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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 14, 2012 - 02:25am PT
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A trip to the 17th Ouray Ice Festival
Ed Hartouni
January 2012
Sometime in October WMcC floated the idea that I should think about joining him and some of his other partners at the Ouray Ice Festival. A good way to get back into the ice climbing game. We have been talking about some other projects that would benefit from a refresher on modern ice climbing technique.
So I checked the dates and arranged things to get out to Ouray Colorado to learn how to ice climb.
Looking back at my climbing "log book," I started climbing water ice in 1985, at Stoney Cove, NY.
Stoney Cove, NY, 1985
Winters between then and 1994 involved some ice climbing. Basically I climbed around Mt. Washington, Lake Willoughby VT, and a late season attempt to get into the Laurentides at Malbaie, Quebec which didn't result in any ice climbing.
Pinnacle Gully Mt. Washington NH, 1992
During the Massachusetts' winters I'd climb ice smears locally, especially my own 20'-30' steep ice on a railroad cut behind my house which generally froze up in late November. My northeast ice climbing culminated in a March 1994 trip up Black Dike on Canon Mountain in New Hampshire
After moving to California I climbed ice once in Lee Vining canyon in January 2002, Chounard's Falls.
Tom Polesak in Lee Vining Canyon, 2002.
Over this period of time my ice equipment was basically the same, plastic double boots, FootFangs and Chouinard X-tools.
I've had occasion to climb in mountains over this time requiring moving on snow and ice, but nothing like steep water ice climbing.
So going to Ouray Colorado, paying to participate in clinics and top roping in a canyon with farmed ice, staying in a motel, was a departure from the way I did things back in the day. A typical trip back then involved an early start, driving on treacherously iced roads, long slow approaches to ice cliffs often not more than 100' in height. Getting a pitch in that had to be lead, then returning to the car, usually an "air cooled" VW with a notoriously insufficient heating system (but providing some protection from windchill and a hope of getting home to warmth).
We had great adventures, mostly we wouldn't climb something we couldn't lead.
Flying east over the Sierra looking back to the crest.
Ouray CO is a wonderful place, located in the San Juans. The town is nestled up in the canyon next to the Uncompahgre River ("Uncompamgre" means "hot water spring," which we took full advantage of!)
The Ouray Ice Park is created by farming ice down in the river canyon and is very extensive. Here is a view from the "upper bridge" looking down to the "lower bridge"
and up from the "upper bridge"
the ice park was a 15 minute walk from our motel room. Access to the ice park is free.
During the Ice Festival, the clinics have priority in the climbing areas. Clinics ran from about 9am to 11:30am then from 12:30pm to 3:00pm. They chased us out of the canyon so that they could pull the ropes and water the ice.
Friday and Saturday were full days, Sunday was a half day. We'd arrive around 8:00am to check out the demo gear, then show up at the vendor's tent that was sponsoring our particular clinic. On Friday I obtained some Black Diamond Quark crampons and Cobra Ice Tools and headed off for my "Intro to Leading Ice" clinic run by Jen Olson sponsored by Petzl.
(Jen's on the left).
That afternoon I took the "Novice Ice" clinic with Aaron Mulkey sponsored by Rab.
(Aaron is in the red parker on the left with a knee brace on his right leg)
When we introduced ourselves I had to say that I last ice climbed in 1995, which was before most of the guides had started ice climbing. The length of time that I have been climbing is longer than the age of most of my guides also... and most of my clinic mates were much younger, and having been climbing only a couple of years on average.
The new tools make a big difference in how ice is climbed now. "Leashless" ice climbing frees your hands and makes the tools really more like "holds" and stresses good foot work and balance. It was a lot of fun to play with this new stuff, and it didn't take long to be able to adopt the new methods. I found that the tools were really the difference, the crampons weren't all that different than the FootFangs... but more about that later.
After the first day we retired to the Box Canyon Motel for a soak in the hot-tubs, a very nice way to relax.
On Saturday I obtained a Grivel Matrix Tech ice tool and G22 crampons, and headed off to the "Intermediate Ice" and "Advanced Ice" clinics taught by Margot Talbot sponsored by Outdoor Research.
The day snowed and the top roping was much more challenging on steeper ice... perhaps up to WI4+ to WI5- which was a blast. I played around in the intermediate clinic on some WI3 using a single tool to help dial my footwork.
Once again, the end of the day saw us retiring to the hot-tubs, but all in all my progress was satisfying.
On Sunday I was taking an "Intermediate Mixed Climbing" clinic from Markus Beck sponsored by La Sportiva. I had obtained Petzl's Ergo ice tool and Dart monopoint crampon...
Waiting around the sponsor's tent you run into all sorts of people, here's Mal getting ready for his clinic "Novice Ice" but he called it: "Leashless for Chickenhearts."
The mixed tools proved to be difficult to adapt to for me, though on rock the monopoint had some great features, I didn't completely master the ice climbing aspects of the monopoints. Using the Ergo's in extreme caming mode was also not natural, as my old instincts kept me from really loading up the tool for fear of breaking the tip... the tip is rated for this sort of use...
heading up the "Scottish Gully" into mixed territory, I got yelled at by one of the roaming guides for taking my brake hand off the rope, so I stopped shooting pictures at this point.
Anyway, we finished up and I felt that I had compressed a huge amount of climbing into a very small time, compared to back in the day.
My impression of modern ice climbing is that most people who engage in it do it top roping... the Ice Park is a large outdoor climbing "gym." Many of the people in the "beginning ice leading" clinic thought they might, eventually, lead ice. But they didn't appear to be highly motivated to do so.
Also, a lot of modern ice climbing technique is driven by the existence of "holes" that can be "hooked" and also provide foot holds. The holes exist because many other ice climbers have been up the routes, and essentially altered them, leaving a set of features that can be followed. This is tremendously less difficult than actually sticking your own picks on virgin ice... but it seems that ice climbing in Colorado is so popular that most of the routes sport this sort of feature.
Retiring to the hot-tubs we discussed the strategy for the post-Ice Festival activities, deciding to to Ames Ice Hose on Monday and The Ribbon on Tuesday given the snow fall and potential avalanche hazard in The Ribbon's upper section. These two climbs would be a good test of what skills I had reacquired during the clinics.
It was both an interesting and instructive time, unique in my experience in both the volume of ice climbing, and the ability to test new equipment. Perhaps had I been in better shape I could have also attended the parties, but I figured I was there to climb, and generally I can do one or the other, my advanced age seems to have robbed me the ability to do both.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 14, 2012 - 02:38am PT
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Ed we have to talk...
would that this had happened when I still lived in Vail...
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 14, 2012 - 02:46am PT
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Looks like way to much fun!
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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Jan 14, 2012 - 08:04am PT
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Ed,
Good to have met you at the Festival. Maybe next time we will climb together. Best, Jack
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 14, 2012 - 08:14am PT
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ED TFPU!
Now let's hear more about your Ames ice hose experience.
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gimmeslack
Trad climber
VA
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Jan 14, 2012 - 08:14am PT
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Ed, am I correct in understanding that *everyone* was climbing leashless?
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 14, 2012 - 09:45am PT
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Whoo!!!!
Thanks for sharing, Ed!
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jan 14, 2012 - 10:33am PT
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Great Report Ed, I have wanted to visit the park for some time now as well as the Ice Festival now I really want to go.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 14, 2012 - 10:54am PT
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A Yosemite rock climber in Colorado doing ice. Now that's globalization!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
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great to meet up with you too Bldrjac, I'd love to find a way to extend a stay in the Colorado winter, so much ice to do and so many great people to climb with...
gimmeslack, as far as I could see, everyone was leashless, which to my mind is natural, leashless climbing is absolutely liberating, and it makes "ice climbing" more like "climbing" than chopping wood...
Jan, while I am currently a "Yosemite rock climber" it is not the whole part of my climbing interests over 44 years, just the most recent 17 years...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 14, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
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Thanks, Ed.
Maybe if you're just doing one pitch topropes in a controlled environment, it doesn't matter if your tools are leashless. But for anything else, that is to say most kinds of ice climbing, what happens when you drop one?
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Nohea
Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
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Jan 14, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
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Very cool, thanks for the report. Always thought of making the trip there, looks like a fun event.
Aloha,
Will
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Jan 14, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
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Cool write up Ed, thanks for the share.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 14, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
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Great stuff Ed. I'd never seen a good report on what the festival is all about. Your pics are really enticing.
So I've got some leashless tools coming the the mail but with a spinner leash also in the box.
Frankly, I'm afraid I'm going to drop the tools without a leash. Tell me how I get past my irrational fear and leave the leash on the ground.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
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topping out on pitch 2 Black Dike Canon Mt. NH, Feb. 1994
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2012 - 05:06pm PT
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Peterskill Falls, NY
January 15, 1984
first time on ice
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 14, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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^^^ Nice Helmet Ed ^^^
^^^ Nice Helmet Hair ^^^
Anders and High Traverse, in a word tethers.
If you get a good stick in the ice you can let go of it, switch hands or grab it with both hands as you want or need. Not too likely you will drop it. On longer or alpine routes however the bungied tethers will greatly reduce the accidental oopsie which is a nice bit of assurance. Now on thin ice, mixed and dry tooling the opportunity for pitchin' axe is greatly increased and the bungie ricochet becomes more of a concern. Hooking the un held tool over a shoulder works very nicely.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jan 14, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
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Oh, I am sooooo envious...Ouray is on our list of must do. Unfortunately our ice climbing gear kinda looks like it was forged during the Industrial Revolution with leather bindings resembling dog chews.
Sometime....
Loved the then and now pics...very lovely
Susan
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 14, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
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It is a Rip Van Winkle moment when I realize my first time in Ouray was in 1967.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 14, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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Ed. here in the NE most people lead. the ice is hacked up pretty good in keene valley and frankenstine but mostly virgin sticks in Smuggs and Willoughby as well as some of my other spots. the black dike gets pretty hacked up once everyone knows it is in but when I led it the day after Christmass a few weeks ago it was virgin sticks the whole way up. was anyone climbing leashless but useing teathers?
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jan 14, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
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Thanks for the TR Ed.
How'd ya like the mono points. They scare me, like they'd skate out when twisting a bit reaching around.
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fosburg
climber
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Jan 14, 2012 - 09:52pm PT
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Thanks for the nice report! We were out there too and had a blast, definitely going back soon.
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Decko
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jan 14, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
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You nailed it on he Head Ed,
Most climbs in Colorado are hacked out staircases.
Ya need to head up to Aarons neck of the woods to Cody for the really long fun beautiful climbs of the South Fork........
Beautiful long routes, no pick holes......
Ice climbing like it used to be....
Oh and did I mention there is no one else or just a few more people in the valley....
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em kn0t
Trad climber
isle of wyde
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Jan 15, 2012 - 01:15am PT
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Waiting with worms on my tongue* for part II of this TR...onward to Ames Ice Hose!?!!
*(baited breath)
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Jan 15, 2012 - 01:19am PT
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Ouray is a great place to ice climb. was hoping to go this year, but probably not going to happen. maybe next year.
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slobmonster
Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
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Jan 15, 2012 - 01:36am PT
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And not even a mere mention of the BEST PARTY in all the San Juans.
I moved to the area in 1998... pretty much exclusively to climb ice. The Ouray Ice Park was in full swing by then, starting to get picked out, etc., but there was always virgin ice to poke at if one had the motivation to find it. The Park itself, although incredibly fun and technically challenging, was (at that time) still a training ground. Myself and partners would try to combine Bridalveil, Ingraham, and the Ames Ice Hose in a day, for example.
(The Hose will forever be a kick ass route.)
I'm glad you had fun, Ed! The area is full of good stuff to explore, and remember that you were there for the busiest, most zest-filled moment that punctuates an otherwise quite wild place. You'll be back.
(Jacket looks good btw. If you want to buy some new crampons to replace those old Footfangs, they will be on sale at Marmot very soon........)
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FBaker
Trad climber
Concord, Ca
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Jan 15, 2012 - 02:29am PT
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 15, 2012 - 10:56am PT
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Thanks Ed
Good video of the climb.
After seeing you guys doing that scary thing I'm running away ......
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Brian
climber
California
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Jan 15, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
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Glad to see you got out to Ames and the Ribbon. I'm so thankful to Ouray for its dedication to the ice park (and for having that resource for high-avy days), but the real gems of the San Juans are, obviously, not in the park. There is a lot of ice to be had outside the park.
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hucklebear
Trad climber
NY
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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Great video & TR, Ed. I second the soundtrack props!
Ames looks amazing, and I would loved to have done it too, but the partner who was up for it could not make the Festival ;(
Was so cool to meet you and figure out that the name on the clinic list that seemed so familiar led back to ST and all your excellent posts & research.
I had a blast out there too, and here are a couple of photos to add:
We hung out after the clinic and had some fun on this sort of thing, TicTac which is apparently M7 just now due to "not so much" ice. Really fun movement finally getting into the little icicle.
My friend Kathy stylin Little Sausage.
Ouray is fun even fun when you get to climb out of a mixed route hole, into a cool ice chimney and thereby use rock moves!
And then the general joy of just steep, fun ice...
Safe climbing, everyone...
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rhyang
climber
SJC
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
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Good stuff !
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jan 16, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
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how very scottish of you on the Black Dike pics! ;)
just saw a pair of strappy cramps at Factor 4's house the other day.
I so love my step ins when I think about how we used to rent those at Western BITD.
lol
dig it Ed. thx
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