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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 22, 2014 - 09:17pm PT
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Truth is very painful to hear
That's why the cowardly simply ignore or deny it
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 22, 2014 - 09:18pm PT
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You are very welcome Ron. Come on, you must have found some amusement out of it, or did you watch the video?
Actually Ron, you posted two minutes after I did. Now, young man, you'd didn't watch the video did you? Now don't cheat, the school marm' is looking at you, you devil.
All I can say is that you stuff… dead things. ;-)
Safe climbing dude.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 22, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
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Let's see....The OP was at 6:11....Ron's post was at 6:13...the video is 3:15...
Nope...not a chance.
Thanks for the ammo, Ron!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 22, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
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You are completely buying in to the manufactured narrative.
All in all that's a good thing.
The longer the "progressive" Marxists stay mired in their illusion that they are just battling an invention of the evil Koch brothers the better.
The real formidable opponents are the Republican statists.
At least they are smart enough to recognize a genuine populist challenge.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 22, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
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Ill be dropping by sometime John Jacobs aka asspooogee..And im gonna love that.
oh, do tell more Ron...
so you will be going to where Apogee lives and you are going to love that..
tell us what you mean Ron, what are you planning on doing to Apogee when you get there?
and what is with you posting his real name on this public forum, Ron?
if he wanted his name known he would post it, you don't have any right to look up someone's personal identify on the internet and then "out" them
you also have no right to threaten, as you just did, anyone on this forum
Privacy and the right to protect identity is damn important to many people, Ron
so tell us what you are going to love doing to him when you get to where he lives
maybe "gut you like a Chinook" ? as you told him you would do earlier?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 22, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
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Now come on people. I meant this to be a fun and frivolous thread. Okay I targeted the said names in the thread head, but it was meant to be in humor.
Now behave yourselves or I will, I will, I will, nuke the thread, or at least take my ball home and you can all kick cans.
Lighten up guys, for me it is going on 2am. I am just having fun with people I have agreed with, sparred with or someday may even climb with.
But, I sort of do like Jan's lyrics, for better of for worse.
And yes, I am a left-wing ultra communist atheistic antarctic (is that how you spell anarchy or am I just freezing my ass of to get to Vinson Massif?).
Otherwise, remember for most of you I am one step ahead of you at least. Timewise.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 22, 2014 - 10:22pm PT
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Oh My......
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 22, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
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You don't know the half of it, Lynne.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:23am PT
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Jim, I don't mind.
Life is about doing the best you can, being the best you can be and supporting others so they too can live life to the fullest. If people don't measure up to our individual standards, well, perhaps we have a ways to go too.
My best friend says that the most important thing is to love one another, not tear them down. Much inner peace along with a lot of joy comes from doing just that.
Cheers on a beautiful Friday eve. lynnie
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:58am PT
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and what is with you posting his real name on this public forum, Ron?
if he wanted his name known he would post it, you don't have any right to look up someone's personal identify on the internet and then "out" them
That's bullshit Norton, and you know it. If you, or Apogee, or anyone, wants to banter and post silly stories under an assumed name, no one cares. But when you start calling people out on a personal basis -- as Apogee has done repeatedly with Ron -- then hiding behind an avatar is the worst form of cowardice.
If I want to call Ron out for polluting ninety percent of the threads on ST with thoughtless drivel, I'll do it as David Harris, not as "Ghost." For some gormless coward to do it while hiding behind mommy's skirts, as Apogee does, is to deserve to be outed. And you know this.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Mar 23, 2014 - 01:23am PT
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you guys need to do some house cleaning,
just make a list, then pray for the people on the list,
like this>
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 23, 2014 - 02:02am PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 23, 2014 - 02:13am PT
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TGT, I had lost all hope in things when the loser-in-chief was re-elected. I still think the whole f*#king thing had to have been rigged. I mean, how the hell do you get re-elected on a record that he had?
Really, I blame the media. They refuse to be honest about his failures, as they used to be with Bush. The bias is very telling.
The good news is that this has created an undercurrent of resentment towards establishment Gov't and the media. People are waking up, and they are angry.
The Tea Party, despite being marginalized by the media, is rising. We do not make headlines because they don't want us to. But look at local elections. Look at state-wide elections. Look at the power that Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Bobby Jindal wield.
Rand Paul got a standing ovation at UC Berkeley last week.
The truth has a certain power that people can understand and relate to. Rhetoric is getting old and rotten.
I'm not a big fan of the Republican party, I'm more personally identified as a conservative, so I tend to lean to Repubs. Right now the battle in the party is a healthy one. We are purging the establishment as#@&%es who just want gov't jobs, and replacing them with people who really respect the country, her people, and the Constitution.
People are waking up, Wendell. I see it. And there is hope, my brother!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Mar 23, 2014 - 06:19am PT
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I'm pretty sure we have a thread for this already.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Mar 23, 2014 - 08:21am PT
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Boy Ron,
You sure do love attention don't you?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 23, 2014 - 10:13am PT
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Well Chief you are an addled minded has been still marching drills in the attic wearing your now too tight uniform. My Nephew IS currently of that group of bad asses you love to portray as the only "real"Americans. What's your point.
And do you think Patrick gives a rat's rear end what you think?
He started a tongue in cheek thread that devolved into the usual junk fest. Why do you foist your disdain at Patrick? Is he like the rape victim who had it coming because of what they ore?
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mitchy
Trad climber
new england
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Mar 23, 2014 - 10:18am PT
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Chief, izzat you in the middle in the pic.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 23, 2014 - 10:37am PT
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I really thought that the likes of Pat Ament
It's NOT Pat Ament but Patrick who still lives in Ireland .....
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Mar 23, 2014 - 10:47am PT
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no it's not true, ekat.
chief is mildly delusional,
especially when he gets worked up
over something he believes strongly in.
it's alright, chief.
it can happen to anyone.
even werner.
i hear egg on your face is good for acne.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Mar 23, 2014 - 11:22am PT
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The Military is a socialist entity. They are civil servants with universal healthcare. Werner is a civil servant paid with federal taxes as are all NPS workers. Social work is what keeps helicopters doing rescues, ambulances on the roads and roads themselves. Most of you old meat sandwiches were twisted into believing in the New American Frontier and Individualist illusion. Without social policy you would just be victims.... Society took care of you every day of your life and will until you die. I suggest you start acknowledging your good fortune and quit biting the hand that feeds you.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 23, 2014 - 11:37am PT
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Right on cue. Chef
Just another what ever or who ever starting another stir up political bullshet hate thread.
I pertain to and am a very active member of this non-political affiliation. Makes the tea party look like some pre-school dirty diaper wearing outfit.
I do agree with you one hundred percent Chef, that US treatment of Vets is SHAMEFUL
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Mar 23, 2014 - 11:39am PT
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chief it is largely of convenience
that you tout your independence
and self-sufficiency;
it sounds so good and brave and proud
in your own ears;
but to the periphery spectators
it is clear that someday you will
need help.
backed into a corner, you'll be,
because, dammit you stood for freedom
and hands off me, all of your life.
but that hand'll start to raise,
and you'll push it back down,
cause, "only you take care of you;"
it'll raise again, like damn jesus
and you'll surrender and have
to swallow all the mean and senseless spew
that you drooled out over you life,
and some compassionate person will be there
at your side.
unlike damn jesus.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Mar 23, 2014 - 11:41am PT
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I made the Patrick Sawyer - Patrick Oliver mistake once too.
This thread is very entertaining.
A coward runs and avoids conflict.
What kind of person goes into a different kind of battle? To die at Kent State, to stand against the tanks in Tienamen Square?
Give me a gun and I'll shoot a bad guy in a heartbeat.
Show me a bad guy. I've never really met one or heard of another human so bad he needed killing. Not when sitting down and talking things out would do.
Yes I'm sure you have a list but if you think about it, things good have been worked out other ways.
An army of intelligent people with good communication skills and the ability to rationally work out problems will some day conquor the world.
Now bugs, that's another story. Where do I sign up for the Starship Troopers?
Good post Patrick. Nice frenzy going right on the first page.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 23, 2014 - 11:51am PT
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At first I thought having an anonymous avatar was part of the ground rules for being on supertopo..? I believe it adds a certain dimension of fun not knowing who is slinging the feces and trying to guess which climber is posting....Does having a real name change the ground rules for talking smack..?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Mar 23, 2014 - 11:56am PT
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too many fans,
not enough excrement.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
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RottingJ nails it. When I first entered this fray I too believed that the anonymous avatar was de riguer. Nearly everyone here (Chief included) has an avatar that is at least semi-anonymous. But I am constantly amazed at how many of the posters on the right hand of the political spectrum keep having to create multiple avatars to spew their unsubstantiated sputum
I just don't see the lefties doing that. They seem to be content with a single avatar and consistent perspectives. Chief doesnt acknowledge the anonymous righties who spew vitriol and anger when he condemns the lefties. Why are the rightie whities so cowardly.
For myself, I have never found it necessary to hide behind annonymity. I am comfortable with and secure in my opinions.
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mitchy
Trad climber
new england
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
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I like Chiefs sargent stripes carved in his hair.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
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The Tea Party, despite being marginalized by the media, is rising.
Delusional as always. If by "rising" you mean crashing and burning, then sure.
Monday, January 07, 2013
Views of the Tea Party movement are at their lowest point ever, with voters for the first time evenly divided when asked to match the views of the average Tea Party member against those of the average member of Congress. Only eight percent (8%) now say they are members of the Tea Party, down from a high of 24% in April 2010 just after passage of the national health care law.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only 30% of Likely U.S. Voters now have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party. Half (49%) of voters have an unfavorable view of the movement.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
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Personally I'm really freaked out about the identity of this Moab base jumper.
Me too.
Susan
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
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great video, TImid
and Ron, you are a prick for outing Apogee's private identity and then threatening to find him and "gut you like a Chinook"
so STFU and go stuff a hamster you POS racist dumbfuk
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:41pm PT
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It's the Teapublicans that refuse to fund the Veterans Administration. Responsible social policy would fix that but too many foxtards got uneducated when their leaders defunded education. They ain't got the sense god gave a goat. You can't eat bullets. In Switzerland they call the infantry "bullet-catchers." It's not a thinking man's job. Just do-or-die.
My name is Brook. I'm a dad. I climbed some. I taught some. I did a little TSAR. I'm a carpenter with thick callouses. I've lived in 6 countries on 3 continents; Some socialist some oligarchies. I speak more than just English. I'm a laborer and a business owner and a producer and a maker. I'm not hiding.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
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Only 1800-ish BASE numbers out there. It's almost a certainty that you end up knowing them, or they are friend of a friend.
35yo male. We'll know soon enough.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
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Coz...I love your sandbox analogy...Please stop leaving your soiled diaper in there...
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
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What Army are those guise in with hair and beards like that? Are they contractors?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 23, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
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It's the Teapublicans that refuse to fund the Veterans Administration.
You're wrong here. And conflating the 2 terms is to not understand what the Tea Party is about.
It was establishment Republicans that allowed for the defunding of the VA. Not tea-party associated conservatives.
And let's be clear, let's not leave out all of the Democrats who supported this thing. Apparently they get a pass?
EDIT: What Army are those guise in with hair and beards like that? Are they contractors?
Special Operators (Green Berets, Delta, SEALS) are given a wide berth to 'blend in' with the locals. Make the locals feel 'comfortable'.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 23, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
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I'm pretty sure we have a thread for this already.
HighDesertDJ, you mean the Jan Berry song or the mud slinging and name calling? I am confused. I searched ST and could not find a thread about The Universal Coward.
Stop confusing me. Now I have a headache.
And honestly, I started this thread out of fun, joviality, not to be caustic nor have it turn into a slanging match or fisticuffs or…
I should have known better by now, some nine years on ST. Mea culpa.
Pat Ament (aka Patrick Sawyer)....
I truly thought that you were waaaaaaaaaay above this kind of menial childish political bullshet.
Must be the fact that you are getting old and are bored.
Lost tons of respect for you on this one.
Redemption = Nuke this frkn useless thread.
The Chief, I am NOT Pat Ament, and by you writing that it is an insult to a man I admire.
Okay, I did not want to start the slugfest it turned into. I was just having a bit of fun early in the morning, hoping people would see… the humor I guess.
I certainly will make it a point not to start another thread along these lines. My mistake. But, I won't nuke it, I just won't make the same mistake again.
And how the hell Chief did you think I was Pat Ament? I have started some silly threads. Pat would never do that.
Weird.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 23, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
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Dave, I tell you what is meaningless, me thinking I can keep taking back moves in chess versus the computer, and then feeling empty when I win. ;-)
I still say the computer is rigged.
The Chief, I first joined Supertopo in 2005 as DPatrick, but after a month or so asked Chris to change it to Patrick Sawyer. Every forum I post on - Irish Times, BBC, CNN, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, SF Chronicle, UK Climbing, Climbing.ie, Mountain Project, Summit Post, Irish Sailing/ISA, etc - I always use my name, no avatar. I am real.
Maybe I should not post this image, but what do I care. But I am no sh*t stirrer or troll as such like you seem to think I am. Sometimes I like to have fun on forums, and I try to make it clear.
And I think you owe Pat Ament an apology for confusing him with me. He is a far better man, more mature and better climber than I could ever be. I used to lead 5.11, now I sh*t me pants following 5.8. Pat/Oliver could still out climb me. Blindfolded.
EDIT
I have to add, I am no angel or saint. I just try to do my best as a person, partner (climbing, scuba, sailing), journalist, actor, zoologist, writer, and especially a full-time carer for my fiancée, Jennnie. I have NEVER hurt or screwed anybody (banks and credit cards do not count). I like the Taco Stand. I have posted some pretty dumb things, and with one or two exceptions, I stand by them, even if they were stupid.
I will NOT nuke this thread Chief. I believe you were a Chief Warrant/Petty Officer(?) in the services. Fair play to you. I never served. But that does not make you a better human than I am.
When Jennie came out of two months hospital (August 2010), the doctors and social workers said "either State Care or home care (me)". My editor and a couple of others said to put her in State Care and have a life. I had well over €100,000/$140,000 in the bank or at my disposal (shares etc).
I opted to stick by Jen. I haven't sailed for over three years, the ice climbing in Scotland two winters ago, no go. Wanting to join (did some SAR in California in the 1970s as an EMT 1) Dublin-Wicklow Mountain Rescue or the Lifeboats - how can I take a 2am call in the morning and leave Jennie behind. I am her carer.
Again, I am no angel or saint but Chief, I do NOT need you judging me. I do that every day when I look in the mirror.
EDIT
How come passport photos and such make one look hideous? I used to be a handsome… okay hideous, they say picture don't lie.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 23, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
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I think Dave is missing the whole meaning of the Gadsden Flag.
It's a warning. Not an after-the-fact thing. Step on me and you will be 'bitten'.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 23, 2014 - 02:26pm PT
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Ya know what a metaphor is, Dave? Google it or something...
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 23, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
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Come on Bluey and Dave, there is enough "animosity" on this thread.
Yes, I am tempted to nuke it, but other people have taken their time to post.
Perhaps I should be the last post so this thread disappear into oblivion.
I was just trying to be lighthearted when I started it. Perhaps taking a sly but friendly dig at some, but nothing vicious or mean. I was hoping that would have been obvious. I guess I failed.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 23, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
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Bottom line, Patrick was just trolling, and probably should have done it on another thread.
Damn it Coz, I don't consider it a troll. I was just trying to have bit of fun and banter.
I will not make that mistake again.
My name is who I am. I'd nuke this thread but, that probably would not be the right thing to do. The right thing is to just not make this mistake again.
EDIT
I sent Chief a civil email trying to explain that I was not Pat Ament and that I was just trying to be frivolous.
He emailed me back saying that I should torch this thread. I am beginning to think…
What do you people think? Should I nuke or hope it dies a death down the pages?
Another EDIT (So I will not bump it)
Two emails say to nuke three say to keep.
I regret starting this thread, should I regret nuking it? Gawd, I have far more important things to do. Let's just have it die a death way, way down the pages.
That said, I will not nuke as I want eKat and others to know that The Chief was way off base thinking Pat Ament = Patrick Sawyer. I have always admired and like Kath.since C4 days, her email function is disabled, so keeping this thread alive may allow her and others I appreciate to know that I try and to be sincere and the The Chief should be put in the brig (ha ha, just kidding Chief) for his wild conjecture that the very mature Pat Ament is also the very immature Patrick Sawyer.
Shame on you Chief, no rum rations for you. ;-)
Now let's chill, all.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 23, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
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No regrets, let it ride.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 23, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
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its no different than any other thread that dissolves into rancidness
perhaps you are considering deleting simply because you as the OP CAN do it
just because you can doesn't mean you should
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 23, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
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It's disheartening to see how rapidly this thread degenerated into a cat fight and seriously questionable "outing".
How long did it take? 1st reply? 4th? 6th?
17 minutes?
Ahhh yes, the thoughtful consideration, analysis and reasoned debate of the World Wide Wasteland.
But enough of my own venting. Let's have a look at the quoted lyrics, which I presume were meant ironically (or sadly, perhaps not).
Oh, he just can't get it through his thick skull
Why the mighty USA
Has got to be a watchdog of the world
He'll see the USSR bury us from afar
And he'll never see the missiles being hurled
None of this has been true in the ensuing 45 years.
We have largely failed at attempts to be watchdog of the world. Starting of course with the contemporaneous Vietnam War which we now recognize as a terrible waste of national treasure and lives.
Remember the "Domino Theory"? Very possibly not.
"If South Vietnam falls to the Communists next will come Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, the Philippines maybe even Australia and India. We'll be DOOMED!"
Let's not get into Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya as we have no idea how they will ultimately turn out. Certainly not as rosily as we had hoped.
The Soviet Union collapsed from within and no missiles have been hurled. Although only by some very good luck and a few Americans and Soviets really hesitant to "push the button". Including the last days of the Cuban Missile Crisis when the Soviet sub B-59 2nd in command who vetoed the launch of a nuclear torpedo when they thought they were under attack from the US Navy.
As the conservative philosopher George Santayana most famously said:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 23, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
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Whatever, The Chief. So I guess we will not be swigging beers together, hey. You must be happy about that, not drinking with a low life like me.
I sent you an email and I said I want no qualms with you, and yet you want to continue to denigrate me. I am okay with that, now that I know what you are like.
Go smoke a joint, it may relax you.
And what the heck is this "Private Message" nonsense? I never did anything such thing unless that is what your email "posts" up. Sheesh, relax Chief.
And I posted up who I am, passport, ex-California drivers' license and Garda Immigration Card.
Both your handle here and your email back to me gives no clue who you are. Not that I really want to know or care. So who is the honest one, eh Chief? Are you the one hiding behind an avatar, a handle? I suppose for someone like you it may be handle, uh, handy, to hide yourself.
Relax, have a Bud. Don't get apoplexy.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 23, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
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Coz I emailed you but if you do not get it the email here is it:
Coz, what derogatory crap?
Okay I'll nuke the thread but some people say I shouldn't.
Take care, I do not want any fights. I do not know The Chief.
But I will bow to you in the fact that, yeah, maybe it wasn't the best thread to start. But…
I don't know if you would understand.
But again, what derogatory crap? Show me. The Chief was abusing me and I was trying to be civil.
Actually, no I will not nuke. If I am going to make a fool of myself, so be it.
And schoolboy? I wish I was that young.
I do not want any qualms with anybody. Period. Full stop.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 23, 2014 - 06:44pm PT
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don't delete this thread, Patrick, it serves a purpose
lots of friendships have been renewed....
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