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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
Monterey, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:47am PT
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Chris
You have seperate tabs for beta and for discussion. Why dont you further define the tabs to include one for climbing related and one for political arguments. Not that this is a new idea about the forum just perhaps time to re-visit it.
Tom
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:48am PT
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People are whiners.
Between the stonemasters and Mussy threads, and the folks who have joined lately, nobody has any reason to gripe about the quality of the forum. It's far and beyond any climbing forum in any country ever. What if there was golf forum where Arnold Palmer was publicly posting clubhouse photos along with Jack Nicolas and Tiger Woods and anybody could join in with a question?
Boo Hoo! Everything isn't just the way we want it! Call it democracy. The forum rocks!
Except if you want to talk about knots and belay devices. Rockclimbing.com already exists, anybody care to duplicate it here?
You do a great job having the site and the forum Chris, and this request of yours is legitimate for you to make and you did so diplomatically, but really, check out the content and tell me if you see a problem
Peace
Karl
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:53am PT
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I agree with Karl. It is one of the better forums. Thanks Chris Mac, perhaps I'll buy one of your publications someday. When are you going to get around to one on Dalkey Quarry here in Dublin? Or Fairhead up in the north? Glendalough in Wicklow? Burren Sea Cliffs out west?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:53am PT
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PS Just to add something constructive here, I'd like to repeat my suggestion that folks label all off-topic posts with a something like (politcis) (OT) (Religion) (Humor) or whatnot, then folks wouldn't waste time getting sucked into other's discussions.
Peace
Karl
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:59am PT
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There is still a problem for dial up users when the threads get to long. It effectively blocks their participation.
Seems to me that THAT is easily the most serious flaw here.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:59am PT
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I second the motion that this site is THE best. As one of the little ones lucky enough to be included, I consider myself to be walking amongst the giants(sorry, giants - I can't help it....you're just giants, there's nothing you can do about it. Like the Jack and the Beanstalk story, you planted the magic beans and look what sprouted up!).
The amount of first hand stories and photos is just unparralleled anywhere else. And, the political discussion is also interestinf. As for myself - I really don't look at news sources. I find them to be sensational, and biased. Yet I can come here, and the moment a story breaks, someone has posted on it. Then, others join in, and the thread almost always shows a balance of different perspectives. I like that about this site. I can actually get a bteer idea of what is going on in this world because of it.
So..... The only thing I can think of - because it IS true that sometimes climbing threads that aren't as "fun" as some others, do get second-paged because they don't have the posting continuity - would be that, once in a while people could turn the page and bump the climbing threads that otherwise would sink down further.
Do I think this NEEDS to be done? No. I think they should stand on their own merit. The stonematsers thread has been on the front page since inception, and is now into it's sixth "chapter." But....if someone is worried aboutthe lesser climbing threads getting lost, and feels they are worthy of more views, then go bump them.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:01pm PT
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Me too. OOPS, I'm me tooing with Karl! I shoudl type faster I guess.
One more shoe or knot thread, and I will throw up. Same for free soloing threads, LOL. Let's not even mention dogs. DOH!
I do like the topics such as Healeyje's hammer project, and the esoteric aid questions (you'll never catch me doing much aid tho, unless Kate accepts my marrage proposal).
Climbing related is great, as long as it is not the same old stuff.
New gear threads, special problems in climbing, those sort of things are very interesting
It would be nice to keep the political and other stuff to a minimum, but you gotta remember that Ouch! is pretty darned funny, and lots of us enjoy his work.
Bear 46 is my muse.
Hmmm, yes, patrick has given me a good idea.
Chris, I'll buy something from you (that I'll probably never use, but I'll do it cause you don't charge for the site, and I think you provide a valuable service) if you just leave the forum alone, or at most make a section for off-topic crap, and leave the moderation to the users, except for rare occasions.
Call it Off Topic Crap,and let the poster beware, and let the users browbeat the hapless into puting their crazed rants and mindless trolls there, along with anything else that should be in such a place. On second thought,call it Post Purgatory.
OR, you could make ME the moderator-god-king, since I will have a LOT of spare time pretty soon, as in starting Thursday, LOL, and THEN there would be H3LL to pay for posts and posters that I don't like, ROTFLMAO!
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Holdplease2
Big Wall climber
Yosemite area
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:05pm PT
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Hey Guys:
Seems like from the perspective of a guy who wants to sell highly-detailed guidebooks to routes many of the "old dads and moms" on this site had wired and probaby soloed, lycra clad, in the 80s, there probably *should* be more discussion about belay devices and knots.
One issue is that the people who are most qualified to answer the "how to" questions of noobs, etc. may not find it too fun to actually do so. That leaves us semi-noobs like the blind leading the blind, at which many of you probably sit back and laugh. :)
Perhaps something we could do to help Chris keep it kinda business is to answer "silly" questions seriously, rather than shoo folks over to RC.com.
Like picking up trash at a crag, every little bit helps. If we each take a little extra time to contribute to the climbing -related posts with quality, thoughtful answers, there'll also be *more time/space for the political/social/personal threads* that keep climbers who don't need to be told how to climb coming back.
Without the fun threads, whould FISH, Bachar, Jobee, Piton Ron, Wbraun, BobD and many others even be here? For some reason, I don't think so.
So maybe not conciously limiting the "other" topics, but consciously growing the "climbing" topics could be a more palatable solution?
At the end of the day, Chris doesn't make a dime when we click around on the ouch threads, but he does shell out the dime to keep this forum running. If it doesn't meet his business needs, or is viewed as detrimental to them, it could go away altogether.
He rarely askes us to do anything for him. Maybe we should respectfully perk up our ears when he does. We're in his house, after all.
-Kate.
PS FWIW: I'd like two forums, so I could see more climbing discussions in one glance.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:06pm PT
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Chris - I do not think having a "climbing topics" and an "other topics" tab would require more organization and moderation. I think people would voluntarily post under the correct tab as suggested by ThomasKeefer. The impact on the software would be minimal. You would have to alter your database to key on which topic to store a post. And the pages would need to be modified to supply that key.
Karl's suggestion of course could work, but requires giving up limited space in the thread title, not to mention that everybody pretty much has to comply with some sort of convention.
People could easily look at only one tab or the other if they so desired. If they decided to post, they would most likely be doing so while looking at the correct forum. Likewise people that want to look at both could do so, and most likely would automatically without thinking post in the "correct" forum. To the extent that they didn't and things get mixed, not much has changed.
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George_W_Bush
Big Wall climber
Crawford, TX
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:11pm PT
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Tell the people e-mailing you to quit bitching. If they don't, I will get the SS on their ass.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:18pm PT
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A little warnng on splitting the forum...
When the forum and beta pages were on the same page, I used to post beta all the time and correct bad beta. Now they are split and I almost never post to the beta page. Change the environment and you never know what else will change
Peace
Karl
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WoodyS
Trad climber
Riverside
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:19pm PT
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I'm a bit puzzled about this issue.
This site is, for all practical purposes, infinite. There is nothing inhibiting those that wish to post climbing related subjects from doing so and those wishing to partake of them from doing so. I glean from this that there are those that are simply offended for whatever reason by non-climbing threads. It's all quite simple really: when one reads a magazine, one usually skips the articles of little interest, quite elementary.
If non-climbing subjects were to be deleted and only climbing threads allowed, this site would shrink to ten or less percent of its present use. It would also be very booorrring most of the time.
In case no one has noticed, and I'm quite certain most have, this is one of the liveliest sites on the net. Try to find another site as general and tolerant as this.
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poop*ghost
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:21pm PT
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Chris -
Anybody complaining about the content of the forum should be filed in your trashcan via a double ejection headfirst catapult-er-thingy.
To the complainers: If you've got a beef with the forum, bring it to the forum. You're not paying for a damned thing, so STFU you whiny little brats. Leave Chris alone with your complaints.
Hey, go start a website all by yourself and have a great time.
This forum is absolutely the best and most relevant climbing forum that I've seen. the photos, history and trip reports could easily be put together into a badass coffee table book.
If you can't figure out that a forum called "BUSH SUCKS" ain't gonna be about climbing, then LEAVE THE SUPERTACO.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:28pm PT
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what the fukk? listen peeps, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:31pm PT
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Chris,
When I first came to ST I was aghast at the sheer volume of non-climbing posts (mainly Juan's) and asked for a split. I was soundly chastised at the time. To some extent I understand and can better appreciate the point of those that didn't want it split. I would say you can't have it both ways. If you want an unmoderated and open single forum you don't really get to dictate content. I'd still advocate a climbing / non-climbing split if you get to where you personally can't tolerate the ratio. But I think many long time users here feel the topical tidal flows the content exhibits is part of the charm/interest. Also consider the possibility that climbing by itself may never be enough by itself to build and sustain the type of community you find yourself now hosting.
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Landgolier
climber
the flatness
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:33pm PT
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I do see your point, though the mussy/stonemasters threads now amout to about 1000 posts of climbing-related goodness. I think one quick and dirty way to encourage climbing-related threads would be to up the number of front page threads to like 50 or 60. Climbing-related stuff doesn't generate the kind of rapid-fire bumping that "Bush Sux" does, so it can get chased off the front page pretty fast. If it was given a little more time in the site's short term memory, more people might see it and reply. Also, there's a limit to how many political/flame threads can be sustained at one time, so increasing the number of threads on the front page reduces the proportion that are O/T.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:35pm PT
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To the complainers: If you've got a beef with the forum, bring it to the forum. You're not paying for a damned thing, so STFU you whiny little brats. Leave Chris alone with your complaints.
hahaha
I agree 100%
Please do knott pester Chris with whiney emails––grow some sack and discuss here...
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spyork
Trad climber
Fremont, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:36pm PT
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Hey I think this site is great! Every once in a while I ask a serious question about climbing related stuff and people give serious relies. Knowledgeable people like Bachar, Ron Gomez. People post cool climbing pics and tell stories.
I have found a climbing partner or two here as well. Not a bunch. I am a weekend warrior, so I don't get out as much as I would like.
OK, I do indulge in non-climbing related stuff. Oops. I have to say I don't approve of the 'worst jokes' type threads, but its not my place to judge their worth. I just don't read them.
I am a customer too, so I did put my money where my mouth is, so to speak. I have the Tahoe, Yosemite, and TM books and I have made good use of them.
Steve
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climberweenie
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:43pm PT
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Two feature requests:
1) Have a cookie setting for dial-up users so that pictures embedded in threads don't download by default. Replace them with a link to the picture in case the viewer wants to see them. I personally don't give a sh!t because I have 3Mbps at home at 1Gbps at work.
2) Improve the search tool. Seems like it doesn't find a match or returns less relevant results when I try to use it. I don't bother with it any more.
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Elcapinyoazz
Mountain climber
Anchorage, Alaska
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:44pm PT
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Karl the Babbler claims that the 'Taco is "the best climbing forum". Hogwash. While I do enjoy the Taco, it's hardly the "best", whatever that means.
Chris, having been involved with and/or moderated internet newsgroup, boards, etc on a wide wide array of topics let me say this:
You do not want to reduce the amount of posts. If only strictly topical, climbing related threads were posted here, the volume would drop off so much that people would stop being "regular" users of the 'Taco. The no-brainer is obviously to add categories...except you don't want to do that because it would take some actual work or programming or something...so instead you plead for more climbing related stuff.
The bottom line is, nobody forces anyone else to click on a topic, much less to read it. By limiting content, you take away a major reason that your "regulars" hang around...and without the regulars, you just have a website with some beta on Yos. I've seen car discussion sites, financial sites, photo sites all go through the same development/growing pains. None of them were better served by limiting volume of posts or discouraging playful banter.
It's your site, do what you want. But after a dozen years of participating in and managing this kind of thing, I'd just split the forum into a few categories and you get the best of both worlds. You've been offered the best solution many times, but you don't want to undertake it. So you've painted yourself into a bit of a corner lad.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:47pm PT
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Oh, and the single most time-wasting activity on ST is scrolling to the bottom of every forum page served up. I'd much prefer to see the sort reversed to deliever them up most recent first.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:03pm PT
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I say we off all the whiners, common out of the wood works whiners, show your selves.
Whine, whine, bitch, bitch, instead when the so called climbing topics are slow or non-existent, all they do is whine and bitch instead of start an interesting topic that will draw people in.
It takes a good skillful person to not only start a good climbing thread but also to keep it going.
The same whiners will be there in the real world, left behind crying alligators while everyone else is blasting off into orbit.
So whiners, start a climbing thread! Quit whining!
My life and times on the rock, I did this and I did that. What is the best way to scale this climb? Did you find it as hard or easy as I? Why does Royal Arches not have a coke machine installed half way up in the busy summer season?
My big toe does not fit in my 2 sizes small extreme sport shoe, what shall I do? Which quick draw do you prefer? Are bent gates better than straight gates? Why did my screamer rip? What thread does the manufacture use to bar tack the screamer? Is the bar tack needle cooled by compressed air to keep the thread from melting?
Hahahaha ………………Ho Man!
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426
Sport climber
Something's Always Wrong, FF, TN
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:04pm PT
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3-...2-....1...
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:05pm PT
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Sometimes the Supertopo forum scares me - like the time those hijackers tried to take over the plane I was on. Most of the time it soothes me though. I like it when 'climbers' don't talk about 'climbing'. cheers, jb
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:05pm PT
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Not a bad idea to increase the length of the page to include more post.
Come on ElCAp, List the best site for us so we can check it out
Peace
Karl
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:06pm PT
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Hahahaha ............ way to go John ....
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:11pm PT
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Chris has really developed some good trolling skills.
Juanito
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:18pm PT
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Why does Royal Arches not have a coke machine installed half way up in the busy summer season?
you know, this is actually a pretty good question. someone could make a killing selling sodas...plus they could stock the sucker with OE800 and clean up at 5 bucks a can....
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:34pm PT
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Having just posted a remark on how to solve a differential equation, I plead guilty to subject pollution and promise to refrain from such posts in the future.
But this may not be nearly enough, because now I read
"Boo Hoo! Everything isn't just the way we want it! Call it democracy. The forum rocks!
Except if you want to talk about knots and belay devices..."
So apparently climbing---or certain aspects thereof---is itself too broad a topic for this forum, even though all manner of non-climbing material would still be acceptable.
If I were going to make a political comment, I might have said that the version of democracy on display in this quote is in perfect harmony with the "democracy" our administration has recently been promoting at home and attempting to export abroad. But making such a comment would be to beyond the bounds of appropriate discourse for this site so of course I wouldn't say anything of the kind.
Chris, you've got a tiger by the tail. Good luck.
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:42pm PT
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I love the forum as it is, I'm constantly amazed by the breadth of perspectives. If you've got a climbing (or any other) topic that isn't getting the attention you want, just bump it every now and then.
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:08pm PT
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Chris,
Don't change a thing. This is the best forum out there and it would lose a lot of its charm if it was split into two forums. The political rants can be light relief between reading one of Dr Piton's essays on tagging a rack etc.
I'm a volunteer administrator for a climbing website, mountainproject (http://www.mountainproject.com/); that was climbingboulder beforehand and we would love to have the sort of ongoing discussions you have over here with the likes of werner, John Long, Bacher etc. This forum is so good, that I often post links in the news section on mp.com to let people know about forum discussions like the alien recall, the stonemasters etc.
So, don't change a thing, keep it the way it is and remember that the you can't please all the people all the time!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:08pm PT
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Chris,
What you suggest will NEVER happen until such time as you divide the forum into climbing stuff and non-climbing stuff. It will continue to be the clusterf:ck it is now - precious few really good climbing posts and a bunch of other crap.
What's the ratio of non-climbing stuff to climbing stuff? 5 to 1? 10 to 1? It isn't even a climbing forum any more!
I repeat my offer - I will help you move posts into the two forums if you want. What do you have to lose? It will accomplish what you want.
Unless you want to keep providing a free service for non-climbing stuff.
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:13pm PT
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As posted on an earlier thread,
Chris built this virtual deli. Most people come sit at the tables, get drunk, chat, argue, and occasionally buy one of his sandwiches.
Some people come to the deli just for the world-famous sandwiches, but they get really peeved that so many tables are filled with people that yak endlessly about things other than sandwiches. Even though there is an endless supply of tables, even though they don't have to sit and listen to the others, and even though they are free to talk about sandwiches as much as they want--with only the occasional and minor interruption--to them it just doesn't seem right. They say things like, "how dare they, this place is about sandwiches, dammit!" and "this is a travesty, there oughta be a law". They desperately desire that the guy at the other table, who used to be a master sandwich maker, would confide in them all the mysterious sandwich making arcana they so desperately crave, but alas it is not to be, he only speaks of fishsticks, fudgesickles and the Atkin's diet.
Meanwhile, Chris who says things like, "I just want to give back to the sanwich eatin' comminunitty, because ya know, gee whiz, aw shucks, sanwich eatin' has given so much to me," is out as much as possible eating, eating, eating the sandwiches of the world, research he calls it, while at the same time buying property like crazy in the red hot Tahoe market, when of a sudden he gets a call from the deli manager. It turns out the suggestion box has had a few impassioned complaints about people who wilfully refuse to talk about sandwiches.
Chris must make an appearance, because these are the dorks who buy three sandwiches: one to eat now, one to eat later, and one to be kept cryogenically frozen at home and displayed with reverence to all who visit.
But Chris must proceed carefully if he is to continue his research and maintain his portentous property portfolio; on the one hand he must calm the minority dweebs, but on the other hand he cannot be too vociferous lest he drive off the masses that, while definitely less sandwichcentric, actually do buy more sandwiches, all tolled, than their bumbly brethren.
As usual Chris manages, with his endearing Richie Cunninghamesque charm to bring peace to the deli, and one and all proclaim that C-Mac is our "Sandwich Hero".
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:24pm PT
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I say leave it just the way it is.
This forum didn't end up being the best––bar fuçking none––because of administration,
or some carefully conceived plan. It just happened––it took on a life of its own.
It appears that the opinion of most that it ain't broke.
And if it ain't broke, don't fix it!!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Same place as you, man...... (WB)
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:32pm PT
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That's right Azzzz™™™ Between our PodCasts™™™ SpayZone Forum™™™™ , PinkoChat™™™ and unmoderated GynoOnly™™™ forums we knock this place dead. I can hardly believe anyone comes here anymore. Must be for the nostalgia and to see snapshots of really old beat guys that used to pull pretty hard.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:42pm PT
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I agree with reversing the order so newer posts appear at the top.
I also agree that bumping climbing threads is a good way to go.
I hardly even visit the forums I use to a lot, such as the Irish Times news and sports forums and the BBC forums, now it is mainly SuperTaco.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:43pm PT
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PinkoChat™™™
hahaha
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Elcapinyoazz
Mountain climber
Anchorage, Alaska
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:44pm PT
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Yup, no pesky ol cranks rattling on about gawd knows what...that's why Russ's site rules. Just the goods and a few bedtime stories, plus some nice postcard sentiments.
Now that I'm done pimping for Fish..BTW, still love that One Night Stand ledge...Russ you can go ahead and send that free swanky "Schmooze Valise", in ocelot shampelt, to:
Mr. YoAzz
8th reaches of artic hell
Alaska, USA
-24F at tempcasa Azz this morning. Damn. I'm ready to take MyAzz back to AnchorTown, the 'Banks is rank.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:47pm PT
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I think Chris pretty much said no to splitting off the topics.
But, tabs split for 'BETA', 'OT', GENERAL and ALL would coddle
the whiners and work for the dial-ups and the non-whiners. Any
subject not preceded by BETA or OT would go into general.
And most of us could just read through it ALL and not be bothered.
No moderating required, just sorted out by suffix.
Cause, we climbers are well known for self-regulating. -right-
Didn't we cover this in R.C back in 1995 ?
-Bart
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:55pm PT
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Chris,
Don't change a damn thing. ST is my virtual campfire where I can hang out at and, like the campfire, feel free to participate or sit back, sip my beer and listen. It goes wherever the active participants are headed and, delightfully, they don't usually know or care. If I don't like what I'm hearing I can leave; if I have something to add I do.
RC.com is there for more channeled discussions, mountainproject is there for beta and gunks.com is there for those who haven't figured out that all real climbing happens west of the 100th meridian.
Be proud of the community you've created and let it thrive hoever it will.
Mal
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 03:15pm PT
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As a business man, my guess is that Chirs is probably more worried about the customers who aren't using the forum of late vs. the non-customers that are...even though they might be very famous, entertaining, and think lots of interesting thoughts.
FWIW, I have to admit that for myself, the Supertopo of late has been a bit like the Alpinist...Something that, if I were a REAL climber, I'd think was the best of the best, but that I don't actually relate to all that much.
But, I also think that it's nice to see a lot of the users having a great time, connecting w/ old friends, etc.
...Not sure what my point is here...
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TC
Social climber
No matter where you go, there you are.
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Mar 13, 2006 - 03:39pm PT
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Keep it as it is.
I am so impressed with the intellectual depth and breadth, humor and spontaneity of those that contribute to this forum. It's breathtaking. I think a lot of that would be lost if this forum becomes too structured. What we are seeing here is the flavor and personality of what a climber is. The culture of this forum reflects that.
I love it!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 13, 2006 - 03:52pm PT
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TR, hilarious!
OK, who's going to be the first to start a thread about the threads which are about the threads?
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Mar 13, 2006 - 05:14pm PT
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Splitting the Forum Up:
This will NOT take any moderation. People here will gnerally follow the rules. That's what people are doing now, thats what people do then. If people don't like that there is stuff other than climbing going on then you make life easy on them by splitting it up. The reality is that climbers are a diverse number of people doing a lotof different things. We have different interests and apparently the people here are the type of climbers who have a lot of time to be spending on the internet.
So please, split them up. It's not hard to do. You can simply delete any non-climbing posts in the climbing section. it doesn't get any easier as far as moderation is concerned and nobody will have an excuse to be upset. Then we won't have to wade through posts about what color alien is the best either.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 05:14pm PT
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Hey guys, Maybe Chris is really getting hassled by Homeland Security and not telling us. We better be cool and use that secret code we developed a while back...shhhhh!
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Mar 13, 2006 - 05:56pm PT
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splitting the forum would be the death of it;
here's some climbing;
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the Fet
Trad climber
Loomis, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 06:04pm PT
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As I mentioned months ago, when the posts for one day can't fit on one page this forum will have jumped the shark. Well The Fonz made his appearance about a month ago.
*Happy Days jumped the shark, when the Fonz jumped the shark.
There is a lot of BS, but splitting wouldn't work. Threads go off an on topic and back again within a few posts.
The only limit I'd like to see is maybe limiting posters to One or Two new threads a day. 4 inane threads by the same Troll do bury the good stuff. But even so, it's simple to scroll the Forum Topics.
Edit: dialup users turn off your images yourselves, duh.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Mar 13, 2006 - 06:04pm PT
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bachar,
fattrad is part of this list.......of course DHS is watching he, he, he.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Mar 13, 2006 - 06:45pm PT
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jaybro-
"who wears short shorts?" (trouble)
did you photoshop in some extra TR lines?
i really like the burgers here at the burger shack, but why does everyone have to keep ordering all the freedom fries? isn't this a burger joint? what gives? besides, it seems like most people just hang out here to get in fights in the parking lot, so what does that have to do w/ selling burgers anyway?
personally, i think you should hand the whole thing off to pete and let him be the taco forum guy, i would just love to see where that would go...
edit-
it's true that the forum is a bore lately, no doubt that will shape up once it quits raining so much. good climbing and good parking lot fights, both are less common in poor weather.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 13, 2006 - 06:56pm PT
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Eeeegaaadddd no off-width from Jaybro?
It's truley the death of the forum ......
Yeah Matt, Pass it on to Pete .....
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Mar 13, 2006 - 07:11pm PT
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I won't complain cuz I ain't a whiner,
but I definitely am disappointed when I check the forum,
and 90% of the threads are some political BS.
I don't think they ALL need to be climbing related and I wouldn't vote to ban all politics but I do wonder
why so much politics?
Politicians and politics SUCK...so why post so much of it?
Well, I'm off to download the latest FishCast™™™.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Mar 13, 2006 - 07:15pm PT
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How much time should I be spending on foreplay?
Juanito
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Mar 13, 2006 - 07:32pm PT
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here you go Werner
Matt-other photo- rap line & two topropes, Area? Climbs? Stlmnkey? anyone?
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Rhodo-Router
Trad climber
Otto, NC
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Mar 13, 2006 - 07:41pm PT
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Splitting the forum would likely kill it. Besides, what is a 'climbing topic' anyway? is a discussion about Camp 4 about climbing? What about Gale Norton? And what would stop people from interjecting 'Bush Sucks' in the middle of the play-by-play for After Six?
Sometimes you create things you can't control, Chris. maybe this is one of those things. Like having children. try as you might, you can't make them all into little climbers just b/c you like it so much.
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Elcapinyoazz
Mountain climber
Anchorage, Alaska
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Mar 13, 2006 - 08:13pm PT
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What do ya'll mean, it's been boring? The Stonemaster stories series and the Tardburger Mussy Neb series are probably the two BEST threads I've read on the Taco.
But whatever, there's no accounting for taste...as all those 80s era fashions in the Mussy Neb remind us.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 08:16pm PT
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Well, I have a suggestion.
Fix the edit button once and for all. That should eliminate about one non-climbing thread per week, by my reckoning.
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Elcapinyoazz
Mountain climber
Anchorage, Alaska
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Mar 13, 2006 - 08:23pm PT
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Jaybro,
Trench Warfare LCC?
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Mar 13, 2006 - 08:39pm PT
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ELC..-yup.
and, pre-emptive to the animal guy, this Was an exploratory aid attempt, as is obvious, in the photo. A later push, forgoing the tape, set it free!
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pc
climber
Eastside
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Mar 13, 2006 - 08:53pm PT
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Jaybro, Forget the other names for it. That's truly "moon walking" ;)
pc
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Mar 13, 2006 - 09:06pm PT
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I agree. Politicians suck... But suck what? Sorry I guess that should have been a new topic. Suck the money outta yer wallet? Or other kinds?
Please advise.
Ok. Return to regularly scheduled posting.
I do not think that you can keep the "forum more climbing related". You can segregate if you want. I guess Karl Baba has a good point about that. I have looked occasionally when I was planning at the beta threads. Look there. Do you need to be God to start a topic? Forget edit button. I do not see a start new topic button there!!!
And for a moment I was really worried that I would have to shoot myself since I totally agreed with Healy. But he saved my life with Oh, and the single most time-wasting activity on ST is scrolling to the bottom of every forum page served up. I'd much prefer to see the sort reversed to deliver them up most recent first. .
It would save time to see the one most recent post appear at the top. But it would suck the big one having to read the post from the bottom up!
Thanks joe, just pulled out the clip!
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 13, 2006 - 10:05pm PT
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" How much time should I be spending on foreplay? "
As little as necessary.
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Slakkey
Trad climber
San Diego
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Mar 13, 2006 - 10:47pm PT
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I am New to the forum, however I have no problem with the non climbing related topics. Having been involved with other forums related to sailing (my other passion) Chris it really comes down to either leaving things the way they are or splitting the forum up into two topics.
I joined the forum for the climbng aspect of it, but in an open forum of this nature there are bound to be non related issues. The way I see it is you can either respond or not. Chris I can understand your furstration having been in your situation but, if you divide the forum then pretty soon people will want to add more categories and it becomes a giant beast.
I can understand Chris Macs aspect in all this it his website and his business. However I have learned alot from this forum from WB, JB and mention Chris Mac. I do not respond offten, but if there is something of interest then I chime in.
Climbing is about freedom
Cheers
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Mar 13, 2006 - 10:48pm PT
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What JB are you talking about?
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Slakkey
Trad climber
San Diego
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Mar 13, 2006 - 10:52pm PT
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Bachar
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dougs510
Social climber
down south
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:16pm PT
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Well, I'll have to say one thing. Chris is one hell of a troll.
Bump... bump... nibble... BITE.... OUCH!
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:19pm PT
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I thought jaun was leaving and we would be free.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:32pm PT
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Chris - You are right! Put the right buttons on and you could easily mix or not mix the fora as desired. Tell Randy to do it. Too F'n easy.
After all, he fixed the edit button problem. That is way harder than what you just suggested.
And people that want their one pot meal can be happy. And the prisses can go a la carte.
But you must tell us what the answer is on French Freeing!
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10b4me
Ice climber
The Happies
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:34pm PT
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I agree with the Karl. This is the best climbing site on the web. I think part of the reason of the thread drift is because of the poor weather in Yosemite, Jtree, and Red Rocks. Once the weather improves, most people will be climbing, and consequently more climbing related topics will crop up.
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Slakkey
Trad climber
San Diego
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:46pm PT
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I agree with 10b4me in that at the moment there is just not alot of real climbing going on right now. Even J - Tree has snow. Come end of March, April May, June I suspect that we will see more climbing issues on the forum
Cheers
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mar 13, 2006 - 11:55pm PT
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Busy-Body M. N00b moved this thread from rigid-stem cam discussion to the 9/16" webbing forum, and then to the Center/Left Political topics page.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Mar 14, 2006 - 12:23am PT
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How many wrong turns does one have to make in life to end up as a sorry ass rockclimbing.com moderator. Its like being the kid in grade school that monitors the hallway. So sad!
Juanito
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Mar 14, 2006 - 12:35am PT
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Juan's in charge of cutting the cheese in this sandwich shop.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Mar 14, 2006 - 12:47am PT
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Locker that makes no sense.
Juan
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Mar 14, 2006 - 01:20am PT
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I don't know how to render advice on this question.
I can't say I actually know what this place is, like in a reality sense.
I'm just stuck in here havin' a sh#t geat time.
Thanks all.
Thanks Chris.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Mar 14, 2006 - 01:21am PT
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I was a serious climber (haha yeah) for 16 years, skateboarding since i was 6, surfing, sking ( i hate snow boarding ) I do 4 skateboarding forums, 1 buddhist, & 1 whatever. ST is the king site. There is nothing like ST any where on the net. When we sat around our climbing camps we never just talked about climbing. It was all B*llsh*t. Or not. I allways return to ST, 1 - because i know people here, 2 - i meet new people here, 3 - i dislike people here. you never know what will be posted & you never know who will show up. Dont change a thing. i use this site as a standard when compaired to others. this site floes so fast compaired to others, its sic. And the cool thing is, it will allways start with climbing and end with climbing no matter what is in between. it is now raining in the PNW and i will go to bed.
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BCD
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Mar 14, 2006 - 02:15am PT
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Sometimes it seems like the forum gets overwhelmed with off topic stuff. But it's easy enough to scan down the "Author" column, and just skip over every topic authored by JuanDeFuca.
Other forums make use of the "ignore" feature, where you can choose to ignore posts by certain people. If Supertopo had that, everyone could choose to ignore Juan, and that would probably solve the problem.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 14, 2006 - 02:32am PT
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"......that would probably solve the problem."
So you are the whiner? And the whole thing is Juans fault?
One of the main reasons I never wanted to go back to Mammoth was because there were to many people there like you.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 14, 2006 - 03:32am PT
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Ding! Ding! Ding!
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a whiner!
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426
Sport climber
Something's Always Wrong, FF, TN
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Mar 14, 2006 - 07:42am PT
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 14, 2006 - 08:41am PT
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TradIsGood's post has caused me to have a rethink about reversing the order, with the most recent posts first. It would kind of suck to read a new post that may refer to an earlier one (or some specific item or statement in an earlier one) and then have to scroll (or do a find/search for key word).
I wonder, I am not a techie, so is the technology there to where you can choose the order? You know, like in an Outlook Express (just for an example), where you can sort your e-mails by the date received (chronologically - older ones first or newer ones first).
And I can't believe it but Rajmit actually makes a good point...
Climber's forum v Climbing forum.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Mar 14, 2006 - 09:20am PT
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Perhaps a better solution to get to last post would be to put button or link at the top. It would jump to the bottom of the thread. Should be just two changes to the HTML generation...
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mar 14, 2006 - 09:30am PT
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My keyboard has a button that says "End" on it. When I press that button, the last post is right there. The next to last post is the next one up. To get to that one , I press a button with a mark on it that looks like this: ^
I don't know if it would work for you guys though.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 14, 2006 - 09:44am PT
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climber's are not divorced from their culture, a culture which manifests itself in lots of different ways in climbing... where did all those climb names come from? after getting past the "north-east-buttress-of-higher-bumphuck-bluff" we get stuff like "Escape from Tora Bora"...
...while I am not a huge fan of some of the rants that kick off here, I'm impressed by how much of the forum is about climbing. It could be so much worse. On the other hand, I don't think that every climbing topic should be addressed. If I want to see what the general opinion is regarding, say: "is there a safe way to arrange the gates on your clips in squence as you climb a sport route in Ceylon?" I can go to rc.com... some of the bandwidth that gets wasted on really far out, totally unaswerable climbing question can be amazing. In either case, I usually don't read that stuff.
When climbing mixes in with the personalities of the posters, that's great. Some of the stuff gets dangerously close to literature... and probably better than most current climbing-literature in the rags.
I'd say that it is a really terrible job to be an online, realtime editor... who knows what is good and what is bad?
But, as I said in the past, it's Chris' thing... he can do what he wants... hey, but didn't Funkadelic say it all?
I got a thing
You got a thing
Everybody's got a thing
When we get together, doin' our thing
In order to help each other
In order to help your brother
You don't drink what I drink
You don't smoke what I smoke
You don't think like I think
You don't joke like I joke
I got a thing
You got a thing
Everybody's got a thing
When we get together, doin' our thing
In order to help each other
In order to help your brother
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 14, 2006 - 10:10am PT
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If you want to see what will happen to this forum if it gets restricted to "climbing only", check out rec.climbing. RIP.
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Rhodo-Router
Trad climber
Otto, NC
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Mar 14, 2006 - 10:44am PT
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Chaz, that 'end' button is brilliant! Thanks.
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TC
Social climber
No matter where you go, there you are.
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Mar 14, 2006 - 10:46am PT
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Chris might want to consider setting up this forum with RSS.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Mar 14, 2006 - 10:51am PT
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Yup. And Page Down and Page Up keys work pretty nicely too.
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Brutus of Wyde
climber
Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
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Mar 14, 2006 - 12:46pm PT
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...So Dingus an' Nurse Ratchet an' I did this way rad climb that comes straight up out of the water...
All the other routes on that wall are Grade IV, but we called ours Grade V because we climb so slow. All the other climbs go free, but ours uses aid because we got tired of scrubbing the lichen, and just wanted to be done with the darn thing.
Jaybro, there's a pitch for you on the thing. Takes a couple Valley Giants. Called it C2. As in, "See too much lichen"
I'd post a topo, but my internet skills are only matched by my climbing skills.
Maybe Ding can dig up some photos.
End Spray.
Brutus
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Mar 14, 2006 - 12:52pm PT
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"You boys shoulda seen the usenet U/I's available, oh, 10-12 years ago. Why you could sort by topic, see all the headers at once, sort by date (ascending or descending), poster, time, topic and filter out annoying topics or people, look at the oldest post first, or the newest, or something in the middle. You could 'watch' interesting threads and be notified if a new post showed up. And the only download time was when you actually opened the post!
In other words, you basic news reader.
Someday the WWW will achieve these basic forum features... but not yet....
I'd give it another 5 years.
DMT "
Any basic forum has all these options. I suggested this a long time ago and got sh#t down. why they decided to code their own I'm not sure since there are already prepackaged forums available for pretty cheap with an insane number of features.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Mar 14, 2006 - 01:44pm PT
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Damnit! I meant to vote for GEORGE Clinton, not that other guy.
mmmm, lichen.
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Rhodo-Router
Trad climber
Otto, NC
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Mar 14, 2006 - 01:54pm PT
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shit! goddamn! get off your ass and JAM!
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 14, 2006 - 01:54pm PT
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The George Clinton/Bootsy Collins ticket would have my vote.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Mar 14, 2006 - 02:01pm PT
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What cabinet post would Bootsy's nephew, snoop, hold?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Mar 14, 2006 - 02:29pm PT
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Hey wasn't there a pretty steamy photo of a young guy and gal, climbers, well sprayed down with water droplets on their nubile bodies, posted on this thread last nite?
My Boss needs to see it.
Deleted?
...Hopelessly crossthreaded in Cyberville.
Please advise.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 14, 2006 - 02:31pm PT
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Since this forum is unmoderated, it's up for us, the community to tune it up a little of that makes more people happy. That means somebody (or bodies) will have to put effort where their mouth is.
So how about this. It is true that climbing topics get bumped off the front page fast. That goes double for when I post photo threads too. Somebody who cares about focusing on climbing could keep track of interesting on topic threads and regularly post links to them and keep that link "index" bumped to the front page. Everybody who wants to focus on climbing could check out the linked climbing threads and, if they contribute, those threads will bump back to the front page.
Here's your chance to be a self appointed public servant without replacing any bolts.
I'd also encourage us to remind (or flame) those who post off-topic threads with ambiguous titles without including at least (ot) in the subject line.
Peace
Karl
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Mar 14, 2006 - 02:41pm PT
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Karl,
The answer to that [climbing sub-forum] seemed resoundingly no.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=115504#msg115504
It would be relatively easy to do as long as a west coastie and east coastie collaborated a bit to keep it up to date.
Though there was the interesting suggestion at the bottom of the thread that a boobie forum might be interesting.
Do climbers prefer climbing threads or boobie threads? Or does it depend...?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 14, 2006 - 05:16pm PT
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I was going to post the following on the Raleigh Collins thread, but then thought it would be entirely inappropriate.
I didn't know Raleigh, and to be honest never heard his name before, but then I have been outside of mainstream climbing for some time. It sounds like he was a talented man, and I'll leave it at that.
But is the thread about him climbing related? Arguable. But this is what makes this forum such a good one. I have 'learned' about a man and the outpouring of emotion has moved me, as it appears he was very well liked.
I don't consider the thread climbing related as such, yet it was about a climber. This is a diverse and varied forum - let's keep it that way.
RIP Raleigh
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TC
Social climber
No matter where you go, there you are.
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Mar 14, 2006 - 06:15pm PT
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Tarbuster,
Is this what you are looking for?
http://tinyurl.com/obqbg
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Mar 14, 2006 - 11:30pm PT
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chaz, your a friggin genius. can you now please show me how to use my scanner/printer? alot of us are still new to this and we need help.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mar 14, 2006 - 11:54pm PT
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I'm afraid not wonder. If you take my advice you might ruin your equipment, and screw up your computer too. I know next to nothing about these things. I just learned "cut-paste-copy" about a week ago. No joke.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Mar 15, 2006 - 12:03am PT
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well then, i owe you one. ill buy you a beer next time im in socal skateing. cheers.
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Ouch!
climber
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Mar 15, 2006 - 12:04am PT
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Hey Wonder, did you install your software for the devices yet? If you are running Windows XP and they are USB devices, they will pretty much run themselves with a little practice.
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BCD
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Mar 15, 2006 - 12:09am PT
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So you are the whiner? And the whole thing is Juans fault?
One of the main reasons I never wanted to go back to Mammoth was because there were to many people there like you.
Wow. That was a little harsh, considering that you don't know me and you don't know anything about me. I didn't want to stoop to your level and respond to that, but apparently I need to clarify that my above post was meant as a joke. If I wanted to attack Juan and try to make myself tough, I would have said something like "One of the main reasons I never wanted to go back to Southern California was because there were too many people like you". But I didn't say that.
I'm sorry for not taking this stuff more seriously.
Settle down, tough guy. Everything is going to be OK.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Mar 15, 2006 - 12:10am PT
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TC:
Yes, That's it.
That's put me back on track.
I was derailed.
Very Helpful.
You are Kind.
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akcIimber
climber
Eagle River, AK
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Mar 20, 2006 - 11:52am PT
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Due to the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
Kentuckians, Tennesseans and West Virginians will no longer be referred to
as "HILLBILLIES."
You must now refer to them as APPALACHIAN-AMERICANS.
And furthermore..
HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT WOMEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT:
1. She is not a "BABE" or a "CHICK" - She is a "BREASTED AMERICAN."
2. She is not a "SCREAMER" or a "MOANER" - She is "VOCALLY APPRECIATIVE."
3. She is not "EASY" - She is "HORIZONTALLY ACCESSIBLE."
4. She is not a "DUMB BLONDE" - She is a "LIGHT-HAIRED DETOUR OFF THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY."
5. She has not "BEEN AROUND" - She is a "PREVIOUSLY-ENJOYED COMPANION."
6. She is not an "AIRHEAD" - She is "REALITY IMPAIRED."
7. She does not get "DRUNK" or "TIPSY" - She gets "CHEMICALLY INCONVENIENCED."
8. She does not have "BREAST IMPLANTS" - She is "MEDICALLY ENHANCED."
9. She does not "NAG" you - She becomes "VERBALLY REPETITIVE."
10. She is not a "TRAMP" - She is "SEXUALLY EXTROVERTED."
11. She does not have "MAJOR LEAGUE HOOTERS" - She is "PECTORALLY SUPERIOR."
12. She is not a "TWO-BIT HOOKER" - She is a "LOW COST PROVIDER."
HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT MEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT:
1. He does ! not have a "BEER GUT" - He has developed a "LIQUID GRAIN STORAGE FACILITY."
2. He is not a "BAD DANCER" - He is "OVERLY CAUCASIAN."
3. He does not "GET LOST ALL THE TIME" - He "INVESTIGATES ALTERNATIVE DESTINATIONS."
4. He is not "BALDING" - He is in "FOLLICLE REGRESSION."
5. He is not a "CRADLE ROBBER" - He prefers "GENERATIONAL DIFFERENTIAL RELATIONSHIPS."
6. He does not get "FALLING-DOWN DRUNK" - He becomes "ACCIDENTALLY HORIZONTAL."
7. He does not act like a "TOTAL ASS" - He develops a case of "RECTAL-CRANIAL INVERSION."
8. He is not a "MALE CHAUVINIST PIG" - He has "SWINE EMPATHY."
9. He is not afraid of "COMMITMENT" - He is "RELATIONSHIP CHALLENGED."
10. He is not "HORNY" - He is "SEXUALLY FOCUSED."
11. It's not his "CRACK" you see hanging out of his pants - It's "REAR CLEAVAGE
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Mar 20, 2006 - 12:20pm PT
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personally Chris, i think you have a well balanced forum here.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Mar 21, 2006 - 01:56am PT
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hey ouch, i know im a slacker but i got it going, heres my skate team
cheers, its war against juan.
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Apr 16, 2019 - 03:51pm PT
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If only there had been some kind of warning! You can’t just spring this on people!
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TREED
Trad climber
Gunks
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Apr 16, 2019 - 03:54pm PT
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This is why we can’t have nice things.
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