Alex Honnold come out of the closet...

come out of the closet...

when you start pushing your beliefs that prayer is bogus, you're doing the exact same thing as Bible thumpers telling you you gotta find Jezuz or you're gonna burn in hell.

when you start pushing your beliefs that the earth revolves around the sun, you're doing the exact same thing as the Pope's cardinals telling you the sun revolves around the earth.

"Alex, it's not too late, let the lord save you! Let him show you the light! It doesn't have to end here."

"I hope you don't kill yourself before you find out how wrong you are, otherwise, won't you be surprised when you meet your maker face-to-face. I'm praying for you to see the light. This explains a lot about why you're out there risking your life, you don't think there's anything to live for but the last thrill. I feel sympathy for your family and friends, you and they deserve better."

When asked about his religious or spiritual views, he described himself as a "militant atheist."

Santorum voter.

A militant atheist might bombard you with reason, a militant theist might bombard you with...a Boeing 737

Oh-LOL! Snackbar!

"I'm hard,
Jehovah said i was born in the pearly gates f*#k him,
I didn't wanna go to heaven anyway
but my momma had me on my knees with my hands gripped,
talkin about some praise the lord shit"

define "is"

BUT...

reject the above, and you might risk damnation. Billions of years of standing waist-deep in molten white-hot sulphur, while having invisible demons constantly poke you with sharp, pointy pitchforks, while they also devour your slowly-rotting flesh, one tiny bite after another.

"Billions of years of standing waist-deep in molten white-hot sulphur, while having invisible demons constantly poke you with sharp, pointy pitchforks, while they also devour your slowly-rotting flesh, one tiny bite after another."

Alex clearly indicated by his inclusion of his name that he wanted to do "missionary" work.

I think many people out there develop their own sense of connection to the universe through the divine. There's nothing wrong with that and that's where I think many of these modern day atheists get it so wrong.

The response that the name "atheist" is expedient because everyone knows the term is lame. It's time the world had a new name for those modern progressives or modern secular "elites" who because of their education in science and general modernity see beyond ancient theology (or theism) and its misconceptions if not superstitions for how the world and its life works.

Somebody get on this.

Go away you one dimensional freak ....

What a person believes or doesn't believe is none of our business. Maybe someday Alex will have a "boundary experience" and he will get another take on himself, but that's none of our business as well.

Putting value judgements on what believe or purport to know is the heart of ignorance IMO. People usually follow and are led by their direct experiences, whatever they are.

Which aspects of people are "our business?" Particularly when that person publishes their beliefs under their name to promote them. Of course this is a topic for discussion or nothing is.

We should begin to worry about anyone's belief system only when that system begins to interfere with the performance of their duties as a citizen.

I think when people are doing superhuman death-defying things, you're curious what's in their head and how they are wired for this.

it is none of our business to evaluate someone's ELSES beliefs

One can have a noble belief and the implementation plan of Stalin

Then there is the act, the act of destroying someone's belief -

John.1:1 -14 (KJV)
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

"God has given him a name which is above every name – that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord…" Philippians 2:9-11.

Revelations 20:11 – 15 , 21:1 – 7 (KJV)
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev.21
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
[5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
[7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Nope. Scientists create the knife and others wield it - and THAT is the fundamental problem with implementation. The ideologues mostly get other people to implement and suffer the consequences

I admire both for their climbing prowess and abilities to push the envelope to levels I will never attain, but I'm certainly inspired by both of them . . .

for those that knock peoples faith in God...have you ever read or studied the subject that you all are authorities on. I don't mean sunday school lessons, what priests tell ya, or the door knockers..Don't make ill informed statements if you have no background to back it up. It is poor form. Therefore those should not knock a subject they have now real knowledge about IMO. Don't read excerpts from others on the Internet...just force yourself ...research...get the beta before you slam/judge read the Book like you would study a route that you were going to do this weekend.. Just give it a try...pick it up with either a closed or open mind and try it. Then if you want to have a debate on the subject matter we wil be on equal footing.

So it's pretty rich of you to come out and act like the atheists on the forum are the ones making decisions without educated consideration of both sides.

Young gun.....please, get off the "knowledge" kick...

Oh no Honnold is not needed nor is he the inspiration for this discussion. This program is regularly scheduled!

Oh no Honnold is not needed nor is he the inspiration for this discussion. This program is regularly scheduled!

Truthdweller: Your knowledge is vanity (nothing).

Young gun.....please, get off the "knowledge" kick...

None of these guys here can think for themselves. None of em.

Nope. Jesus was not what they wanted. His life, they were not drawn towards. Their interests, well they were elsewhere. That is the stuff repeated every day.

And so it seems to go.

TD, you come across as a closed minded religious nut. YG, may not have your belief system, but to his (her?) credit he is trying to have a reasonable conversation (however pointless).

I feel dirty for even getting involved.

Even the Bible says so.

do you believe that at one point a talking snake existed?

Then you have those who say and believe that GOD or GODs don't exist, and never did and never will. The Atheists. These are those who have their heads buried in the sand, with their eyes closed, and their fingers in their ears. All the evidence in the World seems to not matter. They don't want GOD to exist, so they believe he never has or that he ever will. It is willful ignorance.

Honestly, I don't see the point to posting strings of random bible verses.

Youngun -- "Religion generally relies on making theories ..."

Then you should stone me to death and send me to hell. For your god told you so.

You see, it's not about you.

I was approached about appearing in this book and I think it's a great idea. It annoys me that most folks assume atheists are somehow immoral. I think I lead a rich and full life and I'm happy to support this project. If anyone else is so inclined check out the web site, the author is trying to raise funds to make the book a reality.

This is a perfect example of projection TD.