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jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:42am PT
How may people have LEO's shot that did not deserve it? TO MANY!! NBD..
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:48am PT
Thanks Burchy!! Im like 1000 years old now.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:50am PT
Is that dog years..?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:52am PT
Not the point Jeff and precisely why I posted it. It's the hypocrisy and political bs agenda that prevails in this nation. They are ALL just a equal in being fked up. Not one is worse than the other as so many political groups these days are claiming that they are in order to perpetuate their agendas.

The "guns" issue only gets brought up when an event occurs that a legally acquired and registered weapon is utilized. But never when this type incident happens, a totally illegally acquired and used gun. Never. Which is far more than the other. Far more.

Again the total political hypocrisy of it all.

Edit: This particular event strikes home. It was a close Shipmates Brother that was executed.

Oh, and Jeff, please do post any "LEO" incident of which you posted that equals this one...

Deputy Darren H. Goforth, 47, was in uniform at a Chevron gas station when the killer approached him from behind and shot him multiple times, the Harris County Sheriff’s Office said. He then stood over the deputy and shot him several more times, witnesses told police.

"The deputy fell to ground… the suspect came over and shot the deputy again multiple times as he lay on the ground,” Gilliland said. The deputy was pronounced dead at the scene when EMS arrived.



Carry on.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:01am PT
Dude....the political agenda prevalent in this nation is the one where the crazies running the NRA hold wimpy congressman hostage to the point where the outrageous tolerance and legalization of private ownership of assault weapons has made us the laughingstock of the civilized world.
And did you ever consider that it is a little more (or should be) exceptional when LEO'S who are recruited, trained and payed to ENFORCE the law.....break it.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:06am PT
lAnd did you ever consider that it is a little more (or should be) exceptional when LEO'S who are recruited, trained and payed to ENFORCE the law.....break it.

And what Jim Donini has what you posted above have anything to do with this event?

Are you condoning this execution?

legalization of private ownership of assault weapons has made us the laughingstock of the civilized world.

WTF does that have anything to with this incident. The weapon utilized here was an illegally acquired hand gun and NOT registered per the current many many many local, State and Federal Gun Control Laws that are in place and did not do a damn thing to keep that weapon out of the executioners hand.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:08am PT
If white people aren't rioting and setting fires....might it possibly be that, while it is terribly tragic a person was killed, they know it is not a far-too-common thing.

You can bet your last dollar that, if black people started targeting and killing police officers at anywhere near the level black people get killed by lawmen in suspicious circumstances, there would be marital law in the cities.

If black police began harrassing white people simply for getting on their radar, which happens to people of color with more regularity than some people's BM's, you can rest assured there'd be trouble.

Lucky for us white folks, most minority people are decent and fine human beings. God forbid if a majority of their populations were really the violent, hate-filled people they are repeatedly painted as being.

A shameful trolling, the OP.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:08am PT
What is to protest in this case? Yes it is a horrible tragedy. For that you hold a vigil (they have).
If Miles were released or there some reason to think he wouldn't be prosecuted then there would be a reason to protest.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:09am PT
The recent shootings have all involved pistols not assault rifles
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:13am PT
Had this been a Leo doing the exact same act to a person of color in Houston, the city of Houston would be on fire as would other major cities in this nation with thousand marching and disrupting the streets of them cities.

The POTUS would have been on National TV within the hour, Al Sharpton and his brigade of riot inciters would have been in Houston holding National News conferences egging the rioters nationwide on etc etc etc....

And the usual suspects here on ST would have instantly started another LEO shoots unarmed Blackman thread with the same folks joining in on the gangbang of hate towards LEO's.

Fact.

No troll. Reality. Double standards, yup. Is it all political based? GD right is.
RyanD

climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:21am PT
Being a cop is a dangerous job where you can get shot at any time.

Being a citizen is not, or should not be.

There is no comparison here.

Just another stupid thread.



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The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:25am PT
Being a cop is a dangerous job where you can get shot at any time.



He wasn't shot in the line of duty. He was "Executed" in cold blood from behind and then shot multiple times after he was obviously DEAD.

But of course Ryan, had this been in the reverse, you'd be one of those suspects I mentioned.


Edit:
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Wow... so typical. Thanks for showing your complete disdain for Peace Officers.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:27am PT
If Cops were being jailed at rates far higher than the general population, if cops spent every day expecting to be unusually targeted by representatives of their government.. if cops were being executed like this weekly..if cops were kidnapped and kept in a box for months while trying to prove their innocence or pleaing just to get out even if innocent.

If all cops had dealt with this and worse for generations

We might have a valid conversation.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:27am PT
LEO's execute stacks of people every year, and they have bigger guns than Voters do, what's up with that?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:31am PT
Oh that's good excuse.

Blame this execution on Bill Clinton now. Right SKI?

OH, they are getting executed like this. This is the fifth LEO in as many months nation wide.

I will start with this execution of TWO NYPD's...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/20/new-york-city-police-officers-shot/20698679/

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:31am PT
Are you sure you aren't Ron?
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:31am PT
Had this been a Leo doing the exact same act to a person of color in Houston, the city of Houston would be on fire as would other major cities in this nation with thousand marching and disrupting the streets of them cities.
Yes, and rightfully so because they would have an expectation that justice wasn't going to be served.
Miles is in prison and will either get life or death. If it were a LEO he would be given administrative leave with pay.

The POTUS would have been on National TV within the hour
Not likely, but if so he would try to calm the situation.


Al Sharpton and his brigade of riot inciters would have been in Houston holding National News conferences egging the rioters nationwide on etc etc etc....
Yeah, you're probably right here.
The Call Of K2 Lou

Mountain climber
North Shore, BC
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:33am PT
Anybody wanna talk about climbing?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:33am PT
Systematic persecution by authority tends to lead to rioting or worse.

One murderer on a rampage does not.

It's not so complicated Cheif..

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:33am PT
No apo.

Just pointing out the lack of apathy and respect here on ST for those 10's of 1000's that suit up daily and go put their lives on the line for *YOU all.

So far many are doing a good job of doing that.

One murderer on a rampage does not.

Ah, that two "One murderer on a rampage" in as many days. But then those folks weren't black. The three complete innocent victims that is. Both with totally illegally acquired and non-registered hand guns.

EDIT: *Meaning all those that join in all them LEO shot an unarmed blackman and how the law enforcement community nation wide is corrupt and racist threads.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:36am PT
Not even close to true, Chief. There are plenty of LEO supporters here who chime in regularly- myself, I have at least 5 family members & good friends who have been in LE for decades. One was killed on the job, near Olancha- there's a Memorial Hwy sign there for him.

Don't be so quick to divide everybody in 'YOU' and 'US'. It's not helpful.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:37am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:39am PT
^^^^^^ Good post Jeff and precisely my point. Thanks for getting it.^^^^^



Not even close to true, Chief. There are plenty of LEO supporters here who chime in regularly- myself, I have at least 5 family members & good friends who have been in LE for decades. One was killed on the job, near Olancha- there's a Memorial Hwy sign there for him.

Did I mention or include you specifically in the group I noted, APO? NO.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:41am PT
Umm, yeah, you did...then you edited out the capitalized 'YOU' a few seconds later.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:43am PT
Cheif we just lost one in a shootout in Carson City a couple weeks ago..Just about whole city of Reno was shut down for the funeral procession..even a two helicopter escort wound its way over 40 miles. When an officer is lost in the line of duty most people stand up in respect for their service and condemn the murderer.

It's not a moment of national outrage however..it does not cause riots ..there is nothing to riot against. The culprit is apprehended and stopped...

Not so when dealing with systematic persecution. In those cases of a murder commited..the real problem is merely been made more visible and is still a there same as it has been for generations.

This is really true with Fergusen..in that case the officer appears to have been fully justified in the use of lethal force..however the perfect storm developed because of decades of other actual abuses.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:45am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What does that have anything to do with the OP??


My point regarding SKI's post and Bill Clinton:

The Clinton dynasty’s horrific legacy: How “tough-on-crime” politics built the world’s largest prison system
Over the past two decades, the Clintons' version of the "War on Drugs" has inflicted needless suffering on millions.

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/13/the_clinton_dynastys_horrific_legacy_how_tough_on_crime_politics_built_the_worlds_largest_prison/
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:46am PT
Chief, I'd like to respectfully suggest this idea to you:

The People didn't take an oath to protect the police, but rather, it was the other way 'round:

The Police took an oath to protect the people.

While this act is morally reprehensible and disgusting, it is not reasonable to suppose that the emotion and outrage when an officer is killed in the line of duty would be equal to that of the "black lives matter" or other similar groups.

So if something like this happens, that's one reason why there's no rioting and fires. Because it's not the duty of The People to protect our Protectors (The Police). And besides, no one made them take the job.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:48am PT
Yeah the Clinton tough on crime thing is part of the issue..however it is just the latest (not even the harshest) in a long string of abuses for generations.

You might notice a lead in to the declaration of independence there.. which had it roots in persecution by authority.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:48am PT
APO... fixed it an my bad. I was not CLEAR on my meaning.

when an officer is killed in the line of duty ..

He was not killed in the "line of duty". He was Executed from behind.

Can anyone please post any LEO on Black killing in the past 50 years where this ever occurred?

This LEO is the THIRD LEO to be executed in this fashion in the past three months by a person of color.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:48am PT
Chief, you made a broad generalization that the 'usual' people who rant about a black guy killed by a cop are quiet when a cop gets killed. As though those 'usual' people don't really care, in all of their deep hypocrisy.

If you are wondering why this subject didn't get it's own thread sooner, it's probably because Ron is off somewhere stuffing a rhino. Instead, you are doing that work. Thanks from all of us!

Edit: OK...thanks for the adjust. No worries.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:53am PT
I went to the movies last night...was gonna watch 'Straight Outta Compton'...then changed my mind. Saw 'Assassin- Agent 47' instead. Big mistake...walked out on it 2/3 of the way through.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:56am PT
He was not killed in the "line of duty". He was Executed from behind.

Yikes..ok you got me..I was all wrong..except for the part where he was on duty wearing a uniform and filling his cruiser at the gas station..

But hey I am outraged and do feel deeply for this guy who by all accounts was a dedicated servant of the people who loved his job and did it well..

So I'll report for duty..where are we rioting tonight? I say we kill all the humans..can't trust those people.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:56am PT
^^^^ SKI, Did you watch the video that JC posted above? Apparently not. The first minute of that video emphasizes my point of this thread perfectly.



APO.. I posted this upon learning that this particular LEO is the brother of one of my closets Shipmates that saved my ass from getting an RPG round in the head in Somalia.

That is why. And he is beyond pissed to say the least. As I am. This is beyond fked up. This particular executed LEO DUDE was one cool and community helping Cat and never saw what killed him. Never.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:02am PT
Ok you shoulda just said that in the first place.

Or is this supposed to be an anti gun control thread??..I really am getting confused about your purpose..

I was originally under the impression that you perceived some level of hypocrisy such that you felt many folks act like black lives matter more than cops lives.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:11am PT
What happen to "Feeling the Bern" because black lives matter?


apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:14am PT
Very, very sorry to hear that, Chief. Having that kind of stuff strike this close is really hard.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:16am PT
No SKI, the POLITICAL hypocrisy in general that most turn a blind eye to because of their political affiliations and ideology.

This Dude was a hardcore GOOD man that was doing some way cool stuff in the local Communities. With all people of ethnicity and color. He was a GOOD Cop that took care of all on his beat and had a heart of gold.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:37am PT
and that's the stuff I want to hear about. Sounds like a guy who changed the world for the better. Time will tell but I do not think lives like that are ever lost in vain. Senseless and horrible loss ..but his effort will live on and make a real difference.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:41am PT
He has and was doing so. He was part of special task force in the southside of Houston that cleaned up several communities of gangs of all ethnicity's and returned them all back to the good people in those neighborhoods.

The assfk that executed him was most likely a "terniator" from one of the gangs he helped rid one of them neighborhoods of.

Something, the Gangs, most here on ST haven't a clue as to how destructive and evil they really are. Gangs that have been around and in full force for well over 60 or so years allover this nation long before any of the current PC White Privi crap came about. Inner City Gangs of all color and ethnic groups. Most if not all have to do with profiting from the illegal drug and gun market in this nation. gangs that do not want a job. They can make ten times the money in a week selling illegal drugs and guns that any of those above min wage well to do jobs will ever avail them in a year.

EDIT: The fkstick that executed the two NYPD's, he was an active gangbanger.

The same gangs that are murdering innocent people throughout America every day, day in and day out by the hundreds, that no one gives a fly fk about. Gangs that do not register their weapons and abide by the hundreds of all the Gun Control Laws that are on the books. Including in many of the cities that have the strictest "Gun Control Laws" in the nation.

The same gangs that are NEVER spoke about from all them Political talking heads, including all them Politards here on ST. Most assuredly because they are clueless as to how bad and evil they really are and have NEVER been directly affected by them.

How do I know this.... I was involved in three of the same type Anti-Gang tasks force's that this LEO was. I did it as a Volunteer.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:57am PT
So another good man, a very dedicated public servant, is outright murdered.

Seems almost daily now we read of simple traffic stop resulting in the officer being
shot to death, the perps run and are ultimately caught and serve life.

Not wanting to derail Chief's thread about this particular tragedy, but just a gun comment.

We all agree in our Constitutional right to bear arms, I carry concealed all the time.

We do have good gun laws in place now, fast online background checks that while not perfect are a hell of a lot better and more accurate than in the past.

Mass murders take place every single day in the United States nowadays.

Actually I am surprised at how few mass murders given a well armed 350 million population

I look at all the horrific gun violence as the "price' we pay to live in a free USA.

Maybe that sound trite or resigned to not passing any more laws, but that's the way i see it.

More laws will not stop gun death, this guy got his illegally and apparently quite easily.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Aug 30, 2015 - 12:04pm PT
The OP's post was yesterday's talking point among the conservative echo chamber...

... the OP, a day late and a few noodles short...
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
I, the OPist, was a registered DEM since I retired from the Navy in 99 up until this past Spring (IND now). I voted for OBAMA both times.

Nice try EASTMAN.

And this is NO talking point for me. It's personal. Very Very personal.

You have a good Shipmates Brother head blown off execution style while in the open public and serving the community and have the same awesome rep for doing so, I hope to God EASTMAN, it would not be a talking point for you. But then from what I read here on ST of your posts, it probably would be.

EDIT: I was actually in the backcountry all day yesterday doing what I do to relieve my total disdain for ignorant politard people that keep current with "Talking points" regardless the side of the aisle they are from.


BTW, nice POST Norton. Thanks.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 01:17pm PT
In separate incidents two civilians were executed by San Diego cops recently. Didn't make the news anywhere outside of San Diego.

"Executed"?

Oh please do post a ref for this up!


If you really want to pursue this line, then get a list of all the killings for some time period, say the last five years and then measure the response(s) in all the cases. Come back with your data and conclusions.

By all means ZBROWN, have at it. Let's see how many LEO's have snuck up on an individual and shot them in the back of the head, then stood over him/her and emptied their mag on them. (This incident)

OR

How many LEO's have snuck up on a vehicle of two suspects and shot them in the heads and also emptied their AK mags on the two suspects. (NYPD)

OR

How many LEO's open fired on any individual that was trying to assist them on the side of the road out of a good s public servant gesture. (Last week in New Orleans)

Please, love to read them.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 30, 2015 - 01:29pm PT
IMO the greatest possible tribute to your fallen brother would be to log off and go fishing.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
That is precisely what I did yesterday. Weathered the smoke to boot. On the hike down, I thought about this entire issue and only made me that much more angry at the prevailing HYPOCRISY and IGNORANCE that is running rampant.

Thus this thread.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 30, 2015 - 01:34pm PT
ever heard of Ron White Chief? Funny dude has a shtick about how "You can't fix stupid." Words to live by.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 01:40pm PT
Oh by all means.. I gave up on trying to part of fixing the ignorance, Wade.

But this has everything to do with letting those that continue to proliferate the stupidass "talking points" try and see how cowardice and so full of political bs them talking points truly are.

As it stands to date, this is the ninth actual LEO down and dirty execution that has occurred in this nation since the Baltimore incident. Certainly appears that it is "Open Season" on LEO's by way of actual "Execution".

I have yet to read or see any such same out right "Execution" type incident by ANY Leo on any "Suspect" in the past 50-60 years.

Some one please correct me.... ZBROWN!

zBrown

Ice climber

Aug 30, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
In separate incidents two civilians were executed by San Diego cops recently. Didn't make the news anywhere outside of San Diego.
MisterE

Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
Aug 30, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
peladob

Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
Aug 30, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
Why is it a race or cop issue, Rick?

Motherf*#ker shot a guy in the back, unprovoked. Let's stick to hate and murder.

Yer just as bad as Sharpton if you jump in and start the race/repression by cops blame game.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 30, 2015 - 01:58pm PT
Mister E...is there a troll in your picture..? rj
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:12pm PT
Why is it a race or cop issue, Rick?

Not the issue nor the point perse. Just the facts.


I know I know. We do not want to call a Terrorist a Terrorist nor want to distinguish the ethnicity of the individuals involved in such out right hateful incidents for fear of "offending" someone.

Unless of course it is to inflame and perpetuate a certain "Talking Point" agenda. Then by all means is it appropriate to do so.


But not true elsewhere as evidenced by the many Democrats fighting hard as fuk for more gun regulation/control...

PLEASE Locker. Do tell us how that would have affected the 637 inner city murders to date done so by illegally acquired weapons and the "executions" of this Sheriff and the two NYPD's.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
The Chief, a fly fisherman caught in the act of trolling.

For shame! Boo! Go find Ron and buddy up with him.

You guys keep steppin' on your dinguses and lose cred and keep coming back like the pox.

Where's a Fair Game Warden when you need one?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
Not a TROLL MR. E. and MOUSE.


This particular incident hits home and is very personal as I noted up thread. He is the Brother of an individual that saved my ass from getting blown away by a "Skinny". Now go look that one up.... "Skinny" that is.

I will give you a hint.. The term originated in Heinlein's SSTers and they worked for and were deadly loyal to Aidid.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:21pm PT
No outrage over this incident just like no outrage over the black man who killed two white news people on live TV a few days ago.

Why no outrage?

Yep....doesn't fit in to the political agenda of the PC Left.


+1


edit Mr E ur entire life is a troll....

Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:27pm PT
A thread that starts stupid ain't gonna get smart.

Let's talk climbing instead.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
A thread that starts stupid...

Precisely why this real issue will continue and most assuredly proliferate.

Thanks for adding to cast of "Talking Pointers".

Maybe(???) it would only save ONE life???...

I asked you a specific question regarding the EXECUTION of the three LEO's with illegally acquired and utilized weapons. One being a totally illegal "chopper" where a totally illegal 30 round 9mm mag was unloaded on two NYPD's.

And you reply with, "maybe".

No "maybe" about it Locker. These LEO's are dead by way of Gangland executions.

Now please try again.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:36pm PT
Please do tell us how you LOCKER would "educate" full on affiliated Gangland "terminators".

Please...

Do you LOCKER even know what it entails to be advanced to one, a "terminator" inside any gang here in the US.


I know two that we/I attempted to educate. One was "Chopped down" in SO Central three years ago and the other is serving 4 life sentences in SQ
crunch

Social climber
CO
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
This particular incident hits home and is very personal.

The Chief, sorry for your loss.

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
I now know YOU don't know what you meant Locker. Not a bit.

So please, if you do, answer my last question regarding educating a hardcore Gangland Terminator that has been designated as one by the "Shot Caller/s". who btw in most cases was one for a long period of time in order to achieve his pos as one... a "Shot Caller". Which btw, are mostly behind some bars for life themselves somewhere doing the "Shot Calling".

Edit... Appreciate that Crunch. Thanks.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:52pm PT
Ah, nope. Nice try. He/she was taught it from way early on by those he or she chose to follow early in their lives.

Not one of those hundreds of Gun Laws that you say the DEMS should be praised for has ever stopped anyone of the thousands of killings in the past 50 or so years. NOT one.

I got hundred bucks says not one of those individuals could name any one of those laws let alone give a flying ratsass about any one of them. His or hers fundamental knowledge about any "laws" are those he/she swore allegiance to when they officially "affiliated" themselves into their gang at a real young age. Some even at 7-8 y/o.

Edit:




Amazing how you NEVER hear jack about any of this real story the prevails in the Inner Cities of our Nation. Never.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:55pm PT
Chief, I do appreciate your feelings about this event, given your personal involvement.

I do appreciate that a good man has gone down in service to his community.

What bothers me is that you seem to want to use it as a platform for "getting back" at blacks.

Not good. Rather evil, in fact.

You've said your piece. I suggest you go back out and fish a little longer as therapy, rather than sow seeds of hate.

But you won't admit that that is what you are doing. By your "defending" your stance, you seem to need our approbation. You don't.

All I can think to say now is "Peace, officer. Out."

Norton

Social climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 02:57pm PT
Not one of those hundreds of Gun Laws that you say the DEMS should be praised for has ever stopped anyone of the thousands of killings in the past 50 or so years. NOT one.

good point, chief

there is NO proof that any stupid background check ever stopped even one killing
and when someone shows the "proof" they are LYING anyway, LOL, hahaha

nor even the REPUBLICAN President, Reagan, who signed the Brady bill into law

while a DEMOCRATIC President, Obama, after less than two years in office, signed legislation allowing me to carry on Amtrak trains and in the National Park in my state

fvcking DEMOCRATS, don't they know passing LAWS is STUPID and will solve NOTHING\

edit; there is also NO PROOF that child seatbelt laws ever save one child, prove it, LOL
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:02pm PT
And there is NO PROOF that anything the Bush Administration did post 9/11 did anything to save us from another terror attack!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:02pm PT
This ridiculous apples vs. oranges shouting match was going on before I went out to a local limestone sport crag.....4 pitches later I'm back and it's still going on.....any resolutions yet?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:06pm PT
What bothers me is that you seem to want to use it as a platform for "getting back" at blacks.

No Sir. I do not see Color.. trust me. Half of my Shipmates are Blacks, Brown, Yellow etc.

It all has to do with getting back at the insane BS that is being proliferated by Politards and Political Figure heads that are suppose to be our Leaders and are in the work to be our future leaders.

Not one has addressed the down and dirty reality that goes on day in and day out in the "Hood". Not one.

And that is the why all this shet is getting way ugly Mouse. Because the truth is NOT addressed and it won't be. It does not gain votes within the party that pertain to.

"He/she was taught it from way early on"...

Yes Locker. By those closest to them from the day they were born. direct family members.

So Jim Donini...

When was the last time you went into downtown Denver to any Boys or Girls club or any Anti Gang Youth program and took some them young ARY's out for a day of climbing? Curious.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:09pm PT
The fish aren't biting on the eastside. Maybe they'll bite here?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
You have yet to explain how you "Educate" a them Locker. Lots of rhetoric yet no real plausible idea from you. typical.

Dirtbag, oh they were hitting yesterday prior to my return hike back down... Bigtime.




EDIT:

I am not talking High School diplomas in case you're mistaken what I mean by "Education"...

More insane ignorant rhetoric. Thanks. Maybe 1% of any affiliated gang member in the US if that actually get to the 10th grade.

Try again Locker.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:14pm PT
Nice chief!!!
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
DON'T VOTE REPULCAN!!!...

The two factions known as the Bloods and Crips in SO Central came about during this individuals dynasty...


Sordeno's and Nordeno's flourished in the Central Valley during this individuals dynasty:


Next genius try Locker.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:20pm PT
Don't vote Republican....Minorities are oppressed

Let's try this again.

The two factions known as the Bloods and Crips in SO Central came about during this individuals dynasty...


Sordeno's and Nordeno's flourished in the Central Valley during this individuals dynasty:


Next genius try Locker.

EDIT: The Bloods and Crips Home Gangs grew extensively throughout the nation (especially in what is now known as the Combat Zone in So Chicago) during this man's dynasty...




The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
So LOCKER, when's the last time you drove down from your little haven there in JT, and went to any A-R-Y org in San Bernadino or Riverside etc, took some of them young wanna-be's under your wing and took them climbing?

You know, all that education thing you sing about.

Oh, that's right, that's for someone else in the Gov't to do.

I would love to hear tales from any of you Politards here and your personal endeavors in making a difference any one young troubled adults life from the "oppressed minority" neighborhood/s.

Post em up...

Hell, I will even give you a personal example:

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
I hear ya Chief.Nobody GAF anymore. Gotta watch your a$$.

Here's something I think is outrageous. An open air slave auction. Thought these ended a couple hundred years ago. Zero outrage. From anybody.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=151_1440874435

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:33pm PT
Actually not true JD. My own Daughter spear heads an org in Portland that works with "Traffic'd" women right here in the US by no other than "Gangs". Specifically gangs from Guatemala... the "Mara's".

Man you are either trolling or you really don't have a fuking clue...

No troll Locker. When's the last time you personally got involved with any "Oppressed Inner City Youth Group" and partook in any of that education you keep singing about. Post it up. Love to read about it.

Seriously. ALL your joking aside.... "Man".
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
That's precisely what I thought Locker. You and all the other politards here "talk" tons but have done or should I say "prove" zero other than all that .... "Man" talk.


Maybe some of your politard friends here Locker and many of the "Orgs" you all condone, could use some of this from the same dude you posted above...

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:52pm PT
Again, thanks for exhibiting the typical distraction rhetoric that typifies your "Don't vote Republican" clan, Locker. You've done them all good.

Catch on to a couple of facts...

I have... thanks for reiterating my point that most here if not all that talk all this "Don't vote Republican" propaganda, do absolutely NOTHING themselves except parroting the rhetoric to make a difference out there.

I have to commend old Burchy. He does actually do as I have asked you Locker and Donini to do. He actually gets involved with troubled youths and makes a difference. Amazing how this world really works.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
You beat me to it Locker.... Again thanks.

Edit: Had you done so locker, you'd be promoting such programs and actions instead of the typical "Don't vote ..." insistent finger pointing bs.

And YES, this all ties into the OP. You think about that one Locker, Donini etal.


The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:00pm PT
Something of which you Locker appear to have given none of other than same old same old....Finger pointing and the "Some one elses job" bs.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
No Locker... I actually do and have done shet to make a difference and then complain when I see the ignorant hypocrisy that prevails after doing such.

Another example of your inept ability to observe clearly.

Edit: Hey Locker, you recently ever work with local Native "bangers"?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:16pm PT
No Locker... You did. A page and a half ago.

One exception, my "bait" is real. Yours..... not so if anything close to it.

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
See... you took it again Locker.

There's that inept ability of yours to observe clearly. Why is you "all" need to personalize it when called out on your politard bs?

Has nothing to do with me Locker. Nothing.

Has everything to do with your bs about educating and all that other "Bait" you keep throwing out on this site.

EDIT:

No Locker... you truly "Fail" many suns ago here on ST. Along with so many of your "Dont vote Republican" sportsfans.
WBraun

climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:24pm PT
Yep you don't fish. ^^^^

You only puke and pollute the water .....
skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:36pm PT
Why would anyone care if a cop gets killed?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:36pm PT
Another example of twisting of the truth to accommodate the agenda. Thanks ZBROWN.

You can narrow it down to cops killing civilians and civilians killing cops if your so inclined.


PSST... there's a big problem with that post ZBROWN. Execution and Killing are TWO distinctly different acts. But then your kind in like don't want to admit that.

BTW, where's the ref for your two supposed SD LEO completed "Executions" that you posted earlier?

Been looking for such a recent event where any SD LEO's were involved in anything that resembles sneaking up on any civilian and shooting them in the back of the head then standing over them unloading their mag into the lifeless body. Nothing to be found. No where.

Help me out.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:41pm PT
Execution and Killing are TWO distinctly different acts

You like to talk, go ahead and give a little treatise on the differences.

sneaking up on any civilian and shooting them in the back of the head then standing over them unloading their mag into the lifeless body.

These are your words, not mine. I didn't say a copy did that.

The two guys are dead, just like the guy in Texas.

Where are you holding your first riot?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:45pm PT
I have several times ZBROWN. Apparently you suffer from the same inept ability to observe clearly.

I will attempt again. Now take them Politard PC glasses off and read carefully. This may take some doing but try.

BTW, where's the ref for your two supposed SD LEO completed "Executions" that you posted earlier?

Been looking for such a recent event where any SD LEO's were involved in anything that resembles sneaking up on any civilian and shooting them in the back of the head then standing over them unloading their mag into the lifeless body. Nothing to be found. No where.


These are your words, not mine. I didn't say a copy did that.

Ah wtf is this...

zBrown

Ice climber

Aug 30, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
In separate incidents two civilians were executed by San Diego cops recently. Didn't make the news anywhere outside of San Diego.

That was posted right after I posted the definition of "excution" in ref to this specific incident.

Deputy Darren H. Goforth, 47, was in uniform at a Chevron gas station when the killer approached him from behind and shot him multiple times, the Harris County Sheriff’s Office said. He then stood over the deputy and shot him several more times, witnesses told police.

"The deputy fell to ground… the suspect came over and shot the deputy again multiple times as he lay on the ground,” Gilliland said. The deputy was pronounced dead at the scene when EMS arrived.

He was not killed in the "line of duty". He was Executed from behind.

OR... See above in bold.



Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:50pm PT
Black man shoots a white cop and there is a huge effort to find him. Tragic, but what is there to protest? Crime committed and there is a proper response.

White cope shoots a black man in the back (or stands on his hood and empties his gun into the unarmed black driver and later claims self defense, or so many other scenarios), and there is a very muted response, days before an interview, blue wall of silence, cop witnesses easily shown to have lied compared to cell phone video, etc. Community protests the lack of investigation, foot dragging, and severe over assumption of innocence simply due to the perp being a cop.

Yep, huge difference.

Perhaps you are too 'Murica to recognize people are just trying to demand equal protection under the law regardless of skin color or whether you have a badge. If only we could get equal protection to be a constitutional right...

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:52pm PT
Only one making any sense around here.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
Sorry TGT, she's a paid Republican and doesn't know jackshet about what she's ranting over. Not a clue.



White cope shoots a black man in the back (or stands on his hood and empties his gun into the unarmed black driver and later claims self defense, or so many other scenarios), and there is a very muted response, days before an interview, blue wall of silence, cop witnesses easily shown to have lied compared to cell phone video, etc. Community protests the lack of investigation, foot dragging, and severe over assumption of innocence simply due to the perp being a cop.

Please do post these events as you describe them.

Still waiting on ZBROWN's recent SD LEO's "Execution" incidents as well.


and there is a very muted response

Really. Let's see the time frame for these "muted" responses.

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
Chief, I appreciate what you are trying to do and agree with you wholeheartedly. However, the people here who say that more white cops kill black people without cause are just plain idiots and you can't reason with them.

HOLY SHET!

That is precisely what my Wife and closest friends keep telling me... including old BMCS(NPJ/DV/SEAL) "Rog". Someone who knows firsthand what "executing" is all about. As he lived it for over 24 years of his 29 year career as an "Operator". But then that is never done in war to very very bad men that do the most vile atrocities one could ever imagine can be done to innocent Women and Children. All due in part to our POTUS's policy of not calling "Terrorists..... Terrorists". Cus we sure do not want hurt anyone's feelings by doing so.

Damn...
peladob

Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:21pm PT
Comn Chief, what difference does it make at this point?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:31pm PT


Houston is a far left city, amirite? The Mayor is a member of the LGBT community? Transgenders, can use the bathroom of their choosing etc?
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:32pm PT
Dude....the political agenda prevalent in this nation is the one where the crazies running the NRA hold wimpy congressman hostage to the point where the outrageous tolerance and legalization of private ownership of assault weapons has made us the laughingstock of the civilized world.
And did you ever consider that it is a little more (or should be) exceptional when LEO'S who are recruited, trained and payed to ENFORCE the law.....break it.

Donini already won the thread, Chief on page one - it is worse, ethically, when law enforcers break the law than when law breakers break the law. Fundamentally, though, senseless violence is all f*#ked up no matter who is doing it.

The thread is one big troll from the get go, because you know full well that no sane person, regardless their political views is going to condone the execution of a a law enforcement officer.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
Comn Chief, what difference does it make at this point?

You're shetting me...


]

But.... to answer your question. I give an "oppressed Minorities" take on this incident (that's right boys and girls. Do your homework on this individuals background) as well as the "executions" of LEO's that have taken place nationwide the past 120 or so days...

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/407302-sheriff-clarke-charges-president-obama-with-starting-war-on-police-after-texas-cops-execution/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Crime



donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
Who is this Blackman anyway? His name makes it likely that he has English ancestry....what's his first name?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
F*#k the police.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:45pm PT
Donini already won the thread, Chief on page one - it is worse, ethically, when law enforcers break the law than when law breakers break the law. Fundamentally, though, senseless violence is all f*#ked up no matter who is doing it.

Nice twist and deflection Mark Force. But then that is what you are good at doing. And amazing how you call it a troll when it counters your opinion and ideology.

BTW, there is NO WINNING intended. Definitely shows your stand on this particular issue.

But if this were on the flip side... you'd be neck deep into it.

This, from an "oppressed minority" with deep roots from the "oppressed Inner City" and unanimously voted in by 87% of the Milwaukee County "Oppressed Minorities" four terms in succession, is precisely why I posted this...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Who is this Blackman anyway? His name makes it likely that he has English ancestry....what's his first name?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/suspect-arrested-killing-texas-sheriffs-deputy-darren-h-goforth-n418286




donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:59pm PT
Oh....you were talking about a black man not someone named Blackman....thanks for clearing that up.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 05:59pm PT
Both positions are trolls!

And, shame on you, Jody and Chief, because you perfectly well know it and your politicizing a tragedy the deserves a sound response by law enforcement and not cheap diatribe!
peladob

Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:03pm PT
Rick, you know my position on gunz/military/cops.

Just trolling yer a bit.

I knew the Hillary sh#t would rib yer good.
Gary

Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:07pm PT

Nice twist and deflection Mark Force.

No, Poedtke, that's called a logical argument. Donini pointed out the flaw in your premise. Since you have no reasonable counter argument, you resort to insults.

Have a nice day.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
And that MARK FORCE is why this shet will continue and probably escalate.

Nobody gives a shet.


Hey Jim Donini, weren't you a member of this "Elite" group of Warriors and have subsequently partaken in "training" evolution's with them?

[Click to View YouTube Video]

I seem to recollect that their Snipe's had one of the best KILL rates in the Afghan war. You didn't help them in attaining such a stellar record did you Jim?

BTW: Good bunch of dudes, their snipes. Inserted and extracted some of em on some ops I am not allowed to divulge as they are still "Classified".

EDIT:

Since you have no reasonable counter argument, you resort to insults.

Really Gary Schenk. Please do post up the "insults"

Oh I remember... this insult:

So Jim Donini...

When was the last time you went into downtown Denver to any Boys or Girls club or any Anti Gang Youth program and took some them young ARY's out for a day of climbing? Curious.

What an as#@&%e of me to ask such an insulting question.

How bout you GARY SCHENK, when's the last time you did such a thing. Oh, that's right, it would be insulting to do so. My bad.




Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
Nobody gives a shet.

You are making slanderous assumptions about my character and that of a lot of others here. It doesn't hold up well.

Cragman, are you saying that because the mother of the shooter is in delusional denial, that all black people are so; or that all mothers are; that the poor are, or do they have to satisfy all three to be in delusional denial? Are you making the assumption that every Democrat is denying the realities of the murder? Please clarify.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
If the "BOOT" fits Mark Force, than by all means. Tie it up tight.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:24pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
From what I've seen of "Chief" on this thread, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

This thread is AN EXCELLENT CANDIDATE FOR DELETION, by the way.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:30pm PT

A white racist just murdered 9 black people inside a black church, TGT

are you really so damn stupid that you do not understand racism goes both ways?



Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
If the "BOOT" fits Mark Force, than by all means. Tie it up tight.

That's just sad, Chief; I'm sorry that's the best you can do and only so deep as your thoughtfulness dares to go.

Thank you for the reality check, Norton. Crazy and psychopath comes in all colors.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
A white racist just murdered 9 black people inside a black church, TGT

are you really so damn stupid that you do not understand racism goes both ways?

No,

you are too damn stupid to know the difference between an mentally deranged loner and a Imam with a following of thousands trying to provoke a race war.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
Rick, you know my position on gunz/military/cops.

Since your first post DOC. But it just gave me more ammo to add to the premise of this thread that always seems to be completely deflected by those that do not want it made public...

Hypocrisy of the PC and Double Standard Agenda.

Unfortunately, someone that I knew and served with has paid the price for this prevailing attitude that is growing.

Still, NOT a peep from the POTUS on any of these EXECUTIONS. Specifically this one.

https://www.facebook.com/MAFOP?fref=photo


Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon

Aug 30, 2015 - 06:36pm PT


That's just sad, Chief; I'm sorry that's the best you can do.

Another typical move... turn it all around and play the victim. Bravo Zulu M Force.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
I'm still trying to figure out where to riot over a policemans execution..So far the only thing I can think of is storming the jail and lynching the executioner.

But it just doesn't make sense any way I work it.

I do however know where to have a gathering to show support..I'm quite sure his brothers in uniform will do that one proud. Probably the whole city of Houston.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
A white racist just murdered 9 black people inside a black church, TGT

are you really so damn stupid that you do not understand racism goes both ways?

Hmmm... I not once stated a thing about "racism". You now did.


But then it's obvious where most here think in all this.


It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race. It has everything to do with the current political agenda that obviously so many here including you Norton have been suckered into and fallen for.


Sadly, this innocent "GOOD COP" that was admired and respected by the local So Houston "Black" community was executed and is dead because of that agenda.

sneaking up on any civilian and shooting them in the back of the head then standing over them unloading their mag into the lifeless body.

does not equal

executed

Ah, put the bowl down ZBROWN and ref the supposed "recent execution" that you posted by the SD LEO's. Are now memory deficient as well? Certainly appears that way....
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
is dead because of that agenda.

That is one huge illogical leap...A sick leap actually..one that (unwittingly I suspect on your part) uses you friends brothers death for political gain. Attempting to defeat those demanding a better system for minorites. Those wanting to find a way to stick this on Obama.

Fact is both sides of this issue have legitimate issues.. those who support the police and those who support minority communities unfairly treated by the system

Want my guess..some dipshit gangbanger was sent on a "mission". The purpose of the mission was twofold..get rid of a cop and get rid of a dumbass gullible gangbanger that was despised by his own gang.

Pretty common scenario.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Aug 30, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
while i suspect this will be futile, given this thread was predicated on a friend's brothers death, i'll give one attempt at an honest non-sarcastic answer to the op's question:

Why when a white police officer is murdered by an african american man are there no protests nor riots yet when a young african american man is killed by a police officer sometimes there are?

with all due respect, the answer is quite simple.

when a white police officer is murdered, we as a white populace have every reason to believe that the [predominantly white] system will do everything in its power to hold the perpetrator responsible. due to our history we have every expectation that the system will do everything it is able to, to figuratively nail him to a wall. because of this there is no reason to protest or riot.

on the other hand when an african american man is murdered by a cop, the african american populace does not necessarily have that same confidence in the [predominantly white] system. their experience and history tells them that the [predominantly white] system will repeatedly/regularly/systematically protect the cop, rather than blindly seek justice. while this failure of justice does not happen in every case, nor even in a majority of them, the bias is also not insignificant. this bias is backed up by statistics, by publicly known example, by history and etc.

to deny that the above is true is to fail to understand the history that the US has been predicated on.

the mistaken assumption that the op's question is based on is the assumption that the protests and riots are due to the original murder/issue/etc. while i tread on dangerous ground by speaking for a group that i am not a part of, given no one is saying this, i will tread recklessly and say the following: the protests and riots are not primarily due to the original grievance but rather due to the expectation by the african american populace that there will be no justice.

i promise you that if the white populace had the same expectation, and believed [rightly or wrongly] that white cops were being systematically denied justice due to a predominantly african american system, we'd be up in arms in a heartbeat.

to not understand this basic difference is to live with blinders on.



again sorry to hear about your friend's brother The Chief. that is a f*#king disgrace, a waste and a tragedy. i hope the perp gets figuratively nailed to the wall.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:01pm PT
nah000: Good and thoughtful post.

to deny that the above is true is to fail to understand the history that the US has been predicated on.

NO it's not a leap SKI.

That is why the "agenda" I speak of proliferates the past. T

I never made mention nor do I deny that. Trust me. I understand that concept very well. My time spent working with "black" gangs in So Central taught me that. The primary weapon that the directors of the two programs I worked with was to devalue the "past" and incite change by looking at the over all present and the future. Most of the instructors that emphasized that were local home grown "black" LAPD's and LACSD's.

This is exactly what happens when the leadership proliferates the past to accomplish their goal.

Now think about that...


"Blackman Executes White Sheriff"...

Isn't that what occurred LOCKER?

Yes or No?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
^^^
Finally a good thoughtful and thought provoking post.. Mostly anyway.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
SKI, have you ever worked with any At Risk Inner City ANIT GANG Programs?

THE first thing they teach in their education component is to forget all the garbage about the whitey dominance of the past. Every bit of it. That all ended back in the 60's. But the powers to be do not want the blacks to realize that nor give them guns and knowledge.

Cragmans post nails it. That comes from an "oppressed minority" that grew up in the Combat Hood of Detroit from the exact same situ that 90% of all young blacks have to endure today. No different.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:09pm PT
Nope ..that is why I said that one post was thought provoking..I very much would like to hear that viewpoint and what has a proven track record of solving these issues.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
Well The, you've certainly convinced me, just start a new thread that lists the dates and times of the riots, since I won't be checking back in here.

If you're looking for something, learn how to look it up.



The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
SKI, precisely everything that Doc Carson speaks of. That is exactly what his Mother instilled in him and his brother. That is precisely why he is what he is today.

Ben Carson speaks the truth just as Sheriff Clark from Milwaukee. They both came out of the "Hood" and became the incredible individuals that they are today because they did not buy into the "agenda" that prevails concerning the inner city black communities. And that was well over 40 plus years ago for them.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
The Chief:

thanks for your response.

i agree with you that living in the past is a mistake.

on the other hand, are you arguing that systemic racism and the resultant failures of justice [especially in the south] are only in the past?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:21pm PT
There must have been one dinosaur, smarter then the rest, who, upon seeing the cloud rise in the distance from the striking asteroid, turned to his companions and said...."well, I guess it's time to settle up our affairs."
A lot of caucasions in this country, after centuries of priviledge, would prefer to emulate a descendent of the dinosaur, the ostrich....and burrow their heads in the sand.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
Not at all... they happened. BUT that does not mean we/us/this nation has to remain in the past.

What ever happened to all the shet about Hope and Change.

How the fk did the POTUS get to where he is today had we not changed from the past. Or Doc Carson. Or Sheriff Clark. Or Connie Rice. Or Colin Powell. Or AG Holder. Or....

What gets me is all these folks that are crying foul on how the black community is still treated like shet are all the current leaders in those communities. Even worse. Where has the POTUS been and his administration the previous 5 years prior to the latest outrage of the WHITE LEO ON BLACK killings. Why was nothing ever said or done prior to Ferguson. Why??

And the leadership in Baltimore, all black libs that have been in place for well over ten years. Seven of those under that direct assistance of the OBAMA admin.

And how about Chicago? The past four years under the leadership of an Obama croanie. Them last three having a crime rate in the oppressed So Chicago hoods escalate to 200% worse than when Emanuel took over.

NOT one Whitey in that Chain of Command. Not one.

Now that is denial if I ever saw it.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
Chief, selective reading of events seems to be your MO...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
Rail on with all of the blowhards on shock radio....your days are numbered. Perhaps something relaxing, like climbing, will extend your longevity so that you can see it come to pass.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
There's that word... seems.

Rail on with all of the blowhards on shock radio....your days are numbered.

Don't think so Jim.

The truth will come to bear. Always has. Your Unit is a perfect example of that. Seen it with my own eyes.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:27pm PT
The Chief:

not sure if your second to last post is in response to mine or not. in case it was, i wasn't attempting to ask your opinions regarding the past.

my question was intending to find out whether or not you think there is systemic racism and resultant corruptions of justice [especially in the south] in the present?
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
Hmmm; Chief, let's revisit the conversation.

You said...
Nobody gives a shet.

I said...
You are making slanderous assumptions about my character and that of a lot of others here. It doesn't hold up well.

You said...
If the "BOOT" fits Mark Force, than by all means. Tie it up tight.

I said...
That's just sad, Chief; I'm sorry that's the best you can do and only so deep as your thoughtfulness dares to go.

Then, you said...
Another typical move... turn it all around and play the victim. Bravo Zulu M Force.

Zulu! Really?!! That is just cheap, sad and pathetic.

And, you are figuring I'm playing a victim? Your opinion of me might effect me if your opinion mattered to me, but your complete lack of any sound argument that contains even a trace of logic in it undermines your import to me other than your mountains of bullshit gets in the way of working through the problem to a solution. This forum isn't even the appropriate place for this particular discussion unless your primary purpose is to inflame rather than resolve. Oh, yeah, that is the point; carry on.

So who doesn't give a shet? To purposefully inflame rather than converse and make logical argument toward arriving at an enactable solution is in the way of actually getting something useful done. Actually getting something useful done requires restraint, thoughtfulness, and discipline. It appears that you would rather just bitch.


Yer a funny guy, Chief.

And, Cragman, have you given this some thought?
Cragman, are you saying that because the mother of the shooter is in delusional denial, that all black people are so; or that all mothers are; that the poor are, or do they have to satisfy all three to be in delusional denial? Are you making the assumption that every Democrat is denying the realities of the murder? Please clarify.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:38pm PT
nah000:

Most likely it is. And my question is why if the leadership in place in most of the large inner city oppressed communities is all Black and of Dem affiliation, does all this "racism" and inequality of justice still occur. More now than ten years ago. Including the executive branch of these US of A.

Have you seen the black murder rates the past four years in Baltimore, Chicago, Los Angeles etc etc etc.

And the young black man incarceration rate have tripled in Baltimore and Chicago. All under the leadership of black dem leaders.


So why haven't any of these issues been addressed and worked on the past seven years. Especially with the POTUS and US ATT G being from that same oppressed minority.

If the pres can free cubans, why can't he free his own people here in the US. If the Pres can mandate the EPA to go after Big Coal, why can't he mandate more jobs and better education of his people?


Mark Force, wrong. You are doing what you and the other do best here. Twist and deflect.

BTW, do you even know what BZ means? Seriously?

And you have yet to answer my question if you have ever worked with and for any Inner City At Risk Youth Anti Gang Program?

Have you Mark Force?
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:47pm PT
Chief, I grew up in Baltimore,and know the place though I live far away now. You are giving BS talking points with the facts missing.

STFU about what you don't know...
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
So Locker, explain why hasn't the POTUS and these individuals done that in their crime and white previ oppressed cities the past four to six or so years...



Chief, I grew up in Baltimore,and know the place though I live far away now. You are giving BS talking points with the facts missing.

STFU about what you don't know...

Really...

Baltimore surges past Detroit in number of homicides in 2015 Baltimore has become the second most violent city in America, a Baltimore Brew survey finds, with a homicide rate exceeded only by St. Louis

https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2015/08/07/baltimore-surges-past-detroit-in-number-of-homicides-in-2015/


And here is more "Blow hard" reality facts for you Jim Donini...

According to USA Today, the “number of murders in 2015″ is up by more than 30 percent in Baltimore and up by at least that much or more in New Orleans and St. Louis. The Baltimore Sun reports that “a rising number of homicides have been recorded this year in [the] cities… [of] Chicago (up 18 percent from last year), Milwaukee (up 117 percent), Houston (up 36 percent)… and Philadelphia (up 7 percent).”

The Mayor of Baltimore is Stephanie-Rawlings Blake (D), the Mayor of Chicago is Rahm Emanuel (D), the Mayor of Houston is Annise Parker (D), the Mayor of Milwaukee is Tom Barrett (D), the Mayor of New Orleans is Mitch Landrieu (D), the Mayor of New York City is Bill de Blasio (D), the Mayor of Philadelphia is Michael Nutter (D), and the Mayor of St. Louis is Francis G. Slay (D).
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/11/other-democrat-run-cities-join-baltimore-with-surging-gun-crime/
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:56pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Aug 30, 2015 - 07:58pm PT
TC, again an honest answer to your question regarding Why if the leadership in place in most of the large inner city oppressed communities is all Black and of Dem affiliation, does all this "racism" and inequality of justice still occur?

because no one can make the results of hundreds of years of systemic oppression go away instantaneously.

legalized slavery existed on u.s. lands from at least 1526-1865.
legalized slavery existed in the newly formed u.s. of a. from 1776-1865
institutionalized segregation existed within the federal u.s. from 1776-1954
institutionalized segregation existed within the u.s. states from 1776-1964

and more importantly while there may not be institutionalized legally enforced racism, to assume that there is no systemic racism [especially in the south] to this day, is to be in denial of the obvious.

so legally enforced racial oppression lasted for 438 years on u.s. soil, and systemic racism continues to exist to this day [especially in the south], yet your question is how come Obama, black and dem leaders haven't eliminated the results of that history in 6, 51 and 51 years respectively?

you're smarter than this TC.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:02pm PT
because you don't make the results of hundreds of years of systemic oppression go away instantaneously.

No you sure don't. Especially if you mandate this type of mass incarceration that anyone in the admin and justice community nation wide knew would be primarily, young black men...

The Clinton dynasty’s horrific legacy: How “tough-on-crime” politics built the world’s largest prison system. Over the past two decades, the Clintons' version of the "War on Drugs" has inflicted needless suffering on millions.
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/13/the_clinton_dynastys_horrific_legacy_how_tough_on_crime_politics_built_the_worlds_largest_prison/

legalized slavery existed on u.s. lands from at least 1526-1865.
legalized slavery existed in the newly formed u.s. of a. from 1776-1865
institutionalized segregation existed within the federal u.s. from 1776-1954
institutionalized segregation existed within the u.s. states from 1776-1964

You forgot the Chinese slave labor force that built most of the infra structure in this country over a 100 year period.

Gee, wtf happened to them? They seem to have gotten over it and kicked some royal ass as far as getting educated and excelling in today's tech and medical/pharmaceutical industries here in the US since their brutal century of being all that you posted above regarding the black community.



Norton

Social climber
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
If the pres can free cubans, why can't he free his own people here in the US.

that's right!

the obvious FAILURE of OBUMMER to "free" his "own people" is just one more nail in the
case against him, what a piece of shet President

I mean, think about it, opening relations with Cuba and "freeing" the blacks in America
are So related, why especially considering how easy it is to do both

and yes, because the former White House Chief of Staff to President Obama just happens to now be major of Chicago, where there is, gasp, crime and bad stuff going on, why yes, that IS further evidence of of the moral and intellectual failure of Obama


Rick, are you just having fun trolling now for "entertainment"?

or are you really as obviously ignorant as you are coming across to be?

Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:04pm PT
Mark Force, wrong. You are doing what you and the other do best here. Twist and deflect.

Where specifically?

False arguments (logical Fallacies) are common and we can all fall into them. Check out this chart on them so you can take what I've posted and then order my logical fallacies accordingly.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/poster

Another typical move... turn it all around and play the victim. Bravo Zulu M Force.

BTW, do you even know what BZ means? Seriously?

Actually, I did a pretty crappy, rather than well done, job turning it around and playing victim. Can you lay out the particular points where I turned your arguments around? Keep in mind making legitimate arguments against a position is not the same as turning them around.

And you have yet to answer my question if you have ever worked with and for any Inner City At Risk Youth Anti Gang Program?

Have you Mark Force?

I think this question was originally to someone else.

SKI, have you ever worked with any At Risk Inner City ANIT GANG Programs?

I have worked locally mentoring at risk youth. I haven't worked with inner city anti-gang programs.

raw

Mountain climber
Malibu
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
Two words: No Fathers.

When the poor lad has no one around to demonstrate self-control, to say 'I don't care so much what you did, but don't you ever effing LIE to me about it', to show respect for the woman in the house, what do you expect? Black perp/black victim rates are sky-high. Dead flies, that's all those 50 or so young black men shot in a month in Chicago are, dead flies. Who cares about that?

It's a law of economics that when you pay for X you get more X, so when you pay unwed mothers to have kids, you get more single-parent families. (Dad? You're worth more if you just leave....) You expect single mom, working two, maybe three jobs, to have time to read to her children?

The Black American family used to be very strong. No more. To a lesser degree, the problem infects White & Brown America as well. The schism in this country not between rich and poor (classes very changeable in their makeup...my son right now is so poor) but between those fetched up properly and those not. Yes, Blacks are victims, but of progressive policies, like the 'War on Poverty'--we have as much poverty now as we had when LBJ initiated it....
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:08pm PT
Baltimore surges past Detroit in number of homicides in 2015 Baltimore has become the second most violent city in America, a Baltimore Brew survey finds, with a homicide rate exceeded only by St. Louis

Talk to your buddies in the police union...
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:13pm PT
TC: yep, i'll agree with you on that one.

the u.s.'s attempts at a "war on drugs" [both the reagan and clinton versions] are a candidate for one of the most nationally and globally nefarious legal and political structures that has been enacted by the u.s. in the last 40 years.

and i completely agree that the african american communities were unfairly hit by that draconian and misguided attempt at total control of the uncontrollable.



but in general, no political affiliation, either dem or republican comes out of the last 51 years without very dirty hands.

that said, the question i'd ask is whether it is better now than 51, 41, 31, 21, or 11 years ago?

i'd answer yes to all of them.

and so i'd argue that just because after 438 years of legally enforced racist oppression, it takes more than 51 years to right the wrongs, doesn't mean it's time to throw the baby [continued work in that direction], out with the bathwater [the fact that there are still problems].
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:15pm PT
^^^^^^ Please explain why the enslaved Chinese got over it, their brutal history here in the US, have excelled across the board and made their communities a middle class or better place to thrive and live. And the Blacks have not.




the obvious FAILURE of OBUMMER to "free" his "own people" is just one more nail in the
case against him, what a piece of shet President

I mean, think about it, opening relations with Cuba and "freeing" the blacks in America
are So related, why especially considering how easy it is to do both

and yes, because the former White House Chief of Staff to President Obama just happens to now be major of Chicago, where there is, gasp, crime and bad stuff going on, why yes, that IS further evidence of of the moral and intellectual failure of Obama


Rick, are you just having fun trolling now for "entertainment"?

or are you really as obviously ignorant as you are coming across to be?

Ignorant Norton...

Must I repost the latest staggering stats again Norton. Maybe so...




Baltimore surges past Detroit in number of homicides in 2015 Baltimore has become the second most violent city in America, a Baltimore Brew survey finds, with a homicide rate exceeded only by St. Louis

https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2015/08/07/baltimore-surges-past-detroit-in-number-of-homicides-in-2015/



According to USA Today, the “number of murders in 2015″ is up by more than 30 percent in Baltimore and up by at least that much or more in New Orleans and St. Louis. The Baltimore Sun reports that “a rising number of homicides have been recorded this year in [the] cities… [of] Chicago (up 18 percent from last year), Milwaukee (up 117 percent), Houston (up 36 percent)… and Philadelphia (up 7 percent).”

The Mayor of Baltimore is Stephanie-Rawlings Blake (D), the Mayor of Chicago is Rahm Emanuel (D), the Mayor of Houston is Annise Parker (D), the Mayor of Milwaukee is Tom Barrett (D), the Mayor of New Orleans is Mitch Landrieu (D), the Mayor of New York City is Bill de Blasio (D), the Mayor of Philadelphia is Michael Nutter (D), and the Mayor of St. Louis is Francis G. Slay (D).
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/11/other-democrat-run-cities-join-baltimore-with-surging-gun-crime/

The number of murders in 2015 jumped by 33% or more in Baltimore, New Orleans and St. Louis. Meanwhile, in Chicago, the nation’s third-largest city, the homicide toll climbed 19% and the number of shooting incidents increased by 21% during the first half of the year.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/760775/several-big-u-s-cities-see-homicide-rates-surge

Please do elaborate on why the facts above state what they do, NORTON!
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:17pm PT
Gotta love it when a CLIMBING forum lets an unhinged white supremacist troll run rampant.

Pathetic.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:18pm PT

The association of the breakdown of family structure leading to violence is a sound one. It's causes are cultural rather than racial.

Let's get real about this. There is really no essential difference between white gang members and black gang members. Members are there because they haven't risen above the circumstances of their culture. Under the right (wrong?) circumstances either one is just as likely to shoot me in the head and not think anything about it.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:21pm PT
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon

Aug 30, 2015 - 08:17pm PT



white supremacist ...

I was born in Spain and raised by a North African Bedu of origin Mother. My Pop is first gen Polish/German.

Yup.... another solid ignorant post.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
I wouldn't say there is ZERO outrage... the local community seems to have pulled together pretty strong. I think the MEDIA outrage is dead tho because it doesn't fit the narrative.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
^^^^ Good post GD...

Thanks for reiterating that Locker.


So Locker, maybe in your smartassness you can answer why the enslaved Asians of our past history, specifically Chinese, have gotten over it and kicked ass.

Nope. Has NOTHING to do with race. Not one bit.

That makes you second generation Weiner..

Beats being first generation Felon... Locker.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:27pm PT
"Maybe" allows for more than one option...



I suspect being that "First Generation Felon" gave you that option, Locker.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
Is it possible that The Chief is dumber than a box of rocks, regardless of his climbing or other positive attributes and efforts...

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:30pm PT
Is it possible that The Chief is dumber than a box of rocks, regardless of his climbing or other positive attributes and efforts...


Here they start... good for you Eastman.

When the truth/facts are out the personal insults begin. Right on cue, Eastman. You're so predictable and such a good soldier of the Brigade.

Maybe instead of shooting insults Eastman, you can answer why this is occurring ...

According to USA Today, the “number of murders in 2015″ is up by more than 30 percent in Baltimore and up by at least that much or more in New Orleans and St. Louis. The Baltimore Sun reports that “a rising number of homicides have been recorded this year in [the] cities… [of] Chicago (up 18 percent from last year), Milwaukee (up 117 percent), Houston (up 36 percent)… and Philadelphia (up 7 percent).”

The Mayor of Baltimore is Stephanie-Rawlings Blake (D), the Mayor of Chicago is Rahm Emanuel (D), the Mayor of Houston is Annise Parker (D), the Mayor of Milwaukee is Tom Barrett (D), the Mayor of New Orleans is Mitch Landrieu (D), the Mayor of New York City is Bill de Blasio (D), the Mayor of Philadelphia is Michael Nutter (D), and the Mayor of St. Louis is Francis G. Slay (D).
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/11/other-democrat-run-cities-join-baltimore-with-surging-gun-crime/

The number of murders in 2015 jumped by 33% or more in Baltimore, New Orleans and St. Louis. Meanwhile, in Chicago, the nation’s third-largest city, the homicide toll climbed 19% and the number of shooting incidents increased by 21% during the first half of the year.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/760775/several-big-u-s-cities-see-homicide-rates-surge

All under a President that is one of them "oppressed minorities" and victim of White Privi.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!

Aug 30, 2015 - 08:32pm PT



"It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race"...



"Blackman Executes White Sheriff"...



you keep posting the same shet Locker and have yet to answer... Locker, is that NOT what occurred?

Yes or no. Simple answer.



OOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS. That's too tough for ya, forgot.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:39pm PT
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
The Chief is just a little wound up.

He is like that psycho bull terrier that was remanded into the custody of his former owner instead of being put to sleep permanently: he's back and he's chasing ANYONE!

He missed his calling.

Should have been in law school and gone into one of the DA professions: Defense Attorney or District Attorney.

Either way, he'd have some REAL reason to argue and piss and moan.

Some people just haven't got "quit" in their genes: It's a wonder how their line of descent has survived into the present day.

But on the other side of the back-yard fence is that little kid Locker, running back and forth with his stick, egging the poor beast on while the parental unit stands by thinking "how cute, they're finally playing together."

Oh, fer gosh sakes, I'm outta popcorn. I'll check in next week.

Byeee!

Oh, Mr. Darwin, check this one out!
peladob

Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:45pm PT
Second generation weiner.....

......priceless.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:48pm PT
My Wife sent me this earlier today. She's down south with her new Grandson. She knows how much I respect and admire this dude.

What he states here is OT but is all in the same line of reasoning...

[Click to View YouTube Video]


Amazing how many of you have, "Bought it!"

Thank you all for showing me how true Gowdy's words are.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
Keep diggin chump...
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:56pm PT
Don't need to Eastman. You're wearing most of the dirt all over your face.

Funny thing is, you neglected to wash it off over the years. And it has now become layers of hardened clay.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
When the truth/facts are out the personal insults begin. Right on cue, Eastman. You're so predictable and such a good soldier of the Brigade.

You were asked about the position of the police union throughout the Baltimore issue. You have no response.

Breitbart is not a reliable source for anything. If you are not going to sit down and do some research, then cool down.

That a friend or relative died as a result of something awful is a fact. Your sorrow is a fact. Your anger needs to be tempered...
Gary

Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
Rick Poedtke wrote:
^^^^^^ Please explain why the enslaved Chinese got over it, their brutal history here in the US, have excelled across the board and made their communities a middle class or better place to thrive and live. And the Blacks have not.

I can't tell if this is a case of simple ignorance, or if you really are dumber than a bag of hammers.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
You are doing what you and the other do best here. Twist and deflect.

Benghazi now?

Logical fallacy - loaded question.

Don't need to Eastman. You're wearing most of the dirt all over your face.

Funny thing is, you neglected to wash it off over the years. And it has now become layers of hardened clay.

Logical fallacy - ad hominem.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:06pm PT



Gary

Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here

Aug 30, 2015 - 08:58pm PT

I can't tell if this is a case of simple ignorance, or if you really are dumber than a bag of hammers.


Now what was that above thread accusation of yours Gary Schenk regarding, "resorting to Insults"?

You assuredly were looking into a mirror when you typed that out.



Breitbart is not a reliable source for anything.

What does that have to do with the facts as they stand? Are you now going to state that those stats are in accurate and that the individuals cited are NOT the Mayors of those cities?

Refute the stats I posted Eastman. Show me something different.

According to USA Today, the “number of murders in 2015 is up by more than 30 percent in Baltimore and up by at least that much or more in New Orleans and St. Louis. The Baltimore Sun reports that “a rising number of homicides have been recorded this year in [the] cities… [of] Chicago (up 18 percent from last year), Milwaukee (up 117 percent), Houston (up 36 percent)… and Philadelphia (up 7 percent).”

The Mayor of Baltimore is Stephanie-Rawlings Blake (D), the Mayor of Chicago is Rahm Emanuel (D), the Mayor of Houston is Annise Parker (D), the Mayor of Milwaukee is Tom Barrett (D), the Mayor of New Orleans is Mitch Landrieu (D), the Mayor of New York City is Bill de Blasio (D), the Mayor of Philadelphia is Michael Nutter (D), and the Mayor of St. Louis is Francis G. Slay (D).

Oh, here is the article Briebert ref'd:

fter years of declining violent crime, several major American cities experienced a dramatic surge in homicides during the first half of this year.

Milwaukee, which last year had one of its lowest annual homicide totals in city history, recorded 84 murders so far this year, more than double the 41 it tallied at the same point last year.

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn said the mounting homicide toll in his city of 600,000 is driven by Wisconsin's "absurdly weak" gun laws – carrying a concealed weapon without a state-issued concealed carry is a misdemeanor in the Badger State – as well a subculture within the city that affirms the use of deadly violence to achieve status and growing distrust of police in some parts of the city.

Milwaukee is not alone.

The number of murders in 2015 jumped by 33% or more in Baltimore, New Orleans and St. Louis. Meanwhile, in Chicago, the nation's third-largest city, the homicide toll climbed 19% and the number of shooting incidents increased by 21% during the first half of the year.

In all the cities, the increased violence is disproportionately impacting poor and predominantly African-American and Latino neighborhoods. In parts of Milwaukee, the sound of gunfire is so commonplace that about 80% of gunshots detected by ShotSpotter sensors aren't even called into police by residents, Flynn said.

"We've got folks out there living in neighborhoods, where . . . it's just part of the background noise," Flynn told USA TODAY. "That's what we're up against."


So I assume Eastman, USA TODAY is to be considered tainted and suspect at best as well. Got it.

Like I posted above Eastman, good soldier.

Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:18pm PT
Stats without analysis are nothing. Do you know about the issues with the police union and the virtual cessation of policing following the Freddie Gray fallout? Why of course the stats show what they do as the union decides to support cops that clearly violated the law and their status under the public trust by holding a virtual work slowdown.

The arena is not balanced but to have cops behave below the standards they are issued to work under is something subject to criminal prosecution. That is what is happening and the union is dragging its feet...

... at the public's peril.

Rise above your silly posturing and realize that each of these situations is terrible and complicated.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:21pm PT
Well, you all are now resorting to your typical behavior of not refuting anything with facts rather throwing out personal insults in order substantiate your ideology. Thanks for that Gary Schenk, T Eastman and now Mark Force.

Amazing how so many of you stand by the BS that you call Democratic Leadership. When in fact, most of this supposed "Oppression" you all scream about of late, has not changed what so ever in the past 24 years. 17 of those years under the leadership of a DEM president and the last six or so of those years under the local leadership the the same. Troy Gowdy is spot on his assessment in more ways than one... "I'm just surprised at how many people bought it."

So much for all that BS about Hope and Change.

After years of declining violent crime, several major American cities experienced a dramatic surge in homicides during the first half of this year.

Milwaukee, which last year had one of its lowest annual homicide totals in city history, recorded 84 murders so far this year, more than double the 41 it tallied at the same point last year.

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn said the mounting homicide toll in his city of 600,000 is driven by Wisconsin's "absurdly weak" gun laws – carrying a concealed weapon without a state-issued concealed carry is a misdemeanor in the Badger State – as well a subculture within the city that affirms the use of deadly violence to achieve status and growing distrust of police in some parts of the city.

Milwaukee is not alone.

The number of murders in 2015 jumped by 33% or more in Baltimore, New Orleans and St. Louis. Meanwhile, in Chicago, the nation's third-largest city, the homicide toll climbed 19% and the number of shooting incidents increased by 21% during the first half of the year.

In all the cities, the increased violence is disproportionately impacting poor and predominantly African-American and Latino neighborhoods. In parts of Milwaukee, the sound of gunfire is so commonplace that about 80% of gunshots detected by ShotSpotter sensors aren't even called into police by residents, Flynn said.

"We've got folks out there living in neighborhoods, where . . . it's just part of the background noise," Flynn told USA TODAY. "That's what we're up against."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/09/us-cities-homicide-surge-2015/29879091/

The Mayor of Baltimore is Stephanie-Rawlings Blake (D), the Mayor of Chicago is Rahm Emanuel (D), the Mayor of Houston is Annise Parker (D), the Mayor of Milwaukee is Tom Barrett (D), the Mayor of New Orleans is Mitch Landrieu (D), the Mayor of New York City is Bill de Blasio (D), the Mayor of Philadelphia is Michael Nutter (D), and the Mayor of St. Louis is Francis G. Slay (D).


Rise above your silly posturing and realize that each of these situations is terrible and complicated.

Apparently far too complicated for the current local DEM leadership that in most cases grew up in those combat zone "Hood" neighborhoods to do anything about. Right Eastman.

Wasn't too complicated for Bill Clinton when he mandated the Tough on Crime Policy some 21 years ago that most assuredly has put more YOUNG BLACKS in prison than at any time prior to his actions. I can post those stats if you wish me to Eastman.

Do you know about the issues with the police union and the virtual cessation of policing following the Freddie Gray fallout?

Dah... why in the fk do you think they ever did such a thing, Eastman? Why?

You got your Mayor telling you to stand down (basically letting you know she does not have your back if you in fact do your job and try to maintain law and order per the oath you swore to) when the city is falling apart, burning etc. WTF would you do. Return the next day business as usual? Apparently so.

Go figure.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
Chief, Your continual baiting, deflection, "yeah, buts..", ad hominem attacks, loaded questions that deflect from your lack of making any sound argument; your lack of providing a clear concept of what you would do about what you perceive the actual problem to be all make your thread a non-starter other than to get people riled. Bravo Zulu, indeed. It really is all about baiting and bitching. Right?

I made my case about the issue of cultural causes that have nothing to do with race and the lack of difference between white gang violoence and black gang violence. They should be treated exactly the same and taking to the streets isn't really responsible action at this point. Let the law do their work and either come up with some actually useful ideas or just stop - the more you post, the dumber and more incoherent it sounds.

The thread deserves nuking.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:47pm PT
Allow me Mark to repost the premise of this thread before you and others started your typical BS.

Not the point Jeff and precisely why I posted it. It's the hypocrisy and political bs agenda that prevails in this nation. They are ALL just a equal in being fked up. Not one is worse than the other as so many political groups these days are claiming that they are in order to perpetuate their agendas.

The "guns" issue only gets brought up when an event occurs that a legally acquired and registered weapon is utilized. But never when this type incident happens, a totally illegally acquired and used gun. Never. Which is far more than the other. Far more.

Again the total political hypocrisy of it all.

Edit: This particular event strikes home. It was a close Shipmates Brother that was executed.

Deputy Darren H. Goforth, 47, was in uniform at a Chevron gas station when the killer approached him from behind and shot him multiple times, the Harris County Sheriff’s Office said. He then stood over the deputy and shot him several more times, witnesses told police.

"The deputy fell to ground… the suspect came over and shot the deputy again multiple times as he lay on the ground,” Gilliland said. The deputy was pronounced dead at the scene when EMS arrived.



And MARK FORCE, you have yet to answer my very simple and basic question...

Have you ever worked for or with any Inner City At Risk Youth Anti Gang Program/s?

I made my case about the issue of cultural causes that have nothing to do with race and the lack of difference between white gang violoence and black gang violence. They should be treated exactly the same and taking to the streets isn't really responsible action at this point. Let the law do their work and either come up with some actually useful ideas or just stop - the more you post, the dumber and more incoherent it sounds.

Apparently you speak from first hand experience in dealing with such gang issues.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
I answered that upthread.

I have worked locally mentoring at risk youth. I haven't worked with inner city anti-gang programs.

By the way that question was a deflection and logical fallacy - tu quoque via a loaded question. You deflected and then attempted to undermine my credibilty by asking me a question that was not directly related to the conversation. Shame on you.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:54pm PT
Really, I just scanned all your posts on this thread and can not seem to find it.

Please refresh your answer or cite the post.

Yes or No.

Thanks.

EDIT: Please also show where I "attacked" anyone on this thread. Thanks.

But, I sure can start posting the obvious "attacks" that have come my way. But them are all good, right Mark Force.

And no it was not a deflection Mark Force. The question regarding the Anti Gang Programs.

Just want to see if you in fact have personally experienced the "education" processes that are out their by the actual community leadership that are on the front lines. Or, you are pulling the stuff you are posting regarding gangs outta your ideological bucket of dead worms.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 09:59pm PT
Everyone, even you, should be held to the same standards, Chief!

Crappy arguments are crappy arguments regardless of who makes them. For crappy arguments, I have to give you the win, Chief, though that may be due tothe sheer volume more than anything else!

And, I never talked about any of those programs upthread. You might still be confusing me with someone else here.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:03pm PT
- You just told me you answered my question whether or not you did. WTF?


 And I expect to be and have done so, more times than you could ever imagine Mark Force.

So what does that have to do with the fact that you have not worked with any young at risk youths and did your best to understand what really goes on in the Hood, Bario, etc etc.

Had you done so Mark Force, volunteered with an Inner City ARY Anti Gang Program, and it's never too late btw, you may just realize that much of the BS you and the others keep proliferating here regarding oppression and it all being complicated etc, is just that.

Here is another little insight from one of those "oppressed" individuals that sees things and tells us the way they truly are...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:14pm PT
Chief, it is the post above. Where it says,

"I
have
worked
locally
mentoring
at
risk
youth.
I
haven't
worked
with
inner
city
anti-gang
programs."

Upthread I never mentioned these programs or made any arguments for or against them. You are thinking of someone else.

I also never used the word oppression or anything like it; I made no excuses for anyones' behavior, and made no distinction about the responsibility anyone has for their actions based on their circumstances or the color of their skin. WTF is your point?

This thread serves no useful purpose. It was begun by you to grandstand rather than have a conversation and come up with useful ideas or actions. Good natured ball busting, taking to task, sh#t talking, tall tales, and bragging (with tongue in cheek) are all fun and add to the forum. That is not what is happening here.

Your thread could be the definition of a thread that deserves to be nuked. I'm out.
MisterE

Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:18pm PT
The latest spin cycle brought to you by...

none other than Mr. Fireplug himself!


Feed the fire.

He really does need it.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 10:22pm PT
Well, Mark, I highly recommend you make an effort to do so. After which you can return to this or any other type discussion with a more realistic point of view.

I guarantee you Mark Force, it, your pov, will NOT be the same as it has been here on this thread or any other in regards to this issue.

Specifically the gang culture and the ensuing violence that prevails throughout this country and pretty much is the basis of this thread and the recent execution of the Sheriff down in Houston.

Your thread could be the definition of a thread that deserves to be nuked

Of course it does cus it does not align with the prevailing opinion here on ST which I and some very few others here are a minority of. Had this been another LEO on Black killing, it would flourish just as Sheriff Clarke speaks of in the last video I posted for the exact same reason he states.

I also never used the word oppression or anything like it

Where did I specifically state that you Mark Force, ever did. Where.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:24pm PT
Pretty whacked out, Chief.

What's the difference?

In this case, the black man was NOT an agent of the Govt, claiming that it was a righteous shoot. The local gov't agencies, the OFFICIAL elected and appointed officials, and not coming out and singing that the shoot was justified and desirable, and what any other black man would and should have committed.

In the cases with rioting, all those things were true in favor of the white officer.

it is NOT an equal and equivalent situation.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 30, 2015 - 11:38pm PT
In the cases with rioting, all those things were true in favor of the white officer.

Of course the local authorities/justice system etc that exonerated those "white" officers in those "shoots" were all bought and paid for by the local Police Unions, the officer themselves etc. Right Ken M.

And may I add, the issue that fired off the rioting that ensued in Baltimore is still in the local justice system and has the paint of local political indignation all over it. Oh and let's not forget the "lynch mob" mentality of the looters and rioters. All justified behavior of course.

it is NOT an equal and equivalent situation.

It sure isn't. It is far worse. As were the other recent cold blooded methodical "executions" of the LEO's and the incident in NYC. But then fk those two young NYPD lads. That is what they signed up for, right Ken M. To get ambushed and shot repeatedly in the head with a totally illegally acquired AK for absolutely no reason other than being a "Pig"....

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 31, 2015 - 07:00am PT
There is a great crag near Moab called "Stupid White Men." I'll probably be reminded of this thread every time I go there.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 07:19am PT
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado

Aug 31, 2015 - 07:00am PT
There is a great crag near Moab called "Stupid White Men." I'll probably be reminded of this thread every time I go there.

I am glad to see you come around over night Jim. But don't be so hard on your fellow STers. They look up to you for truth and wisdom. Being a former member of an elite and badass "Sniper/Killer Team" group that you still assist in training from time to time and all.

EDIT: Back to my post up thread regarding one of those alma mater of yours Jim. The one Snipe Dude we flew around "the day after" on Oct 4th, that badass could put a .50 cal round from his M82A1 on "Skinny" target from 2k' AGL and moving around 70 kts. He was good and very hungry for blood, as we all were, after the preceding days horrific events in which his crew lost two Brothers. I distinctly remember discussions back at the airport the ensuing days. Many, including some of your Brothers, felt as if the POTUS had literally "thrown us all under the bus". Even Garrison mumbled words in such amongst us all.

And I still do not get this "Dual" personality thing of yours that you have going on. Puzzling to say the least, Jim.

Smiling while getting an award from a group of paid "Confirmed" gov't sponsored killers with a long honorable history of doing so.


EDIT EDIT...

Do those "Bad to the Bone" dudes know how you really feel about things, Jim?
peladob

Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
Aug 31, 2015 - 07:31am PT
Is that up Negro Bill Canyon?
franky

Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
Aug 31, 2015 - 07:37am PT
Arguing with The Chief is so 2008.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 09:07am PT

^^^ Why we need a "like" button. :-) Franky knows, but so many others, much like dogs barking at other dogs through the fence, want to demonstrate their lack of intellectual superiority.

George Carlin quote -
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Mark Twain quote
""It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 09:16am PT
Thanks Burch... it seriously instills fuel for the "Fire" that needs to buuuuuuuuuuuurn!


Edit: BTW, did you ever get up and do the route, GP Spire?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 31, 2015 - 09:24am PT
There's no dual personality thing with Donini. We're not required to love war, or republicans, or want every assault rifle on the market or anything else after serving our country.

We can still be proud of our service, and stay in close contact with our comrades. I taught an awful lot of survival to Fed agents and police aircrews after leaving the military. I want the best for all those guys trying to do their jobs.

Some cops are still power mad pygmies who abuse power and the citizenry. Please note I said some, even a "few" if you like that word better.

I have ex-cops in my family, and they are good, solid men, who sometimes had to do dangerous things. It's not an all or nothing conversation. There's nothing wrong with seeing both sides of an issue, which some people seem incapable of doing.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 09:35am PT
Well, that makes sense Survival. Thanks. I was just curious cus all the "Operators" I worked with and am still in contact, including the Brother of this executed Sheriff, well, I know they wouldn't be at all liking what they would read here.

Oh, and that would not be the posts from me.
c wilmot

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 09:58am PT
its odd to read posts from so many old white man bashing OTHER white men. They themselves are of course innocent though in their mind. its those OTHER white guys. Meanwhile young white boys who have done nothing, wonder what on earth they did wrong, and why their elders express so much negativity at them.
All this hateful rhetoric seen currently in the media is just to divide the people while the rich continue to plunder the US. Its working well too.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:07am PT
I don't blame you for being angry, especially if you know the brother of this fallen officer. My sincere condolences to his family and his friends.


Let's just say that some blacks have a couple hundred years of pretty well justified anger pent up inside them. Was this killer justified? Hell no. Some of them are just bat sh#t crazy, or too fired up on strong dope to know the difference, just like white people.

Should there be rioting, fires and looting? No, just like I don't believe it's helpful when blacks do it.

To think that blacks have somehow become more evil than whites suddenly is also misdirected. Anger, frustration, misdeeds, mental illness, drugs, guns, they all run both ways.



Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:14am PT
Shot 15 times......

.....and not a peep from the POTUS.

Another update from RighteousChristianPatriotObamaWatch.

Thanks for your service Cragman!!!111666



Norton

Social climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:16am PT
stop making sense, survival

this thread is about white outrage because a black guy shot a white cop

and most important, why are the whites not rioting and starting fires in their suburbs

because False Equivalence is everything in presenting a fair and balanced indignation
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:29am PT
In 2013 (the last year of full data available), there were 14,196 homicides in the USA (see:https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls_);.


That averages to 39 per day (38.89).

Personally, I believe that a president commenting 39 times a day, everyday, all year, about every homicide might not be his/her best use of time.

Nonetheless, carry on.

c wilmot

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:41am PT
An examination of data regarding the offenders for whom race was known showed that 53.6 percent were black, 43.9 percent were white, and 2.5 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,112 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)

also from 2013 FBI stats.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:52am PT
Personally, I believe that a president commenting 39 times a day, everyday, all year, about every homicide might not be his/her best use of time.

A better use of his time would be to go on Bear Grylls' reality show. Golfing 250 times (so far) and spending weeks upon weeks on vacation.

Yep, commenting on a fallen officer shot dead because of all the rancor in this society is something he doesn't "have time" for....

He is a joke. Your answer was a joke....

Edit: I corrected the spelling on "rancor" Evidently this was the big deal to Wade Icy
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:58am PT
A better use of his time would be to go on Bear Grylls' reality show.

This, in my opinion, is also not the best use of a president's time.

Also note that my opinion didn't mention a president not having time for commenting (as you suggest), I just noted that in my opinion a president should be doing something else. Would you feel better if every president commented on every homicide? Why? I'd rather they use their time to work toward minimizing the number of homicides.


edit: Fun with numbers. Assuming all sitting presidents should comment on each homicide, that means this in a few different years:
1993: 24,526 homicides = H.W. Bush commenting 67 times a day.
1994: 23,326 homicides = Clinton commenting 64 times a day.
2001: 16,037 (not counting the 9/11 2,752 homicides), Bush would have commented 44 times a day (with the 911 murders, he would have commented 51 times a day).





Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 31, 2015 - 11:00am PT
HM-you of all people should be familiar with the the proper spelling of rancor.
did you fact check with craggie on the presidents' golf stats?
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Aug 31, 2015 - 11:28am PT
Sorry for your loss TChief.

Probably the second the murder happened the whole houston police force went into action looking for the guy along with all the nearby local police forces. They mobilized to support their fallen comrade.

IMO that is generally what is happening with Black Lives Matter movement; the support group is mobilizing; very similar . They need to protect themselves when the cops are not doing it and are caught perpetrating the violence.



The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station

Aug 31, 2015 - 10:07am PT

I don't blame you for being angry, especially if you know the brother of this fallen officer. My sincere condolences to his family and his friends.


Let's just say that some blacks have a couple hundred years of pretty well justified anger pent up inside them. Was this killer justified? Hell no. Some of them are just bat sh#t crazy, or too fired up on strong dope to know the difference, just like white people.

Should there be rioting, fires and looting? No, just like I don't believe it's helpful when blacks do it.

To think that blacks have somehow become more evil than whites suddenly is also misdirected. Anger, frustration, misdeeds, mental illness, drugs, guns, they all run both ways.

Thanks Bruce. Regardless our differences in fkstick politics, we meet on common ground due to the shet we did for this Nation. I appreciate the tone.

I thought for sure Jim Donini would address this in the same compassionate manner. Obviously his time in didn't make the same impression as you exhibited above and that of which I expect from a former SOF Operator. Not even a peep from him regarding condolences or any remorse for the death of this fine upstanding LEO. That was really disappointing.

FWIW, the intent of this thread has nothing to do with race, creed or color. The ensuing poster threw that into the mix.

The intent was the hypocrisy of BLM etc. This brutal execution is an example that the verbiage this nation needs to sing is...

ALL LIVES MATTER.

Period.

From my second post here...

Not the point Jeff and precisely why I posted it. It's the hypocrisy and political bs agenda that prevails in this nation. They are ALL just a equal in being fked up. Not one is worse than the other as so many political groups these days are claiming that they are in order to perpetuate their agendas.

The "guns" issue only gets brought up when an event occurs that a legally acquired and registered weapon is utilized. But never when this type incident happens, a totally illegally acquired and used gun. Never. Which is far more than the other. Far more.

Again the total political hypocrisy of it all.

Edit: This particular event strikes home. It was a close Shipmates Brother that was executed.


Deputy Darren H. Goforth, 47, was in uniform at a Chevron gas station when the killer approached him from behind and shot him multiple times, the Harris County Sheriff’s Office said. He then stood over the deputy and shot him several more times, witnesses told police.

"The deputy fell to ground… the suspect came over and shot the deputy again multiple times as he lay on the ground,” Gilliland said. The deputy was pronounced dead at the scene when EMS arrived.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
Stop making sense, CG!

This is about white outrage over a cop shot by a black man! (I read this somewhere.)

NEVER miss an opportunity to express your hatred for the BlackMuslimPOTUS!
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:22pm PT
...his own community...

Who is his community? Attorneys? Ivy-league graduates? Hawaiians? Males? Fathers?

dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
O.D.S.

You guys are bonkers.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
That's just simply not true Cragman.

Obama has stood up for, and honored people of many characteristics just as Bush did before him, and Clinton did before him, etc.

It's easy to find these things if one looks. But some people don't want to see it it appears.

Still, this thread (I thought) was about the tragedy a horrible murder of a LEO who was executed by a piece of sh#t - Not about Obama hate. I don't see why someone's view of Obama matters in this event. What matters is that the criminal justice system apprehended the p.o.s. very quickly (and many of those who did so where a part of Obama's "community" as you see it) and the perpetrator will be dealt with...in Texas/Harris County (my home). If the p.o.s. was a bit smarter, he should have considered doing his deed some place where criminals are treated a bit better. It won't end well for him there (as it should be).
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:33pm PT
Cragman and Chief....you wear your prejudices like a scarlet letter. Don't worry...the black president will be out of office soon. Probably won't sit well with you guys if he's followed by a liberal woman.
For avowed Christians you guys don't seem to have much compassion, forgiveness or understanding of people different from you.
Stay tuned to Fox News and right wing radio for the real scoop.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
Hey Donini... I voted for OBAMA twice I am sorry say today. So, with all due respect, STFU with the racism shet already. You're sounding just like Sharpton etal. WTF is your problem!!!

Not a fking peep from your self righteous ass regarding the fallen LEO. He was a GOOD COP that loved his community and vice a versa. Look up thread at Cranstars post regarding how the community is coming together to honor him and all he did for them.

And btw, his Brother may just come on here and tell to go fk yourself with far worse verbiage to ensue. He btw is a retired Frog of 25 years with over 36 Ops all over this shethole planet.

Get a grip would YOU, Donini!
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
Nonsense, Callie....Obama is ALWAYS quick to call out cops when something happens against a black citizen......yet remains perfectly quiet on this latest spate of black on white murders......including an assassination of a LEO.

I am open-minded enough to consider your comment. Can you provide to me the list of all incidents where cops who did something to a black citizen and an accounting of Obama's response to it? I'd be especially interested in this list as it'd be useful in my work.

I'll give you the second point. I am in agreement that Obama didn't say anything about almost all of the "black on white murders." Let's take 2013 as an example (data are not yet available on more recent years). In 2013, there were 409 black-on-white homicides. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls);.

In that same year, there were 2,509 white-on-white homicides and I'm not aware he said anything about them either.

Also, he didn't have much to say about the 2,245 black-on-black murders in 2013. Same with the 189 white-on-black homicides.

It looks like from this, that Obama just doesn't comment on the overwhelming majority of homicides regardless of the offender/victim race.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:48pm PT
Truly you guize do speak for the victims here, the powerless, the oppressed. I mean caucasian males are really threatened in this society, especially by armed state actors. So proud of you, Chief and Craggy, our selfless voices of the voiceless.

/snark
Jefe'

Boulder climber
Bishop
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
Thanks Chief and Cragman.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:55pm PT
Love how the colors come out after the original post which had absolutely nothing mentioned about racism. Not a peep.

Just the hypocrisy of the politics involved.

Thank You all for making this into thing of race. Something this political side of the aisle/ideology is so good at doing. Reason why I am no longer a reg DEM after 16 years of voting as such. Appreciate you all showing me I made the right decision and re-register as an IND.

Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 30, 2015 - 09:38am PT
This Sheriff was outright executed in cold blood. It was all captured on video.

http://news.yahoo.com/sheriffs-deputy-fatally-shot-houston-while-pumping-gas-043751950.html

Haven't read anything about any rioting, or looting or even a peep about any fires set. Can someone in the know please direct me to anything that tells of such a thing occurring after this fked up event the night before last, happened?


AND, Where's the POTUS, Al Sharpton, the Black Lives Matters, Hillary, Bernie etc brigade regarding this? How about some OUTRAGE from them Leaders concerning this. Not gonna happen.

PS: The weapon that was used was a stolen and illegally possessed by the suspect. And initial reports look like he was a local gang thug.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 31, 2015 - 12:56pm PT
Cragman

while I appreciate you obvious color blindness, your obsession with golf (typical of you and your ilk) is not healthy.

check it out

[Click to View YouTube Video]


also check out Mark 12:31
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:01pm PT
Thanks Dingus... at least you and Bruce (Survival) get it. I do appreciate that. And your tone.

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:06pm PT
Hey Rick,

I thought you were over crap slinging fests like this one.

What are you doing starting this sh!t ..
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:06pm PT
Dingus, I hate to say it, because my stomach knotted when I looked into that porcine cop's photo and my heart hurt deeply for his fatherless kids and his widowed partner, but dude: it's kinda parta the job hazards assumed upon swearing in, or is it not?


EDIT: Amen Mike.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
Crap?

Nope... this one hits home and is deep. Read the first page.

The LEO that was executed is the Brother of the dude that saved my ass from a SKINNY RPG round going through my head in SHUTOWN.

But seriously appears most here haven't a clue what that entails.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
Loc?

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:11pm PT
Like I really give a fly fk what a climbing shoe resoler thinks about me.


Got Glue... Locker.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:14pm PT
Any person that thinks being a cop does not make you a target for random and unanticipated acts of violence is a rube.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:14pm PT
Agreed DMT. Just because one is working in field where there is more danger than most other professions, their death is always tragic, awful and sad.

And The Chief - I think Locker was referring to the comment above his, and not yours.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
Thank You all for making this into thing of race

You took care of that with the thread title dude.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:16pm PT



thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places

Aug 31, 2015 - 01:14pm PT
Any person that thinks being a cop does not make you a target for random and unanticipated acts of violence is a rube.


It's the fault of the shooter and not the "target." I don't blame the victim.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:17pm PT
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places

Aug 31, 2015 - 01:14pm PT
Any person that thinks being a cop does not make you a target for random and unanticipated acts of violence is a rube.

With that said, why then are you the first to throw a fire grenade in any thread that has to do with a LEO on Black incident.

After all, keeping the concept that you're a target always in the back of your head.

Think about that one for a while, cowboy.


OR are you implying as Dingus suggested...
two-shoes

Trad climber
Auberry, CA
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
Man, some people got too much free time on their hand and like nothing better than to get people all riled! Fun, fun, fun!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
CG, I thought I made clear my immediate sense of horror for the man's family, for that senseless and seemingly random violent act.

But yes, being a more likely target for random acts of violence is certainly a part of being a cop. My view does not mean that I am not horrified, only that being in that line of work increases the likelihood of a gun death on the sidewalk. Just like being born black. Or poor.


EDIT for the Chief: Or speaking your mind on matters that make the Chief feel like taking revenge.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:23pm PT
CG, I thought I made clear my immediate sense of horror for the man's family, for that senseless and seemingly random violent act.

I thought you did too. Still, it's a sad and tragic event.

I think there is a whole lot more agreement on this thread than many recognize.
overwatch

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:24pm PT
Sorry for your loss ,Chief and the rest of the friends and family of the fallen. I usually stay out of this stuff here because it never gets anywhere and this place is enough of a time sink without arguing with everybody. But I have known , worked and trained with many LEO/SF guys and I have deep respect for what they do, bad apples aside. I am no cop lover either, I ran with gangs in my late teens/early 20's and have a fairly full arrest resume.(Not a convicted felon)

I just don't see why you keep trying here, I think your creel is full. Nothing will be resolved.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:24pm PT
^^^^^ Another that gets it. Thanks.


You took care of that with the thread title dude.

NO! I was just passing on the title of this local news station Youtube that was sent to my by a Shipmate as this is how I learned of the incident...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
Yeah, Lou, I just got that impulse, hard.

I had a good day out yesterday, boulderin' in the morn, nappin' in the aspens for the heat of the day, and then winding down the weekend on some mellow cracks.

You been getting out lately, Lou?


EDIT: CallofK2Lou asked and then deleted: "Anyone wanna talk about climbing?"
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
Sorry for your loss Chief.

Sort of sad how almost everything gets twisted into a "race deal"

ST is full of "Old Whitemen this" and "blackdudes that" and "Mexican other".....

can't you people see that if your first thought is "wow, to bad, what race shot who?" .... your a screwed up person.


Murder is wrong- period.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
and I yours, Dingus Milquetoast

;-)


thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:41pm PT
I see what you're doing there, the old empathy game.




















And I heartily applaud it! DMT fer prez!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 01:45pm PT
Ahh, I see. Well yes, I totally agree that the heavy-handed behaviors by many LEs are often rationally rooted in strong instincts and training for self-preservation. I am just pointing out that LEs DO need to be ready for work knowing that ambush and random violence can and do occur....which you agree with me on?

EDIT: Sorry to smith the words out to my better liking (post-posting), but we all know that was how Hemingway got so smooth.
overwatch

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:04pm PT
That was a good post, DmizzleT
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:05pm PT
IMO one huge problem with this country, also the cause of so much division, is the fuked up two party system...

Get fuking rid of it!!!...

And replace it with.....?

Are you a Socialists Locker... or even worse, Communist? My bad, you're one of them "Long Live the Queen" dudes that we broke away from back in the 1700's.



I am just pointing out that LEs DO need to be ready for work knowing that ambush and random violence can and do occur....

Thank you COWBOY for justifying Officer Wilson's instinctive reactions and those of other LEO's that acted in the manner in which they did after they assumed that an ambush or random act of violence was very imminent or actually occurring.

A true breath of fresh air finally away from so many of the "Hate the Pigs" crowd that dominates this thread.



EDIT: Locker, the least you could do is get an AM radio. We have a multi party system in this country.

Bernie Sanders, INDEPENDENT
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:11pm PT
Why have sides?

Oh man.. GOT GLUE? Locker.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:12pm PT
A true breath of fresh air finally away from so many of the "Hate the Pigs" crowd that dominates this thread.

so far in this thread you're the only one who has written those words.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
Are you a Socialists Locker... or even worse, Communist? My bad, you're one of them "Long Live the Queen" dudes that we broke away from back in the 1700's.

wow

Rick, why would you ask Locker if he is a socialist or communist

what are you, Joe McCarthy?

what has he said that now he is another in your long target list of people to go after here?

why are you so damn thin skinned, Rick?

anyone who doesn't post kissing your ass in agreement becomes your next insult

what it says about you is that you are very insecure in yourself, hyper sensitive

now, reply calling me NOrton or some other childish name twisting, then ask me why
I am a communist, or a liberal, or some other irrelevant bullshet diversion insult of your day

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:16pm PT
Wade, I did say FUck the Police back there a ways.

And meant it heartily. But I still thank 'em whenevers I have a non-interrogative interaction: "I appreciate your willingness and ability to do a job that most people cannot and will not."
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
Cops in action 2014. Probably the homeless guy wasn't assasinated, executed or murdered. Wonder why he is dead.

And y'all always want to side with the man.

"He was shot in the back and in the side," McGinn said during her closing argument. "That shows that he was not a threat when they shot him."

Defense lawyers countered that Boyd had threatened officers with two knives and Perez and Sandy had no choice about opening fire. The lawyers said the officers were following their training and protecting their colleagues.

"It should be clear to everyone now that James Boyd was not executed for being a homeless camper," defense attorney David Roman, who represents Perez, said in his closing argument.

During the hearing, Bregman, who represents Sandy, questioned K-9 officer Scott Weimerskirch from a 4-foot platform to illustrate whether Boyd being on higher ground was a threat to Weimerskirch and other officers at the scene.

Holding fake knives, Bregman asked if Boyd's actions put officers in danger. Weimerskirch answered yes.

"I was in a helpless position ... trying to control my dog," Weimerskirch said, crediting Sandy and Perez for saving his life.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
Dingus, I know, I know. WTF am I doing on this site while the wax burns?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:20pm PT
Wade... really?

skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or

Aug 30, 2015 - 04:36pm PT
Why would anyone care if a cop gets killed?

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places

Aug 30, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
F*#k the police.

And it appears that two of the others that were rather direct in their "Hate for the Pigs" suddenly just got deleted after my post stating such.... hmmmmm!

zBrown

Ice climber

Aug 31, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
Cops in action 2014. Probably the homeless guy wasn't assasinated, executed or murdered. Wonder why he is dead.

They have been officially charged and will eventually be going to the State Penn for their actions ZBROWN. Thank you for NOT posting the rest of that story...

https://news.vice.com/article/albuquerque-cops-charged-with-2nd-degree-murder-in-shooting-of-homeless-schizophrenic-man
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
you're the only one who has referred to them as pigs. but I'm a solid year past arguing with you. go fishing Dude.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
Wade Icey

Trad climber
http://www.alohashirtrescue.com

Aug 31, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
you're the only one who has referred to them as pigs. but I'm a solid year past arguing with you. go fishing Dude.

No Wade.... but as usual you knee jerk and then run. There where two posts on here from early in the game that stated "Pigs" and "F*#k" etc. They are now gone.

I am a solid six years of your waddling Flip Flopping. I can't go today, I just had a molar pulled 3 hours ago.

Go teach an art class would you.

But while you're Bullshetting, those two post may have been motivated by this behavior just this Saturday at the Minn State Fair...

Marchers chanted in unison, “Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon.”

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/08/30/black-lives-matter-chant-called-disgusting-by-police-leader/

[Click to View YouTube Video]


Edit:


Dean Gets it....


Obama and Sharpton commenting on the Ferguson incident before ANY investigation was in, only fueled the violence that resulted. And furthermore, after the Grand Jury proved that the Ferguson incident was self defense, there were no apologies from either Obama or Sharpton. In fact, Sharpton marched in NYC encouraging the murder of peace officers....and Obama did not shut him up.

Bottom line....Obama came to the defense of a thug who assaulted a Peace Officer and paid the price with his life.

Now a Peace Officer is executed.......EXECUTED!!!!........and Obama says nothing.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:48pm PT

Now a Peace Officer is executed.......EXECUTED!!!!........and Obama says nothing.

I suppose it might have something to do with the fact that random, evil acts of violence, ambushes, the like, are part of the recognized job hazards of being an LE.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 02:52pm PT
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places

Aug 31, 2015 - 02:48pm PT


I suppose it might have something to do with the fact that random, evil acts of violence, ambushes, the like, are part of the recognized job hazards of being an LE.

Once again thank you for justifying and condoning Officer Wilson's reaction when he felt threatened by the impending potential evil act of violence and ensuing ambush by Michael Brown thus defending himself from eventually being killed.

That btw is precisely what he stated when initially and then subsequently interviewed.

Thank you for agreeing with him.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:04pm PT
Sorry Dean but that can be applied to handful if not more of the usual suspects that have chimed in on this thread.

Especially those that have yet to exhibit an ounce of remorse for the Officer, his Family and the entire community that he served and loved him.

Those individual just continue to incite more hate towards LEO's and pathetic racism. All when I did nothing of the sort by posting this thread.

Mi Culpa for even thinking that more would see my post for what it was and NOT what they turned it into.

EDIT: I am very grateful for the few that actually did show their respect for this Fallen Hero and jest and intent of the OP.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:10pm PT
Dean, I would say that being a young, poor black man in the ghetto, subject to the militarized and rationally defensive police force probably does a whole lot more to
incite violent black men towards the kind of act that is this execution
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:14pm PT
okay Chief- My bad. I'll take your word for it on the "pigs" as I know your word is good. Sorry about the tooth (there's drugs for that) and the loss of your Comrade. I've not shown you or LEO's any disrespect, nor have I attempted to label or judge "you and your ilk." thought we were making progress on the communication front.
As far as "knee jerking and waddling and flip flopping" goes you know I've consistently been a smart ass, left-wing, art teaching, tree hugging, Socialist hippie from the beginning. No flipflopping. I respect people - Christians, cops, righties, rangers, fly fishermen, climbers, artists, etc. until I have a reason not to. Then I don't.
I think you'd agree that lot's of folks here have a skewed idea of "due respect." But I doubt many would agree on its definition. okay see ya on the lunker threads.
10b4me

Social climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
Cragman and Chief....you wear your prejudices like a scarlet letter. Don't worry...the black president will be out of office soon. Probably won't sit well with you guys if he's followed by a liberal woman.
For avowed Christians you guys don't seem to have much compassion, forgiveness or understanding of people different from you.
Stay tuned to Fox News and right wing radio for the real scoop.

Donini, incorrect statement in regard to Cragman. Dean has an adopted black daughter, and his future son in law is black.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:20pm PT


OK Chief, I'll lay the truth on ya. But you won't like it. I see it as apples and oranges.

1st) No officer should ever die like that. Ever. That the Rev Farrakan is calling for 10,000 warriors to do exactly that during the million man march this coming October is a horrific thing in my view. He's a chickenshit who wants others do do his dirty work, but won't step up himself and get his hands dirty.



When an officer kills a dark skin civilian in error. Almost all people of color relate as they have experienced or heard of tales of repression by the full weight of the authorities and traditionally they haven't been able to do a damned thing about it but suck it up and be angry. Very very angry. Anyone who has chosen otherwise has traditionally been slapped back down and beat back in place by a huge machine.

However, when the reverse occurs and a black man kills a cop, all cops do not feel threatened or oppressed. They haven't been sh#t on for over 400 years. They've been running the show. And they know that the full weight of the huge machine they are part and parcel of will soon start grinding to crush the miscreant along with the hard working/honest but "uppity" black guy who drives a mercedes (etc etc) like the out of step insect they are. That's the way the system works. As far as your question "where's the rioting and fires". From whom? The police will rage but they do it off camera. White people aren't going to step out of their quiet and excellent lives to suddenly break the law. No ones been shitting on white people and keeping them down for 400 years (with a few exceptions). White people near universally believe the police are there to help them. Blacks usually feel the reverse. I can't change the way blacks feel about getting sh#t on, they feel the way they feel based on what they see. What they see is different than what we see. I'm not saying it can't change, I have seen it getting better (mostly) with my own eyes in my lifetime.


GuapoVino

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:27pm PT
The reason there's no protest in this case is because there is no need FOR a protest. The appropriate actions that should be taken will be taken. The guy will be arrested, indicted, tried, then probably found guilty and punished.

The reasons for protests in other instances is because the people protesting (or some percentage of them) feel that what should be done is not being done, therefore they feel they have no other recourse but to push the issue by protesting. The disenfranchised protest, always have always will. It's how this country came to be. Every disenfranchised group in the history of this country has protested, sometimes aggressively.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:33pm PT
Speaking of renouncing reason. The revolutionary writer Thomas Paine wrote some other things too, in The Age of Reason

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turk church, or by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

"All institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:41pm PT
Do you guys love the Death Wish films as much as I do? Sort of like a fine wine - that you have to keep from shooting out your nostrils with laughter.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
However, when the reverse occurs and a black man kills a cop, all cops do not feel threatened or oppressed. They haven't been sh#t on for over 400 years. They've been running the show. And they know that the full weight of a huge machine will soon soon start grinding to crush the cop shooter along with the hard working but "uppity" black guy who drives a mercedes (etc etc) like the out of step insect they are. That's the way the system works. As far as your question "where's the rioting and fires". From whom? The police will rage but they do it off camera. White people aren't going to step out of their quiet and excellent lives to suddenly break the law. No ones been shitting on white people and keeping them down for 400 years (with a few exceptions). White people near universally believe the police are there to help them. Blacks usually feel differently. I can't change the way blacks feel about getting sh#t on, they feel the way they feel based on what they see. What they see is different than what we see. I'm not saying it can't change, I have seen it getting better (mostly) with my own eyes in my lifetime.

Odd.... You might want to inform the following "oppressed" feeling black people that:

Barack Obama
William Holder
Condoleezza Rice
Colin Powel
Jeh Johnson
Dr. Ben Carson
Sheriff David Clark(... who is a registered Democrat and ran four times as a Democrat and won unanimously all four elections. I will allow you to watch below and have him educate you and the rest here that know not one thing that they speak of regarding the Black Communtiy, about the truth, Couch.)

And so many many many others that rose above the bullshet you post from the depths of poverty and did something beneficial with their lives. REGARDLESS the circumstances you and the others keep pinning the Black Community down with.



Watch and learn something... all of you!

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
Hey Chief, tell us who to be outraged at and we will get right on it.

Can you see the difference between an institutionally sponsored execution and a lone deranged gunman execution. Just think about it for a minute.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:43pm PT
Nothing like Black People 101 from a white dude with a sore tooth and all those opioid receptors docked and unloading.

Didn't Cliven have a guest lecture spot here?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:47pm PT
Let's try this again...

A registered and elected Democrat from the Hood.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
overwatch

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:48pm PT
Cowboy,

I think that pic is from "The Mechanic"
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:51pm PT
The Chief points out that there is no rioting....no fires...in spite of this tragic and horrific event.

Agreed. And it is this way for 99.xx% of all homicides. It is the NORM.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:52pm PT
Just a Homocide now?

Not according to this "Expert"



A registered and elected Democrat from the "Projects" of Milwaukee...


[Click to View YouTube Video]
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 03:55pm PT
Good lord, you guys are stretching.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:01pm PT
So now you are stating that David C. Clarke, a black man from the poverty and crime riddled streets of the Projects in South Milwaukee, an elected Democrat Law Enforcement Official in the county of Milwaukee, is "Stretching"?


More.... Repeat "Stretch"

[Click to View YouTube Video]
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:03pm PT
Yes. So are you.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
Explain Why.. Dirtbag. If you can.




I know.. he doesn't sing your ignorant Lake Tahoe rich boy tune. Got it.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:09pm PT
You forgot the rest of it Locker... typical

Clarke has been elected three times to the Sheriff's office as a Democrat, despite not belonging to any party. This has spurred criticism from the local Democratic Party.[3]

Clarke explains his choic]e to run as a Democrat thusly on his website:
"Like me, most people question why the Office of Sheriff is a partisan election. I have never asked a person to vote for me because I run as a Democrat. I ask them to vote for me based on my 35-year commitment to keeping citizens safe. Most voters get it when it comes to public safety. There is no Democrat or Republican way to be a sheriff. The enemy is not the opposing party; the enemy is the criminal."[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._Clarke,_Jr

WOW... kinda what you wanted in the "America Party"

Nice try Locker.

Got Glue.


[Click to View YouTube Video]
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:12pm PT
The guy was deranged. How is that possibly Obamas fault? Who the fook knows what he heard?

You guys keep trotting out black guys, who you point out as being black, and then say "see, this prominent black fella says the same thing I am saying; therefore I am right."

It's not persuasive, and it's a strange way to make a point.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
Now a three time unanimously elected Sheriff from Milwaukee County is deranged.

This coming from old worn out climber dude from Lake Tahoe.

Priceless.

Born and raised in the City of Milwaukee, I played on the championship varsity basketball team at Marquette University High School. I went on to earn a degree in Criminal Justice Management from Concordia University Wisconsin, graduating summa c#m laude. As part of my ongoing educational studies, I also graduated from the prestigious FBI National Academy and the National Executive Institute in Quantico, Virginia.
Over the past three-and-a-half decades, my career in law enforcement has spanned multiple assignments. My journey of service began with the Milwaukee Police Department in 1978, where I helped protect the city for 11 years as a patrol officer on the streets. After promotion to Detective in 1989, I was assigned to the Homicide Division, investigating close to 100 homicides a year as part of a team and making arrests in over 80% of cases.

My leadership was recognized again in 1992, with a promotion to Lieutenant of Detectives, and in 1996, when I was promoted to the rank of Captain of Police, with assignments as Commander of the Crimes Against Property Division, the department’s First District (downtown), and the Intelligence Division.

In 2002, I won my first election as Sheriff with a margin of 64%. In 2006, I garnered 73% of the vote, proceeding to win 74% in 2010.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
Now a three time unanimously elected Sheriff from Milwaukee County is deranged

I didn't say the sheriff was deranged. The killer was deranged. That was not clear from context?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:23pm PT
Crap?

Nope... this one hits home and is deep. Read the first page.

The LEO that was executed is the Brother of the dude that saved my ass from a SKINNY RPG round going through my head in SHUTOWN.

First of all, My condolences on your loss. I think however you might want to read what I said again.




Hey Rick,

I thought you were over crap slinging fests like this one.

What are you doing starting this sh!t ..



I never referred to it as crap. I was simply pointing out the fact that this thread has evolved in typical st politico fashion. Monkeys slinging sh!t at each other.

You had to know when you started this thread with such a provocative title, the kind of reaction you would get.

A wise man once said

NWO and the rest of ya'll on BOTH "political" sides... All this negative beating the hell outta each other shet on all these stupidass worthless political threads just aint worth it. Trust me.


NOT one of you out there can do a damn thing to change any of the worthless crap you (and I played into and along with for a long time till recently) all keep posting threads on.

It is ALL going to be as it has, is and will be.

Applying YC's quote "It's not about catching fish. It's about the fish catching you" to many of your lives will truly free you from all the bullshet that does not need to be. Here on ST and throughout the world. I did and am living proof it works.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:25pm PT
Why is it Dirtbag that if a black man executes a LEO in cold blood from behind, he is deranged. But a young piece of shet white kid kills nine blacks and he is a ... "Racist".


BTW, the dude that executed my Shipmates Brother is a "banger" from the local hood. He wasn't deranged. He was on the hunt for a LEO to terminate/execute. Just like the piece of shet that executed the two young NYPD's last Christmas. Unless you now are going term all White, Black, Latino, Asian, Native etc Gang Bangers as deranged. Are you?


More "glue" remarks from Locker.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:34pm PT
What do you want from me chief? I don't know if this shooter is racist or not. I know nothing about his background. Maybe he hates whites: then sure, call him a racist. My description as "deranged" is based on this one terrible act.

The dude from charleston pretty clearly was a racist.

Is he racist? Honest question. I honesty have no idea.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:39pm PT
BTW, the dude that executed my Shipmates Brother is a "banger" from the local hood. He wasn't deranged. He was on the hunt for a LEO to terminate/execute. Just like the piece of shet that executed the two young NYPD's last Christmas. Unless you now are going term all White, Black, Latino, Asian, Native etc Gang Bangers as deranged. Are you?e

Chief, wtf are you babbling about?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
All black crime ends with the same thing, jail and then unemployable for the rest of their lives.

Just as it does for any White, Latino, Asian etc. Felon

BTW Fry, take a look at Colin Powell and Dr. Ben Carson's records when they were young punks in the Hood.


Cops kill blacks and then go back to work

Cops go back to work Craig Fry?

Really:

Officer Wilson... Nope. Exonerated and subsequently Dismissed from the local PD Force.

The Nine involved in Baltimore... Nope. On Admin Leave, Charged and Going to Trial for Neg Homocide

The Officer in Cleveland... Nope. Dismissed and awaiting possible charges for negligent homicide and dereliction of duty.

The Officer in S Carolina... Nope. Dismissed and subsequently arrested and charged with Murder.

The Two In Albuquerque ... Nope... Dismissed, Charged and Going to Trial for 2nd Deg Murder



Locker, No wonder your shoes are delaming. Fry stole your badass long lasting glue.

PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Aug 31, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
The reason why there were no riots is because the victim has a large support group that quickly caught the perp.

Also; when a government employee kills or harms an innocent civilian for no good reason and nothing is done about it(for decades) the appropriate action is civil disobedience.

Now get back in the hills and let the fish catch you! and thats an order!

monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2015 - 05:08pm PT
Since Donini and others have answered the question, how about The Chief and Cragman also answer the question.

Tell us why minorities riot when you think whites in the same situation wouldn't?
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 31, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
I see, the rioting was Obama's fault. Got it.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 05:59pm PT
So Dean - a sincere couple of questions.

I hear complaints related to this about Obama being of two variety. One that he said something. The other, that he did not say something. He has not (to date) said anything about this event and his lack of comment troubles you and others. He said something about the Trayvon Martin incident which has troubled you and others. (Other examples exist).

What do you want him (and future presidents) to do? Do you want them to comment on every event involving a homicide? Only events with certain types of victims? Only say particular things? What would make you happy?

edit: you note above by his saying something in the past, he "whipped criminals into a frenzy". So he's said nothing now so he's not whipping criminals into a frenzy. Shouldn't that make you happy then?

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
Well----always a deep subject.

After following most of the posts on this "spew-fest," I will agree that I feel bad for the fallen deputy, his friends & family. My condolences to all. And yes, I do have good friends that are cops.

Otherwise I see a whole lot of right-wing political-hating going on.

I just imagined the good Christ-loving Cragman, with pointed fangs, spittle flying, & fingers jabbing as he gets-off on hating Obama. He's right into Inquisition Christian thoughts.

Haters gotta hate, & I'm sorry for that.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:08pm PT
Your assumption is misplaced Dean. You know what I do for a living (I think). Maybe you see the things I publish regarding police and other CJ stuff. I doubt you've been to any talks I give that relate to the police, but if you did, you might read my comments with different assumptions. Maybe you know my brother is LEO in the Houston area and has been for decades. Maybe you know I work with LEO at the national level as well as state and local levels. Maybe not. It appears, but I'm happy to admit I'm wrong, that you are being mislead by particular assumptions about me that are erroneous.

But none of that matters really. You stated this:

Frankly, he should keep his mouth shut and let law enforcement do it's job.

You think he should keep his mouth shut. To date, about this event, he has kept his mouth shut. So why is he upsetting you about this event?

I would think someone who is educated like you could see this.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:11pm PT
He has kept his mouth shut when almost every black man was killed this year. Same as white victims.

I am more concerned about the victims, not what any politician has to say - regardless of their skin color.

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:11pm PT
I feel like your use of language may drive me to drink Dean.

Cheers!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
So Crankcase,

What's your take on Screwy Calypso Lewie?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
You people really are hell bent on twisting this entire thread to appease your "Blacks are o Oppressed and the Gov't can fix that" BS.

I posted the point the NON BLACK's DO NOT riot, burn their communities down nor do they loot their home grown neighborhood businesses when something of this nature occurs in their communities.

NOR, do they have individuals in religious leadership positions that show up in their communities after the fact to inflate and worsen the situation in order to promote their agenda.

Do you people realize the the Black Poverty has actually increased throughout the US during Obama's time in office. That children born without Fathers has almost doubled. AS has their unemployment rate, incarceration rate and the quality of or I should say the lack of education in those communities that has gotten worse. AND as I posted, all these dismal statistics that are fact, regardless how one "analyzes" them, are ALL mostly under a Democratic Black led local gov't.

So, cease promoting the WHITE OPPRESSER's BS for the last 6-10 years of the decline of conditions in the Inner City Black Communities.

You want to blame anyone for the decline in the Black Communities the past 6-8 years, look no further than the local and State Gov's. Then look to the Federal gov't for answers.

And Craig Fry, you claim Cops get away with murdering unarmed blacks, well look at the DOJ for their turning a blind eye to all these events the past 2,3,.....8 years. Where has William Holder and his DOJ been in all this since 2008? How many of these events have occurred under his blind and non action watch.
overwatch

climber
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
Tnt

that is some f*#king funny sh#t man.

freaking choking
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
So Cranckase hold in high regard a racist calling for mass murder and a race war.

But every one else is a racist?

You have to be a Democrat to be a Klansman.

It's in the bylaws.

No Blacks, Jews or Republicans.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
Cragman! Sorry but it's a little hard to reply, since some of your spittle made it onto my keyboard.

You are the one that is taking this thread way too seriously.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
This btw is what happens when people of all race and color gather to honor their fallen Comrades, Shipmates, Airmen and Marines and also protest the ineptness of the one gov't agency that is suppose to take care of you, not kill you after you have given your best in service.

1.2 Million Vets of ALL colors and ethnicity on Harley's descended on DC over the past Memorial Day Weekend in Honor of their fallen comrades and to Protest of the inept VA and how it's lack of action and accountability is killing Vets. Not one fire set. Not one Store looted. Not one Cop struck. Not One stone thrown. Not one disrespectful slogan or chant sung.


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The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 31, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID

Aug 31, 2015 - 06:38pm PT


You are the one that is taking this thread way too seriously

Yes I am Fritz.

This is why... Meet the executed Deputy and Brother of one my closest Shipmates and his Wife, 12 y/o Daughter and 5 Y/O Son.


Obviously HIS and his Families does not matter. Right "Fritz".

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