I retorted with agreement to that then included this specific reason for my considering Dr. Carson fit to be the leader of the Free World...
He is one of the supposed 99.9% of the minorities (Black Young Men) that many here, including yourself Eastman, state haven't a chance in hell in making it in this white man's oppressive capitalistic society, that did so. And did so in a manner of which many White, Black, Green etc never have done so and achieved what he has, in the entire history of medicine and science.
Now that is what qualifies him to be the POTUS.
Nothing in there states anything about YOU Eastman and not making it. Nothing.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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He is one of the supposed 99.9% of the minorities (Black Young Men) that many here, including yourself Eastman, state haven't a chance in hell in making it in this white man's oppressive capitalistic society, that did so.
I suppose short term memory is a sign of loosing your noodles, eh?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Not at all. I was simply clarifying who Dr. Ben Carson is and his background using your past post history in other threads regarding today's oppressed Young Black Men.
Nothing more. Nothing about Dr. Carson "not making it"
Reading into and twisting posts around again Eastman... appears so, noodles.
EDIT:
Are you now going to state that you EASTMAN never made any mention or agreed with any comment that young black men in today's society are "oppressed" and have a difficult time "making it" in the White Capitalistic dominated society we live in?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Chief, are you an angry man?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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No at all.
Just tired of the insane dumbass rhetoric you and others keep posting up regarding opinions that differ than yours.
And in most cases, ie you included, resort to belittling and attempting to shame anyone that does so in order to prove your position as the only viable one on the books that makes perfect sense, logic and all the other happy horseshet that goes with all the politard crap you partake in here.
Shall I post them "noodles" up, Eastman?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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I hope your blood pressure is OK...
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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BP106/60 HR46.... thanks.
Interesting observation Eastman, not one actual climbing photo or TR from you. Not a single one. Just insistent partaking mostly in politard threads.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nope, never, I wouldn't even consider it...
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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So why shouldn't or why wouldn't Dr. Ben Carson be a good POTUS, Eastman?
Because he is a.... Republican with pretty much the same identical across the board moral values that MLKjr and Abraham Lincoln had?
You of course do know that both MLKjr and Abraham Lincoln were staunch believer's and God Fearing men that prayed daily, sometimes hourly to the same God so many here disdain so much.
Do you hold that fact against Dr. Ben Carson, Eastman?
EDIT: Supposedly Barrack Obama is a God Fearing Man as well and he too prays regularly.
Even when shet hits the fan he seeks guidance from a Power Greater than himself....
Even when giving Honor to those that served above and beyond the call of duty...
I don't expect a decent answer from you Eastman, nor from any of your comrades.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Dr. Carson has spent his career at JHU working in a field that honors his skill set in the OR and he has successfully navigated the corridors of power within the academic/research realm of his profession. That in no way, regardless of what issues he may bring up, qualifies him for public office at any level, much less the presidency.
In Dr. Carson's world the pace is fast with results returned quickly with little negotiation. Politics is about compromise and slow-steady incremental gains and policy developments.
Without the doctor actually having proven himself in the political realm, he is no more qualified to be President than Harry Reid is qualified to do surgery.
Politics is complicated and requires good skills at the higher levels.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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WTF does praying have to do with squat?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Politics is complicated and requires god skills at the higher levels.
And what "experiential" political and mediating skillsets did Obama have prior to becoming the POTUS other than the six or so years as an IL State Senator and a little over 3 years in the US Senate all of which he spent most of his tenure in both practicing his background in law etc.?
WTF does praying have to do with squat?
Nothing if of course you agree it is a viable manner to seek guidance from outside oneself when in a position of authority & leadership such as MLKjr and A. Lincoln (and many others including FDR & JFK etc.) were in.
EDIT: Just throwing that out onto the table as I know how "Prayer" irks the living shet out of Craig Fry, BOBda and the rest of the hardcores here that preach how stupid Repubs and their religious fantasies and practices are.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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And in most cases, ie you included, resort to belittling and attempting to shame anyone that does so in order to prove your position as the only viable one on the books that makes perfect sense, logic and all the other happy horseshet that goes with all the politard crap you partake in here.
How does a cop identify anyone as being a Vet prior to or after initiating any contact with or action towards? In any of your interactions with a LEO, have you ever been asked for you Lic, Reg, Proof of Ins and your VET/VA ID?
This 'unidentifiable' Vet sure deserved it huh Chief?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Impressed with your ability to live in a fantasy world where cops and vets are always good guys and the bad guys always deserve to be beat up.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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The Chief is a parasite that just jumps from one host to another.
Todd, don't worry he will jump on to another host soon.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Thanks for putting words in my post, Compton. That is NOT what my point was in my retort and you know it.
That particular incident where an active duty soldier gets his ass kicked you show in the vid happened in 2007. Fked up, oh yeah. Got my ass kicked and hauled off three times by local SD and VA BCH PD for being disrespectful towards them. Which I assure you this Sgt was when he initiated the contact. He even admits to being so when he went back and questioned the TSA Sup etc regarding the incident with the verbiage /tone he used due to obviously being pissed for missing his flight. Is it excusable what resulted in the actions of the LV MET PD.. absolutely NOT! But that was not the manner nor the proper protocol in which to have handled such a situation for any ACTIVE NATL GUARD or ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE MEMBER. Being a senior individual in the Guard, he knew that and he knows he should have never addressed the fked up TSA situ in that manner.
As a Div & Dept Leading Chief, I have had to escort many a young and older Sailor to local court for doing just this. Each time, we got the charges dropped by having the Sailor admit to the judge he fked up and his actions at the time were inappropriate. I also know many an Active Duty Shipmate that got their asses kicked by the local CONUS PD's and thrown in the slammer. Many occurred during Storm upon return from deployment. Most of the times charges were dropped. But most if not all were initiated by their attitude and behavior towards them PD's.
Golden rule we are ALL directed to follow when any contact is ever made with local PD's from the first days in Boot Camp...
When approached by any local PD for any issue, regardless if it's your doing or not, ALWAYS be courteous and respectful. NEVER behave in any manner that may bring discredit to the uniform nor the Navy, Army, USAF or Marine Corps. Never give the local LEO's any motive to beat your ass. Because if you do, you will most certainly get your ass kicked and thrown in jail. And then you will face the consequences of your ill behavior/actions when you return to the command.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Now, back to my post regarding "Homeless Vets" and the manner in which the PD is to identify anyone as such. Any comment on that?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Told you Todd. :-)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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On with the bitch-slapping...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Ben Carson will be a great Republican President. Another in a long line of Republican "successes". If he is elected our military will be marched into a couple of ideological wars and the economy will tank.
He will proclaim "Mission accomplished" and Fox News will tell us to wait 25 years before judging Mr. Carson
Rinse and repeat
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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This is kinda like an interactive comics page, great fun!
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Ben Carson will be a great Republican President. Another in a long line of Republican "successes". If he is elected our military will be marched into a couple of ideological wars and the economy will tank.
You mean like the "ideological war" that this Republican President sent hundreds of thousands of troops into and ended up being the most lethal "War" in our nations history.... that was one very dumb move on his part.
Of course the "ideological war" that these two DEM POTUS's got us into were both excusable....
And this one....
OH... and this one....
Let's add up all the KIA'd from the three ideological wars that the above three POTUS's got us into compared to the last two "Wars".
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Rinse and repeat
you left out lather.
lather, rinse, repeat.
you need to lube them and somewhat turn them on before you fu.ck them in the ass
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
Sep 6, 2015 - 09:36am PT
you need to lube them and somewhat turn them on before you fu.ck them in the ass
Interesting. Did you learn all that in them sushi fests of yours, Nature. May be you practiced the above technique on them live fish before you sliced em up then served them to your... guests.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Not difficult at all. 100+ million in his bank account after swindling millions with bullshet. Most assuredly what he would have done after 9/11, seeing his track record since 2000, he probably would have sent Osama an invitation to the WH and formally tried to make a appeasement with him after 9/11. Also officially noting that the American public is not to make reference to Muslims for the 9/11 attack. That we do not want to "offend" anyone and that we need to look at seriously taking on responsibility for the 9/11 incident.
Worthless speculation. Someone could also speculate that he would have hired Trump to run his foreign policy and no child would have been left behind.
Since you're so good at it, why not post up 10 world events that are bound to occur in the next year, one for each continent. Oh, there's only seven? How about three events on Mars?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Speculation? Are you now on that roll ZBROWN.
You must of course be including this obvious "speculation" into that equation as well...
Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 6, 2015 - 08:59am PT
Ben Carson will be a great Republican President. Another in a long line of Republican "successes". If he is elected our military will be marched into a couple of ideological wars and the economy will tank.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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LOcker!!!!! WTF!!
I thought you were done with this thread!!!
locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 5, 2015 - 04:51pm PT
Done with this thread...
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH MAN!
You're addicted. Seriously.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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if that unarmed mother had complied and was polite, then her wouldn't have had to be shot in the face! haven't you learned anything Bob?
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Norton
Social climber
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, wasn't Obama and His wife
Disbarred at one time.
you are wrong,
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp
What made him qualified?
oh, the same constitutional qualification that makes you eligible to be President
like being over 35 and a natural born US citizen
of course, Harvard law and US Senator also helped to "qualify" "Obama" in the voter eyes
twice in fact, by landslide electoral votes
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 5, 2015 - 04:51pm PT
Done with this thread...
Now I'm REALLY LMAO... you are toooooooooooooooooooo funnneeeeeeeeeee.... LOcker!
You just can't stay away. Can't. You just gotta love how YOU turned out.
BLAH BLAH BLAH...... and more BLAH!
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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I'm happy, Rick, that you're happy.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Cosmic, you aren't far off. You missed your President by only a few years.
It was Pres. Bill Clinton who lost his law license after he was caught lying under oath.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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It also depends on whose balls you cup...
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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Rick is right.
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overwatch
climber
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Why take a chance? Cup 'em all.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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LOcker is a Catlin Jenner enthusiast. Thus NO balls to cup.
That's why he's with that... biden dude.
Blah roll'n Blah and more Blahing from LOcker.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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LOcker:
43,867 COMPLETELY useless posts here on ST.
WTF LOcker.
You obviously DO NOT have a life. NONE>ZERO>LIFE!
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Chief, I will suggest that Locker's posts are generally considered funny if a bit sicko by a majority of Suportopians.
Your posts fall into another category...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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When are you back in town Locker? Be fun to grab coffee with you!
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Chief, I will suggest that Locker's posts are generally considered funny if a bit sicko by a majority of Suportopians.
Talk about Ballcupping.... holy sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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the misguided hatred of law enforcement in general has led to open season on police officers
Is there hatred of law enforcement?
If there is, is it misguided?
Similarly if there is, is it general or specific?
If any of these is true, is there any evidence that it has led to open season?
Just what does open season include?
If open season implies a license to kill cops, then why aren't there more dead ones?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Gunman walks up to Las Vegas cops, starts shooting into car. Sure hope it isn't that 7-11 shooter from Texas.
Police in Las Vegas had an unidentified man in custody on Sunday after he allegedly walked up to a pair of officers sitting at a stop light early Sunday afternoon and began firing into their marked SUV.
The alleged shooter, armed with a semi-automatic handgun, fired "multiple rounds" into the vehicle and struck one officer in the hand, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Sgt. John Sheahan said.
The injured officer's partner chased the suspect and caught him in the parking lot of a nearby 7-11 convenience store, Sheahan said. The officers didn't fire any shots, but the assailant's gun was recovered.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Police in Las Vegas had an unidentified man in custody on Sunday after he allegedly walked up to a pair of officers sitting at a stop light early Sunday afternoon and began firing into their marked SUV.
The alleged shooter, armed with a semi-automatic handgun, fired "multiple rounds" into the vehicle and struck one officer in the hand, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Sgt. John Sheahan said.
"These officers are going out there and being attacked while they are sitting in a police car, and we didn't fire a single shot back at him," he told CNN affiliate KSNV.
McMahill said his department has changed the way it deploys officers, sending out two-officer units "because of the narrative of violence against police across the country."
"We are certainly working on pins and needles," he told KSNV. "(That is) part of the reason we doubled them up. So we have two officers available immediately whenever an incident occurs."
MEXICO CITY — An international committee of experts reviewing the case of 43 missing college students whose disappearance last fall traumatized Mexico said Sunday that there was no evidence to support the government’s conclusion that the students were executed by a drug gang that then burned the bodies to ashes in a garbage dump.
Not only did physical evidence contradict the government’s version of what happened to the students, but the review showed that federal police and soldiers knew that the students were being attacked by the municipal police and failed to intervene.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sorry I missed you then. We'd crossed somewhere out west because we had headed to Lover's Leap at the same time.
Next time one of us is in the same state, let's get it done. It's always fun and always hilarious! Lots of new material to crack up about. :)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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5-7-2014
Were any of these cop killers abused Catholic childen?
GENEVA -- The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 with lesser penalties, providing the first ever breakdown of how it handled the more than 3,400 cases of abuse reported to the Holy See since 2004.
What is the incidence of homosexual rape in the U.S. Navy (excluding of course pillow fights)?
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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I want to know how many of those priests were made into castrados.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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What is the incidence of homosexual rape in the U.S. Navy (excluding of course pillow fights)?
Well, more than 50% of reported rapes are male on male. The current rate is 38 per day.
http://www.gq.com/long-form/male-military-rape
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Maybe the most telling thing bout this thread is the us vs them attitude of both parties. I think 'merica is a bit exceptional in that way. They're all just people right? Both sides have their share of sociopaths.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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But he's a rich sociopath so I want to be like him.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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But seriously, it seems that police are viewed differently in other countries. It isn't the only factor I'm sure, but if you pull someone over and have to worry about getting shot in the the face, it kind of changes your interactions with people. Likewise, if you have to worry about being pulled over and... Undeniably, blacks have been singled out by some police officers and police forces (in this century too).
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Go to Spain, call the Cops (in most cases the Guardia will respond) and this is the typical individuals that you will encounter when they respond. Response time is usually in single digit minutes.
And the Guardia, they do not like ... Americano's. And they do have a long historical reputation for shooting first and asking questions later. Especially at anyone that attempts to enter Spain illegally.
You resist or show any disrespect towards them in any fashion, you will get your ass thoroughly beat and maybe shot. Dead.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Chief,
Nice! Very Francolike. What would they do if I was driving while blasque?
WWTGD?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Not to throw water on the fire...
but the one time I got pulled over in Spain (for speeding) they waved me to the side, said I was speeding and wrote me a ticket which I paid on the spot-100 Euro (yeah I got a receipt:-).
Only saw each officer ( yes Guardia) with a sidearm which remained in the holster, no face masks but there were some smiles.
Sucked I had to pay for only doing 15km over the speed limit, but that wasn't their fault.
okay carry on with the happy idiocy...
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RyanD
climber
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I hate to add to this idiots thread but I have A story for all the idiots with blind faith in the powers that be that is relevant.
So I met this lady in the grocery store last night, she was about 55-60, maybe 5'2" and 100lbs if that. Anyways we were both grabbing some bulk stuff and a few of the containers were empty. I said to her "this place is running out of food!" And smiled. She smiled back but had a really hurt look in her eye. She said "careful, there could be no food at all here soon. Something tragic is going to happen." I figured she was probably a nut, but I had time to kill so I decided to engage her (yes I talk to random humans). "You seem like a nice lady, why would you think something negative like that and say it to a stranger?" I asked.
She proceeds to unload on me and tell me how she is finally at the grocery store after 24 hrs of hell, the afternoon previous she was pulled over by a plainclothes PIG in an unmarked car for speeding on her way home from yoga. She asked the PIG for ID as he was wearing shades and no uniform. He refused and told her he did not need to show her anything. She said she felt very intimidated so picked up her phone and told him that she was going to record the rest of their interaction. He reached in the car and tried to grab her phone out of her hand knocking it on the floor, she reacts by pushing his arm away.
The PIGS reply?
"You are under arrest for assaulting a police ossifer"
Boom! 6'3" PIG is now manhandling tiny cute middle aged woman, pulls her outta the car, face in ground, knee in back, armlock, cuffed, picked back up, slammed on hood, frisked, thrown in back of cop car and left cuffed.
She tells me that she is absolutely bawling at this point, scared for her life. It's only the third time she has ever been pulled over in her life and first time in 20 odd years.
The cop is on the radio asking dispatch what the code is for assaulting an officer and requesting backup since he has just been assaulted.
One of the lady's friends is driving by and pulls over when she sees her friends car, the PIG storms up to the friends car and says everything is fine with your friend, you have to leave now!
He returns to the car where the lady is bawling and asking if she can please leave, he tells her the only way she is going to be able to leave is if she signs off on a notice to appear for charges of assaulting a PIG and resisting arrest. Or she can go to jail now and have her car impounded. She tells him she needs to go to the hospital since he just beat the fuk outta her. He tells her to sign off on the charges then + the speeding ticket.
She does so she can escape. Goes to the hospital for the rest of the day. I figured she was probably just being dramatic. But, She proceeds to lift her pants and show me some leg and both her knees are just mangled, like hamburger.
I told her that I now understand why her outlook wasn't so positive and wished her the best of luck. She told me that she felt better after talking to me, some random dude, because she had left the hospital with so much hate directed at cops and men that she was seeing red. Talking to a stranger with positive connotations had given her a bit of hope, I just thought it was sad that the avg person might have a better chance of a positive interaction with a total stranger, that looks like a burnt out dirtbag like me as opposed to a public servant in a small town like Squamish.
I mean, if you woulda seen this lady you woulda laughed at the thought of anyone kicking her ass. She was a tiny, sweet, hippy looking lady. Like Ben Stillers mom in the movie "meet the fockers" lmao this PIG obviously had the smallest dick in the world flexing on this person, proving to her his authority. I hope she goes and talks to the press & a lawyer before this dude shoots a senior citizen for jaywalking.
I'll stick to my usual strategy with police of pretending they have an illness I could catch if I get too close.
Point is, nobody needs to be treated like this lady was. She encountered a PIG, not a policeman- who had zero respect for her rights as a human.
Anyways I'm sure Some brainless fuk head will say she screwed up somehow, but I put myself in her situation and then the cops situation and it really makes good sense to me that sh#t like this should never happen.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
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I'm sure Some brainless fuk head will say she screwed up somehow
well, ya know, here in a Merica, you have to either ball cup a cop or suffer the consequences.
That woman is someone's mother and daughter, but according to Jody and Chief that uncomplying impolite b!tch deserved it!
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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Flapper. So wrong, yet so right on the head.
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Prod
Trad climber
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I thought dick heads who post non climbing related, caustic, inflammatory threads were supposed to be kicked off the forum. Yet Jody is still here spewing.
Signed a happy idiot.
Prod.
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RyanD
climber
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New world order 2 I can't fukking wait to find out who u are someday, I'm sure I'll be so disappointed when I realize I hang out with u all the time. Seriously tho all rice milk is gross.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 10, 2015 - 10:15pm PT
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I offer to hold the money on any bet that Bob cops to his error with anything
approaching the rapidity with which Hillary did regarding her vote
authorizing the Iraq war.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 15, 2015 - 11:45pm PT
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Fewer police killed during Obama's administration than any two-term president in our lifetime
This isn't an opinion piece. This is strictly factual.
Wisconsin Gov. and White House-wannabe Scott Walker is lying when he says President Obama is responsible for a "disturbing trend of police officers being murdered on the job."
His fellow Republican and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz doubled down and told the same lie.
Beyond the reality that President Obama and his administration work closely with police officers and police departments every single day for his own security, the fact is that fewer police officers have been killed during the six-plus years of his presidency than during the first six years of any modern presidency.
The only trend that exists is a downward one. Police officers are safer during the Obama administration than they were during the Bush, Clinton, or Reagan administrations and every single fact and figure proves this.
Not only that, but according to the National Law Enforcement Memorial Fund, in the six years President Obama has been in office, 807 officers have lost their lives- fewer officers than both Reagan or Bush. By the six-year mark in President “Tough On Crime” Reagan that Republicans idolize so much, 1,129 police officers were killed in the line of duty. President Bush’s numbers weren’t much better, by the six-year mark in his presidency 1,034 law enforcement officers had their lives cut short.
Keep reading below for more cold, hard facts.
If you look only at fatal shootings of police officers up to September of the seventh year during each of those administrations, the numbers are just as clear.
576 police officers were shot and killed up to this date in the Reagan administration.
528 during the Clinton administration.
405 during the Bush administration.
314 during the Obama administration.
In other words, 46 percent fewer police officers have been shot and killed in the first six-plus years of Barack Obama's presidency than were killed during Ronald Reagan's presidency in the same time frame.
There is no war on police. This entire line is a complete fabrication of the conservative imagination, designed to pit people and parties against one another.
We've come to expect conservatives to lie come election time, but this lie is particularly despicable, because it's talking about true life-or-death issues. Not only that, but this lie is now being spread by police and prosecutors and is even being taught to new recruits in police academies.
Perception is reality, but in this case, the conservative perception is a flat-out lie.
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Degaine
climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 01:39am PT
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Jody wrote:
Let's see, thousands of police-citizen interactions each day and you numbnutz come up with a miniscule amount of incidents where a cop may or may not have acted professionally. Rarely is the cops side of the story presented before idiots like you all hang the cop. There are a few bad cops somewhere but that is overshadowed immensely by the 99.99999999999% of the cops whop are honest, hardworking people.
An estimated 99.22%-99.51% of all hospital medical procedures did not end in death due to medical error. In other words, only 0.49%-0.78% of medical procedures resulted in death due to a medical mistakes. That amounts to 250,00 - 400,00 deaths per year due to medical errors (out of 51.8 million hospital procedures).
Given the way you analyze statistics, this is no big deal, right? We're just a bunch of idiots who should do absolutely nothing and just stfu, is that what you're writing?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Sep 16, 2015 - 02:16am PT
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Fact- all lives matter.
Cops, blacks, whites, and toothless rednecks.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Sep 16, 2015 - 07:55am PT
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Reason is such a beautiful thing.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 08:00am PT
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Similarly, the negative attitude of cops towards ALL citizens must stop.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 08:04am PT
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My complaint was that the negative attitude toward ALL police officers needs to stop
Read what you wrote for a change, then try reading what I wrote.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Sep 16, 2015 - 08:09am PT
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Excellent post, Ken.
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Sep 16, 2015 - 08:18am PT
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I am also deleting this thread soon because it has become one boring cesspool of people not getting THE point and just repeating "talking points".
Says the source of "talking points" which started this "cesspool"…
Apparently, your's is the only point, and all other's don't matter!
Nuke away!
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