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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 14, 2015 - 10:17am PT
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I'm pretty sure a born Canadian is not going to be the next president. Especially one that doesn't believe in the job of governing but prefers to shut it down.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Aug 14, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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Ha! You can never, ever underestimate the stupidly of American voters. Cognitive dissonance is their middle name.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Aug 14, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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Wow. Private audience?
Susan
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 14, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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The next president will be one of these four people. Clinton, Bush, Biden, or Walker.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 14, 2015 - 10:29am PT
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Or Rubio. Bush is not looking very credible these days.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Aug 14, 2015 - 12:34pm PT
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And lost in all the hullaballu, the two best candidates (IMHO): Webb and Kasich
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 14, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
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If Cruz gets elected you'll need to get that shot blown up for your son. Bet that would be a memory he'll never forget. Much like when Robert Kennedys bodyguards roughed me up in 1968. Ethel Kennedy, his wife, saw it occur, took pity on me and gave me an autograph as the rest of the imperial procession paraded away.
MEMMORIESSSSSSSSSS ........ meh, I can't carry a tune.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 14, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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Kermit... don't forget kermit. Green party and all.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 14, 2015 - 01:00pm PT
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ElCap said it best...
"Ted Cruz..."do I like green eggs and ham?" I'd like them if you choke on them, you McCarthy look-a-like smarmy slimeball. Govt shutdown temper tantrum blowhard. Hated by both sides, including his own GOP colleagues in the Senate because he's a back stabbing as#@&%e. The kind of guy if you met on the street you'd either mistake for a huckster preacher, used car salesman, or grifter."
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 14, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
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The election is still a long way off, so I think it's way too early to pick the likely winners of nominations, much less elections.
While Cruz is obviously much closer to me ideologically than President Obama, both strike me as similar -- highly intelligent, but utterly unable to work with the opposition, or to bring divergent viewpoints together.
I'm more than ready for someone like Kasich. And even with her tendency toward criminal behavior, I'd vote for Hillary over several people seeking the Republican nomination. Rubio would have been a good republican possibility, but his extreme views on abortion make him unelectable. I do take issue with El Cap concerning Rubio's finances, though. The criticism amounts to saying he had to take out loans to get his education and buy a house. As a professional in debtor-creditor relations for 36 years, I'm always concerned with debt levels, but I'm more concerned with the purpose of the debt and the ability to repay. Rubio's debt was for true investment, and no one has alleged he defaulted on any of his debts.
John
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 14, 2015 - 01:42pm PT
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While Cruz is obviously much closer to me ideologically than President Obama, both strike me as similar -- highly intelligent, but utterly unable to work with the opposition, or to bring divergent viewpoints together.
You have got to be kidding.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 14, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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The criticism amounts to saying he had to take out loans to get his education and buy a house.
Nope. Keep trying. Guy has stolen from political funds to pay for his personal things like paving his driveway and was caught doing it, put his relatives on the payroll for doing essentially nothing, has about a zero net worth despite handout jobs making >$300k/yr and including an 800k advance on a book, blew 80k on a boat when he was already in tight financial situation, and even liquidated a retirement account for measely 60-someK. The guy is a poster boy for living beyond your means and making poor financial decisions (on top of the criminal ones).
Feel free to read more, this guy should have no place in any conversation about leadership, responsibility, economics, or budgets:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-finances-debt-loans-credit.html
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Slabby D
Trad climber
B'ham WA
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Aug 14, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
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Nice turnout. Looks like he got a whole 10 people to show up.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Aug 14, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
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Jody,
Cruz caters too much to (and is too out on) the far right to be a serious contender in a National election, but, he certainly has a strong and active base of support.
Regardless of what you think of him, meeting a national party candidate has to be pretty cool and a great experience for your son.
Being a bit left of center, a supporter of civil and women's rights, and one who takes the very real threat to our planet seriously, I could only hope that Cruz got the Republican nomination as he is completely un-electable.
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 14, 2015 - 03:55pm PT
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Jody said: "Cruz was very gracious in the time he spent visiting with my son before he offered me the chance to be his running mate."
Haha! Someone sounds like they were puffing on the pipe there:-) You accepted of course?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 14, 2015 - 04:53pm PT
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Jody...Si puede..! rj
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 14, 2015 - 05:16pm PT
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Thanks for putting on your thick skin and posting Jody.
I have to say Cruz really seems like closet case to me. The smooth puffy face. Just something feminine about him. And of course people with that belief system who have those predilections are often the most anti-gay and hate filled because of that conflict.
But politically I have the same problem with him as many on the far right and far left. This country was founded on freedom and compromise. It's supposed to work for everyone. All the way back to the Mayflower there were pilgrims but a good portion of the first settlers were just hired hands (soldiers, carpenters, etc.). The pilgrims and others got along, they didn't force their beliefs on the others and made rules that worked for everyone.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Aug 14, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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Droopy eyes, apparently a give away for extreme right wing wackiness
Our good buddy Cruz wants to "Shut er Down"
Shut down the evil Gubmint, what could be better!!! It's doing Bad things!!
We got SHUT ER DOWN to stop fetuses from being chopped up and sold for PROFIT!!!
Who needs the stinken gubmint anyway, Losers!!! Right!!
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Aug 14, 2015 - 06:10pm PT
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Cruz is el loco.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Aug 14, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
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earnest citizen discussing "the issues" with "the next President of the United States"
I indulged the thought, then chuckled a bit
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10b4me
Social climber
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Aug 14, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
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Cruz as president would be a huge disaster. Worse than Raygun, or bush.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 14, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
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Was he carrying legitimate papers? I hope you arrested him for pandering.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Aug 14, 2015 - 07:37pm PT
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Why is he hiding his birth Certificate
What does he have to hide?
Was he born in Kenya or CANADA?????
We have many questions..
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Aug 14, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
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That first picture deserves some dialogue bubbles.
"Did you know that Texas is the only state left where 1 in 5 adults still does not have health care? That is my favorite Lone Star state statistic."
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 14, 2015 - 11:22pm PT
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What a fun and memorable experience. Here in Ca, we rarely get to get this close to a candidate. Great pictures, was gracious of him to spend the time.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Aug 15, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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Rollover
climber
Gross Vegas
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Aug 15, 2015 - 10:09pm PT
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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Aug 16, 2015 - 08:23am PT
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Jody - that's cool that you and your son got to meet a contender for 2016. I got to meet Jimmy Carter a couple of weeks ago, and that was a thrill as well. I got to see Nixon, up close and personal, at a reception at the White House in 1970, and while I'd never vote for a Nixon now, it was still pretty cool.
Along with many others on this forum, it's hard to imagine someone like Cruz in the Oval Office. I find him to be pretty quick on his feet (as any good debater learns to be), but lacking in the kind of experience needed to face the national and global issues of the 21st century, and lacking in the kind of perspective that won't lead to increasing unnecessary bloodshed. I find his self-promotion a bit tough to take, and his self-touted accomplishments to be almost exclusively symbolic--and of appeal to a very narrow base.
But hey...you're a person of conviction, and I can appreciate that. Cool memory for you guys, even if I can't share the enthusiasm for the candidate.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 17, 2015 - 01:21pm PT
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Like all those who claim to be constitutionalists, he is nowhere close to that.
He is another one who simply is an advocate of HIS opinion of the constitution, failing to acknowledge that the constitution itself spells out who gets to interpret it......and it ain't a backbench Senator.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 17, 2015 - 01:24pm PT
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So Jody...why do you consider Cruz a viable choice for your vote?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 17, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
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So what are the current Vegas odds and who's taking book? I want to get in on this one,
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 17, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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Cruz so far has shown he's the only candidate with the balls to restore the Constitution and the rule of law, including the separation of powers and reining in the unelected fourth branch of government, The bureaucracy. He's eloquent, smart and principled. Alan Dershowitz praised him as the smartest student he ever had,so don't underestimate him.
With that said I don't think he has a chance.
You have the K street, Goldman Sachs bought and paid for Bush and Hillary duo with all the money behind them and the Donald and Bernie show that proves that we really do live in the days of Idiocracy.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Aug 17, 2015 - 03:10pm PT
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Cruz so far has shown he's the only candidate with the balls to restore the Constitution and the rule of law
Except for that pesky bit about the president being born a citizen, huh?
Orly Taitz, a leading and litigious member of what became known as the “birther” movement during Obama’s presidency, says she likes Cruz, but she probably will file a lawsuit if he becomes president without a federal judge declaring him natural born.
“I’m very consistent in what I’m saying: I’m saying there’s the same issue with Obama and Ted Cruz,” she says.
Taitz -- a Soviet-born dentist-turned-lawyer -- says two other prospective presidential candidates, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Gov. Bobby Jindal, R-La., may also be ineligible to be president as their parents were immigrants, which may make Rubio and Jindal dual citizens.
“Maybe those three candidates should stick together and file one legal action seeking declaratory relief,” she says.
Taitz appreciates Cruz’s sharp-elbowed approach to his fellow congressmen and to Obama and likes his tax plans, but says she believes "natural born citizen" means someone born without dual citizenship.
Republicans say the darndest things!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 17, 2015 - 03:25pm PT
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Separating the powers? How about the separation of church and state?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Aug 17, 2015 - 03:34pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 17, 2015 - 03:37pm PT
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^^^but at least it will be constutional!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 17, 2015 - 04:34pm PT
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And Barack Husein Obama will have financed WWIII with his nuke deal.
You really don't think Khomeini is going to start a GI bill for the Quds Force with those billions do you?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 17, 2015 - 05:00pm PT
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Let's be totally clear up front: it was republicans who decided to invest trillions in destabilizing the ME while perfecting asymmetric warfare.
And in fact, those investments have worked out so well for China and Iran that if you were really conspiratorially inclined you'd have to conclude W, Cheney and Rumsfeld were Chinese or Iranian agents.
With his political leanings, if TGT were Iranian, and surrounded on all sides by nuclear weapons states, he'd be a rabid proponent of a nuclear-armed Iran.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Aug 17, 2015 - 05:17pm PT
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baby, I'm always ready for the Boomstick!
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 17, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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TGT, that vid would be much funnier is at about 1:11 the dud had said : PREGNANT AGAIN!!! HOW THE HELL DOES THAT KEEP HAPPENIN'....LOL.
Check out George Friedmans riff (founder of Stratfor) on the Iraq war BTW. Turns out that the game we play as a country is much much deeper than most here imagine.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 17, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
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North Korea carried out a nuclear test in 2009, which resulted in seismic waves shown here in Seoul
Kung Pow, Chicken?
Neutron bomb North Korea and move Israel there.
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Stupid Merican
climber
Crankloon, OH
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Aug 26, 2015 - 06:33pm PT
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This guy right here - my kind of people!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 26, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
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STFU
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 17, 2015 - 09:17am PT
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I think we should have a Ted Cruz - Al Sharpton ticket!
Take the most delusional and one-sided of the far right and far left! Two peas in a pod.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 17, 2015 - 09:18am PT
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The guy is a nut.
1) wants gays killed
2) believes in God
3) wants to depart illegals.....how ironic
This guy is dangerous
Thankfully, he has no chance.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 17, 2015 - 09:28am PT
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Yep, Jody, he has an excellent shot of being the nominee.
But after that the road to the presidency becomes much more challenging for the Senator.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 17, 2015 - 09:39am PT
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His actions seem to match his words. As evidenced in the cnbc moderator/candidate debate, his mind is organized, focused, and the sharpest in the field.
I have yet to get past the fact that he is a lawyer and his wife worked for Goldman Sachs. Still, if he's nominated he would be vastly more preferable than the lying geriatric bags of wind representing the dems.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 17, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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I must admit I have a grudging admiration for him. He clerked for the Supreme Court and was an outstanding debater at Princeton, and this comes through in the ongoing Republican debates. Not sure I could vote for him, though.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 17, 2015 - 11:20am PT
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I'd vote for him Ted is the Closest thing to Jack Kemp's methodologies..
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 17, 2015 - 11:22am PT
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so Jody, you will support somone who wants gays killed?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 17, 2015 - 11:23am PT
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A guy with an audiographic memory and according to Dershowitz "the smartest student he ever had in a class" versus a semi senile hack would be painful to watch though.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Nov 17, 2015 - 11:23am PT
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At this point in time, I'm not sure who I'll vote for...as long as their last names aren't either Bush or Clinton. Very cool that Jody and his son did get to meet Cruz; one of my important memories as a (very much) younger man was meeting and shaking hands with John F. Kennedy while still a senator campaigning for the nomination. Yeah, I cast my first-ever vote for him. I was stationed in Germany when he was assassinated.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 17, 2015 - 11:34am PT
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I don't answer stupid questions.
no, you just don't answer any question. I suppose you support Kevin Swanson.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 17, 2015 - 02:10pm PT
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Damn, that's quite the statement that Swanson made:
"EARLIER this month, in Des Moines, the prominent home-schooling advocate and pastor Kevin Swanson again called for the punishment of homosexuality by death. To be clear, he added that the time for eliminating America’s gay population was “not yet” at hand. We must wait for the nation to embrace the one true religion, he suggested, and gay people must be allowed to repent and convert."
He made that statement at a conference where several other conservative candidates were scheduled to speak- the piece doesn't seem to state that Cruz specifically endorsed that view (not that I could infer, anyway), so there seems to be a guilt-by-association thing going on there. Of course, Cruz's past statements on LBGT's in America keep him in closer proximity to Swanson's view, no doubt.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 17, 2015 - 04:26pm PT
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Why would you bring you kid to a political event? Seems like you are trying to influence and indoctrinate him before he can make his own critical decisions. He will likely rebel and become a green party leader!
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 17, 2015 - 04:33pm PT
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+1 Jody
Remember these are the same clowns who back #blacklivesmatter and all their rhetoric...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 17, 2015 - 04:34pm PT
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Why would you bring you kid to a political event
Uh, to test his self-control and boredom tolerance? He looks old enough for
some decisions and it is highly debatable that voting is a critical one.
150 years ago he could well have been a naval midshipman preparing to go
into battle or even in command of a sloop.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 17, 2015 - 04:39pm PT
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Teach them how to critically think and then form their own conclusions. If I did take them to a political event it would to practice recognizing misinformation .
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 17, 2015 - 04:51pm PT
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radical terrorists
As distinct from imperial terrorists, good point
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 17, 2015 - 05:02pm PT
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Let's see, Ted's dad gives a speech for a wingnut so Ted's disqualified, but Hildebeast accepts tens of millions and is bought and paid for by the same people that ruthlessly execute gays and consider women one forth of a human being,
Talk about yer double standards!
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 17, 2015 - 05:04pm PT
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He's hated more by people in his own party who know what a jerk he is. He'll be around awhile, unfortunately, when he picks up the evangelical support that dumb-as-rocks Carson currently has.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 17, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
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He's hated by all the RINOs feeding at the same trough as Hildebeast.
I'd like to see him as VP and as Prez Protem of the Senate, Turtleneck McConnell's boss.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 17, 2015 - 05:08pm PT
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RINO = reasonable Republican, anathema to tea party extremists.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 17, 2015 - 05:10pm PT
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So advocating a government that lives within it's means and Constitutional limits is extreme?
Well I guess to a Marxist progressive it is.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 17, 2015 - 05:18pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 17, 2015 - 05:18pm PT
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well why not Ted Cruz?
why not any of the fine Republican candidates
why can't the Republican Party win the White House anyway?
why is it that the American people keep rejecting them for the Presidency anyway?
old white males dying off or something?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Nov 17, 2015 - 05:20pm PT
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bubbles..... we have a long way to go till election time.
Maybe after some of HC E'mails get posted, a few weeks before the election, things will look different....
Or she might have a stroke or something....
what difference does it matter at this point?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 17, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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Crankster, I asked Jody that question, up thread. He still hasn't answered.
Edit: no Jody, I would not support who supports radicals, or the killing of innocents.
See how easy that was? It's called an answer.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 17, 2015 - 07:20pm PT
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Edit: no Jody, I would not support who supports radicals, or the killing of innocents.
I guess that rules out you voting for Hildebeest then. since she is bought and paid for by the sheiks.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 17, 2015 - 07:53pm PT
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"Cruz recently appeared with Pastor Kevin Swanson, who has called for the death penalty for gay's.
Do you support this idea, Jody?"
Jody, I know you aren't going to answer that question because you'll say it's a stupid question, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't support it, anyway.
But I am curious as to how you throw a lot of support behind a candidate who agreed to appear at a conference where the keynote speaker made that kind of comment. Sure, maybe Cruz didn't know what Swanson was going to say, but after he said it, Cruz (and Huckabee, and Jindal) had a chance to separate themselves from it in some kind of statement. None of them did (far as I know). Is that significant to you in a candidate?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Nov 17, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
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Is that significant to you [Jody] in a candidate?
Probably. But maybe for reasons most of us would find to be reasons to vote against such a candidate.
And Jody, if I'm wrong, I apologize, but I believe you've stated some fairly strong anti-gay views here in the past.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 17, 2015 - 08:07pm PT
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Well, I suppose claiming ignorance at the event is a strategy.
Afterwards, though, when the transcripts are out, and it's all in the media, and the guy who said it (Swanson) hasn't refuted it in any way...well, then it becomes pretty clear that it actually happened. And that Cruz, Huckabee, and Jindal have an opportunity to separate themselves and clarify where they are at.
Or not. No doubt, they are hoping that the hyperbolic-ness of Swanson's statement stays pretty much on him, and doesn't splash their way. To make a statement would simply draw attention, and maybe increase the risk of complicity. So instead, they choose to slide their way backward, whistling and rolling their eyes into another direction.
Yeah, that's politicians for ya. They are who they are, but we get the choice of who to support.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 17, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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You know I do, and I understand your insinuation. This thread is about Cruz, though. Right?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 17, 2015 - 08:20pm PT
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It would sure be tough to be married to a really beautiful man like Cruz, wouldn't it?
Heh!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Nov 17, 2015 - 08:29pm PT
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Cruz will never be elected for a number of reasons.
There are not that many old white people left who don't have dementia.
Anyone under the age of 30 thinks he reminds them of that creepy "Uncle" who tried to feel them up when they were twelve.
Minority voters suspect he intends to have them rounded up and sent to camps.
History buffs can't help but picture him in a Brown Shirt screaming about "others".
Evangelicals are torn between him and Huckabee. In the end they will just write in Reverend Ike and punt.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 17, 2015 - 08:37pm PT
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Jody, I am not a partisan. I vote for the person who views are similar to mine, and who I think will do the best job as president.
Evading my question calls your character into question.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 17, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 17, 2015 - 09:21pm PT
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I think Cruz is a great candidate.
The only problem: he is not eligible to be President.
Not born in the US.
Father not US Citizen when Cruz born.
Was an actual Citizen of CANADA until about a year ago.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:49pm PT
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Jody's buddy wants to have a fist fight with Obama, now
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Didn't stop Obama.
oh come on Jody
you really as so damn stupid you don't believe Hawaii is one of the 50 US States?
or .....do you believe the Hawaii newspaper was paid off by the Nazi's to falsely
publish Obama's birth?
no, nobody is that stupid anymore, except you Jody, you that fuking stupid?
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apogee
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Nov 18, 2015 - 09:11pm PT
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Jody is a birther?
Never would have guessed that.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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I like sarcasm too, apogee
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John M
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Nov 18, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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Jody is trolling
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apogee
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:28am PT
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Jody's good with sarcasm, too!
And damn funny about it!
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Nov 19, 2015 - 12:21pm PT
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Regardless of one's political alignments, one cannot deny that Cruz is smart and accomplished.
Cruz graduated c#m laude from Princeton.
He won both the U.S. National Debating championship and the North American debating championship.
Cruz went on to Harvard Law School and graduated Magna C#m Laude.
He was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review and executive editor Of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy.
At Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz, hardly a right winger, said “Cruz was off –the-charts brilliant.”
Cruz went on to clerk for William Rehnquist, Chief Justice of The Supreme Court.
Cruz has authored 70 Supreme Court briefs, and argued nine cases before the Supreme Court.
Cruz has been named by American Lawyer magazine as one of the 50 Best Litigators under 45 in America, by The National Law Journal as one of the 50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America.
Regarding the citizenship thing, he is a US citizen, being born to a mother who was a citizen. He moved into the US at age 4, so he meets the 14 year residency requirement. Some argue that there is a difference between a “natural born citizen” and a citizen. Hmm…
edit: Gotta love the ST censor deal.
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HighDesertDJ
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Nov 19, 2015 - 12:24pm PT
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I don't get that .gif. Why does Rubio need a second chance?
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John M
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Nov 19, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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Is it just me, or does Cruz's bio sort of read like Obama's? That seems kind of ironic considering how much Obama was bashed. LIfe is such a crack up..
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 19, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
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Cruz's bio isn't the problem. It's what he believes.
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John M
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
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I know that Crankster. I'm laughing because his bio reads so much like Obama, whom the right hated on so intensely.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 19, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
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Is it just me, or does Cruz's bio sort of read like Obama's?
Umm... No.
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John M
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Nov 19, 2015 - 01:17pm PT
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no.. its not just me
Or
No.. it doesn't read like Obama's?
to me the parallels are.
Both attended High level law schools
Obama was brutalized for being an intellectual elitist.
both Junior Senators
Obama is attacked for supposedly being born out of the country.
Cruz actually was born out of the country.
I realize it isn't perfectly parallel. But the similarities are interesting to me.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 19, 2015 - 02:30pm PT
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First off, I'm not a Cruz guy. That being said...
I don't see any C#m Laudes or Magna C#m Laudes's on The President's resume.
I don't see him clerking for a Chief Justice.
I don't see him praised in The National Law Journal as one of the top 50 most influential minority lawyers.
I don't see any record of him arguing nine cases before the Supreme Court, or being Solicitor General of Texas, etc.
I don't really have a horse in this election yet, so my point here is just that portraying someone as stupid when they're not is a waste of time compared to arguing issues.
Of course if you really want to ridicule someone, how about Ben Carson. He's a creationist and believes the pyramids were built to store grain. He's the guy I can't believe anyone can take seriously.
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 02:42pm PT
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all true
however those listed were not: as President Obama was
Elected, by his fellow law students, President of the Harvard Law Review
pretty damn good, huh
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John M
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Nov 19, 2015 - 03:18pm PT
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I don't see any C#m Laudes or Magna C#m Laudes's on The President's resume.
So basically you are saying Cruz is smarter. If true, and I don't really doubt it, then why was Obama bashed by the right for being an intellectual elite, and Cruz isn't? Thats the kind of hypocrisy that I was kind of pointing at.
Just tired of the nonsense.
Why isn't the right up in arms that Cruz was born outside America? They certainly were about Obama, even after Obama proved he was born in America and its established that Cruz wasn't . I haven't seen a single person up in arms about Cruz being born outside the country.
Its just hypocrisy.
Swift boating nonsense that gets tiresome.
It would have been nice to have concentrated on real issues, but we spent a sh#t load of energy dealing with that nonsense.
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dirtbag
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Nov 19, 2015 - 03:46pm PT
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Why isn't the right up in arms that Cruz was born outside America? They certainly were about Obama, even after Obama proved he was born in America and its established that Cruz wasn't . I haven't seen a single person up in arms about Cruz being born outside the country.
Because Obama is black.
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John M
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Nov 19, 2015 - 04:11pm PT
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I would say thats part of it among some people, but to me its more just simply that he is liberal. John Kerry is white and he was swift boated.
Is there an example of this type thing being done by liberals to a conservative? I'm not trying to raise up liberals as some bastion of goodness. I'm just curious if someone has an example.
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dirtbag
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:02pm PT
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Kerry's treatment was different. The whole "born in Kenya" /not native bit were code words for "hey, he's black."
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spectreman
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:08pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
Nov 19, 2015 - 03:46pm PT
Why isn't the right up in arms that Cruz was born outside America? They certainly were about Obama, even after Obama proved he was born in America and its established that Cruz wasn't . I haven't seen a single person up in arms about Cruz being born outside the country.
Because Obama is black.
And all people who are ridiculing Dr. Ben Carson are only doing so because he is Black. There can't be any other possible reason. It is blatant racism I tell ya!!
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:19pm PT
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Now there's a point without a point.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:20pm PT
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If BHO was such a brilliant student, why are his records still sealed?
There was a black Republican last cycle that was "swiftboated" by the establishment ad the black buck rapist. (the libs and the RINOs had common cause)
Turns out that was all made up.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:22pm PT
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Who knows, and who besides you really "cares"?
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:35pm PT
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Is there an example of this type thing being done by liberals to a conservative?
The Nation was trying to smear Poppa Bush for bailing out of his flaming TBM. They claimed he should have stayed in the plane with his crew.
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Funk 29
Trad climber
Wallowa, OR
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:41pm PT
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Cruz is so well educated!
Love hearing that guy speak.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
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I think, TGT, that everyone's academic records are private.
Great answer dirtbag. If Dr. Ben is actually the nominee (fat chance) there is going to be a lot of internal gastric anxiety in quite a few of the, well, southern states. I've lived in Alabama and Florida (the worst) and know what I'm talking about. Ben is ...... a smart man but a moron. Cruz on the other hand is a smart man but a fascist; I have no desire to put my fate in the hands of mighty Ted - he won't like me and may have me sent to a 're-education' camp.
And as far as the 'natural born citizen' BS, Cruz is a natural born citizen of the US if his birth was registered with the American Embassy in Canada as an 'American born abroad'. I know this because I was and have that paper to prove it. Even though I was born in New Zealand I am an American by birth, because of my father, and a Kiwi, because of my mother. I hold both passports and can be president and am willing, in fact excited, to throw my candidacy into the ring. A PAC is at this moment being formed where you can send your money. I'll spend it wisely.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
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So exactly what are the "fascist" statements of Cruz?
The only fascist activities recently have been by Hildebeest's acolytes threatening comedians, and ivy league brownshirts.
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apogee
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
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For you, TGT:
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
So exactly what are the "fascist" statements of Cruz?
Well he has said that gays don't have the right to marry. What say you, Wendell?
Oh, and I hope you are better at answering than your cohort, Jody.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:59pm PT
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Two people of the same sex cannot marry, by the very definition of the word.
They can have the same legal rights, no problem with that, but marriage is about culturally insuring the stability of the family and raising children, not sexual preference.
Progs seem to be the ones obsessed with sexual definitions and the deconstruction of the concept of a family.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
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Well, TNT, you've stated your belief very clearly. However, as usual, you are on the wrong side of public opinion and history.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
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Us"Breeders" are more concerned that our grandchildren will not be bankrupted and enslaved by an increasingly oppressive and intusive government.
We could care less about your sexual proclivities.
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:21pm PT
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They can have the same legal rights, no problem with that,
Well, that's not the case. They don't have the same rights as domestic partners. Which is why two friends of mine wanted to get married.
We could care less about your sexual proclivities.
Then why do you care who marries who?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
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Actually, repubs seem to care a LOT about sex. What's with the ongoing attack on the right to use contraceptives? That's really where the whole anti-abortion thing is headed. The whole evangelical attack on one's ability to exercise some sort of control over whether one has children or not is motivated by a desire (ha!) to control others bodies and minds. I for one am getting pretty f*#king damned tired of others trying to tell us how to behave!!! Do what you want, believe what you want, but leave me and mine alone and don't expect us to conform to you distorted ideas. I won't ask you to conform to mine, distorted and perverted as they may be.
My wife told me that as a child, her parents belonged to some sort of 'church' that told little girls that they should pray to die before they were thirteen so that they could go to heaven before they were sinful. What they were really saying was that as soon as a girl had her period she was impure and would go to hell. Do people actually believe this sh#t? Yes, they do and to try and force that sort of bullshit on little children is awful and should send you to the deepest depths of hell, if it exists, which I doubt.
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HighDesertDJ
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:52pm PT
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TGT posted Two people of the same sex cannot marry, by the very definition of the word.
They can have the same legal rights, no problem with that, but marriage is about culturally insuring the stability of the family and raising children, not sexual preference.
So you're saying that if two people get married who do not wish to have children or are incapable of having children they are not married by the very definition of the word?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:59pm PT
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So, to be clear, if my daughter, who is gay, has a child and is married to another woman, you would support her right to be married, because that would "culturally insuring the stability of the family and raising children, not sexual preference"?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 19, 2015 - 08:05pm PT
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Carson is a neurosurgeon, there's no denying that. Must be an idiot-savant thing, much as happens with music.
Curt
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
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Carson is a neurosurgeon, there's no denying that. Must be an idiot-savant thing, much as happens with music.
... and in climbing? Not all skills are transferable...
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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Wendell, you need to take up your "can't marry" argument with the SCOTUS.
Back to more of cruz's delusions.
He has said that only a Christian should be president.
This is not a theocracy.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 19, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
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Back to more of cruz's delusions.
He has said that only a Christian should be president.
This is not a theocracy.
Got a link for this?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
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@ BJ. Question was to TGT. Sorry, when there are lots of posts it gets confusing.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 09:25pm PT
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BJ, thanks for the link. That's what I was looking for.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 06:54am PT
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Ted Cruz says he wants the government to hire FEDEX experts, and establish a human tracking system within the United States.
You can go online, and you can see where that (person) is at any time.
OOPS
That was Chris Christie, not Ted Cruz.
It's hard to tell Mr. J from Mr. K.
Those Republican candidates are fungible retards.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:08am PT
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Jerry Seinfeld is descended from Syrian immigrants. Tattoo his ass right now.
And, make Terry Hatcher show off her ass, on TV, to show her SYRUDEN tattoo.
Dig up Steve Jobs, crucify his corpse, and then burn Apple Corporation to the ground.
Go to Rome, and finally destroy the ancient ruins of Trajan's Market. Apollodorus of Damascus? Goddam Syrian!
Yeah, those Syrian bastards should all DIE
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:11am PT
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You guys are a riot!
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:18am PT
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Us"Breeders" are more concerned that our grandchildren will not be bankrupted and enslaved
Probably should have thought about that before having kids.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:21am PT
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Yep Jody, this is the time for Cruz to make a move, and gobble up supporters that Carson is losing.
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apogee
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:21am PT
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"New NBC poll shows Cruz tied with Carson in 2nd place at 18%."
With Trump at #1.
Says a lot about your Party's offerings, doesn't it?
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:22am PT
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Ted Cruz sezzzzzzzz:
The IRS code has more words than the Bible.
Very clever, that Ted Cruz. Now, it's my turn:
The Encyclopedia has more words than the Bible.
The Dictionary has more words than the Bible.
The English language has more words than the Bible.
Texas' orders for human execution have more words than the Bible.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:29am PT
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Atlas Shrugged has more words than the Bible.
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:38am PT
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Best post in this thread. Well put TGT.
Yes, as long as you ignore that it's factually wrong.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 08:11am PT
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There are more words in the IRS code than there are in the Bible -- and -- and not a one of them is as good
Ambiguity is a political asset, but Mr. Cruz' statement takes to a new level.
What is the intent of his statement, "not a one of them is as good"?
Translating Mr. Cruz's frontier gibberish to second grade English, we get:
"none of those words are as good as the other words."
By what criteria? Length of word? Difficulty of pronunciation? Magical power to effect tangible changes in the real world? Subjective bias towards an atavistic fixation on an ancient and arbitrary translation of Greek and Hebrew that favors 'Thee' and 'Thou', over 'You' and 'You'?
Does he mean that the IRS words are better, or the Bible words are better?
Ted Cruz is a half-trick pony, whose half-trick is to appeal to the emotions of semi-lucid, superstitious conservatives. Invoking the Bible as a better document than the IRS code is equivalent to a Muslim fanatic agitating for a world governed by Sharia law:
The Power of Koran Compels You.
Wasn't Cruz the guy who announced his candidacy at a private Christian college, where those who didn't attend the event were fined and penalized?
Or, was he the guy who paid actors $50 apiece to show up to his fancy NYC tower lobby announcement?
I get confused. I am unable to differentiate between fungible retard J and fungible retard K.
EDIT
Alan Dershowitz praised (Cruz) as the smartest student he ever had,so don't underestimate him.
Ted Kaczynski also went to Harvard, and was also praised for his outstanding intelligence. Alas, people underestimated his ability to affect society.
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