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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 28, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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They're already hoisting 'em up by the hundreds.
What's style got to do with it anymore?
Money and summit photos are the objects, not style.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
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DMT, dAMN..... where's the lightning when you need it?
TY
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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May 28, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
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I'd vote for the ladder, traffic controls on the fixed lines, and minimum qualifications for climbers. It's too late to prevent Everest from becoming Disneyland - the best that can be done is to try to get it under control. I also think the tourists are abusing the sherpa laborers, and am glad to see someone defending them.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 28, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
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Someone should show sherpas this:
Why? They already know what it looks like.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 28, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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Jeebus, that's pathetic.
Can't wait to see the next 'modification' that will help to 'expand the climbing industry'. Pfft.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 28, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
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'Everest Ferrata'?
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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May 28, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
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Looks a lot like Half Dome.
Dave
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 28, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
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Thank Gawd I don't have enough money to be that stupid.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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May 28, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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What they should really do is ban fixed lines above camp IV.
That would relieve some of the congestion for sure.
If you can't lead that sh!t, you shouldn't be there!
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aguacaliente
climber
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May 28, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
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Woah, it's a Michelin Man convention.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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May 28, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
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Everest is a profit center, that ladder is going in. They should have one for up and one for down.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
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I really wanted to climb Everest. It was a boyhood dream that has died hard. I just cannot bring myself to participate in the circus that is Everest these days. It saddens me to think of it becoming a tourist attraction, not much different than a ride at Disneyland. Everest is the highest peak on the planet. It is supposed to be tough, cold, unrelenting, hard, unpredictable and barely doable without O2. Instead, it has been reduced to the lowest common denominator, money."Friends, ladders, countrymen... its ALL aid." True that, but how far down that road are we willing to go? Should we just bolt the f*#k out of everything? How about a massive bolt ladder up the Captain, that way anyone can just clip bolts and climb the thing. Is that ok? No learning curve, no training, no dreaming of the mystery, no being self reliant,in any sense of the word, no romance with the unknown? Just pimp it out to the highest bidders, and start jugging lines or clipping bolts. Hard to fault the Nepalese for cashing in, but some dreams just die hard.
TY
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Stimbo
Trad climber
Crowley Lake
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May 28, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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Why mess with ladders, they need a powered escalator and a toll booth.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 28, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
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"Hard to fault the Nepalese for cashing in,"
Oh, I dunno...I can empathize with the desire, and they certainly deserve a bigger piece of the pie, but....
...there would certainly be plenty of 'fault' that would be placed on any group that made similar 'enhancements' to a classic objective (i.e. aforementioned 'Nose Bolt Ladder') in order to increase traffic for the purposes of guiding...
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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May 28, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
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that way anyone can just clip bolts and climb the thing. Is that ok? No learning curve, no training, no dreaming of the mystery, no being self reliant,in any sense of the word, no romance with the unknown? Just pimp it out to the highest bidders, and start jugging lines or clipping bolts.
I believe you are describing a guided ascent of El Cap there? Just add a top rope for the person that is jugging a fixed line, and you got it. :)
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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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May 28, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
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Chicken lines for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 28, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
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Ladders..? What happened to the sleds and lobster...?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 28, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
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There are so many places without ladders,cables and crowds. There are still places in the Sierra where you won't see another person for days, even in the high season. If you really love the experience then highest, biggest, longest doesn't mean everything.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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May 28, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
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Where is Ray Jardine when you need him?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 28, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
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If you really love the experience then highest, biggest, longest doesn't mean everything.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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May 28, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
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Growing concern over Mt Everest turning garbage dump.
“Though we can find a large number of dead bodies lying on the way due to poor rescue management, we can hardly find any garbage on the Chinese side of the Mount Everest,” he added.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 28, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
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I think the cables on Half Dome are a great idea. It gives some people a thrill they'll never forget. It gives them a taste of that which all of us here relish, and that's good.
After all, you can bet the best climber in the world is somewhere on those cables on a daily basis.
The best climber in the world is the one who's having the most fun
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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May 28, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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Great point Gary. +1. I agree with you. A lot of climbers think we are better than others somehow. Even though we place bolt ladders to aid through blank sections of rock etc. Some times it is good to forget about all these stupid ethics, and have fun.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 28, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
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It is already a rope tow, just put in a Poma Lift and a Srarbucks and be done with it.
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Roots
Mountain climber
SoCal
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May 28, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
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I just cannot bring myself to participate in the circus that is Everest these days.
TY not picking on you with this post but using your quote because it echoes what so many of us think. However, it's important to remember that Everest has many routes...not just the popular one. I doubt we would encounter a 'circus type atmosphere' if we chose any of the others.
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Barbarian
climber
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May 28, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
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Ladders..? What happened to the sleds and lobster...?
The lobsters were short. They needed the ladders to get into the sleds.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 29, 2013 - 11:20am PT
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The eighty year old who summited said in his AP interview:
Just get out of the house. Enjoy good food. Those are the things we should do," said Miura, who dined on hot pot and hand-rolled sushi and enjoyed gourmet Japanese green tea during his climb.
Don't know if it was lobster......
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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May 29, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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They should stop allowing "guiding" on Everest. It is not safe to have so many inexperienced people on the mountain. This is a defacement of a sacred place.
But, that will never happen, because it is all about the money.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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May 29, 2013 - 11:53am PT
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It doesn't bother me a bit.
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