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Miho Wang
Social climber
SanFrancisco, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 21, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
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I started climbing in the gym 3 years ago. I just learning to climb outside. My puppy is my best friend. I take her everywhere with me. My friends say some climbers do not like dogs at climbing areas outside. I love my little Pee Wee puppy and would be sad not to take her. Is it OK for me to bring her to the outdoor climbing?
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 21, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
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No. dogs are annoying and sh#t on ropes.
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John M
climber
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Jul 21, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
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Russ is looking hot these days..
dammit MH.. where is your post.. left me hanging. heh heh
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 22, 2012 - 12:03am PT
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Depends on the area, the approach, the base. Will you be topping out and walking off?
How many other people will be there to get pissed off?
Do you take your dog to the gym?
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beef supreme
climber
the west
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Jul 22, 2012 - 12:11am PT
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haha, i'm tearing up. that shit's hilarious. funny looking dog too!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 22, 2012 - 12:47am PT
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Only if Donini is there....
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jul 22, 2012 - 12:51am PT
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man, what a troll.
no semi-self respecting climber would bring a rat like that to a crag.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 22, 2012 - 04:49am PT
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No dogs, be a good neighbor
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:18am PT
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Yep....but only if I can bring my weber.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:28am PT
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Even though I have my own dog, I'd never take her to the crags. It's really an imposition on others to do so. So...be polite and respectful of the wishes of other climbers. Keep your Pee Wee at home.
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mission
Social climber
boulder,co
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:33am PT
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In Colorado, dogs are welcome at sport climbing areas, but please do not bring your dog trad climbing.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:40am PT
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In any relationship it's a good idea to spend some time apart pursuing personal interests. It's healthy.
However, if you insist, I have seen many climbing with their dogs.
Especially FRUMY.
Be careful this doesn't happen to you: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1775995/A-guy-kicked-my-dog
Please do not bring cats to the crag. I'm allergic.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jul 22, 2012 - 10:44am PT
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In Colorado, dogs are welcome at sport climbing areas, but please do not bring your dog trad climbing.
Dogs do not belong at the crags, sport or otherwise. Leave them at home.
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jstan
climber
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Jul 22, 2012 - 10:51am PT
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Basically 20 to 0 here. No one suggested prior conditioning for Pee Wee. Like getting her a rattlesnake to practice with at home first.
But it came pretty close.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 11:07am PT
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No, it's not ok.
1. Dogs will be dogs, and the mess is not pleasant for others.
2. the dog will be exposed, often, to intense sunlight and can get dehydrated.
3. the dog will tend to get underfoot. If this happens at a critical moment for the climbers, your dog WILL get kicked like a football.
4. Your dog is not your best friend. Your dog is your pet, for whom you are responsible. Treat your pet with respect, and protect them from a situation that can be dangerous to them.
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Jul 22, 2012 - 11:07am PT
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I hate dogs hanging out at climbing spots. Dirty paws on my crash pad and whatnot. They're horrible spotters too. Leave it in your hot car with the windows up.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 22, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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We're a mean crowd here.
On the chance that Miho is sincere, and still reading, the answer is it depends on the dog, the crag and the owner. Is the dog comfortable outdoors, and mellow around other people, pets and wildlife even when Miho is off the ground? Is the place crowded with people likely to step on, drop things on, or get pissy about even a well behaved dog? Does the owner have good control and a good plan for how things will work?
Might be a good idea to hike up there with the dog just to check things out, with no intention to climb and no need to stay more than 10 minutes if it's not working.
I've taken dogs cragging hundreds of times, and hundreds of other times left them at home. In terms of our local area they do swell at small outback cliffs, but can't help being underfoot in the gymlike scene at popular sport crags. Things can go wrong for dogs left at the base of crowded multipitch cliffs too. I've done that in the past but no longer think it's wise. As cliffs have gotten more crowded they've gotten less dog friendly.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 22, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
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This is just like so many other things in life. Your right to do what you want ends when it causes a problem for other people.
A well behaved dog while you are single pitch climbing is great. Dogs love the outdoors even more than people and as long as its legal and the appropriate place have every right to be there.
However you have idiots who leave dogs alone while multipitch climbing (e.g. At lovers leap) these dogs are often nervous when the master is away and bark, whine, or could even bite. Or you have people who let their dogs run around getting into other peoples stuff, or creating a nuisance. These people give dogs at the crag at bad name.
So then you get the people that say no dogs at the crags altogether because they assume all dogs/owners will cause problems. So leave them at home. Sorry but if my dog doesn't cause any problems he can come with me and my right and my dogs right to bet there outweigh your desire to simply not see my well behaved dog there.
So I wouldn't take a dog to lovers leap unless I had a person who was on the ground the whole time with them.
But some areas like most of the crags at lake bowman (search for a thread here about it) are great for dogs. It's uncrowned, single pitch, level at the base, etc.
Just realize some people will be happy to see and pet your dog, but others will get mad because they've experienced problems with dogs due to idiots who have ruined it for everyone by bringing problem dogs or bringing them to the wrong places.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 22, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
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Well you better be armed and able to run quick Locker because this:
When threating our family changes to this in the blink of an eye. :-)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 22, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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What do you mean "Dogs can't belay"?
Goldie is as good as any sport climbing belayer.
She never takes her paw off the rope.
My CragDog can lick yours.
She can be vicious however.
Unless of course she has her "Meds".
Then she is a total marshmallow of love.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 22, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
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My dog is allowed to go to some crags & some crags she isn't, you need to be smart & decide what an appropriate place for your dog to be & if they will inconvenience others, you, or even themselves before you bring them.
That being said I would rather have a decently behaved dog around the crag than than a crying baby any day. I can step around dogsh1t but it's hard to focus with amateur parents & their screaming baby trying to figure out how they can be selfish & climb while raising a kid.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 22, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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Philo, you are cracking me up. Cool pics of a cool dog.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 22, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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Locker, he's not a shitbull he's an American Bulldog. Pitbulls are bulldogs mixed with terriers for dog fighting. American Bulldogs are bulldogs bred for controlling wild boars in colonial times. But in a pinch herb flavored climbers will do.
If you don't like American Bulldogs you are UN-American😄
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sol_dog
Trad climber
New Delhi
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Jul 22, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
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Dang, you guys are haters. I bring my dogs out climbing whenever I can. I pick up their sh#t and people enjoy their company. hatin'....
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
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Funny this thread is here on this day... I just experience something similar this morning while hiking with the baby and Loki. She was on leash when some random guy started throwing rocks at us near the trail head. He was yelling to get the f*&ing dog out of there. When a rock hit her she moved in front of the baby in protection mode with all her teeth showing. I swear next time I am going to let her off leash. Well, the owner of the property just happened to be near, (he let's neighbors have use of the trail that goes through his Orange orchard.) he came running with a gun and chased the guy off. (Now this can turn into a gun thread too.)
This goes to show that some people bring the b.s. onto themselves. Dogs are not always the problem.
Yes, I bring my dog climbing. She is well mannered and usually sleeps in the bushes or on "my bag." She is never aggressive unless you give her reason to, like throwing rocks at her family. We only bring her for one pitch climbs so one of us is always with her. Now if she had a bad disposition a.k.a. showed aggressive behavior, was hard to control; I would keep her at home. Her actions are my responsibility, I sure as heck am going to make sure it's good. Plus when I approach and see others at the climb, I make sure they are alright with her being there. If not, I simply go somewhere else.
I know that being a dog owner, you need to give up some freedoms. Such things as multi-pitches, leaving without plans for a dog sitter, walking freely without holding a leash etc. It's part of being a responsible person.
Not everyone is "responsible." Sadly they don't pay the price, the dog does.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Jul 22, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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Donini-can you return my copy of "40 Ways to Wok Your Dog" you borrowed last summer?
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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Usually is when we are alone out there and I let her loose to chase rabbits. She loves chasing rabbits despite being the worst hunter. She once caught one and simply just let it go... Now are you telling me my dog should be only loose in backyard, never free to play in the woods, never allowed to run in the river bed, not allowed to play frisbee in a park? She should always be tied or locked up? Seriously! Since when letting a dog be a dog became so wrong?
By the way, I have a baby and he comes with us too. Crying baby, check... Dog, check. I must be your worst nightmare Locker. :) By the way, my dog doesn't pee or poop near people's stuff. She never has and when she does do it on trail, we pick it up and pack it out. It's not that hard. :)
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fsck
climber
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Jul 22, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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i love seeing dogs at the crags.
however, i absolutely hate seeing people there, especially climbers.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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Dang it Locker! ;P *&%@# Trolling Me! Grrr.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 22, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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I have a blunt statement here:
"I don't love YOUR dog."
I love mine enough to leave her home from the crags, and not endanger her by exposure to rattlesnakes, and other vermin.
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LAP
Boulder climber
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Jul 22, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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I thought you guys ate your dogs.
Lucinda
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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Can I bring my dog to the gym? I'm blind and my dog helps keep me on the blue route I'm working.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jul 22, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
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Is it OK to bring dogs to the outdoor climbing?
No.
Think of it this way.
Would a dog naturally transport itself, search out, sit and watch humans climb rocks?
Be a friend to your dog and your climbing friends and leave spot at home.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 22, 2012 - 05:27pm PT
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This is about a minus 5 on the troll scale.
Second user post ever, disabled user to user messages....MiHo Wang? Stock footage photo? Crazy looking pekingese? Topic that gets climbers riled without thinking about it?
Contrats to whoever started this trolling. You have a lot of bites!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 22, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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Russ?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
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I swear next time I am going to let her off leash.
Be aware of the danger you just have created for yourself and your dog.
IF you ever do that, the dog will undoubtedly attack someone. You have announced your intention to attack someone with deadly force. If she bites someone in any case, she will almost certainly be euthanized (killed).
Escalating force generally results in harm. Often out of control.
The dog, once off the leash is out of control, and like the bullet that has left the gun, will go who-knows-where?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 22, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
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Miho Wang's picture is of Soong May-ling, later madame Chiang Kai-shek, the Last Empress of China. An extraordinary lady.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 22, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
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It's nice to know I can bring my crying baby and dog and scare the haters away and have the good routes to ourselves.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
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So it's alright to throw rocks at a woman carrying her child with her dog on leash? One rock hit me in the elbow, luckily non hit the baby or I would have gone ape shiest and one hit the dog who went from happy on walk to, I must protect my family. I say that was unprovoked. Plus I was on private property and I had permission to be on it while he was trespassing. Seriously is the law that unjust?
Ooh, found this in the California law books. Plus he was trespassing on private land which also allows my dog the right to bite him.
Assumption Of The Risk As a Defense in Dog Bite Attacks.
The actions of the dog bite victim prior to the dog attack are also important in determining whether a dog owner will be held liable. Even if the victim is lawfully on private property, the dog owner is not liable if the dog bite victim kicked, teased, or otherwise provoked the dog. In such instances a dog owner may raise the defense that the victim invited the injury by her conduct and therefore assumed the risk of the dog attack. The key factors are the dog bite victim's knowledge and appreciation of the danger and a voluntary acceptance of the risk of being bitten.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Jul 22, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
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"Oooh, look at my Fido. Don't worry, he's just being friendly/lovable/affectionate/curious, etc."
As the dog proceeds to:
bark
whine
growl at people
fight with other dogs
get underfoot
lay down on ropes, packs, clothing etc
steal food
piss on or around personal possessions
shit on trail
knock stuff over like water bottles
beg for food
sniff crotch
hump leg or other body part
slobber on/lick me
dislodge rocks
chase wildlife
park themselves on your pad whilst cruxing
walk below you whilst cruxing whilst bouldering
bite people
fart dog farts
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
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My dog prefers to watch me climb and hang close to me for some reason. She really doesn't give a hoot about anyone else beyond her family.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:10pm PT
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I love dogs. I don't own one though. Thing is I'm too busy climbing, snowboarding, working, sledding, living to take care of the responsiblities that a pet brings.
I have met several awesome crag dogs in my years, well trained mutts that laze about at the base of the cliffs and don't get into much trouble. Typically though, they act mostly like you guys are saying.
Here's one of the good ones..
Khyber lazes at the bottom as Rick climbs sdr 5.9
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Blissab
Trad climber
Westhampton, MA
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
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Some people should not be brought to the crags. They should also be left at home.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
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Ooh, found this in the California law books. Plus he was trespassing on private land which also allows my dog the right to bite him.
Assumption Of The Risk As a Defense in Dog Bite Attacks.
The actions of the dog bite victim prior to the dog attack are also important in determining whether a dog owner will be held liable. Even if the victim is lawfully on private property, the dog owner is not liable if the dog bite victim kicked, teased, or otherwise provoked the dog. In such instances a dog owner may raise the defense that the victim invited the injury by her conduct and therefore assumed the risk of the dog attack. The key factors are the dog bite victim's knowledge and appreciation of the danger and a voluntary acceptance of the risk of being bitten.
Also admissable will be that you had planned it in advance "with malice aforethought" and announced it on an internet blog as your plan.
Oooops.
Your scenario does not include DELIBERATELY launching the dog into an attack, when they had been restrained.
You may think this stuff is simple, but it is not. In any case, the dog is removed from you while the trial takes place, which may take a year.
But more fundamental is that your story makes no sense. What are you leaving out? Leaving out crucial information does your credibility no good.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
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:) Location: Wilson Ranch is located a block away from my home. There is trail that crosses it, goes around the main house into the orchards past the duck pond that takes you to the river bed. People involved, baby being carried in a baby bjorn, GSD on leash, Ranch owner who is also an artist welding something in his shed, and rock throwing psycho dude.
This is the ranch. At the bottom right corner is the pond and then it leads to the main path that follows the river bed. It's private property which I have been given permission to walk through.
This is some of the owner's art work, a memorial for two officers that saved half the town from the St. Francis Damn disaster.
This also the gate he made that you have to pass in order to get into his property. This is what he does for a living and why he lives in his shed.
This is my corner of the woods. Pretty eh?
I have no idea what I must have left out. Seriously, no idea about the guy's motive. I don't have the ability to read minds or understand why the appearance of a dog would provoke rock throwing. Loki was busy smelling the trail. I call it dog vacuuming. I was listening to my ipod, baby was just there for the ride, literally. I have no idea who the guy was, never seen him before though now I'll remember him forever. Some things stick.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 22, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
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If some dude threw a rock near my baby he be lucky if I unleashed my dog on him instead of me.
Don't worry Anastasia you were in the right no matter what the haters say. Even if they took your dog away for a year defending your families safety is every persons ultimate right.
PS it is really pretty and those sculptures are fantastic.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:39am PT
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Some people should not be brought to the crags. They should also be left at home.
LOL
+1
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:50am PT
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Leave your dog at home, please.
Thank you.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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Jul 23, 2012 - 02:01am PT
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:01am PT
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I'd rather have dogs at the crag than some snot nosed little bugger eatin', whining, poorly pottie trained children. Some of which are in their 20's and 30's.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:13am PT
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I leave my dog at home, since I don't believe that it's a good venue for her. I'd rather not combine activities to the detriment of others. Go take your dog for a nice walk someplace else. You'll enjoy it, I'll enjoy it, and nearly everyone else will enjoy it.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:15am PT
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Yes, bring your dog just leave your Fish behind,
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:25am PT
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Since some people don't want any dogs because it bothers them lets go ahead and get rid of all the folks that might offend anyone too.
Smokers. Even if you keep the smoke away from me you may throw your butts on the ground. Out with them.
Slow climbers. Come on, clogging up the good routes. Ban them!
Parties of 3: see slow climbers.
Whiners, hang doggers, dirtbags, drunks, trustafarians, etc. Out, out, out!
Also, hot women can be a distraction to noob belayers, get rid of them too... wait a minute what am I saying?!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:01am PT
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superb troll. photo straight out of an old pacific steamer chest.
"love me, love my dog." if you're perfectly lovable, there won't be a problem.
two notable exceptions:
1. frumy is not lovable, but seems to get away with this bigtime. send him a private email for tips.
2. all climbing venues within a 45-minute drive of bishop, california, require dogs.
a hundred posts and not a further peep from the OP. ever notice how the best trolls always involve dogs?
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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an owner asked me to keep an eye out for his nearsighted chow mix who had wandered away. i missed clue one. when i recognized the limping dog, and caught up with him, he must have felt pursued. i hunkered down and while cooing softly, offered my second most favorite hand for an introductory sniff.
no warning, he chomped it like a viper. makes a good hook now, just doesn't close any more. i can make the a-ok sign, plus pinkie pitches in, but that doesn't even make for secure one handed driving. yes the dog ate my crimp.
just wanted to pass this along to climbers, who whether they are aware of it or not, love their hands as much as musicians do but don't discuss threats to them and might not have insured them for career ending loss.
don't gamble the future of your functionality on some unpredictable canine thought process
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
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Pfft, Biscuit (RIP) could lead harder slabs than most of the wankers posting that they hate dogs LOL.
Check it out.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
ps, I have a Terrier too. She goes out when I'm by myself in areas where I know I'm the only human for miles, stays at home otherwise. If folks want to bring their dogs, bring them if they are social I say. Most dogs seem a hell of a lot better behaved than humans. If you have a dog that snaps, barks, and is unsocial plan on being (rightfully) ostracized and criticized.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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I should always leave her at home, right? No more Search and Rescue training. No more socialization so she's comfortable in all situations. Seriously people, when you need a dog to save your butt, how do you think they develop the skills to do just that?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 23, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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Biscuit's corpse was found Toadgas. It appears that even his final act was selflessness, as he became one with the food chain: having unexpectedly met a cougar. No one was there to see it.
This is why I always try and take a dog (or 2) out while solo hiking having been stalked once myself. This is the one (below) which I often refer to as "Cougar Bait". Hopefully the combo of man and dog will deter any hungry cougars who are generally known to avoid both man and dog.....
We were out 2 days back in cougar territory as my son and buddy climbed in an isolated spot the dog and I hung out below. It reminded me that a buddy had seen what he described as "large cougar tracks" on the trail right at the base of that cliff last year. Adam and I had seen something which resembled a cougar ducking off the road the same year a scant few miles from the cliff as we were heading up. I say "resembled" as it in all other respects appeared identical to every other cougar (Tawney color, silky moments, identically shaped) except that it seemed much larger. For myself: I enjoy the feeling that I'm not the top of the food chain, that there are wild things out there where I need to have my A game on for at all times and thus I don't carry a gun in the woods for that very reason, however, the pup loves heading out to the woods, and it takes that edge of fear off a notch when she's there.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
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If you are a mindless moron who owns pitbulls, please stay at home with your dogs.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
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"What if yer a SMART MoFo that owns "Pitbulls"???..."
Than you would already know not to bring the dogs to the crags...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 23, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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Many of us do not find a dog running up to, licking and sniffing us cute or welcoming. It is difficult for some dog lovers to understand that simple sentiment. I don't mind if quiet, well behaved dogs are at the crag. BUT I don't want them touching me. Don't take it personally, some of us are just that way.
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JuanGrande
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 23, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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I have been a trad climber for 25 years. I just started going to the gym. Is is okay if my wolverine tags along. Wolvey is my best friend and I can not bear the thought of leaving him in the backcountry, he would be so lonely
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jahil
Social climber
London, Paris, WV & CA
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Jul 23, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
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I don't see dogs putting unwanted bolts on any routes - canine climbing ethics seem to be far advanced to human ones.
I'll take the dog side every time.
steve
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neversummer
Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Jul 23, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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beware of this mutt...he rap bolts next to cracks throws cig butts everywhere and licks his own nuts...
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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I like dogs more than people, I have 2 of them. They stay at home, until I get out with Locker than they are coming for sure.
Prod.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jul 23, 2012 - 04:50pm PT
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I don't really like that either.
But i also don't go to Nascar and ask people not to drink beer, or tell golfers not to wear cologne.
If you're not into dogs, deal with it yourself, ie- go somewhere else.
BIG difference with nuisance dogs, drinkers, cologne wearers
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
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I don't really like that either.
But i also don't go to Nascar and ask people not to drink beer, or tell golfers not to wear cologne.
If you're not into dogs, deal with it yourself, ie- go somewhere else.
BIG difference with nuisance dogs, drinkers, cologne wearers
I sort of agree with this, unless the dogs go and bug people, some folks just don't like dogs, so keep yours in check.
I for one love it when dogs come up to me looking for attention, I can't pass a dog on a trail without talking to it etc I have no problem with others dogs at crags, but mine will want to say hi to everyone, even Locker.
Prod.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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Just let me sniff it Locker.... Please....
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 23, 2012 - 06:36pm PT
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I like dogs, almost all of them, way more often than dog owners, which I often have a problem with. Pretty much every dog owner thinks their dog is special and doesn't have to be hindered by silly rules like leash laws - these are often the same dog owners that say things like "gosh, he's never done that before" after losing control of said unleashed dog. They will probably still let Fido go unleashed tomorrow even now that he's "done that before".
And even if your dog is "special" and maybe does deserve the freedom, here's the deal: I don't know your dog. I don't even know you, so how should I be expected to trust you when you say "he's friendly, don't worry" as he sprints toward me while I'm on my run.
Oh, and those 30 foot extendo-leashes do not count as a leash, and please don't be stupid enough to tripwire the trail with one of those things. That 1/8" cord is difficult to see in the best of conditions, impossible to see at dusk/dawn.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jul 23, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
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The training makes mine special. She is in the program to become a Rescue Dog for the Sheriff's Search and Rescue Team. Yes, she is awesome.
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james Colborn
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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Prod, that shot is priceless.
I would let that dog lick me.
do not tell my wife.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 23, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
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Prod's dog are really great dogs! And that photo of Bubba IS terrific! (As is Whim).
Don't overlook what I said in my post as well and that is that well-behaved dogs are great. It's the others that I object to.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jul 23, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
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We're just dogs.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
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Crimps,
My dogs are good but they would come and visit anyone new to an area. Non dog people don't like that, so they stay at home, until I climb with Locker....
And the other one, Whim, is a dark German Shepard, who moves fast. She is a sweetie but can freak people out.
Cheers,
Prod.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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Aw Locker now you've done it. You've just gone and ruined it. I thought we would be cragging together. But you had to say this...
"Also, hot women can be a distraction to noob belayers, get rid of them too"...
Actually Goldie was born in Eldorado from two amazing cragdogs who had also grown up there. Goldie knows the place better than most of the climbers do.I can tell her what wall we are going to and she leads the way. She is also greatly helpful for keeping the vermin away from my gorp.
My CragDog is so good I trained her to bark ROCK!
Here she is disturbing the wilderness. Can you spot her?
Here she is about to go and DogFight with the Red Baron.
It all depends on the dog the crag and the situation. It is not an all or nothing black and white issue. I completely support Anastasia's points.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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Pretty dogs Frumy!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
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Well how about a horse? Can I bring my horse?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jul 24, 2012 - 12:10am PT
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A horse is just a BIG dog....except he won't get the farging ball!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 24, 2012 - 06:55am PT
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Most dog people are slaves.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 24, 2012 - 09:27am PT
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Troll! Anyone else notice no follow up posts from the OP?
That said, just leave your dogs at home; I do...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 24, 2012 - 09:59am PT
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RODGER, OF COURSE IT IS A TROLL!! But this one is still of interest to many.
Someone should post up Dylan's "If Dog's Run Free".
Sorry some of you have had bad experiences or experienced bad dogs at the crags. I chalk that up to Owner Error. CragDogs have been a part of my climbing experience for over 40 years. It is sad, now that I am making my 13th major comeback, that some of you would choose to not climb with me because my dog travels with me. Too bad really because if you met her you would change or at least modify your stance. You have to know your dog and when & where it is appropriate.
How many affidavits from prominent American climbers would it take to convince you -"NO DOGS at the CRAG"- folks of Goldie's bone-ifieds? Would an even dozen do or should I break out the long form? Not all dogs are bad at the crags. And not all humans are good there either. Like I said before it depends on the dog the crag and the situation. SOMETIMES IT IS A PERFECT MATCH.
I love cragdogs.
^^^ Honestly, look at Goldie's face and tell me if that isn't an expression of contentment. ^^^
And you want me to have her stay at home and wait for a leashed walk around the block later?
Is it OK for me to take my dog to work with me?
She has since she was a puppy.
I say that if you really want to feel happy, safe and secure at the crags then leave your gun at home and take your dog. I know I'd feel safer if you did.
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Hard Rock
Trad climber
Montana
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:17am PT
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I've said it before.
Robbin's First Ascent Principle: I get to decide. You do any of my routes you have to have a dog along.
My dogs carry the ropes, gear, water, bolts.
They help wear in the approach trail - in fact they keep me on it early on.
They find the people who follow the trail, get lost and call for help (but I get the cookies they send as a reward).
They let me know when a Griz are walking across my timber plots.
Why would I leave them at home?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:29am PT
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oh, stop it.
i want to know who miho wang is. she looks for all the world like the maitre d' at the golden dragon off columbus avenue.
is her dog for real? the dog is as cute as she is. two months ago she did her first 5.10. it was reachy. is she short?
anderson is always looking for a love interest. i recommend asians over bohemians. a friend of mine, a refugee from montana, on the rebound from a chinese, married a korean. "asian women age well," he observed. he's a wise fellow who actually gets paid to write things.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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The distractive attractive hot chicks love the Goldie.
Guess I'll never get to climb with the Locker,
I am Hurt Locker.
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jul 24, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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We have local laws that don't allow dogs(watershed)in the two major canyons but do allow them in other areas. The assumption is that people will not sh!t or piss in the woods, on the trail, at the crag. Dead wrong. It's multiply use folks. Which means you are welcome, your horse is welcome, your dog is welcome, your sniveling child is welcome(or at least tolerated) your whining girl friend is well annoying and pisses to close to the trail, your gym Ethics(?) are welcome, and this land was made for you and me, break into song. Thank you woody.
Train your dog, train your child, train yourself to live in a social environment. Be tolerant, be kind, be open minded. You'll feel better if you do that and hey you might end up liking dogs and possibly kids and annoying chicks. Or you won't, I don't lose sleep over it. If I want to take my dog, I will, if he acts up I'll kick his ass, can't do that with your kid or girl friend. We live in an unbalanced world.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jul 24, 2012 - 11:55am PT
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Kenneygl..... +1
Philo.... I have changed my opinion of you. No matter what politics one supports, if you love dogs, you love all people.
And LOCKER im disapointed in your opinion, dont you crap all over the place? and smell crotches too?
This guy was my climbing partner for 14 years, he was good on snow, rock and marsh. He would stay with packs and keep varmits away. He would come on over to see what your eating and look for a good scarf... like most climbers I know.
But I do see 85% of dog owners as boneheads.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 24, 2012 - 11:55am PT
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WOOF!
Handsome dog Guyman.
If, as some have surmised, a dog's personality and behavior is a reflection of their owner and how they were raised then meeting Goldie would have you believe that I am a real sweet and sensitive person.
Now rub my belly :-)
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 24, 2012 - 11:59am PT
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"Troll! Anyone else notice no follow up posts from the OP?"
Since when has that ever stopped a thread from exploding?
Leave your dog at home. Thank you.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 24, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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Do dog owners worry about their dogs at crags? Are there locations you wouldn't take them due to snakes, rock fall, other hazards, etc? We've heard of dogs being crushed to death by falling objects (most recently a climber in the RRG, no?). Do they distract you? Personally, I'd worry constantly about my dog (but I am also a professional worrier).
Genuinely curious.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jul 24, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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so this transexual troll thread was donini's st b-day present?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jul 24, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
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i was referring to the middle-aged-white-guy-pretending-to-be-an-asian-woman in the op.
nttawwt.
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jahil
Social climber
London, Paris, WV & CA
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Jul 24, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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Crimpie
Our dog Killah (see below) no longer goes on climbing trips as he is getting a bit long in the tooth. People who think dog owners are delusional are quite correct, most climbing locations are hazardous to the health of your dog. I constantly worry that his pads may be drying out, that he is not eating properly, or getting enough to eat, that he will get eaten by coyotes or bears.
All he wants to do is sleep on the crash pads, which seems to annoy every one else in Bishop. Best leave him home to sleep on my bed.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 24, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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Hehe... a middleaged white guy it was....
Not:
"Miho can be written using different kanji characters and can mean:
美穂, "beauty, ear of grain"
美保, "beauty, care"
未歩, "future (part of the word 未来), step"
美帆, "beauty, sail"
The name can also be written in hiragana or katakana."
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jul 24, 2012 - 05:52pm PT
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I love these threads.
Slack is a crag dog. Has been his whole life.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 24, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
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Seems like for every dog that is a good climbing dog that there are a bunch that bark at everyone who goes by and get in dogfights with every dog that goes by. Also seems like everyone thinks their dog is perfect. I am totally fine with well mannered dogs that are nice but I do not like it when your dog gets in my face and yells at me for no reason other than I am walking on a trail. I do not yell at you or your dog and do not expect you guys to yell at me. Seems fair.
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 24, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
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I'm afraid I'm with Brokedownclimber here. I got my dog, Zacho, at a crag. She was a stray that a friend found in the wood outside of Driggs. We fell in love. I took Zacho to the crags for a while and she mostly seemed to enjoy it. After a while I realized that I was making the assumption that everyone at the crag liked dogs as much as I did and that I was imposing my will on them.
What right did I have to do that?
None.
From then on Zacho stayed home.
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Jul 24, 2012 - 06:15pm PT
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See how Slack was totally underneath Mr. Potter WHILST CRUXING!!!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jul 24, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
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After a while I realized that I was making the assumption that everyone at the crag liked dogs as much as I did and that I was imposing my will on them.
What right did I have to do that?
None.
I had the same epiphany. I wish everyone loved dogs.... Mine stay at home now too.
Prod.
But if Locker will be there I'm bring my dog, and a big vat of beans.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jul 24, 2012 - 06:22pm PT
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Slack is off to the side. He's smarter and less obnoxious than most climbers.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jul 24, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
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I still have a twinge, 25 years later, in my bicep where I held on too long bouldering because a dog wandered underneath me.
It was my dog but whatever.
I now leave them at home but this is a purely first world problem.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jul 24, 2012 - 07:23pm PT
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and I'll be happily standing there with my buttcheeks spread wide
Then will we find my shoes?
Prod.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jul 24, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
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Spread yer legs and trust the rubber.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Jul 24, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
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The crags are crowded. Shoot the dogs and no more crowding.
I loves the dogs, I surely do, I have two of them curling up at my feet right now, but dogs can be trouble.
I say shoot em.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jul 24, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
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Larry... I think it's like this: RELAX, spread your legs and trust the rubber.....
I do miss my dog, He was the one making me go on very long Mt. Bike rides, big uphill hikes and 2 times a day mile walks, when we were in town.
Now I just sport climb.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 25, 2012 - 08:42am PT
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Are those "Trannies" fannies in that photo Philo posted???...(EDITED: and I re-posted)...
Absolutely not Locker. Real deal all around.
But, if you are having difficulty telling the difference I offer this refresher course....
Yurwellcum
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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Jul 25, 2012 - 10:05am PT
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try leaving changtse at home.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 25, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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I do not take this dog to the crags because he is a real prick
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 25, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
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^^^ Jon that's hilarious.
At first I thought it was a Wookie Wang.
Chewbaca's Chunky.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 26, 2012 - 10:53am PT
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Tfish
Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
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Jul 26, 2012 - 10:56am PT
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I just went on a short backpacking/climbing trip last night and my dog carried in some beers for us. My dog is welcome anytime as long as she pays her dues.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jul 26, 2012 - 11:04am PT
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Damn, are those French girls? I've been at the wrong crags lately.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 26, 2012 - 11:47am PT
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I'd be more up to take dogs on mountain walks and day hikes than to the crags (I've done so in the past!), but have been criticized by others on the trails for doing so...
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Jul 26, 2012 - 11:59am PT
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A dog at every crag, a gun on every rack, a bike in every wilderness, a bolt next to every crack.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 26, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
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On the chance that Miho is sincere, and still reading, the answer is ...
It's the same chance that I climb 5.14 and climate change is caused by people wearing sunscreen
The most successful troll in internet history after sincere discussions, even before the web on rec.climbing went on and on in vitriolic orgies
Dogs belong in the Gym and should wear Lycra doggie pants to prevent accidents
Peace
Karl
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Locker, you should have been cragging with us this past Sunday. Five, count em FIVE beautiful lasses all fawning over Goldie the CragDog. It was beautiful man.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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No Miho, don't bring dogs to the outdoor climbing.....now to the indoor climbing, that's an entirely different manner. Gym owners actively encourage their members to bring their dogs and, get this, they encourage the dog owners to leave their leashes behind. Something about the dogs mingling and creating more of a family atmosphere.
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