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Ouch!

climber

Jul 12, 2006 - 03:42pm PT

caughtinside

Social climber

Davis, CA

Jul 12, 2006 - 03:45pm PT

It's true. There is a lot more 'gratification' in the non-climbing threads for those willing to wank in them.

Trashman

Trad climber

SLC

Jul 12, 2006 - 04:03pm PT

too bad supertaco.com is being squatted.

it would be great if someone would get a site like that and move all the OT sh#t over there. keep the front page clean, like yesterday. that way everyone could have their "campfire" and the obsessives could stay here and talk about nothing but climbing.

that said, never happen.

Que LEB and a long winded "Please tell me where i can find another site with people who discuss such interesting topic matter and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah . . . and i really think this young Yebo character was blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

scuffy b

climber

Chalet Neva-Care

Jul 12, 2006 - 04:10pm PT

I would have gotten a lot more climbing done over the years
if I didn't have to spend so much time hanging around people
who wanted to talk about climbing all the time.
If not for the "off-topic" posting here, this forum would be
Dead, Dead, Dead.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jul 12, 2006 - 04:13pm PT

Trashman, that has been suggested several times since I joined about a year ago. It seems to me that the general consensus, or at least majority, is that it is fine the way it is now, especially if people who start threads indicate in the thread head ™ that it is not about climbing.

But if Chris and company want to split it into different groups, I wouldn’t be against it, though I like it better the way it is now. Anyway, if it were to be split, I would be curious to see how many people who rail against the non-climbing posts visit the non-climbing section. More than one I would say.

Nefarius

Big Wall climber

Fresno, CA

Jul 12, 2006 - 04:19pm PT

That *IS* the case to begin with... Posters here *aren't* climbers... So, what's your point?

Trashman

Trad climber

SLC

Jul 12, 2006 - 04:24pm PT

Dingy, funny, i thought the same thing as i walked away from the computer.

Only a climber could hang out here for a year plus and still ask questions like "Does freeing the nose mean no rope? if so, i just lost a lot of respect . . . "

i kept trying to find a way that you could have missed that many clues, including a book aledgedly purchased and partially read. climber or not, i could do w/ out the posts by that avatar

G_Gnome

Social climber

Tendonitis City

Jul 12, 2006 - 05:14pm PT

Yeah, that or that person is quite stupid. I think it is a troll which actually makes it worse given the long windedness of said posts.

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Jul 12, 2006 - 05:50pm PT

I for one I still climb and boulder hard. Probably the hardest of said annoying posters.

Juan

G_Gnome

Social climber

Tendonitis City

Jul 12, 2006 - 06:32pm PT

Hey, I can vouch that Juan can still do 3 Pigs at Stoney! I know Rimjob and LEB can't climb that hard.

guyman

Trad climber

Moorpark, CA.

Jul 12, 2006 - 06:58pm PT

I saw Juan cranking at STONEY and he knows the "secret handshake"....

But we are all climbers, no?

What supertaco needs is a personal section. With things like:

Belayer, looking for qualified rope gun, to go for the B and Y next tuesday. I'm a SWCC and don't wish to get over my head. Can do double rope or single??! Yours or mine? Three way is OK if 3rd can lead. PM to PO box 4456. You won't be sorry.

Locker...the non climbers stick out like ...well non climbers. Sort of like when turons get lost in C4, you can tell who they are.

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Jul 12, 2006 - 07:47pm PT

Guyman,

I talked to you last night at Stoney.

You know who I am?

Juan

guyman

Trad climber

Moorpark, CA.

Jul 12, 2006 - 07:50pm PT

Yes. The word is out.

Mimi

Trad climber

Seattle

Jul 12, 2006 - 07:56pm PT

Not that my opinion matters, but I don't quite understand why a non-climber would join these threads. Maybe they dig the climbing scene. There are a multitude of forums out there for everyone's interests so go figure. I visit this site to check out the climbing news and pics. The non-climbing stuff is campfire entertainment.

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Jul 12, 2006 - 08:04pm PT

Hey Fattrad, Looks like WWIII is starting over in the Middle East!

crotch

climber

Jul 12, 2006 - 11:39pm PT

"PERIOD". Man, that's a different world you grew up in LEB. When was the tampon invented?

JOEY.F

Trad climber

sebastopol

Jul 12, 2006 - 11:46pm PT

Does getting ones ass up the west side of Mt. Sill from Palaside basin count as "climbing"?
Joey.F

JAK

climber

Central NC

Jul 12, 2006 - 11:51pm PT

Honestly?

I don't think it'd be much different.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 12, 2006 - 11:51pm PT

Aunt Flo??? I used that to get out of gym class too.

LEB = DMT - Janet the PTPP ex + 80% Jaybro the birthday boy = T*R

edit / side note: I've heard it called "red tide" in boating circles.

crotch

climber

Jul 12, 2006 - 11:56pm PT

T*R - I've got that info filed away on a 3x5 card, right behind the one that explains how long it takes corn to go from one end of the alimentary canal to the other.

LEB - My surprise isn't at the terminology, but rather the act of having to publicly announce that it is that time of the month. Were PE classes coed?

If only I could have gotten out of running laps by announcing "boner" back in 8th grade.

JAK

climber

Central NC

Jul 12, 2006 - 11:58pm PT

If only I could have gotten out of running laps by announcing "boner" back in 8th grade.

Your gym shorts usually did it for you anyway.

Wonder

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 12:01am PT

So how DOES one get back into climbing when you havent done so since 1984?

Wonder

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 12:15am PT

Talk about thread drift!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wonder

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 12:15am PT

Talk about thread drift!!!!!!!!!!!!

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 12:25am PT

First rule of period club... nobody talks about period club.

Wonder

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 12:27am PT

Im just being Facetious Leb, I love thread drift.

But lets change the subject.

Slakkey

Trad climber

From a Quiet Place by the Lake

Jul 13, 2006 - 12:28am PT

LEB,

Woman or Man its all cool. Your stuff can be a bit long winded but, like Tarbuster said, I like chatting with you. Climber or non Climber. Its all good.
Whoever taught you how to write was someone who knew their stuff.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:08am PT

"What if posters on ST were not Climbers???"

If so, we'd usually never know. The non-climbers can happily post away on the non-climbing threads (the majority, even allowing for drift and highjacking), under the wonderful loopy pen names (some rude) that people use, and "we'd" never know. As long as "they" stay away from climbing threads, or learn enough to cover their tracks, that's that.

Still, it doesn't take long to get a pretty good idea of which noms de plume are climbers, and which don't.

I agree with Patrick - the header for every posting should enable readers to easily get an idea of what it really is about. (Though sometimes the originator's name is a pretty good clue...) That's simple good manners.

I like the variety of contributors and subjects on the ST forum. (I don't have much experience on other forums.) Climber-talk in and of itself gets a bit dull after a while, as even adolescent males discover. Even those reminiscing about the golden past. IMHO, climbers need to get better involved in civil society, and perhaps forums such as ST are part of that. Climbing is lots of fun to yak about, but there are lots of other things going on in the world that are important. If we can sometimes talk about how climbing fits into that larger world, all the better. Climbers no longer inhabit an island that no one else has any interest in, and tunnel vision isn't a great survival strategy.

A diversity of opinions and perspectives are often a good thing, though sometimes a bit more respect and tolerance might help. Most of the questions worth discussing are complex and don't have simple answers.

Anders

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:18am PT

That above is the genius of LEB. Using all that softy woman stuff to throw off DMT. What is weird is that DMT = LEB, so the loop of madness is complete.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:21am PT

I believe Lois may be recommending the judicious use of Occam's Razor. A device that may have applications elsewhere in ST land.

Anders

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:27am PT

but he likes to get a rise out of me

See!?!?!! NO wonder he is crazy. That is such a man thing to say.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:30am PT

Would that be your life as a man? or your caring internet huggy feely life as a woman?

C'mon DMT... just tell us it is you. All is forgiven.

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:35am PT

Warning their be dragons!

Abandon all hope, you have entered the SUPERTOPO!

Wonder

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:37am PT

we are drifting .............................

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:41am PT

Correcto El DMT: Rimjob was going on about how he "got a rise" (hydraulic style) at the robot olympics or some other nonsense. Idiom or??????????????

Wait, am I responding to DMT or LEB? I guess both would be the correct answer.

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:43am PT

Serenity Now, Serenity Now, Serenity Now!

Wonder

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:44am PT

Leb dont let the trollers hook you

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:48am PT

LEB please.... I know plenty of secrets about the cavens of mystery..... and I'm a guy (usually). Don't make me go all ectopic or drone on about endometriosis on ya. I'm a vas deferens man to the core, but I know about these things that go cramp in the night.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:53am PT

I have a #2 pencil.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 02:00am PT

Seriously LEB... I want to compliment you on your blog:

http://www.drkodos.blogspot.com/

Very interesting. You too DMT; nice job with it.

crotch

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 02:11am PT

Russ:

Question #1 - In 8th grade gym class, if noone ever said "period" to get out of showering, the locker room would look like a

A) Butcher Shop
B) Slaughterhouse
C) Murder Scene

Wonder

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 02:16am PT

russ, are you the king, do you know more, send.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 02:16am PT

Richard is an extraordinarily intelligent man - much more so than I am

Ah Ha!!! Just the slip I was looking for.... I think you just copped to being a man.

Scotland Yard is now off to bed.

EDIT Locker Style:

you just said "balance my checking account".
If that is not proof that you are a man, then nothing is.... a woman might as well try and dance on saturn as balance a check book... check mate!

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Jul 13, 2006 - 02:30am PT

I want you to make sure all the patients take their Thorazine tonight! Did you get that.

Anastasia

Trad climber

Near a mountain, CA

Jul 13, 2006 - 02:31am PT

I am a woman and do climb.
I also share places like Stoney, Joshua Tree and Yosemite with non-climbers. Since the majority of these non-climbers are enjoying being there as much as I, they are great to have around. I think this forum is similar. Non-climbers are the ones watching us, cheering us on and laughing at our antics. If you can appreciate us crazy climbers, I welcome you. I think non-climbers are an essential part of the climbing community. I know many of you have supported us despite our ignorance of it's positive influence.

Anyway, I did the period thing too. I hated P.E. because I was teased for being under developed. I didn't have anything to justify wearing a bra. I kept forgetting to wear a training bra for aesthetics and suffered being teased for my lack of womanhood.
Luckily I was just a late bloomer with a bang. Then... I still did the period thing because I hated to run for my chest was all sensitive from growing. Being a woman has it's moments. Thanks for reminding me of it with your post, the memories are making me laugh.
I also agree that we as a group are more intelligent then others, though sometimes I wonder about how accurate my view of this is since I am assuredly bias.
"Bump!"

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 13, 2006 - 04:01am PT

OK, an impression I always had was that LEB posted more like a west coaster than an east coaster... so I wrote a spider to check a few posting habits. I selected Juan, a known westie, TradisGood (TiG), a known eastie, and LEB, putatively an eastie... ploting the frequency of posts per hour during the day yields:

You can see that TiG is about 3 hour ahead, posting in the morning around 3-4am PST (6-7am EST), then again around lunch time, then off to bed some time around 10 to 11 pm EST...

The same thing happens with Juan... except he is delayed 3 hours with respect to TiG because of the 3 hour delay east to west...

Now LEB looks more like Juan then TiG, which was my impression....

This could be the statistics of small numbers... I haven't corrected for weekends/weekdays and I didn't do daylight savings corrections... and I could have gotten it all wrong.

Anyway, just something interesting to ponder...

Edit: I added my post frequency, I live in Livermore, which is the west coast... you may have to reload this page to get the updated file in your cache...

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 13, 2006 - 08:14am PT

Ed, LOL. Why didn't you do LEB and DMT? It could be that LEB really is a woman, and DMT is a woman pretending to be a man. They troll each other often enough that it could just be an attempt at misdirection.

When I post under my westie alias, I try to keep the time zones in mind. Though sometimes I slip up and post under the wrong alias.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jul 13, 2006 - 08:39am PT

Except TradIsGood, while I have never met Dingus, I believe there are those on this forum who have and can testify that he is who he says, and also some of his threads/posts/photos such as the climbs at Donnells Reservoir shows that he is both a man and a climber.

So I will take him at his word.

LEB, I am not to sure about. But it never struck me that Dingus and Lois are the same person.

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Jul 13, 2006 - 09:39am PT

LEB is not a troll. That's what makes her so diabolically effective.

Here's a little irony from Lois lifted from this classic thread of the past

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=81864

Lois: "I have trouble following your posts because they are so complex and long. You are obviously a very intelligent man who can put forth and process a great deal of information in a very short time. I for one cannot follow something that long and that complex without printing it out and studying it in detail to analyze what you are saying.

I think it would be better if you could take one point maybe two at a time in a post and then we can all analyze and comment on what you are saying. I believe you are covering too much ground in one post and people get discouraged before they can finish everything you are saying. Can you try to post one or two important points and then we can look at that. Sometimes when you are a very intelligent, analytical person, you have to bring it down a notch or two so that everyone else can follow.

....Now it is true that I have not been reading your posts carefully but in my own defense, KBD, they are sooo....oooo long. It is hard to read and digest as much as you offer however interesting and enlightening it might be. I think if you offered some of these ideas in smaller packages I might get more of it. You have to remember, I work anywhere from 14-18 hours a day, almost every day. I use this forum as a little mental escape when I am on my computer (and I must admit it is getting a bit addictive and taking away far more time from my work then I imagined.) While I am shifting through the ever mountainous piles of work I must do, I sneak a way here and there to the url (which is minimized on my task tray) to see what is being posted. When I see the long posts you put up I say, "Oh S___, I can't deal with this now, I have too much work to do - I'll have to come back to this later" And later never comes because the amount of information you put up is overwhelming

Why can you have shorter posts and not put so much information into any one of them. We have all the time in the world - I am ever at this damn computer trying to get all my work done. I am not going anywhere. You don't have to tell me so much all at once - I can't process that much at one time and still get all my work done. I have more work than should be given to one person but that is just the way it is and it is not likely to change in the near future. "

Seems like she's found more time to share

Peace

Karl

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 13, 2006 - 11:38am PT

hey, I never said anything about a troll...

I chose avatars that I had a reasonable guess as to where they posted from, coast wise. When I put my post frequency up, it is "west coast" also (I'll do it later, I have to get to work now).

A person's choice of avatar, and the story built around the avatar, is their own creation. For some reason it seems important that there is no deception involved when posting to a Forum such as this one... or at least the same amount of truth stretching that one might find in person. As a climbing community, we migh know or learn of each other through our journeys... for the non-climbers, we may never meet them. Because they expend resource (that resouce being time to respond) it is normal to want that to be meaningful, that is, we are responding to a real person. It is strange to me, since a forum is disembodied... and the ongoing script is worth something independent of the identity of the authors.

Anyway, my post was just a strange statistical musing... take it or leave it.

I do not accuse anyone of anything here, nor do I judge.

"just the facts, mam"

Trashman

Trad climber

SLC

Jul 13, 2006 - 11:56am PT

classic, biggest beef with some of these bandwidth hogs(and the reason i'm constantly having to go back through the top 3 pages to find climbing content i've posted on in the last few days)

90% of that^ post could have been carried out in an email. it's simple, go to hotmail, get an account, and quit cluttering up the front page w/ this crap.

yes, i know, i just bumped it again, but i'm hoping some day this "very intelligent individual" will learn to use their email account

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 13, 2006 - 12:01pm PT

The reason I am always evasive with LEB is that "she" still does not know that "she" and I are the same. I have told "her" before that we are the same, but "she" firmly does not want to believe it. Answering "her" questions might just be too disturbing.

Trashman

Trad climber

SLC

Jul 13, 2006 - 12:43pm PT

the ones that are slipping to page 2 are only a few hours old. it's just that the non climbers post more frequently. again, how many of these conversations could be taken to email.

due to the dirth of interesing threads on the fp at the moment, i've been searching for some older ones i haven't seen in a while. the last search i did was "favorite wall pic's" and the top 3 results were you asking various inane questions in climbing threads. of the first 25 results about half involved you either as an OP or having a side conversation in the thread.

b/c we don't have an advanced search function here, i can't type NOT LEB into the query, so i can't even exclude your responses from the results.

this spider conversation is the perfect example, why can't you hit the email link rather than the reply link if it has nothing to do with supertopo? in the time you've spent asking ed for info on this thread alone, i'm sure you could have put together a well thought out email and googled "spider, searching, software" and gotten much more information.

edit: the query was "favorite walls" don't want this to turn into a semantic issue.

Teth

climber

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Jul 13, 2006 - 01:26pm PT

LEB:

I have to take issue with your premiss that climbers are the type of people who enjoyed gym class. Weather the games were too structured for their anarchical mind set, or they were just scrawny weaklings like me, I suspect most climbers will admit to not caring much for gym. You do not have to be an athlete to climb; climbing will make you an athlete. If you (general “you”, not you in particular) are carrying too much weight, then start on slab (slab = too steep to walk up, but far less than vertical. Most of your weight is still on your feet and your arms only keep you from sliding or tipping over.) Climbers are just another group of nerds and geeks; it is the climbing which make us look the way we do.

On a related subject, has anyone been in a climbing gym and watched a body builder try to climb? It has got to be one of the most entertaining and satisfying things you can do in a gym. To make it more fun, wait until they collapse in exhaustion or declare how hard it is, then walk over an casually do laps on whatever they were attempting. It is particularly funny if you look like the type of scrawny little man who they would kick sand on at the beach. Actually, it is even more entertaining if a woman does laps on the problem which just spanked them! My wife like to do that. Big egos also are fun to toy with, and body builders usually have big egos.

But back to Leb: The best indication of your gender is the speed at which you type. (Although I suppose there are some men who could keep up.) I can’t even read your posts as fast as you can type them, but then I am dyslexic and don’t read that fast.

Teth

Teth

climber

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Jul 13, 2006 - 02:43pm PT

Leb:

I suppose that it a fascinating subject, although 98% of the people on this forum would have taken that as self-evident. Here is a related observation you may find interesting. Most of these strong wiry men tend to develop larger more impressive looking muscles when they get older and start losing muscle density.

Regarding non-climbing topics, I think there should be a General forum and a Climbing forum. People read these forums for two reasons: 1) to obtain climbing related information, and 2) to waste time with general discussions with their peer group. (I use the term “waste” to main “for entertainment value rather than substance”.) I came here to gather climbing information, and although I have gotten caught up in a couple of these non climbing discussion, I have not yet found a climbing thread. It is a bit frustrating! I am sure all the intelligent climbers you so love to talk to would still visit and post in the General thread, but at least we would be able to find the climbing threads more easily. The fact that new threads slip off the front page in less than 24 hours seems like a big problem to me, particularly if it involves a climbing related question or observation, which gets buried so quickly that the experts may never see it.

Teth

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 13, 2006 - 03:01pm PT

Well, I googled "Lois E. Brenneman", and guess what? There's lots and lots of stuff on the web under that name. All entirely consistent with her identity as a middle-aged nursing instructor living on the east side. None of the hits are climbing related, except ST posts. If LEB in fact posts under her own name, and some other alias, it's a pretty elaborate setup. Even given popular interest in conspiracy theories, why bother?

I too am quite fascinated by the spider business. I understand the concept, but the implementation seems mysterious.

Lois: It seems unlikely that 98% of the people on ST are climbers. No way of tracking visitors and lurkers (Ed: can you make a spider do that?), or in any case of knowing anything about people unless they divulge. I'd guess a majority, maybe 80%+. Not 98%.

Teth: There are lots of climbing threads - over half the headers on the current first page are climbing related, some with 100 or more posts.

Anders

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 13, 2006 - 03:25pm PT

I updated the graph to show my posting history too... I'll add others later.

I probably won't add all of you... there is still some stuff I have to do by hand which makes it a bit of work (but I'll probably rewrite the output format in the Perl script to minimize the hand crafting).

Spiders don't seem so exotic to me. However, I live and think of a world that is not anthro-centric; people are mostly irrelevant to the universe I am trying to understand, and the tools I use extend our normal senses so that something can be learned beyond our native senses.

The simple spider I have written has essentially three elements. The first is the ability to go out on the web in a prescribed manner to look at web pages, down load them as a text stream; this is the input stage. The second has the ability to search that string of characters looking for the information I have specified. The third is to format the found information in a manner that I can use, say in a spread sheet, that is output.

Once written, the spider executes from my computer the command sequences, obtains, collects and formats the information for me, which I then analyze, sometimes using a utility like MSExcel.

There are a number of languages to write spiders in, I use Perl, but that it is by no means the best or easiest, or most powerful... I just speak it.

The whole process is just computer programming... which I have been doing for close to 40 years.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 13, 2006 - 03:27pm PT

LEB I will address some of the other questions later, I do have work to do...
and you see by my post history that I mostly post in the morning before work and in the evening after D goes to bed.

Ouch!

climber

Jul 13, 2006 - 03:29pm PT

Russ + Shack + Jody - DMT = Zero 0uch.

d-know

Trad climber

electric lady land

Jul 13, 2006 - 07:30pm PT

leb=locker.

it's the perfect disguise.

genius=idiot.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 13, 2006 - 11:01pm PT

Ed,

What do yuo mean spyders are programs? I do not no very much about pro-gramming. Can one write said programs with eight legs that can walk around on a web. I would like to write one that could tesst my troll-hypothesis question as it purtains to identies. How much would I have to learn to due this?

I think you mentioned that you speek pearl. I think pearls are great for necklaces. But I think that you must mean some other kind. Where can I learn about your type of perils?

Can these spiders figure out who trolls are or the reel name of posters? Can said posters counter said webs by imposturization. Is it harder to learn then teaching would-be future nurses?

Lois

PS. Russ, a #2 pencil will not help. Besides I fear you would cheat on the test, because I believe that you may have a close relationship with someone named Sue - not a boy, either.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 13, 2006 - 11:52pm PT

Now Lois, there you go again. Asking questions that you know that I won't answer. So why do you even ask?

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 13, 2006 - 11:58pm PT

TIG + Booze = Rimjob

For the record: I don't cheat

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 14, 2006 - 12:02am PT

Janet,
You should ask some of those guys over in the Slab Climbing thread. Hear they are all wearing them these days.

G_Gnome

Social climber

Tendonitis City

Jul 14, 2006 - 12:12am PT

Careful there Russ, I will sick Bolton on your ass. And you know that at times you have been heavier than any of us ever get. What we need are canes man, and nurses, in pretty french maid costumes, to help us get around in our old age.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 14, 2006 - 12:17am PT

Busted by Shorty!!!

Too bad I won't be out with the boys this weekend in Whitney... I think Bolton is lactating anyway.

Was on crutches and a cane last week and my nurse is coming in tomorrow... what else do I need???

Edit: just saw this part..... And you know that at times you have been heavier than any of us ever get.
Are you calling 5'9" and 216 heavy????? I've been told I carry it well though... and I have big bones.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 14, 2006 - 01:08am PT

"Her "style" of entering a new group is so classically female. She is a bit timid but she is overall quite friendly and she takes "small steps" choosing her words carefully. That *screams* "female."

-That's what I did when I first came here...

..Good God, I Am Lois!

That's why she didn't wish me a happy b-day. I'm no longer miffed.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 14, 2006 - 01:14am PT

Big Pants?

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 14, 2006 - 01:17am PT

...this is a wierd thread... even for me.

Spiders, web crawlers, bots, etc... are a class of programs designed to extract information from the web.

Think of the web as an interconnection of disks which extend your own computer's disks, then a web crawler, or spider, is just a utility that searches the disks for something you have specified. Various systems (Mac OS, Windows, etc) have these local search utilities, a web browser is another sort of search, a spider is something more elaborate, and may involve higher level functions in terms of processing the information and presenting in a somewhat different form.

A spider I have been thinking of writing would go out and get the images from the Awahnee Meadows web cam and store them so that I can make time lapse movies of Yosemite Valley. I was thinking of doing this for a whole year... one image every 2 minutes, 525,600 images, at 40 frames per second that's a 3.7 hour movie... probably would like to have some editing.

Anyway, there is a lot of people interested in writing these sorts of things, and many clever applications created in a number of computer languages. But you need to be able to grok the languages. A way which makes this accessible is to provide a graphical interface with a number of options, a "Chinese menu" sort of thing (one from column A, etc..)

Such a utility exists if you have Java on your machine (which you probably do)... check out the URL: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rcm/websphinx/ I haven't used this but it looks like it might be fun. There are many links, some of which have to do with "robot ethics"... however, many links are stale...

There are other resources, this one from Sun about using Java: http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/ThirdParty/WebCrawler/

A Google search will get you lots of hits which you can browse through and see what makes sense to you... doing a Google Scholar search will show you that the academic aspects of bot research is active, though this body of work may be a bit arcane, sounds like you wanta have fun rather than get all intellectual about it... but a nice paper from 1995 gives you an idea of just how good predicting this sort of thing is (not very) http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/etzioni/papers/ieee-expert.pdf

LEB, did you read the Wikipedia entry on bots? did you follow the links? it is really quite informative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler

You also asked: "Ed, I think we need you here. How can we set up tests to definitively prove who is NOT who - the null hypothesis as it were? Obviously, just like in "real" science we can never prove that something *is* true just set up a p-value which is impressive enough to warrant said conclusion. Can "spiders" be employed to test null hypotheses concerning identities here? Would we have to do, instead, a qualitative analysis? Please advise and PLEASE talk more about spiders. "

I had addressed this in a rather oblique way once before. The question is essentially a variant of the "Turing test", perhaps even more complicated since we are assuming that the avatar is a real person, just assuming an identity. It would be difficult to prove this using a statistical test, though the bot could be written to do something like this.

I might be able to write one watching your activities on the net, for instance, it would have to be rather complex. But you leave trails behind, and those trails could be sensed and some analysis might arrive at a hypothesis. This would be horrendously time consuming, and ultimately of little real value. The discovery being just an ego trip, as is writing an avatar with a fictional personal history to obtain particular response from a group of people...

...I prefer to take the posts at "face value" and pick which I will respond to in terms of interacting with the larger community. Then the actual source of the question or idea or conversation is really irrelvant.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 14, 2006 - 01:27am PT

LEB, I was just joshing with you, but thanks, I do appreciate that.

Turing, spiders, can black I.C.E. be far behind?

T*R, I didn't like PE either. I only became athletic (in the limited sense that I ever was) after it ceased to be compulsory.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 14, 2006 - 01:41am PT

Sometimes you need a dictionary to understand Jaybro, try this one

why does the porridge bird lay his eggs in the air? I dunno, maybe you can ask Dr. Memory...

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 14, 2006 - 02:38am PT

Ed- that one is now book marked. But, I have another riddle, I think it's originally from Alice in wonderland, but it was also in Twin Peaks, and I've avoided googling;

"How is a Raven Like a Writing desk?"

I suspect there is no answer and it is one of those (One hand clapping) zen master bonks your head with a bamboo stick things.

Lois, that riddle ( and the other ones I alluded to) is in the revered tradition of the 'Mini- Mystery' popular around campfires and in such traditonal ritual areas as; "The caf," and the 'four diseases" ( I'm going for a pg rating, folks)

The way it works is that questioners can ask 'yes or no' answerable questions about the situations and eventually decipher the riddle.

I cannot give you the answer. The fish knows the answer, and gave some strong hints couched in playful, innate nastiness. It's not perverse in the way he said.

On a more somber note though, it was interesting what you said about birthday greetings. I have no problem saying Happy B-day to most anyone, but when those posts come up about people dying, I agonize over what is an approppriate response, especially if i didn't know the person. I want to say the right thing, but really worry about how it's going to sound, weird, eh? But kinda like what you were saying.

"5.9, 216"

Mr T, in his prime, was 5.10 217

EDIT™ There is a phrase dictionary called --"There is a word for that."

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 14, 2006 - 02:40am PT

I pity the fool that is 5.9 216

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Jul 14, 2006 - 02:59am PT

Look I do like the patients messing up their rooms. MAKE SURE THEY TAKE THEIR THORAZINE!!!!!

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 14, 2006 - 12:07pm PT

added Tarbuster, Happiegrrrl and Dingus to the plot..
my simple analysis is that TB is about an hour ahead of the westies, he's in mountain time, and Happie is a late riser/poster, but still a couple of hours ahead.

Dingus posts in the morning and keeps his evenings STF free, good on him!

LEB, you are amazingly west coast in your posting habits, I could do a K-S test, but common sense says it's so

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 14, 2006 - 03:19pm PT

last bit, added Crimpergirl and Locker... Crimpie gets up early in St. Lois which is central time I believe, and Locker doesn't get going 'till late, in fact, he is the anti-Dingus...

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

St. Louis

Jul 14, 2006 - 03:56pm PT

Ed:

I really love the figure you generated. And you are correct, I am in the Central Time Zone.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 14, 2006 - 04:41pm PT

Fascinating...........

I've lurked as long as DMT has posted, my points of trigonometry are some guys from comp.sys.unix, DMT, Lord Slime and Brutus from rec.climbing. I've navigated far points of the internet, fought flame wars on death sites at the outer known limits of the 8-byte ascii char set. Yet I return here and am adrift....... cut loose from my foundations. What does DMT see here in LEB that I don't see?

I download LEB's posts, syntactically break them down, data mine, pattern match, seek hidden messages, there is nothing there...... yet DMT and all his years is unsettled, it's like watching the devil reflected in an antique piece of pewter, what is it, damm you Dingus!

Then like a diamond bullet through the brain it hits me....., there is a geographic connection, there is a temporal association.

DMT and LEB were lovers, LEB was scorned by a youtful Dingus, the stage was set, the cards were dealt. LEB has searched this world inside out to haunt this man, to make him acknowledge his wrong doing.

Ladies and gentlemen, stand back, this is personal.........

Whadya think, am I getting warm?

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 15, 2006 - 01:16am PT

Well, it took about ten seconds, but the monkey's paw story is quite famous. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey's_Paw

Perhaps it is the story you remember?

Anders

ps My old nom de plume will continue working, but only in threads to which I'd already posted under it. Otherwise, the Mighty Hiker will be it.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 15, 2006 - 01:49am PT

LEB - I only said you had west coast habits.. the tone of your post seems to assume I am questioning your identity; not what I said at all.

There is no theorem or proof regarding whether or not an identity can be verified by statistical means. Within just the universe of the STForum it would be hard to do. However, much of what we talk about here exists in the real world, the climbing that is, and so we get to understand each other through these shared experiences.

I have met many of the SuperTopians, sometimes through the Forum.. so I can vouche for their existence, and they mine. If we never meet, or never meet someone who has met us, then we cannot know who you are, really, except through what you represent here on the Forum.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 15, 2006 - 03:06am PT

There was a tale told of a man with a claw for a hand who escaped from jail, he was last seen in these very woods ....

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 15, 2006 - 07:57am PT

I have one hand that is claw-like.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 15, 2006 - 01:47pm PT

I'm koo koo for human oddities.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 15, 2006 - 04:05pm PT

Jeeze LEB, why would you assume it has always been that way?

Jeeze locker, when are you going to kill this mutant thread? I was hoping you would follow through with your bumb thret.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 15, 2006 - 04:22pm PT

Monkeys are climbers, aren't they? And if you put 1,000 monkeys in front of computers for 1,000 years, they might not produce the complete works of William Shakespeare - but there's a good chance they'd produce something like...

I'd never heard the monkey's paw story before, despite a misspent youth hearing scary stories around the fire at scouts and camp. My guess is that it's like all the very best horror stories - it suggests, then leaves it up to the reader's imagination. And what we individually imagine is often pretty lurid.

Anders

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 15, 2006 - 04:57pm PT

My favorite verision of 'The Monkey's Paw is Laurie Anderson's on Strange Angels. All of the feelings, awe, and atmosphere, while leaving the details to you own imagination.

Trying to recollect the claw story.

"Everyone comes to the freak show, but nobody smiles when they leave." -The Residents, from Freak Show.

Jay-backfromboulderingareyouguysgonnspendallofthis100ºdaystuck in frontofamonitormaybethereAreworseideas-bro

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 15, 2006 - 08:42pm PT

locker - the online equivalent of a cat in a microwave oven.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 16, 2006 - 05:06pm PT

any cooler today? it's (selectively) sub 100 in NorCal.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 16, 2006 - 05:14pm PT

Hello LEB

Today I climbed, I stretched my old body between wide gritstone breaks, the sun shone on my back, I remembered the strength and suppleness of my youth, later we bouldered, I grappled with holds determined to spit me off and I pondered the nature of Lois. I am hooked, I've not seen your kind before......

Now to business, I would bet the shirt off my back on DMT's instincts and yet LEB you flatter, charm and soothe me, like a lecturer marking my essay, you talk of 'insight' and 'theory' yet I feel like a small child being rocked back to sleep after waking from a nightmare - 'there, there sleep little person, all will be safe'.

Lois, your processors are lightening fast, your databanks are packed with the minutiae of a female's life, your grammatical ruleset produces posts of poise, insight and intelligence of the human condition and yet......

What is it that flares old Dingus's nostrils and sets his hackles so? Just as the T2 outstriped the T1 in technological prowess they were both easily detected by a good 'ole guard dog.

Captain Hartouni is down and taken, his posts are no longer reliable, I fear those perl spider returned with a deadly payload and did for him, Perl is no answer to your technology.

You swat my first guess away, so far from the 'mark', yet you imply there is a 'mark' to be closer to....

One day Lois, one of your data addresses will smash the stack guard, your thread control cache will become corrupted, you shared memory will lock a trillion zeros and ones frozen in silicon. You will freeze mid post, 'zombied' by the O/S, your resources marked out for the 'garbage collectors'

LEB.trl -s supertopo.com

will be no more.

That evening 'ole Dingus will get extra meat in his bowl and a few more of those crunchy biscuits he loves, maybe even a saucer of sweet milky tea. When it's dark he'll take himself out back and make his way up that low, long hill and howl at the moon till dawn.

locker - i do apoligize, I have failed to answer you question. I have no problem with non-climbers posting here, if they are interesting and challenging I think we as climber should listen and challenge ourselves to formulate our answers. Respect them yet uphold our own crede.

This is an excellent forum, may I stay around for a while?

-John

Richard

Trad climber

Bend, OR.

Jul 16, 2006 - 05:52pm PT

A larger percentage of climbers probably lurk and DON'T post on this site, compared to non climbers who do!

there's you 200th locker

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 16, 2006 - 06:02pm PT

201, I didn't get it either, Lois

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 16, 2006 - 09:30pm PT

Locker: What if the climbers on ST were not posters? Then we'd really be in trouble.

I believe the magic number is actually 666, not 400 or 200. Though 222 has a nice ring to it.

Anders

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 16, 2006 - 10:22pm PT

Happy birthday Janet!
it's all good, no matter if you are a climber or not.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 16, 2006 - 11:19pm PT

Happy birthday Janet! There is more to life than climbing, but not everbody can put up with climbers!

Was John X building to a punchline that didn't come?

I'm sure soemone will wade in on the Yabo thread, Lois, at this point I'll defer to those that knew him better than I did. Watch your email.

I don't think it was that great a day for climbing here in the west if you weren't in the mtns. 100º+ in the Bay Area, that's hot for here, They predicted the same in Yosemite (just means you gotta know where to go)114º in palm springs, etc. I presume most of those Josh-oids have AC, don't know how locker does it!

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 17, 2006 - 01:01am PT

LEB - you know I'm such a sucker for this sort of question... but I will resist until I complete two important things I have due this next week.

The following weekend I expect to spend climbing, and the week after that the Red Sox are in town... and I'm at the games.

I'll try to fit it in, but don't expect anything before August.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 17, 2006 - 04:31am PT

Aw come on Lois, I was just pulling your chain!

I was playing with an idea that you were a computer program running on a machine out there on the internet, a very sophisticated program, yet I fear I have disturbed you, knocked you off kilter as it were. I am sorry, you are no troll, but where has that 'ole dog Dingus gone?

I find forums fascinating, in such an info sparse medium, every letter, space or capitalization counts. We all haemorrhage information about ourselves all the time with every keystroke we make - that is why trolling is quite hard.

I accept my homework assignment, I shall read the Yabo thread(of whom I have heard) and report back shortly.

Sorry my last post confused you, I spent too long thinking about it and it got a bit out of hand, amazing tho' isn't it, both my posts together were a total of 3461 bytes(that's miniscule). I was initially adrift, yet in that tiny amount of data our positions became reversed.

Speak later

-John

Jaybro wrote:

Was John X building to a punchline that didn't come?

No, just rambling.....

Wonder

climber

Jul 17, 2006 - 05:22am PT

Ed, I had alot of respect for yo till yous answered to being a Red Sox fan. Yous now @ the end of the line.

Janet, Yous a cancer? mines the 14th. Happy B Day Girl.

Cheers.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

St. Louis

Jul 17, 2006 - 08:30am PT

A belated Happy Birthday to you Janet. I was asleep when you posted that last night. It was my mom's birthday as well so that makes it extra special!

wootles

climber

Gamma Quadrant

Jul 17, 2006 - 11:55am PT

Ed,

I don't know if it is possible without a huge amount of effort and time but I think it would be really cool to see a total number of key strokes per user along with the average number of key strokes per post.

Some posts are quick and to the point while others seem to drone on endlessly.

426

Sport climber

Buzzard Point, TN

Jul 17, 2006 - 03:29pm PT

I got it.

You had to watch Outfoxed for the answer...

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 17, 2006 - 05:05pm PT

LEB wrote:

If you say you are from the UK, so be it. I didn't realize there was alot of climbing there but then what do I know about climbing.

Johnx01 : There are some minor crags in the UK

LEB wrote:

One thing I will say is that you are likely to be 50+ or at least rapidly approaching 50.

Johnx01 : The latter, your medical knowledge is impeccable

The 'Yabo' Thread, you were going fine till you started all that multidimensional psycho babble nonsense, you know Lois I took you for a lady of science, I saw lab coat, short cropped hair, smart but casual, one inch heels maybe. After that little outburst I see cheesecloth tops, sensible shoes, bibbed jeans, tree-hugging, crystals and chanting. I bet you've even got a dream catcher hanging on your porch.

You make a fanciful speculation where no empirical evidence exists, this does not become a scientist.

Rockjox: Right on the money, I suspect she is a little affronted with me for my impertinence, but if this angle has been explored before I could understand that.

Locker: Mate you need to get some help, I mean I'm getting concerned about you, you maybe need some therapy or something, you just don't seem...... well happy with yourself.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 17, 2006 - 07:43pm PT

"My patients do NOT have to choose either/or when they see me."

That suggested a scene in my compost-like mind.

-Hi I'm Lois, I will be your nurse practioner today, would you like a medical or a metaphysical diagnosis?

Just joking.

d-know

Trad climber

electric lady land

Jul 17, 2006 - 07:53pm PT

lois of the long wind,

have you ever been to electric lady land?

d-know

Trad climber

electric lady land

Jul 17, 2006 - 08:22pm PT

just checkin'. thought u might be a square, but thats coo, at least yer a thinkin' square.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 17, 2006 - 11:00pm PT

Jesus H. Christ. I was wondering what was going on in this thread and took a peak. Yikes!

Two questions can now be resolved:

1. DMT == Juan. There is no doubt. You won't find a forum where both of them do not post. This goes back to at least 1999.

2. Lois is a bugfix-release version of the Eugene Maya AI program.

Hope you had a nice birthday, Janet. Whoever you are...

Jacob

Trad climber

yucca valley california

Jul 17, 2006 - 11:16pm PT

ive heard myth's about this locker guy, i always thought they were just urban ledgends between the josh crowd but now i know they are ALL true!! he is a crude, perverted, potty mouthed old man that has never climbed in his life and only use's it as a excuse to talk to people on the corner of circle k to get them home to see his huge "rack". ive never seen it in person but from those who have and have told the stories, locker is a 3 foot tall leprechaun that eats babies and molests dogs. this must be the biggest non climber on st of all.

please post with caution, "locker" will track you down and show up at your local circle k hunting climbers. youve been warned

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 17, 2006 - 11:52pm PT

Lois, of course DMT and Juan are the same. Has anyone here ever seen them climbing together? No.

I knew you were an AI program early on. Remember the website that could tell if the writer was male or female? Your writing sample was male, and all good coders are male. Sealed the deal.

Slakkey

Trad climber

From a Quiet Place by the Lake

Jul 18, 2006 - 12:09am PT

This Thread is way too long. Sorry I got bored.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 18, 2006 - 12:13am PT

Are you being serious?

Serious as a heart attack! I always wondered when they'd upgrade Eugene from that old Usenet program to something more sophisticated, capable of handling the new html forums.

TTFN.

Slakkey

Trad climber

From a Quiet Place by the Lake

Jul 18, 2006 - 12:19am PT

TTFN = TATA for now

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 18, 2006 - 12:30am PT

TTFN = Ta Ta For Now.

Of course I'm skirting your questions. That's how this place works.

Jacob

Trad climber

yucca valley

Jul 18, 2006 - 01:36am PT

the world may never know

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 18, 2006 - 08:31am PT

The aircon hummed in the reception room of the LEB Suite in the Glen Gardener County Hospital, Dr Lois read the case notes carefully.

He'd been brought in bound and gagged by two guys in a pick-up truck, the nurse thought there names were Wuss Ralling and Dingus Cheesecake, but it appeared to be quite a confused situation.

That was four days ago, since then he'd been tied to a bed in his 'tighty whities' in the foetal position, babbling incomprehensibly.

The intercom buzzed, it was Janet, her clipped Canadian accent announced she was on her way up with the patient. Dr Lois stood up and stepped round the front of her desk.

All her years of practice could not have prepared her for this, Janet stepped into the room holding the long bony hand of a dwarfish, sinewy, 'gollum' like figure with wide staring eyes. Their eyes locked as she spoke "Hello Locker, I'm Lois it's so nice to meet you". A wave of terror washed over his face, his eyes rolled and a ruvulet of spittal leaked from the corner of his mouth and down his chin.

No normal medicine could treat this 'creature', she lead him out to her ceremonial teepee in the grounds of the GGCH. Like an animal she tethered him to the shamanic totem and stepped into the tent. Humming to herself she unbuttoned her floral dress and let it drop to the floor, she scooped something from a clay jar near the fire pit and started to smear her body with bear fat. After rubbing cold ashes into the fat, she commenced the mystic painting of her body, finally she kicked off her sandals and slipped on her psychic elk skin moccasins, she picked up her shamanic drum and stepped out into the sunlight as 'Long Winded Dear' Shaman of the Shushoni, magical healer, warrior of the other world, she started to beat her drum and dance around poor old Locker.

Three days and three nights she fought those demons, when it was over she slept for 48 hours solid and was woken by a nurse telling her that Locker had just made his first post on SuperTaco, it was commenting on a slight mis-spelling in another post, it was polite and grammatically correct, she
smiled to herself at a job well done.

Over the next week Locker's post grew in content and volume, people were amazed at the transformation, carefully thought out theories on climbing ethics, a discourse on Ancient Greek attitudes to the State. She did not post, just read and wondered at her patient's progress. Ten days later she had just finished reading Locker's last post(2 Gigabytes) on Metaphysical Bouldering, a tightly woven and carefully argued treatise on Bouldering and American Foreign Policy, she could resist no longer, she logged onto ST and posted..............

Author:
LEB
climber
From: Glen Gardner

Locker,

What an interesting theory WHHHHHAAAAAYYYYYYY ta GO DDDUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuDDDDEE(????????)

HAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HAHAHA AHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HAHAHA AHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HAHAHA AHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this mutha can outpOst ANYONE!!!

Lois

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 18, 2006 - 08:55am PT

where's the flamethrower?

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 18, 2006 - 10:20am PT

"LIFE! DO YOU HEAR ME?! GIVE MY CREATION... LIFE!!!"

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 18, 2006 - 11:15am PT

Johnx01 just won whatever little contest you children are having here.

He gets the blue ribbon,the gold star, and the trophy will be retired.

That was too funny.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 18, 2006 - 11:30am PT

Geez,
We've all been quite busy here, eh?

Ed: nice spiders from mars. did we play it left hand and play it too far? correct me here.

Janet: Happy belated Birth Day!

Russ: 215 huggable pounds, all the more of you for us to love I'm sure.

John: welcome to the fracas. i'm sure Lois admires your wavy mirror as much as the rest of us!
(no shyte dirt, outstanding fresh drool i agree).

JayBrah: we are all Strange Angels, with our natty little monkey paws gently caressing the filigree'd triggers of our sputtery little flamethrowers.

LEB: no worries, i suspect we only have so many Yabo srories in us after all.

Carry on Locker, er, I mean, Slowly Back Away from the Delete Button and put the edit down...
(at the bottom, per usual).

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 18, 2006 - 02:23pm PT

locker

Please don't read this thread it's last rights just yet, I've had an idea!

666 here we come bro'

If you guys could squeeze 333 by COB tonight it's in the bag!

Trust me

john

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 18, 2006 - 02:26pm PT

Oh yeah Lois

I promise I won't tease you again on this thread.

Get posting!

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 18, 2006 - 05:27pm PT

Only 399 to go. Ooops, 398.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 18, 2006 - 06:35pm PT

Janet - you're getting the hang of this now aren't you! Fantastic.

Lois - I went out bouldering tonight and the thread count was at 268, when I came in it was 265, when I read you're thread it was 267 - I suspect there are dark forces working here. I also think you would go to extraordinary lengths if you cared for someone, well maybe not locker but you know what I mean.

It is hellish hot in the UK at the moment, the trees in the wood where I climb are really stressed, the small fronded ferns are struggling. Wednesday will be the hottest day of the year here, 100+ degF is being predicted. That's probably nothing to bronzed Californians, but to us rickety, pasty, palid Brits it's hard work.

Anyway goodnight

Nice one Janet ay, speak on Wednesday Lois

-John

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 18, 2006 - 09:21pm PT

No one doubts you can turn on the words Ding!

But what I think he meant with the '95 comment was in reference to the universe that sprang from a flower in a previous navel, before the days of Supertopo. Hope that clears it up, Lois.

For now I want to sit back and read more conjecture from the fertile mind of Janet!! Nice.
More John x couldn't hurt, either.

As Tar implied (and others here have too) "Lanquage Is a virus from outer space."

Jacob

Trad climber

yucca valley

Jul 19, 2006 - 01:37am PT

look! that kid is sniffing ur... uh... yeaa

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 19, 2006 - 03:50am PT

Janet

Hand waving at the back of the class,

Pleeeeeeaaase Miss who can I be?

Gandalf??????????

Strider?????????

Not a freekin HOBBIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 19, 2006 - 04:26am PT

Dingus Man A++

The master steps up to the plate and knocks the ball clear out of the park.

For 15 minutes this morning your post transported me to another place and time.

I've always had a thing for those little barley things in Campbell's beef soup

Me too.....

You're not the only one who can turn on the word spiggot you know...

Oh I know, I've been a long-time admirer from the rec.climbing days.

John

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 19, 2006 - 04:36am PT

Go to sleep locker, big day tomorrow, this thread's gonna mutate!

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jul 19, 2006 - 08:30am PT

Johnx01, yeah the Met here is Ireland forecast that today would be the hottest but it hasn’t turned out that way, rain is coming back tomorrow so I’ll make sure that I get down to Dalkey Quarry this evening for a bit of climbing, as I have the past two evenings. As you know, in Ireland, like Britain, you have to make hay while the sun shines (even more so in Ireland) and get on the rock.

Whereabouts in the UK do you live? I was a journalist in London (with a brief stint in northern Wales) from June 1986 to January 2003. I’ve been in Ireland for over ten years now, but will return home to California some day (I just don’t know which day).

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 19, 2006 - 08:34am PT

There's a saying in the UK that the Brits and the Merkins are divided by a common language.

The last couple of days posting here has demonstrated to me that we share much commonality, I mean
the posts of Lois, DMT, locker, everyone infact, carries alot of information and sublety in them.

Outside this Forum I have been struggling to understand the meaning of two words, spoken by an American to an Englishman, I have been grappling with this for a couple of days but I don't think I fully understand all the connotations of that seemingly simple geeting.

The conversation took place at the G8 conference, it was caught on a microphone that they didn't think was on, the two men were George W. Bush and Tony Blair. George is seated at a table and Tony walks over(I'm ignoring the body language here). Bush speaks........

Yo Blair, How are you doing?

What the hell does that "Yo Blair" mean???

1) Is it just a genuine Texan greeting for two equals with no hidden meaning

2) Is it a high status person greeting to an underling

3) Is there an element of Frat House Jock greets geeky, pesky nerd (who might be useful to do some assignment sometime)

4) Are there some sort of Gangster Rap overtones

It shocked me that he was addressed by his surname, I haven't been called by my surname since the early 70s at secondary school, I mean would Ronald Reagan speak to Margaret Thatcher like that

Yo Thatch, how's it hanging

Does being called by your surname have those sort of implications attached to it as it does to me? Janet I'd also be interested to know what a Canadian makes of this phrase, any Aussies out there?????

A full transcript of what was caught on the mike can be found here

Please enlighten me as to what that phrase means?

I here do rename this thread "The Yo Blair Thread", happy posting

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jul 19, 2006 - 10:35am PT

Blair, a closet conservative (or champagne liberal), seems a lot closer to Bushie than he did to ‘fellow’ liberal Willy boy.

I guess that is the New Labour.

I have interviewed him three time, the first time in his office in Parliament when he was shadow spokesman for employment in 1989, and I always liked him. But in the past few years the way he has been kowtowing to the neo-cons, I am getting sick of the fella.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 19, 2006 - 11:31am PT

Lois, I was refering to (as did Johnx, a little bit above) the idea that Juan And DMT 'met' in rec.climbing (usenet)before there was supertaco, by using a confusing metaphor from hindu cosmology, in consideration of your mention of reincarnation.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 19, 2006 - 11:31am PT

Yo LEB! "Fag" is slang for cigarette in GB.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 19, 2006 - 11:36am PT

Also firewood (where the fag for gay people comes from)..

A digression; When I was a boy scout we had an exchange with some british scouts. As the campfire burned low one of the Brit scouts said, "Time to go fagging." It was a little unerving to our twelve year old minds till we firgured that they meant go firewood collecting, out there, in the dark ....

wootles

climber

Gamma Quadrant

Jul 19, 2006 - 12:03pm PT

"P.S. Also take note that it is acceptable for women to adopt mannerisms and speech patterns of men. People (guys) might even say "Hey, Mary is cool" or "She's alright." It is never acceptable, however, for men to emulate mannerism of a female (unless they are being sarcastic or doing so in jest). That would constitute being "effeminate" and, such is, typically met with much scorn. Doing so will earn the (scornful) remark "He's a fag." It shows you who actually has the "power" in our society."

Does this font make my ass look big?

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 19, 2006 - 03:56pm PT

Yo wootles

Q: Does this font make my ass look big?
A: No all the chocolates and cakes you eat makes you ass look big

Yo locker

Quit whining, you could have been that fairy with the bow and arrows.

Yo Milktoast

I guess old dogs don't like patting

Yo LEB

Crystal clear - thankyou, any Texans like to put a regional slant on that?

Yo Sawyer

Speak tomorrow when these boys and girls are in bed

Yo Jaybro and TIG

There is another UK meaning for fag/fagging, anyway I reckon those boy scouts were just plain gay

Yo Yo Gotta Go!

GOclimb

Trad climber

Boston, MA

Jul 19, 2006 - 05:41pm PT

Was curious what all the posting was about. Ugh.

JohnX, great posts.

GO

d-know

Trad climber

electric lady land

Jul 19, 2006 - 07:34pm PT

stop posting on this thread or else it'll go to 300.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 19, 2006 - 07:35pm PT

Casting error.

Janet - Cat woman!? - She is the supertopo queen of dead cats.

Is there a Dead Cat Queen in this drama?

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand, Man.....

Jul 19, 2006 - 09:29pm PT

Jenna = Eugene - DMT + Kodos

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 19, 2006 - 11:49pm PT

Too bad 'Zardoz' is taken!

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 05:47am PT

Jenna

My you're a feisty one, I like that. Welcome to the fellowship, your powers of observation, razor sharp and succinct analysis may prove useful. Tell me do you think LEB is a woman?

Russ

Your Algebra of Trolls is useful

Jenna = Eugene - DMT + Kodos
LEB = DMT - Janet the PTPP ex + 80% Jaybro the birthday boy = T*R
DMT = LEB
TIG + Booze = Rimjob

I think you need to get some brackets in there to get round commutative(?) problems for non simple expressions. For instance did you mean

Jenna = (Eugene - DMT) + Kodos

or

Jenna = Eugene - (DMT + Kodos)

Also introducing letters to represent unknowns (X) might prove useful, I think you may have discovered a new branch of mathematics here!

Patrick

What is Dalkey like, have you climbed at Fair Head and is it as impressive as people tell me ie. the best venue in UK and Eire?

Janet

Today I shall be Sean Connery as the Friar in the Name of the Rose - Johnx01 of SuperTacoville

Later

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 09:23am PT

Cough, cough, in my best, deep gravelly Scottish brogue

This place is riddled with them, the very fabric of this abbey reeks of their malodourousness, you even invent a heretical Troll-gebra to describe their abominations

I need your confessions now!

Let me explain, after painstaking scholastics study and careful deduction I present to you, the Monastic Council, my findings.

I was duped early on by Lois's 'soothing' talk, yet last night's post of 'Yo Blair' was redolent of DMT.

DMT's insistence that LEB is a troll, with poorly thought out arguments is classic misdirection

LEB's claim that she knows nothing about climbing is overstated, what non-climber could casually throw in such a cutting, cruel, vicious and vile put down as

If you say you are from the UK, so be it. I didn't realize there was alot of climbing there but then what do I know about climbing.

How that cut me to the core.......

DMT's hope that non-climbing 'frequent posters' will stay, (He may loose the venue to showcase his demonic talent)

LEB's slip that there was a 'mark' to get close to

LEB - A three letter acronym(TLA)

DMT - A TLA

This Glen Gardner fabrication - pah!

My argument builds you see........ I am getting warm!

I can hear your bleating now

LEB is no Troll,
locker has spoken to her,
locker has spoken,
locker......

X an unknown, an uncertainty, your Algebra works. Let me recap my thinking

LEB = Computer Program
LEB = DMT
LEB = DMT + X

What is that X, X may be locker as the accomplice or locker has been duped. DMT has a female accomplice.

I need your confessions now or I must report this to the Grand Inquisitor..........., and then may God have mercy on your souls

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 09:28am PT

Janet

We are talking Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman here aren't we...?

Anyway, I can't play out on Friday, and next time can I have an easier character than Sean Connery, that dam near killed me, oh yeah and apologees to Umberto Eco, I've neither seen the film or read the book before you start getting picky with me.

Have a good weekend, hope it gets to 333

-John

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 20, 2006 - 09:58am PT

LEB x Jenna - Janet = CATFIGHT!

This thread really blows off the tension I'm accumulating from all the climbing I'm not doing.

Like weekly tv (or better: radio) episode installments, only by the hour.
Keep it up Kideos!

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 20, 2006 - 10:08am PT

The only Catwoman worth talking about is Julie Newmar.

LEB = Sunshine McGillicutty - Rockstar

scuffy b

climber

Chalet Neva-Care

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:05am PT

Johnx01 has posted some equations which must be summarized:

LEB = DMT - Janet the PTPP ex + 80% Jaybro the birthday boy = T*R
DMT = LEB
and
LEB = Computer Program
LEB = DMT
LEB = DMT + X
from these we get
X=0
LEB=T*R
Janet=80%Jaybro
DMT=T*R
DMT=Computer Program
T*R=Computer Program
Mind, these are implications of John's work, not my own hypotheses. John, do you stand behind these?

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:19am PT

meow.
JN:
ms original catwoman.
femme fatale deluxe.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:27am PT

But back to Trolldom Mechanics and the onerous task of true ID,
Although LEB may be who she really is and whatnot,
(ahem, and not to interrupt Jenna)

I think I know who most of us Boyz are:

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:32am PT

ROTFLMTO.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 01:43pm PT

Ladies, Ladies

Take this elsewhere, you're scaring the menfolk off!

These guys may have soloed 5.15, aided A5+, sprinted up K2 in the sandals and boxer shorts, but they sure as sh#t aint gonna get in the middle of this one!

Focus, huddle this is the Mission 666 Thread!

Yo

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 20, 2006 - 03:22pm PT

I generally have a full bore "Blow up" monthly

Blow ups are old technology. You should try one of Russ' Real Dolls.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:05pm PT

ouch.
dang.
maybe this explains the dust up just upthread Jenna?
then again, hooey.

whutever.
but stay please.
we are your friends.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:12pm PT

Thank you Jenna

True spirit, let's take this puppy one post at a time.

Lois, have you posted on that 'other lame thread', if not we wanna hear it here.

Yo Lo. Spill the beans baby!!!

God this heat is driving me crazy

-John

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:12pm PT

cause you were too young?
or young enough for his fantasy?

Julie Newmar

Chaos Theory

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:15pm PT

I dig Julie Newmar's rope tho.
Go back up and check it.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:16pm PT

We may have to split this thread when Lois comes through with the goods. Let's split on 333, who knows how to do that? Locker Man, it is your thread after all.....

WIPOSTWNC??? Part II

Jaybro, who is this woman, there is only Pfieffer, the one and only Catwoman, well apart from Janet, that is.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:24pm PT

"This woman" is Julie Newmar, who replaced Eartha Kitt as Catwoman. I remember her feature in Playboy as though it were yesterday.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:35pm PT

331

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:39pm PT

332

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:40pm PT

333

Hi 5 Locker-Man

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:44pm PT

I think we need to send the ladies out to buy us some beer.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 04:57pm PT

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

St. Louis

Jul 20, 2006 - 06:24pm PT

Wow - I get swept away in a storm, find a safe haven, and see where this thread has gone! Whoa. All very interesting, but I *need* to know who I am. Everyone else gets to be someone.... Whaddabout me? :)

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 06:30pm PT

Crimpergirl

Names aren't given on this thread - you earn them!

-John

mcKbill

Boulder climber

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Jul 20, 2006 - 06:39pm PT

Is this the longest thread?

I'm exhausted. I started reading from the beginning then lost track and it expanded like a new universe. Now I'm reading from the bottom up, and ready for a break.

This must be the longest thread in ST forum history.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 06:55pm PT

Janet:
Your mission: One sick story about teeth scraping

or

One illuminating story about living in England

By Wednesday next week!

MkKbill
You're mission: The strangest thing that as ever happened in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

By nest Friday

Crimpergirl:
Earn a name, DO NOT POST on that 'other lame thread' - there is only one lame thread, and it's name is POSTCLUB

By next Friday..

The first rule of POSTCLUB.........

Slakkey

Trad climber

From a Quiet Place by the Lake

Jul 20, 2006 - 07:05pm PT

Wow! It took me two beers to get through this thread. No doubt the longest and talk about a little thread drift from time to time. I had to look way back to see where I last posted on this one. Somewhere during the first beer.

Jenna Johnson

climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 07:28pm PT

Jaybro,
Tarbuster,

The rest of the story is: I had a small mishap, though painful in its own right, earlier in life while horsing around with my siblings and sitting on a shopping cart. So the evidence you might find when a girl loses her virginity wasn't there when I lost mine. Imagine being a girl growing up in the Middle East on marriage night under similar circumstances. He didn't believe a word I said and was frightened, I think. He said something about not going to jail--funny, though, we hooked up several times after that and before we both found new lovers, new schools, thousands of miles apart. But I met up with him in my early 20s by happenstance. Some where in the years past he had befriended a girl who attended my high school the same time I was there. I don't think I spoke 3 words to this girl during the two years I attended that school. She fed him all the rumors she had heard about me, all untrue. It was interesting that even then, he was still accusing me of lying. He was not a heart break for me. I have had a few heart breaks, but not him.

John,

you are awesome.

I'm outta here for a while... road tripping. I can't wait.
So, as you guys say,
TTFN

Jenna

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

St. Louis

Jul 20, 2006 - 08:10pm PT

Oh my. You mean I haven't earned my name yet???? yikes! Don't make me beg John...

Jenna Johnson

climber

Jul 20, 2006 - 08:22pm PT

John,

Help me out here. I was literally shutting down when I saw her post come in. She doesn't get it... she doesn't get that I'm not refuting her. Maybe she will listen to you because you are man. Maybe you can speak to her on her level. It will be better coming from you, than me.

Later. The road is calling.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 20, 2006 - 09:15pm PT

"Michelle Pfieffer? Oh, you mean the 'movie' catwoman. Eartha Kitt, Julie Newmar, and (?) will always be the only catwoman, for me," Adam West, in an episode of the Simps.

Myself, I have no argument with any of them, even Halle Berry.

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Jul 20, 2006 - 10:19pm PT

If one builds a "Part II" thread....will they come? Let's see....

The Part II thread can be found here:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=225627&f=0&b=0

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Jul 20, 2006 - 10:41pm PT

Fine - I'll ditch it then. Sorry to pester your thread.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:11pm PT

Rather than start a Julie Newmar appreciation thread, I'll support Locker's record attempt.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:15pm PT

Julie Newmar holds three U.S. patents. Two for pantyhose, one for bras.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:15pm PT

Just for the record, I am not Jenna.

But I did live in Utah once.

Really!

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:21pm PT

You're not Julie Newmar, either. She likes camping in the southwest.

mcKbill

Boulder climber

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:42pm PT

MkKbill
You're mission: The strangest thing that as ever happened in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Johnx01,

The strangest thing that has EVER happened in CR was a weather phenomena that happened late last month when these clouds rolled in

Many of us thought the Mother Ship was on it's way. The wife and I gathered up the cats and dogs and cowered in the basement hoping to avoid the inevitable assimilation.

You can read about and see more pics of this strange weather event
HERE

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:47pm PT

And I thought Evansville was boring.

Slakkey

Trad climber

From a Quiet Place by the Lake

Jul 20, 2006 - 11:50pm PT

WTF, 362 and counting

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 21, 2006 - 12:04am PT

this is quite the coed thread.
how refreshing.

have a nice trip jenna!
do post up some pics and a report here when you git back.
i'm sure we'll still be right in place,
dog piling on the werds or each other,
or quietly chatting over biscuits.
with tea.

gosh lois,
way teh shut the girl down.
back in the days of trad gods vs rap bolters,
you could have really been a hammer!
(last term out of context).
(in fact i don't even know what i just said).

previous couple dozen posts
fondly recalls my lunch hours
with the gals on 17th street here in Boulder.
they proudly called it the house of estrogen.
kate & tania were my sponsors.
all the gals wore boots.
boy's were welcome,
but you had to pet the kittys,
or simply let them up in yer lap.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 21, 2006 - 07:56am PT

Crimpie should be C.J.

Practice running in slow motion.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 21, 2006 - 09:42am PT

this thread must be almost impossible for the dialers.
To that end, we should not post any more photos in it.

Except for Julie Newmar, of course.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 21, 2006 - 11:11am PT

I'm a dialer.
54.6Kbps Bro.

Can you believe that?, all those gobs of silly photographs scanned chopped doctored and thrown out through that teeny pipe.

This thing seems to be loading fine.
Onward to the top of the mountain of chittery chat we go!

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 21, 2006 - 11:22am PT

Per Jaybro's request. (hey, I'm keeping them small!)

"Thanks for everything" Oh lordy.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 21, 2006 - 11:36am PT

Julie Newmar protects us from leaf blowers!

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 21, 2006 - 12:06pm PT

Julie Newmar's Playboy pictorial is the stuff of adolescent dreams
1970's style.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 21, 2006 - 12:09pm PT

Julie Newmar even looks great in a burlap bag.

scuffy b

climber

Chalet Neva-Care

Jul 21, 2006 - 12:19pm PT

I heard a great story on the radio a few years back from a guy
who grows a big crop of tomatoes and zucchini every year. I guess he thinks he has it figured out each year, but he can never keep up.
So he has a massive baseball party every year using the giant zucchini as bats and tomatoes as balls.
" you want a soft one? hit this!"
"yeah? catch this one, punk!"
I guess it's the Reds vs. the Reds by the end of the day.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 21, 2006 - 02:07pm PT

Julie Newmar's legs were insured for $1,000,000. I wonder why?

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 21, 2006 - 02:09pm PT

Julie Newmar invented TTFN:

Catwoman: "TTFN!"
Batman: "What does that mean?"
Catwoman: "Ta ta for now!"
-- t.v. show BATMAN "The Purr-Fect Crime" originally aired March 16, 1966

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 21, 2006 - 02:13pm PT

Not only did Julie Newmar graduate high school at 15 with an IQ of 135, she played Chopin flawlessly:

http://www.julienewmar.com/links.html

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

St. Louis

Jul 21, 2006 - 02:40pm PT

look at me run!

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 24, 2006 - 05:16am PT

Stout post MkKbill, superfast too, you're on the team. Those clouds look weird to me, I mean I think I'd just get in my car and drive, cos the next thing I'd expect to see would be a big hand coming out of them, with it's finger pointing at me, and then a very deep voice....

JOHNX01 YOU ARE A SINNER AND A FORNICATOR, YOUR JUDGEMENT TIME IS NOW.......

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 24, 2006 - 05:21am PT

Jenna Johnson wrote

"Maybe she will listen to you because you are man"

Are you sure I'm a man??

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 24, 2006 - 05:52am PT

Tarbuster

"house of estrogen", well put! This thread has gone all 'girlie', jeez I leave you laydeez alone for a minute and you start swapping recipes.

We need to get some testosterone in this puppy, I mean whaddya think would have happened to that Stonemaster thread if Bachar and Largo had started swapping Butterfly Cake recipes, I'll tell you what - diddlysquat, that's what!

Jaybo - go find locker, he's about to be reported MIA. Tell him he doesn't have to be that little slimy gollum this week, he can be Clint Eastwood or John Wayne or what ever he wants, just get him back here.

Think, think, Ah, we need a real man to post here, anyone know where BURT BRONSON - THE LAST BASTION OF THE SERIOUS CLIMBER hangs out these days. If we could get 'ole BURT on here this thread would start sprouting a pair of hairy gonads to put those Stonemaster to shame.

Any of you old r.c crew know where BB is?

OK reports from the weekend, what did you all get up to, I'll report my manly climbing activities shortly.

Come on people hustle next target 444

Yo

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 24, 2006 - 06:47am PT

Three, no, 2.5 Pines. Formerly the best 5.3 in the Gunks is now the stinkiest. Reek of urine is worse than the worst port authority subway stop. Time to trundle the two cute black vulture chicks with their white fur collars. On the upside, I did get to see their deep throat feeding thing from about 3 meters away. They make the weirdest sounds doing that. Lots of water made otherwise easy climb thoughtful especially on P1 for my friend with shiny gear.

New leader day. Stopper practice on P1 of Hawk and gear anchor practice on Beginner's. Then TR'ed Snookies Return and Friends and Lovers.

A good day, even though it was raining when we arrived at New Paltz exit. Temps started in low 60s, eventually got to high 70s when the sun came out around 4.

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 24, 2006 - 08:10am PT

I think I am in luv with Jenna. BUT I need to see her mean streak a little better before I can really commit.

I used to have a big crush on Crimpergirl, but she said she would break my little stick arms, and besides, my favorite food is stuffed parrot.

Anyway, I want a mean, foul-mouthed, edgy girl like Jenna, who won't put up with psychobabble internet analysis.

IF posters on ST were not climbers, then they'd be posting on rockclimbing.com, except for Lois, who is probably 100% female on one of those continuum scales for male/female attributes.

Hey wait a minute, ST alter-ego twist:

Locker is a gollum-like creature.

Gollum loves raw fish.

Nature loves raw fish!

Has anyone seen Locker and Nature together?

COULD it possibly be that Locker = Nature?

something is fishy here...

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 24, 2006 - 06:37pm PT

'Spent the weekend doing my usual:
Hoisting my ongoing farce that Tarbuster actualy is/was a climber.

Super Taco is the best place I know of to do this, so that's where I started, that's where I finished.

Kicked off my friday night with a little public flirt and spiritual support -chivalrously doled out to the voluptuos T*R, then wandered over to the 5.10 standards thread before passing out, face down this time, on the keyboard next to my handy tequila sipper. (I usually talk outa my but, so I most often pass out sitting on the key board).

Saturday morning I ripped some more fonee pictures from God Knows Knott where and propped up some more erstwhile Scrambles Thread sickness meant to cheaply shadow the real deal.

Mid day I bickered about on the Reardon thread for a bit, threw up some nice 'toons ripped from the New Yorker and high tailed it outa there.

I thought about going outside... nah, too risky. So I prepped my voice activated software and dug in for a long afternoon howl via Super Topo Barwars, thus flailing about by levereging various metrics of indignation, faux expertise, and potty humor on any thread I could log into, which was pretty much all of 'em.

Saturday night I fell asleep cuddled up next to Lisa in front of the DVD, while trying to stay focused on Siriana, a what's his name from ER TV show ensemble thing about oil and the attendant global travesty.

'Got up Sunday and tried to recover the ground I'd lost on The 'Taco owing to my absence Saturday night. I found I was so far outa' the loop I just felt I'd irretrievably lost my place.
"Shoot", I thought.
"Yah Dunnit' now kiddo", I said to myself.
Gee, how was I going to git back in the game?
Lisa just hunched her shoulders and went out for a run.
Then, my coffee kicked in...

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 24, 2006 - 07:52pm PT

Caught Julie Newmar on an old Columbo yesterday, the one where Martin Landau plays twins, saw about ten minutes and then was forced to go climbing.

JohnX, I'd check on Locker but I'm 500 miles away.

I think BURT is in STONEY, obviously heat don't bug him.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 24, 2006 - 10:40pm PT

Lips Landau, 'Ole One Eye, and Leggy Newmar, what an episode!

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 25, 2006 - 12:56am PT

Battle Stations Kids!
I have news from afar:
The Reardon thread is 166 posts just behind,
Darn tootin' pert right on our tails.

Plus, methinks a couple truble makers are starting to ring in some sense over there. So be on the alert.

Gotta keep the karmik scales of spoof and aloof up to the task.
Our fates 'er in the balance as 'twere.

'N remembers yous dads this:
quality + quantity = the shyte.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 25, 2006 - 03:55am PT

dirtineye:

Jenna will crush you and humiliate you, it may be fun for a while but it would soon wear off. I think the safest thing to do is wait till she returns from her roadtrip and pray she posts some gratuitous lycra shots, keep the relationship at wrists length as it were.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 25, 2006 - 04:29am PT

Tarbuster:

Woah man.... you need to get out more, this isn't healthy

That 5.10 standards thread is quite good tho' I'm hoping to spend a few days in Yose towards the end of the year, and am trying to get fitter. I just know I'm gonna get my ass whipped on those crack lines

See that "newsflash: sport climbing is stupid" thread started by 'yo'. Up to 306 posts already! It's cheap and childish, but they say immitation is the sincerest for of flattery.

Say I could do it on this one to ease it over the magical 444

>>Our fates 'er in the balance as 'twere

So true, I feel like the wagons are circled, we're down to our last box of ammo, and the indians are still coming over the hill.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 25, 2006 - 04:37am PT

Jaybro

We got down about nine pm from climbing on Saturday night, I flicked the radio on as we pulled out on the main road to Llanberis(North Wales) and they were just starting the Saturday night play on BBC Radio 4. It was 'The Name of The Rose' for a moment I thought of you guys - is that synchronicity or something.

BURT was a hoot, that Yosemite TR cracked me up!

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 25, 2006 - 10:31am PT

Godspeed feller kiddie hucksters.
I think Locker must be out by the shack, next to the knotty pine, preening his fragile egg shell mind.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 25, 2006 - 11:01am PT

I think he's swapped his Gollum outfit for an Indian headress and he's circling us now.

LEB can we have a recipe please!

mcKbill

Boulder climber

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Jul 25, 2006 - 11:18am PT

"JOHNX01 YOU ARE A SINNER AND A FORNICATOR, YOUR JUDGEMENT TIME IS NOW....... "

I just read this (yer reaction to the cloud pics) and nearly blew hot coffee out my nose! Whew, close call.

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 25, 2006 - 11:25am PT

What a Great sentence there Tar-baby!

Janet, dear Janet, if I mentioned you, SOMEONE sould claim I was stalking you, and then 50 others would believe it, and it would all end badly. OOPS! Too late.

But anyway, I guess I would choose either Yosemite Sam (but someone else is probably more suited, mayber someone who had actually been to yosemite, and I am after all a little anti-yosemetic, hehe), Elmer Fudd, or some other suitable cartoon character.

OR, you could resurrect that old idea of me being a reincarnated hopi indian female prostitute with strong lesbian preferences. Pick a name, but make it a good indian name, like, for instance, Climbs-with-Idiots.

John-boy, well, jenna might beat me up, it's true, but think of the makeup potential later.

scuffy b

climber

Chalet Neva-Care

Jul 25, 2006 - 11:31am PT

John, be not overly concerned about that other thread, the "stupid" one. Yes, it's "already" up to 306 posts,
but it's been going for 4 years!
I think Locker is troubled. It is possible that someone
has had this idea in the past, but maybe not.
He puts up a brave front, but I believe that he is crumbling
under the stress. He doesn't know how to commit.
Is it a tighty-whitey kind of day? Black boxers? T'ai Chi?
Shadow boxing?
Without Agent Kream he is a lost man.
Even Cheetos may not be enough to save him.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 25, 2006 - 01:55pm PT

well done lad.
now back to the salt mines and net us some more knatty repartee.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 25, 2006 - 02:22pm PT

Dingus

What's your 3 favourite trolls off rec.climbing, links to threads appreciated.

John

WoodySt

Trad climber

Riverside

Jul 25, 2006 - 02:39pm PT

I was going to post something profound, but I'm exhausted from reading the thread.
One of Locker's brothers died so he's traveling and busy with family affairs.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 25, 2006 - 03:09pm PT

thanks for the lockster update.
comrad down and a brother no less.
whew.
godspeed locker.
our sincere condolences.

perhaps you'll need to rest your heart's eyes and engage in some nutty and discursive banter upon your return. or knott.
we're here for ya locker, in as much as a group of stray cyberville hounds can be.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 25, 2006 - 03:22pm PT

That is terrible news.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 25, 2006 - 04:30pm PT

Locker Man

That's terrible news mate. Sincerest condolences

Thanks WoodySt for letting us know

-John

Jacob

Trad climber

yucky valley

Jul 25, 2006 - 07:45pm PT

best wishes to him and his family

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 25, 2006 - 08:24pm PT

gosh,
gee,
and there we were in a lull and mourning.
go girl.
well dunn.
what else ya got?
we don't need teh know ya.

juss tell us a story jenna, or a snippit.

hey Lois.
recess is over.
back to it!

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Jul 25, 2006 - 08:46pm PT

We are not climbers. We are Computer Drones.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 25, 2006 - 09:16pm PT

I think I wanna marry Jenna, although I have knott yet seen her.

As far as splitting the thread and counting the total posts, what a ridiculous crock!
You would have a holy fuçk of a long way to go before remotely approaching the legendary
Stonemaster Stories or the Mussy Neb series.
Ain't gonna happen, no matter how many garbage throw-away posts are added.

Remember kids, think quality knott quantity...

One more thought: I kinda like the way this thread is taking forever
to load––even on a 6 megabit cable connection. As Louis Armstrong sang:

We Have All The Time In The World (From Russia With Love).

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 25, 2006 - 09:44pm PT

Boy that Jenna gal is mean.

I think I'm in luv.

How does that go again, hit me, beat me, make me feel cheap?

OR was it pet, me greet me, buy me a new jeep?

Fvck if I can remember.

Relax Jenna, nobody will ever ever know you, or anyone else anyway, even if they try.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 25, 2006 - 11:21pm PT

alrighty then!
Um, I mean all right then.
Nice to have most of us back on board.

per load up time,
hey, good things come to those who weight,
or,
mediocre things come to those who are late.

Well, what I mean to say in addition is, so I'll just say it,
Someone else once said:
"Hey speed reading or even reading fast, no great value in that. I figure a good book took a long time to write and a lot of slow diligent effort too, so I may as well take my time getting to know it, and begin to savor the words".

Knott that that has anything to do with his thread.
This is just fun and that's worth waiting for too.
Plus it would be neat to have like a thousand post thread which takes 15 minutes to load; I could get a lot of extra stuff done around the house, while I'm waiting for a little natty chatty.

Hey, and oops; I think the pressure from those smiley faces just sprouted some leaks in my 54.6 Kbps pipeline...

Carry on, sally forth.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 25, 2006 - 11:22pm PT

Really sorry to hear that, Locker. I'm very close to my brothers, that has to be rough. Good luck, reach out as needed. There are a lot of people who will do what they can.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

St. Louis

Jul 26, 2006 - 12:19pm PT

Hey hey hey! I'm mean too... Mean as a bowl of jello.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 26, 2006 - 09:22pm PT

Jello is only as mean as its mold and it doesn't hold much of an edge either.

But I have had some mean bundt cake in my time.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 26, 2006 - 09:31pm PT

Food returns.

What if posters were all women?

Hey Chris, how about a recipe forum?

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 26, 2006 - 09:39pm PT

Hey, there's not going to be a catfight, is there?

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 27, 2006 - 12:00am PT

I just woke up.
We are being righteously trolled here.
Lois = Jenna.

(and we are all fireflies in a little jar called supertopo)
so, figuratively speaking: Chris Mac = John Buitner

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 27, 2006 - 12:09am PT

Lois, welcome to the land of Internet Bitches™.

It's a jungle out there (here).

You said yourself that this is all very new to you, and that you stumbled across this forum.
If we all played nice all the time, can you imagine how uttery fuçking boring it would be?
Just know that 95% of the guys here are beside themselves at the prospect of a good ol' catfight!!

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 27, 2006 - 03:20am PT

Hey girls wanna see my glow worm??

(Runs for cover...)

-johnx01

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 27, 2006 - 04:37am PT

As promised what I did last Saturday.....

T. and I drove out along the North Wales coast road, to our right yatchts headed out into a pale blue sea from ports in Anglesey.

To out left the northern ramparts of the Carneddau hills reared up straight from the coast, at times the beach, railway line and road were squeezed into a corridor tens of yards wide.

The Carneddau, the highest and largest area of upland Britain south of the Scotland, wild desolate, rolling hills in summer, vicous and deadly in winter when the Atlantic storms batter their tops, there's nowhere to hide. The range runs north-south, lonely roadless valleys cut in on the east and west flanks. We were heading for one in the south western corner. We parked above Bethesda and started a gentle hours walk in to the foot of the crag, the path was good and we followed the the river.

The cliff faces north east, a cool haven in the hellish heat of the UK at the moment, a good choice we thought, it's an unpopular crag, big sprawling and vegetated, it takes a long time to dry out, I'd never been there before, but given the weather at the moment I thought it worth a look for one route alone. The Groove, E1, 5a,5a,5a,5a,4b,4a ***, I don't know what that is in your money, 5.8/9 maybe. It's an unusual grade in the UK, most E1's start at 5b technical, unless they are bold or sustained, I hoped the latter, I wasn't feeling up to the former.

Word for the day was 'sturdy' - to be used at all opportunities, an apt word, a word that got some mileage that day as the climb unfolded. T. sturdily studied the guidebook and offered me the first of the 4 5a pitches, good, I would have done the same, at least we were reading this the same, the last 5a pitch sounded the stunner.

Looking up the opening groove to a legde below a band of overhangs, above which a mass of rock reared like the prow of an ocean liner, our line stayed to the right of the prow for two putches then traversed across at it's foot and followed a groove line to it's left all the way up the cliff.

A quick scope of the first pitch and I was off, into a groove say 70 foot long snaking up to a vegetated ledge, first few moves OK,then hey this is quite steep, then it dawned this was steep and hard no two consecutive moves were the same, infact each move was unique, no continous crack ran up the back of the groove to work a theme, a few moves stand out. A sort of left hand palm down high step with the right foot, rock up and grab and undercut a pocket. And a semi layaway with the right hand for a high reach with the left for a pocket almost on the edge of the groove, followed by an immediate step over to using the right wall.

By the time I'd pulled over and belayed I'd noticed I appeared to have a full body pump, however unusually my forearms appeared untouched, this became the way I arrived at most belays from then on, a physical climb for sure.

T joined me far too quicky, "Sturdy Lead" and headed on up. The next pitch an open corner with vertical flakey holds on the left wall and an initially overhanging right wall, it didn't look like T's cup of tea. Sturdily he struggled up it with a weird back and foot and a quite inventive knee bar at one point, obviously all that running is doing his stamina good. After the overhanging section it seemed all over however he spent as long on the rest of it as he did on the first. My turn came and I came to understand why, arriving at the stance with a "Sturdy Lead T" I dawdled over racking the gear and even indulged in a cigarette before setting out on the next pitch.

The initial moves off the belay involved a step down left onto the lip of the overhang, before a reach across to a spikey flake, the exposure after the previous pitches snapped at my heels, I got the flake and looked up the prow soaring above my head, a 5.11 went up a tiny groove in the prow, I continued my slinking leftwards gratefully. At the end of the traverse a step across took me back into the groove line, and more of the same inventive groove work.

Thirty foot later I was rigging a semi-hanging stance off a flake and a nut, my last hard lead over, I hoped. T. led through. The groove disappeared out of sight maybe seventy foot above my head, T was working hard from the first move till he pulled over the angle change. Progress remained slow and steady, finally a shout of 'Safe'. The guide was right the pitch was a stunner, not as hard as the first two but "sturdy" enough.

We started to relax, a short romp up the next pitch and I was sitting in the evening sun, bringing T up, the final pitch offered a choice, either right or left of a big roof, T chose right and disappeared from view, half an hour later progress had ground to zero. The rope had become jammed and the climbing a little harder than expected, he'd taken a belay and brought me up to a poor stance belayed from nuts at his high point. I led through over some rocky bands and grassy ledges till a shout of 'Twenty feet" caught me 25 feet from easy ground. I made the belay on the rope stretch, T. arrived all apologetic, we unroped and picked our way down the side of the cliff along sheep paths and small sections of downclimbing.

Later that evening we sat on the shore of the lake at Lanberis eating 'Fish and Chips' - Yo T. Sturdy Day!

Oh yeah, on Sunday 'Feckless' was the word of the day.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 27, 2006 - 07:52am PT

Yo Janet

Janet wrote:

"without over-stepping the bounds of decorum on Chris' forum"

I'm sure those bounds have been pushed way beyond anything a little teeth scraping story could take us. Try changing some of the facts and sprinkle a few 'alledgedly's in there, after all that's what the press do.

C'mmon girl, I've been looking forward to this all week, do it, do it for locker.......

STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY! STORY!

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 27, 2006 - 09:53am PT

Finally this thread is heating up!

Allow me MY bit on ST character analysis...

LEB-- Gullible to a fault, thinks she is smarter than she is, has not got a mean bone in her body, means well, 100% FEMALE, wants to help to the point of being meddlesome sometimes, extremely curious, someone who would make a great neighbor, friendly, highly capable of missing the point sometimes, even more capable of missing a joke, and the best comedic straight man/comic foil on the internet. Definitely a bonus to have her on ST for entertainment value alone, and her field of expertise is a bonus.

Locker-- Fruitcake, plain and simple, but not just any fruitcake, no, he's that one that has been passed around for years, acquiring more 'character' than is needed or even desireable. Another facet of the jewel that is ST, but definitely one of the most flawed, LOL.

Crimpergirl-- Hey, it's all about the thumbs, and her feathered friends, and now that she has decided to break out of the sport world and become a true trad gal, woo-hoo! Another nutjob climber, only better looking than most, comes complete with 'different' sense of humor, and most likely worth all the trouble I get into with her. Maybe she will relent and not break my little stick arms.

John-boyx01 or whatever-- best import yet from across the pond, talent for humorous writing beyond most of us here, kind of early to say but I sense another long term asset in this guy, and I expect he will keep us in stitches periodically.

Jenna Johnson-- I luv this meany! Tough girl with a soft underbelly, probably will melt under the right circumstances, hobbies include trolling, more trolling, and climbing (hopefully she does NOT enjoy breaking little stick arms). need more data to do complete analysis.

Juan de Fvckup-- mega-troll extraordinaire, sometimes extremely funny, tolerable as long as he gets his daily dose of TANG.

Karl Baba-- What is the sound of one lobe clacking? More private than we think. Worth reading. Complex. Still collating on Karl.

Ekat-- Nothing short of incredible. One of my favorites of all the people I have met on the internet. Her old man ain't bad either. There is truly magic in them, of more than one kind.

Tar-baby-- Genuine article, nice guy, kind, and GOING TO GET WELL SO WE CAN DO THE HOURGLASS!!!!

Piton Ronbo-- grizzled, tough, rough, funny, interesting.

Anders, AKA Mighty Hiker-- import from Cana-duh, very witty, high-brow humor, definite asset.

Janet-- Canadienne, former GF of a pesky aid climber, nice, good to have around, ads that certain js ne sais quoi, and I predict that one day she will climb, and like it.

Whew, I'm tired. so many yet to mention, eek!

to be continued...

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 27, 2006 - 10:38am PT

Well-done Dirty Eyes!
Excellent return on your homework assignment.
Now we just need cartoon characterizations.

Johny Ox Boy, nice little TR;
Hey I'm a little geographically challenged,
But none the less quite intigued.
Was that like a Gogarth Saga?

"There's a new sensation,
A fabulous creation
A danceable solution
To teenage revolution-
Do the strand love,
When you feel love
It's the new way
That's why we say:
Do the strand!"

-Roxy Music

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 27, 2006 - 11:14am PT

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 27, 2006 - 11:16am PT

Tarbuster

Yeah, like Gogarth but without the sea below it! I guess it's about 50 minutes drive to Gogarth from Bethesda(where we parked), you been.......?

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 27, 2006 - 12:00pm PT

LOis, dear,

I'm JOKING about the mean women attraction thing. I don't like mean women at all.

See, you are not as smart as you think you are, hahahahahahaahh!

But gullible to a fault, yes indeed. I still laugh about the time I told you I was a reincarnated Hopi indian lesbian prostitute and you believed it.

But Lois, you are priceless, so, don't change anything, and don;t be offended. You help keep this site entertaining, and you certainly contribute to the atmoshpere here in a good way. And I'm sure you are plenty smart, just not as smart as you think, which does not rule out the possiblilty taht smarter peopel surround you, BTW.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 27, 2006 - 03:01pm PT

Lois

Nice annalysis of how women war in paragraphs 1 & 2

Paragraphs 3 & 4 - No, no no, no, no, no! You will write out 500 times,

"I will not indulge in speculative psychobabble on ST in future - it is unbecoming of a lady of science"

In the style of dirtineye:

Dingus Milktoast-- Thinks he's seen everything, probably has seen everything, good Troll Hound, occasionally excercises his 'word spiggot'

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 27, 2006 - 03:45pm PT

444

Lois - IT

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 27, 2006 - 04:01pm PT

446 - The number of the post, remember Lois we're going for 666

Yes IT as in computer technology

Where's that recipe?

-John

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 27, 2006 - 04:34pm PT

Never been out your way John,

Gogarth:
The Strand, Dream of White Horses, of
course are on my list or anything doable given "proper" conditions.

Anyplace steeped in history, or close to a pub, will do as well.
Snowdon, Llanberis, Grit...

Hey anybody reading anything good?
Speaking of Umberto Eco, "Foucaults Pendulum" was steeped in mystical history and quite the wade.

I'm currently plodding through his "The Island of the Day Before", loosely anchored in the history of celestial navigation and clocks, even more spread out, often funny.

Have a nice day Lois.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Jul 27, 2006 - 04:41pm PT

I took a year to read Focault's P. I finished it, and Quicksilver, on a long solitary Indian creek trip that culminated in 'the belly.'

I'm starting 'The Confusion' keep life perservers at the ready.

'Dreams of Brown Trousers' is the seacliff route I'm jonsing.

Roger Breedlove

Trad climber

Cleveland Heights, Ohio

Jul 27, 2006 - 05:12pm PT

Speaking of reading, I just finished Beneath the Volcano, by Malcolm Lowry. Been on my shelf for 30 years. Not easy, in my opinion, althought I can see how it is in the canon.

Anyone else read it and want to comment?

Part of my 'reading for pain' program, as my friends put it.

scuffy b

climber

Chalet Neva-Care

Jul 27, 2006 - 06:39pm PT

I'm reading The Wind Birds by Peter Matthiessen. Also
known asShorebirds of North America.
I haven't read any of his in many years now and am likng it.
I have a couple fallbacks which are just about due for their
zillionth turns: Kim and Siddhartha.
Dips into Ryokan, too.

scuffy b

climber

Chalet Neva-Care

Jul 27, 2006 - 06:46pm PT

I'm also Jonesing to read The Conquest of Tillie's Lookout. I loaned out my 69 Ascent several years ago, so there goes that. I guess I should also finally check out The Ascent of Rum Doodle.
I know, I know, how can a guy be so unversed in the important shee?

Jenna Johnson

climber

Jul 27, 2006 - 07:46pm PT

i love mark helprin.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 27, 2006 - 08:38pm PT

On leadership, one of my favorite lines:
"If you want to lead, then you've gotta be sure you have some place in mind that's worth goin' to".

-Paraphrasing Mickey Rourke to Matt Dillon in "Rumble Fish".

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 27, 2006 - 10:30pm PT

Please do not drive this thread any higher. I really do not want rajmit to come out of his unannounced (second) retirement. The number of posts on this thread could just push that button, and then we will have another trade center not really hit by commercial jets, or pentagon hit by broom test pilots thread.

Pull the life support.

Drama thread - part II.

Cat fight - part II.

Gary obsession with (whoever that catwoman actress) part II.

Dirtineye analysis of LEB's missing sense of humor part I.

Supertacan mama's jello wrestling with pictures part I, II, and III.

Ouch's version of supertacan coed jello wrestling part I.

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 27, 2006 - 11:37pm PT

OK. Break this thread. Even broadband it is ridiculous.

Add

Funny dental - part I

As the LEB turns - reruns from the first, second and third seasons.

Bad sexual techniques (non-dental related) - parts I, II

Return of China Plates.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 27, 2006 - 11:45pm PT

Jeepers,
I'd say you hit your mark on filling the tall order for a dental hygiene story Janet.

And Janet,
As I was outside happily trimming the sage dappled grass, I was thinking the same per Jenna's disposition toward Lois. Like I might have come in having decided to say something in support of Lois. Then I thought, nah, Lois will calmly, ploddingly, "LEB" Janet to the deck in a slow burn workmanlike manner...

Huh Lois.
(teen speak for ain't that so)

Trad Daddy,
This thread breaks or brakes for no one.

I do like some your writing Janet.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 28, 2006 - 12:05am PT

This thread is built for drift.
How natural!

As I begin to run out of pictures to post (not),
I tire of run 'a the mill climber speak.
So this is the shyte.

All your responses are ardently conventional, rational, and detailed Lois.
Keep on Keepin' on!

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 28, 2006 - 12:13am PT

So which version of Misty do folks prefer? Sara Vaughn, or Ray Stevens?

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 28, 2006 - 01:27am PT

Don't you EVEN bad-mouth Grace!

And you didn't answer the question:
Vaughn or Stevens?

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 03:59am PT

Woah there, we've had a bit of overnight mutation,

Janet, worth the wait, I couldn't do your job, enjoy the holiday and get back for the 666 party.

I'm with Tarbuster, I don't think we can split this, it's just bigger than all of us now.

I think we are present at the birth of a new word, it's

leb leb v.
1. To earnestly pick over and analyse a post on an internet forum
2. To post lengthy well thought out and argued discourses on a slightly tangential angle to an original post
3. To engage in wild flights of 'Casteneda' like mumbo jumbo regarding reincarnation and afterlife

n.
1. A lengthy, (possibly over)analysis of a situation

Tarbuster, you're never too far from a pub in the UK, I've got a problem with my legs - they can't walk past an open one!

Books.... Just finished The Wisdom of Crocodiles so am terminally confused

Lois, you know I had a picture of you in mind from your posts, it was pretty close too, you got one in yer Shaman's outfit....?

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 04:54am PT

Matt

They are very nice flowers, but did you have to post them 4 times...., please delete three of them, and then go and sit on the 'naughty step' for 10 posts. There's a good little fella.

-johnx01

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 06:26am PT

I think we're heading towards a difference between men and women theme, so to get the ball rolling, here's a woman's perfect day(not original and apologies if you've seen this before)

THE PERFECT DAY FOR HER…

8:15 Wake up to hugs and kisses
8:30 Weigh-in 2 kgs lighter than yesterday
8:45 Breakfast in bed—freshly squeezed orange juice and croissants; open presents- expensive jewellery chosen by thoughtful partner
9:15 Soothing hot bath with frangipani bath oil
10:00 Light work-out at club with sexy, funny personal trainer
10:30 Facial, manicure, makeup application, shampoo, condition, blow wave
12:00 Lunch with best friend at fashionable outdoor café
12:45 Catch sight of partner’s ex and notice that she has gained 17 kgs
1:00 Shopping with friends: unlimited credit
3:00 Nap
4:00 Three dozen roses delivered by florist; card is from secret admirer
4:15 Massage from strong but gentle hunk—says he rarely gets to work on such a perfect body
5:30 Choose outfit from expensive designer wardrobe
7:30 Candlelit dinner for two followed by dancing, with compliments received from other diners/ dancers
10:00 Hot shower- alone
10:50 Carried to bed… freshly ironed, crisp, white linen
11:00 Pillow talk, light touching and cuddling
11:15 Fall asleep in his big, strong arms

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 06:33am PT

and the rest

THE PERFECT DAY FOR HIM…

6:00 Alarm
6:15 Blow job
6:30 Massive, satisfying sh#t while reading the sports section
7:00 Breakfast—steak and eggs, coffee and toast—all cooked by naked, buxom wench who bends over a lot showing her growler
7:30 Limo arrives
7:45 Several beers en route to the airport
9:15 Flight in personal Lear jet
9:30 Limo to Mirage Resort Golf Club (blow job en-route)
9:45 Play front nine (2 under par)
11:45 Lunch—steak and lobster, 3 beers and bottle of Dom Perignon
12:15 Blow job
12:30 Play back nine (4 under)
2:15 Limo back to airport (several bourbons)
2:30 Fly to Bahamas
3:30 Late afternoon fishing expedition with all-female crew, all nude who also bend over a lot showing their growlers
4:30 Land world record Marlin (1234lbs)—on light tackle
5:00 Fly home, massage and hand job by naked Elle MacPherson (bending over showing her growler, naturally)
6:45 Sh#t, shower and shave
7:00 Watch news—Michael Jackson assassinated
7:30 Dinner—lobster appetisers, Dom Perignon (1953), big juicy fillet steak followed by ice cream served on a big pair of tits
9:00 Napoleon Brandy and Habanos cigars in front of wall-sized TV as you watch football game
9:30 Sex with three women, all with lesbian tendencies
11:00 Massage and Jacuzzi with tasty pizza snacks and a cleansing beer
11:30 Night-cap blow job
11:45 In bed alone
11:50 A 22-second fart which changes note 4 times and forces the dog to leave the room
11:51 Laugh yourself to sleep

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 28, 2006 - 09:18am PT

I have a MUCH grosser story about blood, mouths, and sex, but I ain't gonna tell that one, nosirreebobby.

LOL, Matt tried to nuke this thread with flowers, how sweet.

Janet, lots of climbers are afraid of heights, that's why they take a rope.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Jul 28, 2006 - 10:46am PT

Now John,
That was definitely good for a laugh!
The women's day was perfect, thoughtfull and delicate to a T.
I think there may be some need to tune up the guy's day.
It's a little light on booze and blow jobs.

Clearly, we need to dedicate all those flowers as a sympathetic tribute to Locker and his feelings for his lost brother.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 28, 2006 - 02:42pm PT

Dingus, I really thought "Janet" was for real. Good job there, dude. You had everybody going. But you blew it. You signed her last post "DMT".

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 02:51pm PT

Janet=DMT
LEB=DMT
Therefore LEB=Janet

Doh, I've been so stupid. Good spot Gary!

johnx01

Does Mutt do this often?

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 28, 2006 - 03:09pm PT

for the record- i did not delete any of my own posts

ST has decided to delete the real nukes and the flower nukes, apparently. too bad...

now back to your regularly scheduled daytime television

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jul 28, 2006 - 03:59pm PT

If DMT could create Janet then he could have created me!!! He did not create me...

How can you be so sure?

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Jul 28, 2006 - 04:10pm PT

I can't resist, I am going to help this thread be the longest ever (to date).

Julie Newmar, I though she was great in Seven Brides For Seven Brothers (my favorite musical... shades of Last Tango In Little Grimley).

Johnx01, check your e-mail.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 04:15pm PT

Tarbuster said:

It's a little light on booze and blow jobs.

That was the girls version! Why Tarbuster btw? I mean the name.

Matt
Mate I don't mind the flowers, just once would have been OK, stick around and join in. It pisses me off too when moderators take out their scissors!

LEB/Dingus/Janet
Nice diversion lady boys!

Dingus is a troll, Dingus is a troll, Dingus is a troll yadda yadda ya - dah!

Gary
I created you, just like I created Jenna, oops!

-johnx01

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 28, 2006 - 04:19pm PT

lois/kodos- i was not doing anyting to locker, i was doing it to you, maybe because you cannot get along w/ any of the other girls in the sandbox. if you are thinking i read this whole thread you are high on some of that high grade marijuana that i hear you are farming out there in the stix

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 04:28pm PT

Gary

Go get your ebony handled troll-hook, I think we're going to be reeling them in tonight.

Patrick
E-mail you Saturday, it's gonna be a busy night...!

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 05:15pm PT

LATEST NEWS, GARY BRINGS DOWN DINGUS -- PICTURE EXCLUSIVE

mcKbill

Boulder climber

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Jul 28, 2006 - 05:18pm PT

lois=kodos?

Lois, Is it possible that you actually know Richard (Dr. Kodos)?

Perhaps you can't say as doing so might be a violation of your profession's ethics (HIPAA act 1996); but, since I've accepted the fact that you are different people I have always been curious to know if it was Dr. K who introduced you to this forum.

If not, lois=kodos is the most excellent troll/counter-troll I have ever experienced.

Whatever the case I like you both.

Bill

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 05:27pm PT

mcKbill

Yo man, how's it goin? It's all getting a bit weird around here, you're not Dingus as well are you?

-Jenna

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 28, 2006 - 05:44pm PT

Colchester pah, the Glen Gardner of England!!

God, I love this thread!

Good Night boys'n'girls

-johnx01

mcKbill

Boulder climber

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Jul 28, 2006 - 06:01pm PT

"Yo man, how's it goin? It's all getting a bit weird around here, you're not Dingus as well are you?"

Only when I skip my dose of chlorpromazine.

Seriously, no...I'm only mcKbill here. I was going to try-on the 'buzzkill' name, but felt bad for hijacking someone else's cool username idea (sorry...I will now go sit on the naughty step for 3 posts)

You crack me up John, as do many other STers.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 28, 2006 - 07:26pm PT

know how you can always tell the really catty bi--hes?
they act all girly, but they don't like flowers.

keep on keepin on w/ the bacon-
i'm sure it will be just fine, long term.

Chaz

Trad climber

So. Cal.

Jul 28, 2006 - 07:46pm PT

Matt sez:

"for the record- i did not delete any of my own posts

ST has decided to delete the real nukes and the flower nukes, apparently. too bad... "

What a Dumb Ass!

If Matt had not wrote the above, he would have earned the benefit of the doubt from me, at least. I would've thought maybe Matt had thought better, and deleted his useless garbage, in the intrest of being polite. I would've thought Fattrad was wrong about Matt, maybe Matt really isn't an @sshole.

Then Matt sets the record straight.

426

Sport climber

Buzzard Point, TN

Jul 28, 2006 - 07:58pm PT

Now's a good time to say "TOTP"...

Chaz

Trad climber

So. Cal.

Jul 28, 2006 - 08:03pm PT

Proves my point.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 28, 2006 - 08:08pm PT

boo hoo hoo (sniff)

497

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 28, 2006 - 08:10pm PT

498
499
500

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 28, 2006 - 08:10pm PT

498
499
500

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 28, 2006 - 08:10pm PT

498
499
500

Loom

climber

Sierra Nevada

Jul 28, 2006 - 08:22pm PT

501

mcKbill

Boulder climber

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Jul 29, 2006 - 12:52am PT

Matt,

There are broken links in your flowers.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 29, 2006 - 02:15am PT

Morning folks

Phew my head hurts, I feel like I've just come down stairs after a really good party, but can't remember a thing -- I mean there's a dead Elk in the garden, what's that about.

And why is there a young teenager boy lying face down over the kitchen table with a bunch of flowers sticking out of his white pimply ass?

Jeez this is gonna take some cleaning up....

I need a coffee

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 29, 2006 - 03:04am PT

LEBus

Sorry to highlight an error in your usual impeccable logic. Regarding that Kilogram thing, I did say it wasn't original, it's one of those things that flies round the internet between like minded people.

Great party last night tho' - what did happen?

-johnx01

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 29, 2006 - 01:47pm PT

Just thought I'd check in, see how we're doing on Locker's magic number project, bump the number a bit. (Does that make me an inflationary agent?)

As it's Saturday morning and I'm working, I thought I'd throw out a somewhat on topic idea. Which is that those who post to this thread during the day on Saturdays and Sundays are less likely to currently be climbers. They may in the past have been climbers, even the very recent past. Yesterday. They may be climbers tomorrow. But maybe they're not climbers today.

Manfully wielding Occam's Razor, I conclude that these people (myself included) may or may not be climbers. They're sort of like Schrodinger's cat - both alive and dead, at the same time. But they're definitely posters, so that part's ok.

Anders

ps Alter ego doesn't work on this thread - pre-existing use of that other guy's name.

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 29, 2006 - 03:03pm PT

mcKbill - Get off the naughty step, saw your post on the 'Yo Matt' thread -- great picture!

Dropped Matt off in a real class area of Liverpool, he was still unconscious, stark naked and the flowers looked a bit wilted but still sticking out of his ass. I reckon some 'pipe hittin bro's' are workin out on his scrawney little ass right now!

The Elk was a bit more of a problem, ever tried getting an elk carcass in the back of a VW estate!

johnx01

Trad climber

Jul 29, 2006 - 03:12pm PT

Anders
I'm not climbing because I'm on call this weekend that's why it all kinda twisted off last night. The hotspell just broke in the UK, it's raining right now, god we need it.

Dingus/LEBus/Janet
You know some games are worth playing for the sheer joy of playing them, it's not winning or losing. But I now have my 'Grand Unified Theorem of Trolldom'. I'll keep that for circa post 660.

Locker mate, it would be great to hear from you.

Tarbuster, dirtineye, Jaybro where are you brothers?

Yo men!

johnx01

goatboy smellz

climber

up a peak without a paddle

Jul 29, 2006 - 03:29pm PT

A little humor I saw this morning.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 29, 2006 - 09:05pm PT

Following on from a few posts back, perhaps those who are neither climbers nor non-climbers should be described as "unclimbers". Sort of like the undead of Dracula - neither alive nor dead. Or, as an older friend describes himself, unsure whether he's a has been or a never was.

This may have thread extension potential. Where do unclimbers fit into the discussion? Whether or not LEB is the same person as dirtineye, or whatever that was all about, what if posters were unclimbers? What about armchair mountaineers? This is starting to get complicated. Perhaps Locker can provide some guidance on these matters.

Anders

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Jul 29, 2006 - 09:31pm PT

DMT:
Here's a classic flight of fancy read for a climber:
"Winter's Tale" by Mark Helpren.

Anyone here read Fata Morgana by William Kotzwinkle? Helprin's imagery in Winter's Tale reminded me of Kotzwinkle's book, which I read a long time ago and liked it so much I sought some other odd books of his (Kotzwinkle's) such as Elephant Bangs Train, Swimmer in the Secret Sea and then finally his novelization of E.T. The Extraterrestrial which had subleties not in the movie but nevertheless marked the end of my Kotzwinkle phase.

sketchy

Trad climber

Vagrant

Jul 29, 2006 - 09:44pm PT

I have seen that truck at rifle. HA HA. (seen it at eldo to though)

mcKbill

climber

Grundy Center

Jul 30, 2006 - 08:10pm PT

In the beginning there was the OP, and it was good , and then there was...WHAT?

...At times this thread expands at an exponential rate. I am sampling load time from various locations in the real world and have determined that it takes a long arse time to load this baby from anywhere: home, work, the internet coffee bar, I must try one of Iowa's many wireless-enabled rest-stops...that's right folks, we got'em, and I drive by a set each time I go to work. I will borrow a wireless enabled notebook from work and give a full report in a week or two(...where will this thread be then?).

In order to conserve energy I've also determined that one has a social responsibility to postup ...that is providing the thread loads successfully. I know some of you are having this problem, but I cannot actually identify with the pain and frustration. You have my sympathies.

Question (a stupit one, but one I've pondered and am not afraid to ask in this drifting context): HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE 'THREAD'?

Background: When you read THREAD on the forum, how does it sound in your head? How do you pronounce it when you say it to others?

I tend to think of it the same way that I pronounce it to others while speaking, "THREED".

johnx01,
I like how you dole-out appropriate punishments...never cruel, never evil, but effective I think. Your use of the nanny-911 punishment, which has been gaining noteriety in the states, is yet another thing you've written that nearly made me spew hot coffee thru my sinuses. Thank you... So, I wanted to quote you and copy/paste your words into the "YoMUtt" threed, but then found that picture on the Nanny's website and thought it would be a more subtle way to say it again. I love the look on that little boy's face...reminds me of some old family pictures of me whining about something now long forgotten.

fattrad,
I agree. You were right about Matthew all along. He may even deserve the nickname you have assigned to him, but he may be worth salvaging should the fellows in London leave anything of him that can speak, remember what day of the week it is, and sadly, know who is President (of the United States). Something LEB might note in his medical chart as 'Oriented X3' I believe.

Okay...I am enjoying this thread very much, but I've decided to take to long posts (not flower-length mind you), but long enough to make it worth the lights dimming in the neighborhood for the 5 minutes it takes to upload/download. Man, the electric meter spins like a 45rpm record whenever I touch this thing. I think the electric company is going to report me to the authorities for the strange increase in power consumption. I'll soon be answering the door and saying, "Honest officer, I'm just posting to this big-arse SuperTaco threed, but I need to see a warrant before you...hey, whadda bustin' in here for...what about the consitution? You want me to sit on what step?"...DOAH!

'Nuf said....

Okay...so, a final question, and this gets at the unclimber thing UPthreed abit, because, well I really identified with that:

BACKGROUND: I've only been to the CLIMBING gym twice. Once to learn how to use the harness and rope and to belay and to fall into the system, and again a week later to proove that I remembered it. They gave me a pretty green belay card, but I have never gone back. Now, since I don't want to climb the gym (and it's an okay place), and since there are few climbers at the local crag, would it be advisable for me to teach myself how to setup a toprope and just go for it provided I can persuade my wife it is safe, as well as fun?

More recent background...The same god that speaks to johnx01 told me,

BILL, TEACH THYSELF TOPROPE ANCHOR BUILDING, BUT ONLY IN THE BOULDERING AREA, AND DO NOT PROGRESS TO THE CLIFFS UNTIL THEE AND THY WIFE HAVE ACHIEVED CONFIDENCE IN YOUR WORK AND KNOW YOUR TECHNIQUE IS GOOD. oH, AND...HELMUTS ARE OPTIONAL.

Should I listen to this God? Are there others who might suggest a different path?

Please advise,

--mcKbill

Lov's you all, and also hoping to see Mr. Locker post-up again soon, when the time is right.

PS: Okay folks let's crank on this threed so we can get to that number that will prompt johnx01 to share his 'Grand Unified Theorem of Trolldom' with us...oh, the anTISapation.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 31, 2006 - 12:29am PT

Sadly, our friend LEB has badly hurt her shoulder, and so may not be able to contribute quite so much to this scintillating thread for a few days. Hopefully she will recover soon, and help with the quest.

This raises a related question. LEB freely claims that she isn't a climber, but posts on ST anyway. I think she is a climber. In her heart of hearts she wants to be a climber. She was maybe thinking about giving it a try. Regardless, she now can't climb, at least for a little while. Due, it should be noted, to an injury common amongst climbers. Doesn't that make her an honourary climber or something? She seems much more interested and engaged than many of the posers and wannabes out there.

Some people will climb for ten years and never be climbers, others may never climb at all, yet still be climbers.

Anders

mcKbill

climber

Grundy Center

Jul 31, 2006 - 07:17am PT

LEB announced her injury in the "Dislocated shoulder" thread

Lois, I wish you a speedy recovery. If you go back to work today please take care to avoid the physical work your profession typically demands. Although I barely qualify as a climber, I agree with Anders, you are a climber at heart. By participating in this forum you have learned much of the language, technique, and ethics of climbing. The responses to your many good questions have been very helpful to me personally. I too nominate you as honorary climber. Get well.

Rokjox,

You sound very familiar with the technical workings of websites and forums that reside within them. I did not consider how a thread like this might clobber the ST bandwidth. Would it help if we removed links to pictures in this tread and kept it to just text only?

--Bill

TradIsGood

Trad climber

Gunks end of country

Jul 31, 2006 - 07:52am PT

Copyright 2006 SuperTopo LLC
All trademarks property of their respective owners
Time to generate this page: 12.85 secs.

If you look all the way down in the fine print, you see a message like above. Taking 13 second to generate a page is just nuts. That is time potentially taken from others.

The page, text alone, is about 1.5 megabytes. The pictures contribute another 2Mbytes.

Perhaps it is now being a bit Muttish to continue posting to this thread and even retrieving it.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 31, 2006 - 01:19pm PT

if you have just read this entire thread-
no offense, but you may be an idiot.

not to worry, as you have plenty of company around here

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 31, 2006 - 01:34pm PT

I love this thread.

Janet is real, haha!

LEB thinks she is real, but actually she exists in a universe of her own creation, where she may actually be real, but in this demention, she could well be a fig newton of someone's imagination...

As for John-boy's question, I was, um, busy, yeah, that's it, this last few days.

Janet, no, I do not think even ST could handle my story about blood, mouths, alcohol, sex, and college. I can't even handle it, after 30+ years. Thank god I was REALLY drunk at the time.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 31, 2006 - 03:54pm PT

To quote the Buster Of Tar™: Good things come to those who weight™.

Speaking of weight, just loaded this thread on my 22 kbps dial-up,
with images and plug-ins turned off. Total time to load the page:

2 minutes, thirty six seconds.

So all you whiners can STFU!

I will test a little later on a cable connection––I think it's still well under a minute, images and all...

Edit:

I just read that fine print on bottom of page and here's what I got:

Copyright 2006 SuperTopo LLC
All trademarks property of their respective owners
Time to generate this page: 183.53 secs.

That's a tad over 3 minutes, although I timed it accurately at 2:36.

WTF?

lazide

Big Wall climber

Bay Area, CA

Jul 31, 2006 - 03:56pm PT

lockers thread is definitely #1 for all time (almost 50% above the next contender!)

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 31, 2006 - 04:49pm PT

HEY, calling people idiots is MY job.

Back off matt, you Fvcking idiot. Find your own gig.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 31, 2006 - 06:04pm PT

dirt- as always, you can have the final say, after all- i did use the qualifier "may" ("...you may be an idiot...")

Here is Jeffrey's contact info:

Jeffrey M. Elfont
1700 North Broadway #401
Walnut Creek, CA 94596
Tel: 925-977-8259
Fax: 925-977-8222
e_mail: jeff@pincapmgmt.com

This is where one can find him during the day:
http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=1700+North+Broadway&csz=walnut+creek%2C+ca&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

Keep passively harrassing people and someone is likely to post up your SS# next...

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Jul 31, 2006 - 06:15pm PT

Apparently those who feel there is something just not right about Matt are right after all.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 31, 2006 - 06:45pm PT

hey, you may never know exactly whom you are talking smack about online. now then, if i really am the antisocial anarchist that jeff is always saying i am, maybe that could come back to bite him...?

i dunno, if it were me, i wouldn't post up all the stuff he does w/ my work email right there, but to each his own!

but don't worry jeff, i would never key your car or anything like that, mostly because i am not some antisocial anarchist, but i really don't mind if you spend time worrying about me keying your car, and if your car (do you drive a nioce car? do you leave it outside most days?) ever did get keyed, i wouldn't really be bothered by the idea that you might wonder if i did it or not... it's such a small world these days.

btw-
do you take pride in your car, jeff?
i'll bet you drive a really nice car.

isn't the internet a wierd place, jeff?
you should try to get out climbing more.
(keeps your sense of humor sharp, can you tell?)

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 31, 2006 - 06:59pm PT

Self-esteem is vitally important––those lucky enough to have it should be eternally thankful...

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 31, 2006 - 07:16pm PT

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/11/23/pie.protest/

btw- when you volunteer, you are not "working shifts", you are/were as much of a cop as shack or hulk hogan, isn't that right?

all talk, all the time, supersize it w/ extra batter on all that fried food, thanks for playin jeff. i am less worried about you than someone whose own personal health might keep them on this earth for a good long time.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 31, 2006 - 07:16pm PT

Matt, why so much vitriol––coming from such a happily married man?

Shouldn't your free time be spent spent fantasizing about your wife?

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 31, 2006 - 07:18pm PT

i'll leave you to fantasize about my wife dave

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 31, 2006 - 07:33pm PT

Haven't seen her in a while...please post a pic to refresh my memory...

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Jul 31, 2006 - 08:06pm PT

"...were all the same..."

those words are an admission that my point is valid, and you were/are just a fat guy w/ a jonz for feeling powerful, and given the opportunity to balance their budget, the sherrif in the low rent part of town is/was happy to let you live out your fantasies on the backs of the po'-black-folks.

you are an open book.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 31, 2006 - 08:26pm PT

Anyway, indeed...

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Jul 31, 2006 - 09:02pm PT

The only reason I'm posting to this thread is that I accidentally have broadband for the day....

I ran into Matt in the High Country last weekend. He's still a good guy and his wife is a babe just as bragged.

Still, I don't vouch for the way Matt or Fatty treat each other on Supertopo. I guess if it's fun for ya'll then swing away. It's funny how things spiral out of control on the net. Once it's "OK" to trash somebody, all of a sudden they are easy to trash.

Somebody find that "Die Thread Die" graphic and post it. Enough!

Peace

Karl

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Aug 1, 2006 - 08:44am PT

I'm the first for August on this thread.

Locker, my condolences about your brother. WoodySt, if you see him before he sees this, please pass on my condolences.

TradIsGood
Please do not drive this thread any higher. I really do not want EDIT: what's his name EDIT to come out of his unannounced (second) retirement. The number of posts on this thread could just push that button…

LOL, Trad, seeing as I have now been convinced by other SuperTacos as well as yourself that what’s his name is your son, perhaps we should heed your warning, as father knows best.

Johnx01, my ex-fiancee and I lived briefly (October 1990 to January 1991) in Tregarth, actually in a collory (sp?) cottage (miner’s cottage) about a 15-minute walk to Tregarth village. We use to do our laundry in Bethesda. I have bouldered and top roped up in the Carneddau area, but don’t ask me what, as I had no guide book and only messed around, showing Marie the ropes. Lovely area.

My late dog (border collie lab mix and like my son) came from Mynthglandengai (sp? big time, the word is even longer than I have spelt it), a speck off the road in the hills above Tregarth. He went on with Marie and me to London and California, where she left me to go back to London where her family was living (Wexford folk like Marie). The dog (Ci, Welsh for dog, original eh?) stayed with me and is now, sadly, buried in the Wicklow mountains near my editor’s family cottage.

Check your e-mail John (as I’m sure you do without any prompting from me).

EDIT

Hey, I don’t think that Matt is all that bad, though I don’t think it is cool posting somebody’s address like he did with Jeff’s. As for Fattrad, he seems that he is okay as well, except for his neo-con tendencies, but we all can’t be perfect.

BTW whoever posted that link (on some thread) to Major General Smedley Darlington Butler’s War is a Racket, thanks. He got it spot on though I am not sure about some of his solutions. Maybe you should read it Fattrad.

Wiki article on the man (so read it with a grain of salt as anything on Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

That map of Walnut Creek makes me wax nostalgic. You can see the hospital I was born in (Kaiser), my schools (St Mary’s, Fairview Intermediate, Del Valle HS – okay not the actual schools but where they are), the road I grew up on (Juanita Drive, just south of the Highway 24 ‘sign’ on the highway).

Maybe it’s time I head back home. I haven’t seen my mom in over ten years, nor my brothers, their families. best friends, their families et al, and with the sad news of Locker’s bro, it makes me think anew, as I love my mother, brothers and friends. (Big time thread drift).

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 1, 2006 - 11:25am PT

You were twelve in 73?

And you thought the rural south was only ten years behind?

MAN, I planted trees in a stip mine reclamation project in about 1975, lived in the south all my life, and going out to the coal area was like going back 20 years or more from Birmingham.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Aug 1, 2006 - 11:30am PT

Just checking, in. from the road.
My news is that my 16 yr old daughter Natalie made it to the top of Devil's Tower yesterday, and life is really f-ing good!!!!!!!! photos to follow.

keep those posts coming in!! 666 is just a blink away.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 1, 2006 - 12:41pm PT

fatguy- anyone who bothers to check your list of recent posts will see that about half of your effort here on ST is spent trashing me. anyone really curious where all this animosity on my part comes from needs only to go back through your 1st 100 or so posts on this site. as far as i am concerned, you have gotten off lightly, so far. fyi- i was careful not to threaten your personal property, but as in most other cases, i am not concerned w/ your take on the matter.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 1, 2006 - 01:38pm PT

here's a nice cross section of fatguys early posts:
http://www.supertopo.com/forumsearch.html?s=ratings&o=ASC&v=0&cur=2800&ftr=id%3A%3A797#list

hey fatguy- regarding how you are in real life- i recall, more than once, offering you the chance to discuss this or that in person, but just as wrt going climbing, or just like your persona on the net, you'd always rather talk a big game.

...and no, you should not expect me to be nice to you, here, or in person.

EDIT-
"please try to act on the net as you would in person, I do"

i challenge you to say to my face many things you have written here. we can meet publicly in the park, or in some parking lot at night, i don't care either way. i will print 20 or so posts in which you have offended me, and you can do the same. i will look you in the eye and say to your face exactly what i have written here on ST. are you man enough to do the same? i highly doubt it, and i don't think you will be pleased with the outcome if you do.

hey, where the hell is locker?

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 1, 2006 - 02:04pm PT

That we would ever meet face to face does not necessarily mean there would be fisticuffs (but if there were, you would have no partner, no gun, and no nightstick- and still you outweigh me by how many hundreds of pounds?)

It seems clear to me that your chicken-shit/hawk mentality is one that somehow allows you to rationalize your own obvious cowardliness, all the while believing that you are some man's-man tough guy. You are simply all talk, and in this case it's just as you said, you are the same here online, and in real life.

The challenge to say those things to my face stands.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 1, 2006 - 02:23pm PT

"Matt,
I most certainly made negative comments about you after you had done likewise"

liar liar, pants on fire
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=42144#msg42427

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Aug 1, 2006 - 02:40pm PT

Hey you two, tone it down, I like both of you even though I have never met either of you. You both have said (as I'd bet we all have at one point or another on this forum) some pretty nasty things, primarily aimed at each other.

I don't know what kind of climbers you are, but when it come to politics I'd usually side with Matt. Fattrad you are too far out there on the right on many issues for my liking. Your self-confessed neo-con activities and agenda are not good for this country. The truth will out on that one.

Your unbridled support for Israel, even what may be at the cost of our country, I find a bit disturbing. For example, how many times has Israel used us and even betrayed us (what about the USS Liberty, just for one example even though it was in 1967, you never answered my question on that one). Sure countries use one another. There is no such thing as altruism in world politics. Ulterior motives are the bread and butter of international affairs. But still, your views on the US-Israel relationship I find a bit perturbing.

Your very anti-Islamic views I find distasteful in several ways, even if you may be partially correct (but not as much as you think IMO) that there are headcases in the Islamic world who want a new Caliphate. There are also enough extremist fundamentalists in Christianity and Judaism.

of my pragmatic view of the world (now coming to fruition), you have been proven wrong and now must live with what you have written

Pragmatic? Pick another word Fattrad.

“Now coming to fruition”. Perhaps because much of it is being driven by people in power whose agenda is well suited by a conflict in the Middle East, so why avoid one. In fact, flame the fires now raging both in the Middle East and the Islamic world. Keep throwing gasoline on them and soon those fires will be raging in Europe, America and elsewhere.

Is that what your kind really want? If so, it’s pretty sick and downright greedy, selfish and anti-humankind.

Read “War is a Racket” by Major General Smedley Darlington Butler. Considering his experience and knowledge, I’d say it is one of the best treatsies on the issue, especially considering when he wrote it. I can only surmise that he’d be turning over in his grave at the neo-con agenda.

As for you Matt, you can get sort of nasty as well, but because our political views are not so dissimilar (though how close they are I’m not sure), I’ll cut you a bit more leeway.

Now, the sun is out (for how long?) and I'll be on the rock within the hour for an hour or so.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Aug 1, 2006 - 03:04pm PT

I'm curious Jeff, why should Matt seek psychiatric help? And not you? He hasn’t been baying for human blood, war and human misery like you have in just about every political post on this forum.

Are you so positioned professionally to be saying if someone should seek out psychiatric help? With the exception of some vitriolic posts, primarily aimed at you, he hasn’t really exhibited any psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies. None that I could discern in the year plus I have been posting here. I do find some of the things he says distasteful but not any more than some things you have posted.

I will say, however, that most of your venom is aimed at Matt, and hardly any others, while Matt is not as selective and has been caustic to a handful.

As far as I can tell, but who am I, I ain't no shrink?

And I really am headed off to the crags right now. No more Supertopo for me this evening. Make hay while the sun shines, and in Ireland that is not as often as in California.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Aug 1, 2006 - 03:09pm PT

Just tested page load time from a 4 megabit cable connection, with images and ads set to load:

Thirty eight seconds flat!

Knott bad...

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 1, 2006 - 03:14pm PT

i'll grant that this is tedious, so after this post i am done (until further provoked) w/ this.

as of now, you have posted 2886 times on ST. this link show posts 2800-2825. your posts in the thread that i just linked to above appear in the 2820's, indicating that your ST career was only 60+ posts long at the time.
http://www.supertopo.com/forumsearch.html?s=ratings&o=ASC&v=0&cur=2800&ftr=id%3A%3A797#list

on that list, you can just look at the words that show up in each item, you don't even have to bother to open the links to see i'm right, and that you are, as always, full of (sh)it.

just as DMT stated above, your MO is that you intentionally provoke and harrass, and in my case, your tactics were nearly without boundry. i find it entertaining to no end that you now sit back like some sort of statesman and profess to be offended by me or my attitude toward you, please...

you still attempt to point some e-finger at me, claiming to have been the one who was unjustly brow beaten by me, but your posts are there for the record (as are mine), read 'em and weap.

finally, you are now and will forever continue, to be DUCKIN ME.

i disrespect you
i dislike you
i distrust you
i disagree w/ you

if i could diss you any further, i would.

Tradboy

Social climber

Valley

Aug 1, 2006 - 03:30pm PT

Does anyone else think that this tiff is getting a little outrageous???

562 and counting...

Tahoe climber

climber

Texas to Tahoe

Aug 1, 2006 - 04:15pm PT

Been wondering what was going on over on this thread to make it go so long. Skim to the bottom, and it's just same old fatty and matty bickering!
What gives?

*yawn*

Ouch!

climber

Aug 1, 2006 - 04:31pm PT

Ouch!

climber

Aug 1, 2006 - 04:33pm PT

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 1, 2006 - 05:11pm PT

"I have had many thoughtful dialogs with St'ers"

so then, you think people think of you as "thoughtful"?

snicker snicker giggle giggle

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 1, 2006 - 06:50pm PT

fratso-

newsflash: you don't get to come around and be as distasteful as possible, then try to decide for other people what is or is not distasteful.

i hope that stuff bothers you-
i hope it really really bothers you-
i want you looking over your shoulder, wondering if what comes around will be going around anytime soon.

did you see that pie in the face link?

i wonder what i could really get away with, you know, without breaking any serious laws or anything...

betchya you'll be at this too-
http://www.contracostagop.com/press/index.cfm/ID/36.htm

you gonna drive that nice car of yours?

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 1, 2006 - 07:08pm PT

"I may not be thoughtful"

well i may have overstated the case when i said above, "i disagree w/ you", as if it were in every posible case. indeed i do agree w/ you, if just this one time.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Aug 2, 2006 - 12:20am PT

well gosh-
i must say you two boys, fatty and matty, may have overtaken LEB and whats'ername... Jenna,
and placed the male bonding/bashing impetus up there above the pedestrian femme fate-toll catfight.

weel done!
thanx for restoring the crown to the lads.
carry on.

so,
johnx,
to answer your question,
whence Tarbuster?
or Tarbousier as i like to call myself?

'tis a mystery, even to me.
but I surely derived it, so I googled it to see what's up,
or to see what's in a name as it were.

yup, pages 'n pages following a single product that cuts, well, tar or sledge.
or maybe it's "just jive"...

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Aug 2, 2006 - 08:49am PT

You really are a hard nut to crack...

Priceless.

EDIT
Jewish Outreach Co-chair Bush/Cheney '04
AIPAC Board Member (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC (again, it's wikipedia so a grain of salt)

I dunno, thinka Gibson was right? About who starts wars? Fattrad has been advocating war in just about every one of his posts, at least in his non-climbing posts... at least in his political posts.

But nah, greed, power and the desire to control people through either force/coercion, money and/or religion, that's what starts conflicts and wars.

Can't blame that on any one group, though some are more to blame than others such as the neo-cons and their support bodies such as the Project for the New American Century, fundamentalists, neo-liberals, and religious fanatics (on all sides – Christian, Muslim, Hindi, etc).

And Gibson falls into one of those categories, I mean, who the hell builds a chapel in their backyard just to listen to a Latin mass. Religious devotion is one thing but in my book, that steps over the line. The guy is bonkers just like all those scientologists, I mean 75 million years ago DC-10s were used to transport billions of people to earth? Yeah, I can believe that... as science fiction.

To each their own, as long as it doesn't affect my liberty and freedom. Unfortunately, some of these nuts and greedy b*stards are doing just that.

People who hold real Republican values should just kick the neo-cons out and tell them to start their own party, something like The Party To Strip America Of Her Liberty (PSAHL), or DAFT (Die American Freedom, Today).

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?

Aug 2, 2006 - 08:11pm PT

Matt wrote,

"just as DMT stated above, your MO is that you intentionally provoke and harrass, and in my case, your tactics were nearly without boundry."

What have you done to Dave Buchanan in person to cause him such anger towards you?

Matt, the stuff you wrote about me from the formerly-anonymous username FREEclimber was cowardly, divisive, inflammatory, and untrue. I could use your very words above against you in reference to me.

As it stands, if I ever run into you face to face, I will beat the sh#t out of you.

However, I would also accept an apology were you to offer one.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 2, 2006 - 08:43pm PT

i responded to that before Pedro- when i told you that I simply thought you ought to have been willing to stand up for yourselfand explain yourself.

you were being run out of one town (rc.c) on a rail, accused by many of being both abusive toward women and at least sexually forward toward young (underaged) women- (and at that time it was not like the more recent "discostu" event here, where it was apparently one poster w/ many names). some of the stuff that was going around was pretty severe, and yet you initially refused to even say that what was being said about you was false, you just kept posting "come learn from me" stuff, which in combination w/ the other was even creepier.

all that criminal stuff may have been groundless- or it may have had some foundation, but been blown out of porportion, but to tell the truth i tired of it all long before it ever became clear, if it ever did. as i recall- and this was years ago- all i ever did was harrass you over addressing it, at one point going so far as posting the same comment repeatedly, right after many of your posts, stating that i was not into young girls, and i thought everyone who was also not into young girls ought to be willing to come right out and say so (btw- wouldn't you agree w/ that statement, in general?). several people who knew that was me sent me emails telling me they felt the same way and encouraging me to continue. i only stopped when cmac sent me an email, saying i could harrass you all i wanted but to quit w/ posting the same thing redundantly.

EDIT
as i type i am remembering little tidbits-
wasn't there something about some teenager by the deli? a 15 year old, if i recall? and you had stated in a post that all you had done was to make some comment to her about wondering what it would be like to kiss her? what i recall was that you also stated seperately that you had dropped that line on a woman whom you later married, and i had pointed out that you were then saying that you used a line that had once been successful for you, very successful in fact, on a girl that was clearly underage---? anyway, i don't remember the specifics, i just remember linking your comments and making that connection in my post.
/EDIT

as far as an apology, i am not offering you one. if you caught unfair flack, i think it is/was obvious to many casual observers that the somewhat smarmy internet persona that you apparently reveled in (noticeably less so since i last called you on it) was a unique catalyst for those allegations to fester upon. would you deny that? it certainly was not my fault that you were kicked off that other site and accused of emailing cheerleaders dirty questions, but i for one thought it was pretty strange that you just started posting like mad around here and didn't bother to deny anything at all about the other site or what those people were posting on ST about you.

(hey locker- great thread man)

my point is, you don't see people accused of that sort of thing every day. i have never been so accused, nor had anyone i have ever heard of, save for you... and yet we know that there are a certain # of some sort of predator types that are successful in baiting and luring young gilrs on the web, we see it on the news all the time.

why should someone who has never heard of you be willing to spend hours or days in researching some whacked out extended drama on another site, just to not feel uncomfortable with you?

i personally know/knew more than one woman who was at best reluctant to vouch for you at the time, and what one told me about her own experience was enough for me not to give you a free pass. you could have just sucked it up and addressed it sooner than you did, as i recall you simply didn't respond to all sorts of stuff where people were posting their stories and whatnot and calling you out. my goal at the time was to not let you ignore it until they got bored of it- i was less tham comfortable w/ that, and i stand by that opinion now.

EDIT
if you were ever able to demonstrate where i ever accused you of anything that i didn't specifically say was what someone else was saying, and if my posts were ever so overzealous that i became the accuser and not the harrasser that i have described, then i would offer an apology specifically for that behavior (as really i was just hearing this stuff second hand, albeit a slew of second hand stuff was being said), but i do not recall ever playing that role.
/EDIT

since you brought this all up, and since locker needs another 100 posts...

so what was the result of all of that? seems like you'd have sued someone? didn't you find god and become a new man? i think i remember a vague type of statement where you simply said you were all square w/ god and so it was all good (so what exactly did she forgive you for?)

EDIT
btw- i was reminded of that when you started in the "crusade" to defend the WoS crew, and i was curious how much of your interest was/is generated by a shared faith, and your interest in helping out their legacy for that reason. not that that has any bearing, i think that's a fascinating story.
/EDIT

btw- if you want to run into me, just ask me where i plan to be, i am not hard to find, but beware, while i may not be a big bruiser, i don't fight fair. still, you can take your best shot if you like.

as for that other guy you asked about, i guess he has his own issues.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Aug 2, 2006 - 09:10pm PT

I've been deep undercover this last week, coming back, gotta say this sh#t is lame. Fat, Matt, get a room, take pppete if need be.

Let's get back to Julie Newmar, or literature, or something.

I actually met Grace Slick once. I was working as a delivery driver at a pharmacy in San Francisco, it was the year the Gondola crashed in Vail.
"I don't want to take you from your work, but Grace Slick is out in the front of the store," said my usually weasel-like boss.

I didn't think she was particularly hot,(not on a Julie Newmar, or Peggy Fleming, scale) but as a hardcore deadhead I Had to pay attention.
She bought a stack of sleazy, life of the stars-like magazines.
"Look, I'm buying fidy (first time I heard it)bucks worth of junk mags."
Not that impressive in person, at all. But man, what a voice!! Cool car, too! First Aston Martin I ever touched! Some of her art is cool, as well.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 2, 2006 - 09:16pm PT

jaybro- a breath of fresh air, i'm out...

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?

Aug 2, 2006 - 09:18pm PT

Good idea, Jaybro. Lee Meriweather and Julie Newmar were definitely cut of the same [slippery wet black] cloth, but what the heck were they doing picking Eartha Kitt as the third Catwoman?

Clearly that was when Batman jumped the shark, that and when Batgirl showed up.

I miss Janet. She's real. And hot. Real hot. [please excuse non-adverb]

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Aug 2, 2006 - 09:24pm PT

Lee Meriwether, thats the one I was trying to remember! (no, we're not old)

How come this giant thread still still loads like a young pup of, say 60 posts, when others have ground out at much smaller numbers.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Aug 2, 2006 - 11:02pm PT

Did someone say "Julie Newmar"?

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?

Aug 2, 2006 - 11:17pm PT

This is catastrophic - am I the only one who confuses Julie Newmar and Lee Meriweather?

You know, even today at age 68, I wouldn't kick Lee out of my litterbox. Lee at right, Julie at left [also 68] and Eartha at 77.

I must be going catatonic.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 3, 2006 - 02:53am PT

pretty quick leap from sh#t-beating to catwomen

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Aug 3, 2006 - 03:42am PT

No animal stories for the moment, but I'll think of something.

In the meantime, I'm flabbergasted that some (apparently) right wing fundamentalists (some Christian) are posting to a thread, the avowed goal of which is 666 postings. This ain't looking good. What if this causes the appearance of the Great Beast? Is one of us the GB? (Not THAT GB!)

When you know who started his rants, I felt the End Times were on us for sure. Or at least like ending it all. And now, 666 is upon us. Eeek! I must check out Revelations - bound to be lots of good stuff there that would inform this discussion. We're in crackpot territory here - BEWARE!!!

There may still be an underlying unity to the thread. (Ok, Werner, UNITY.) Bringing together the many superficially dissimilar sub-themes into one great flow - character assassination, pet stories, bad jokes, pin ups, politics, and on and on. Even some climbing. A microcosm of our campfire, all in one place. Thesis + antithesis = synthesis.

Perhaps there is PURPOSE to this thread, and MEANING! Stay tuned!

Anders

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Aug 3, 2006 - 07:07am PT

That Eartha is frightening. Looking at that pic is going to give me nightmares tonight. However, she is apparently a strong and outspoken woman, even to this day (IMDB has her being born in 1927, an illegitimate child of a white dirt farmer and a black Cherokee). I’d bet she would give Dubya a good hiding, verbally and physically. Now that would be a dream, not a nightmare.

Saw a recent picture of Lee Meriwether on imdb.com. Very attractive woman at 71. Newmar hasn’t aged as well but not bad for a woman of her age.

Pass the Piton Pete, according to IMDB, Newmar is two years older than Meriwether, not the same age as you state. Of course, I have seen some incorrect info on IMDB before (not much), so perhaps you are correct.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Aug 3, 2006 - 09:29am PT

My Brothers Dog Layla (RIP) a Dingo/Elkhound mix, loved to jump out of the car and roll in the dead Alewives-sp (a fish) on the shores of lake Michigan, when they would drive to Chicago.

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Aug 3, 2006 - 09:32am PT

That Eartha Kit photo looks pretty scary, but she does seem the most in character.

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 3, 2006 - 09:46am PT

Ertha Kitt has more talent than the other two plus several more combined.

She was quite a singer, and very funny. We used to have some of her records back in the 60's. There was this song she did about being an old fashioned girl who wanted an old fashioned mmi-millionaire. It cracked us up.

In the 60's she was also very pretty and elegant.

But yeah, who DIDN'T have the hots for Julie Newmar as Catwoman?

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 3, 2006 - 12:54pm PT

you are such a self important windbag
hey locker, let's make the goal 800

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Aug 3, 2006 - 01:14pm PT

600!!

Do I get a prize?

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 3, 2006 - 01:31pm PT

56 seconds at an average of 75 kb per sec. SOmething slowed the transfer today though. Yesterday was getting 38 seconds at over 100 kb/s

mcKbill

climber

Grundy Center

Aug 3, 2006 - 02:22pm PT

I am enjoying the drift a great deal, and wish to throw in a bit more...

I am on vacation taking care of my grandma, who is one of my favorite people in the world. I'm doing this while my father and step mom are on their vacation, and the only reason I mention this is because as I sit at the office window typing from my notebook computer I notice my dad has kept a picture of Delicate Arch hanging to the left of the window...it is the March 2005 page of the Camp Grove (Illinois) State Bank Calendar.

Just doing my part to push this threed up to 660 when I hope we will all get to read John's 'grand unified theorum of trolldom'. I think I may be reluctant to visit after the stated goal, but probably will as this baby keeps loading without dimming the lights in town too bad. Maybe our esteemed host rented out extra rack space just for this here threed.

Later friends,

--mcKbill

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 3, 2006 - 03:54pm PT

I am very interested in John-boyx01's grand unified troll theory.

Hey, if you know a troll's position, can you also know it's velocity?

And I see no reason why this thread can't grow without bound, given enough determined posters, and one little tip:

WHile this one is loading, fire up another window to do your normal prowling, LOL!

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Aug 3, 2006 - 04:00pm PT

Cheap bump.

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 3, 2006 - 04:42pm PT

That was beneath you Patrick.

Shameless bump.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Aug 3, 2006 - 09:29pm PT

i resemble that comment, but i don't resent it!

i'm suckin' this thing through a 54 k swizzle stick and it loads in just under a minute. (2 minutes to view a post).

i think it's loading even better now that fatty and matty have simmered down.

lee meriweather may have had the best catpersonality...

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 4, 2006 - 08:59am PT

YOu idiot, how can you complain about thread drift in a thread that is 600 posts long?

And WHY would you make a climbing post in a thread about posters not being climbers?

One of these days, Locker, to the moon!

scuffy b

climber

Chalet Neva-Care

Aug 4, 2006 - 12:53pm PT

Welcome back, Locker (belatedly, I know). You weren't really
complaining about the thread drift, were you?
Wasn't it more like chuckling, shaking head, saying "these dang
kids..."
Which reminds me--after all the formulation changes over the decades, isn't it impressive that Coppertone still smells the
same as it did in the Old Times?
For that matter, if you got a whiff of Sea & Ski (it's extinct
isn't it?) I'd bet you could recognize it in the first second!
And what kind of dog goes around trying to undress little girls?
sm

johnx01

Trad climber

Aug 4, 2006 - 04:20pm PT

Yo (wo)Men

Just checked myself out of the local hospital, is this thread cursed or what! Lois, out, injured with her shoulder and all that. It turned out I had to have re-constructive surgery on my jaw after it hit the keyboard last week when Janet accidentally signed her post DMT.

Right back to Troll Allgebra

Janet != DMT

That's (!) as in the negation. I mean no way man! He's good but not that good. BTW PTPP could you expand on that 'hot' bit, I mean how hot is hot! Anyway I'm gonna look that girl up for my next piece of cosmetic dental work.

Mckbill - great work
fattrad - excellent
Matt - how the hell did you get out of Liverpool in one piece

Good to see all the old guys back in harness. Locker-man get your acceptance speech ready! It's gonna happen, 666 here we come.

I wanna do the closing credits, please let me do post 667, the closing credits, please, please, please, please!

You know you couldn't do this in Britain, this is great, 666 here we come.

Lois, hope you are OK, sent you a mail. john-xBoy != Jenna, honest girl. It was a crazy time.

-John

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Aug 4, 2006 - 04:24pm PT

Yeah Dirtineye, that was a shameless bump.

So is this one.

EDIT

Okay, okay just so I don't be accused of being a cheap, shameless bumper I'll post something of worth (or not).

Fattrad, revving up for another battle with Matt?

ANOTHER EDIT (I'd actually put up a new post asking this question but then I'd probably cement my reputation as a cheap, shameless bumper.)

What happens after post 666? Rapture?

johnx01

Trad climber

Aug 4, 2006 - 04:27pm PT

Ouch

You're weird, BUT sometimes I see these things, that just ain't right, Can I describe them to you and could you, maybe do one of your picture things, to help me out, a sort of therapy thing, couldya, couldya?

-J

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

St. Louis

Aug 4, 2006 - 09:37pm PT

Hey Locker, I dig you too. And thanks to OUCH! on the parrot/crimpie photo. When I ever start to wonder if I should cut my hair, or dye it RED, or perm it, one look at that photo stops me cold.

mcKbill

climber

Grundy Center

Aug 4, 2006 - 09:45pm PT

Favorite leftovers?

Navy bean soup, chili, pizza (cold, for breakfast).

Least favorite leftovers?

Any previoulsy hot food with lettuce in it.

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 4, 2006 - 10:50pm PT

If I get a shot at number 666, I'll do a Dingus style tell all about my ex-wife.

Here's a sample:

Basically, I SHOULD have left the Dvmb Fvcking Cvnt (she's not dumb, but definitely the other two) when I got offered a chance to work with a maestro in Cremona, not once but twice, but no, I stayed in the marrage.

Then she leaves me on the second cancer spin with these words: "I'm moving to _ and you are not coming." Two weeks after saying, "I'll never leave you.".

Jaybro

Social climber

The West

Aug 4, 2006 - 11:56pm PT

Great vignette Dingus! I love this stuff, and can't wait for more. And, as a landlord, I can say I say I've had worse tennents than your Tn personna!

"An opportunity came up to sleep in a Stockton couch till I could get on my feet." -descent into a Maelstrom? Depends on the start, I guess.

johnx01

Trad climber

Aug 5, 2006 - 04:38pm PT

mcKbill

favourite: pizza, roast chicken
least favourite: beer

How's yer Gran?

-johnx01

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Aug 5, 2006 - 04:57pm PT

You're all a bunch of Broadband crazy losers!

mcKbill

climber

Grundy Center

Aug 5, 2006 - 07:00pm PT

johnx01,

Granny Aina is doing great. She told me, absolutely no leftovers...I guess that's a carry-over food prejudice from surviving the Great Depression. Tonight we had McDonalds Filet O'Fish and coleslaw from Colonel Chicken (two thumbs up).

Karl,

I feel your pain...or at least I used to, or could again if I decided. Now get yerself a wireless-enabled notebook computer and camp out at one of Iowa's maNy stylin' broadband servin' rest stops. Is this country great or what?

Well, considering our clueless leader I may have to reconsider.

Onward

--mcKbill

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Aug 5, 2006 - 09:38pm PT

Lisa had the female trail running competition for leftovers tehday,
1st place at Lory Colorado Sate Park 10.5 Miler Trail Race, $150 in Pockit'
LOL.

Meanwhile, I werked some horse's hairs outa my tooths.

Upon return to Chez Tarbousier, I rubbed her feeties and dutifully ran laps on the top 7 threads here at McTopo.

My homewerk assignment is to read DMT's latest ADD challenge post.

For extra points, I'd luv to be able to score an ID of Locker's Taquitz route:
OK Locker, blind stab 3 beers in the face try.
-El Camino Real?

Ouch!

climber

Aug 5, 2006 - 11:33pm PT

"Ouch

You're weird, BUT sometimes I see these things, that just ain't right, Can I describe them to you and could you, maybe do one of your picture things, to help me out, a sort of therapy thing, couldya, couldya?"

I ain't seen nuthin right in 50 years.

Ouch!

climber

Aug 6, 2006 - 12:13am PT

Locker, here are my only glasses. Do you think it's time for some new ones or just fresh Scotch tape?

johnx01

Trad climber

Aug 6, 2006 - 01:38pm PT

Ouch

Those glasses, mid eighties vintage, am I right? Not bad for climbing I seem to remember as the lenses were quite large you had decent focus looking down, unlike fashionable glasses today where the lenses are so-oo small.

DMT

A lovestruck romeo sing a streetsuss serenade
Laying everybody low with a lovesong that he made
Finds a convenient street light steps out of the shade
Says something like you and me babe how about it?

More of a Clash man myself.

Cheers

-johnx01

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Aug 6, 2006 - 02:05pm PT

dingus!
"Comin' to Cali'" was an awesome read.

johnx01

Trad climber

Aug 6, 2006 - 02:16pm PT

mcKbill

Yep, I'm frequently shamed by that generations respect for food and the frugality with which they treat it. The zero waste option doesn't seem to fit in to the modern way of life. I guess it's pretty ingrained in my parent/grand parents generation as they went through food rationing in WWII. Strangely this generation has been identified as one of the most healthy in the UK.

-johnx01

johnx01

Trad climber

Aug 6, 2006 - 02:40pm PT

locker-man

You started this baby, you are finishin' it. I vote you get post 666.

-johnx01

I wanna do 667, the credits.

When's Janet back? God my jaw aches!

Ouch!

climber

Aug 6, 2006 - 03:50pm PT

I don't appreciate people making fun of my glasses.

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 6, 2006 - 04:53pm PT

Broadband crazy losers?

Who's the one waiting on dialup to post 7 or 8 words?

Come on john-boyx01, time for another of your funny bits.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Aug 6, 2006 - 05:58pm PT

Yes, by all means, some more good storytelling,
...Before Jenna returns to scratch away on Lois,
...And lest we see too soon another installment of the Fatty Matty Hissy.

dirtineye

Trad climber

the south

Aug 6, 2006 - 06:43pm PT

LOL, Tar-Baby, you are in rare form today!

Ouch!

climber

Aug 6, 2006 - 06:49pm PT

Ouch!

climber

Aug 7, 2006 - 12:33am PT

Ouch!

climber

Aug 7, 2006 - 12:34am PT

Locker.........apology accepted.

Ouch!

climber

Aug 7, 2006 - 12:58am PT

Ouch!

climber

Aug 7, 2006 - 01:24am PT

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Aug 7, 2006 - 02:53am PT

janet-
thanks, i think

Ouch!

climber

Aug 7, 2006 - 04:54am PT

johnx01

Trad climber

Aug 7, 2006 - 05:50am PT

I think we should franschise this 666 thing on 666 sites on the interweb, like some kind of pyramid scheme. That's me done, till the credits........

-johnx01

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Aug 7, 2006 - 09:02am PT

Man, you folks were busy over the weekend. 664 here?

I was surprised to see how often the North Buttress of Mt. Goode is climbed. Almost as much as the class 2 SE Slope.

johnx01

Trad climber

Aug 7, 2006 - 09:38am PT

What if posters on ST were not CLimbers???
THE END

The Cast
locker = locker
Jody = Jody
Ouch = Ouch (All Photo shop work copyright Ouch Inc)
Dingus Milktoast = DMT and a cast of thousands
caughtinside = caughtinside
Trashman = Trashman
Patrick Sawyer = Irish Correspondant
Nefarius = Nefarius
ShortTimer = ShortTimer
JuanDeFuca = JuanDeFuca
guynman = guynman
Mimi = Mimi
fattrad = fattrad
LEB = LEB
Long Winded Deer = LEB
Janet = Janet
crotch = crotch
JOEY.F = JOEY.F
JAK = JAK
Russ Walling = Russ Walling
Wonder = Wonder
Slakkey = Slakkey
Anders Ouram = Anders Ouram
Anastasia = Anastasia
Captain Hartouni & The Spiders = Ed Hartouni
TradIsGood = TradIsGood
Karl Baba = Karl Baba
Teth = Teth
d-know = d-know
Jaybro = Jaybro
Crimpergirl = Crimpergirl
That Annoying Limey = johnx01
Richard = Richard
wootles = wootles
Rokjox = Rokjox
426 = 426
Hawkeye, aka razorboy = Gary
Jacob = Jacob
dirtineye = dirtineye
Tarbuster = Tarbuster
Tony Blair = Himself
George Bush = Himself
wootles Gigantic Ass = wootles
GOclimb = GOclimb
Sean Connery = Himself
The Feisty One = Jenna Johnson
Catwoman = Janet, Michelle Pfiefer, Julie Newmar(her pantyhose and bra) Lee Merriweather, Eartha Kitt
'Stout' mcKbill = mcKbill
happiegrrl = happiegrrl
BURT BRONSON = ?
Bearer of Solemn News = WoodySt
k-man = k-man
Hardman Knott = Hardman Knott
Roger Breedlove = Roger Breedlove
Matt( and his Flowers) = Matt
The Elk = Maud
Chaz = Chaz
Loom = Loom
goatboy smellz = goatboy smellz
Chiloe = Chiloe
sketchy = sketchy
lazide lazide
Tradboy = Tradboy
Remorseful 'Pass the Pitons' Pete = 'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Tahoe Climber = Tahoe Climber
radical = radical
Sewellymon = Sewellymon

No Trolls, elks, donkeys, spiders, genetically modified parrots, dogs, bears, monkeys or teenagers were harmed during the making of this thread.

LEB - "I have trouble following your posts because they are so complex and long"
locker - "IDIOT!!!"

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

St. Louis

Aug 7, 2006 - 09:46am PT

Bwahahahaaa! Locker the baboon. If you come near me with that shiny a$$ I'll have to put some hurt on you!

Ouch, aside from being a great artist, is psychic. I just put my glasses back on today since I'm shifting back into work (well, look like I'm working) mode.

I'm going to search my home for hidden cameras tonight....

Blitzo

Social climber

Earth

Aug 7, 2006 - 10:38am PT

666, the number of the beast!

Gee, I missed it!

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Aug 7, 2006 - 06:57pm PT

congrats locker.

hey, i'm outa the loop,
too busy here to git familiar with todd's site just yet.

whence the moniker locker?
like lock'er up an toss the key?
er, like great finger locks? (nah, too pedestrian)

hmmm?

Jacob

Trad climber

yucky valley

Aug 7, 2006 - 08:17pm PT

never heard that story before.....

baby tool did a mayville on me once! got a f*#king sticker in my harness right above my ass crack... good times good times

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Aug 8, 2006 - 10:25am PT

So where are we number wise? I guess I'll know once I post this.

EDIT

679

and 20 seconds to load page (on ADSL)

ANOTHER EDIT

Okay, for those techies out there, am I correct in assuming that once 15:00 or thereabouts (24-hour clock, 3pm otherwise) hits here in Ireland the internet slows down as far as loading pages – eight hour time difference to the West Coast - so I figure that it is because the West Coast is waking up and going online.

This does happen BTW, the net slows down noticeably, after 15:00 Irish time. Would a large online population such as the West Coast of North America make a difference to internet speed?

Wild Bill

climber

Mar 28, 2007 - 04:58pm PT

Yes, Patrick, I think so. I wonder if it can be rigged to avoid the delay?

What is this thread about, anyway?

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Mar 29, 2007 - 01:02am PT

It's the thread about nothing, and a beaut, too. What happened to JohnX01?

Mimi

climber

Mar 29, 2007 - 01:17am PT

I have even more nothing to add.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Mar 29, 2007 - 09:53am PT

Well, that photo thread is starting to gain on us. Less than 40 posts away. Locker, call out the troops!

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Mar 29, 2007 - 11:25am PT

well Dingus is trying to get something out of nothing, I'll play....

I mean, what's the deal with 666 itself? What's up with that? Can you splain?

it would be surprising if DMT didn't already have some idea and was counter-trolling LEB, or at least putting out the bait.

But, the "deal" has to do with Christian and Jewish mysticism... and references in the Bible (both testaments), e.g.:

"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

from Rev. 13:18 of the King Jame's bible. Someplaces this is 616, and is generally thought to be code for Nero. Since the writers didn't want to name names, and then deal with the political fallout.

However, the considerable ambiguity of the code and intention, and the long forgotten assignment had led to a very diverse set of speculation regarding the meaning.

Finding this in the Wikipedia article and perhaps relevant to the contemporary Taco poster avatar pantheon:

'Aleister Crowley (1875–1947) claimed that he was the Beast prophesised in the Book of Revelation and took the name “?? ???? ??????”, Greek for “The Great Beast”, which adds up to 666 by isopsephy, the Greek form of gematria.[16][17]'

So I want to know if posting a welcome to long departed climbers actually does work in getting them out of their "lurking" state.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Mar 29, 2007 - 11:42am PT

Any good climbing off of US Route 666? I read they were thinking of changing the number on that highway awhile back.

C4C

Social climber

ADKS, NY

Mar 29, 2007 - 12:06pm PT

I once heard that Ronald Reagan was the antichrist because all three of his names started with the same letter and all were 6 letters long? weird.

John Moosie

climber

Mar 29, 2007 - 02:17pm PT

Locker, you are being swayed by the darkside. Come back, come back, don't listen to L. She just wants to control you and you KNOW that free spirits shouldn't be controled. Where would the Television world be without the show about nothing " Friends" ? That show united the world in nothing. You want us to be united don't you? Its really this thread that united us. NOT that silly thread with pictures. Knott that there is anything wrong with pictures, but the indians were right, pictures steal your soul. So don't give in to Ls persuasions, although I might give in and go to the otherside because, well, lets face it. Our side has pictures of Woodys rear and thier side has pictures of Nita, and Crimpie, and BB, and L, and Mimi, and Ekat and Crusher ( mercy, who thought she was a gorgeous woman ) oh.......I feel so confused.........must resist....must not give in.......LOCKER.....HELP ME. We can do it......Nothing must win out over community and caring. We are the Lords of Nothing. ( reference to Fatties post about Lords of War and Lords of Peace ) We must prevail if Nothing is to survive.

Rally round you good and cheerful folks. Come to the AID of NOTHING..... TRADitionally NOTHING has been the domain of REAL climbers. Photos are for SPORT. CHOOSE your side........

mojede

Trad climber

Butte, America

Mar 29, 2007 - 02:31pm PT

Going for the 700.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Mar 29, 2007 - 03:43pm PT

This thread is too classic to die. For one, it contains the best taco post of all time, courtesy of JohnX01:

The aircon hummed in the reception room of the LEB Suite in the Glen Gardener County Hospital, Dr Lois read the case notes carefully.

He'd been brought in bound and gagged by two guys in a pick-up truck, the nurse thought there names were Wuss Ralling and Dingus Cheesecake, but it appeared to be quite a confused situation.

That was four days ago, since then he'd been tied to a bed in his 'tighty whities' in the foetal position, babbling incomprehensibly.

The intercom buzzed, it was Janet, her clipped Canadian accent announced she was on her way up with the patient. Dr Lois stood up and stepped round the front of her desk.

All her years of practice could not have prepared her for this, Janet stepped into the room holding the long bony hand of a dwarfish, sinewy, 'gollum' like figure with wide staring eyes. Their eyes locked as she spoke "Hello Locker, I'm Lois it's so nice to meet you". A wave of terror washed over his face, his eyes rolled and a ruvulet of spittal leaked from the corner of his mouth and down his chin.

No normal medicine could treat this 'creature', she lead him out to her ceremonial teepee in the grounds of the GGCH. Like an animal she tethered him to the shamanic totem and stepped into the tent. Humming to herself she unbuttoned her floral dress and let it drop to the floor, she scooped something from a clay jar near the fire pit and started to smear her body with bear fat. After rubbing cold ashes into the fat, she commenced the mystic painting of her body, finally she kicked off her sandals and slipped on her psychic elk skin moccasins, she picked up her shamanic drum and stepped out into the sunlight as 'Long Winded Dear' Shaman of the Shushoni, magical healer, warrior of the other world, she started to beat her drum and dance around poor old Locker.

Three days and three nights she fought those demons, when it was over she slept for 48 hours solid and was woken by a nurse telling her that Locker had just made his first post on SuperTaco, it was commenting on a slight mis-spelling in another post, it was polite and grammatically correct, she
smiled to herself at a job well done.

Over the next week Locker's post grew in content and volume, people were amazed at the transformation, carefully thought out theories on climbing ethics, a discourse on Ancient Greek attitudes to the State. She did not post, just read and wondered at her patient's progress. Ten days later she had just finished reading Locker's last post(2 Gigabytes) on Metaphysical Bouldering, a tightly woven and carefully argued treatise on Bouldering and American Foreign Policy, she could resist no longer, she logged onto ST and posted..............

Author:
LEB
climber
From: Glen Gardner

Locker,

What an interesting theory WHHHHHAAAAAYYYYYYY ta GO DDDUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuDDDDEE(????????)

HAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HAHAHA AHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HAHAHA AHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HAHAHA AHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this mutha can outpOst ANYONE!!!

Lois

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Mar 29, 2007 - 03:50pm PT

If necessary, I will go back in this thread and delete my old posts, so the picture thread takes the lead for good. Even though I may have had some responsibility for the idea of a thread with 666 posts in the first place - it had something to do with Locker, I think.

John Moosie

climber

Mar 29, 2007 - 04:13pm PT

Aw you don't have to do that Wild Bill. I was just joking. Besides, who really cares which thread has the most posts. That is just posturing. This thread has so many posts because we wanted to show our support of Locker. The actual number means nothing. I think Locker knows that the people here support him. So don't delete your posts. This is a friendly competition. Lets leave it that way. To have value, the picture thread does not have to have the most posts. It has already done what its purpose was. Create community. Winning or losing some numbers game has nothing to do with that. I actually think that the picture thread is awesome. It makes me feel good. It also makes me feel good that at a difficult time, people here were willing to contribute to something that was meant to help a fellow brother. And some of the posts on this thread are hilarious. I got a kick out of watching it grow and Locker got some support. Good enough for me.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Mar 29, 2007 - 05:20pm PT

Party pooper.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Mar 29, 2007 - 08:56pm PT

Ok ok, I take it back. It won't be needed now, anyway.

All records are made to be broken, apparently.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Mar 29, 2007 - 09:10pm PT

No matter how many more fluff posts are added to this thread (including this one),
the Picture thread has steamed past this one with authority, and there's knott a snowball's
chance in hell to do anything about it. We had a good run, but this thread is now officially an After Run...

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