Norway tragedy...

...with an automatic weapon.

I know who and they believe in Islam.

McVeigh was awarded a Bronze Star for his service in the first Gulf War. He had been a top-scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the Bradley Fighting Vehicles used by the U.S. 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned.McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military.[83]......
McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.[84] During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly.[85] McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985.[86] In a March, 1996, interview with Time magazine, McVeigh professed his belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."[84] In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[87][88] In June, 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News claiming to be an agnostic.[89] Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.[90]

Nothing like jumping to conclusions fattrad--apparently an incorrect one, as the latest bulletins indicate that an individual is in custody who is Norwegian and not believed to be connected with international terrorism. More like Oklahoma City than 9/11.

There are a lot of crazy, stupid, and violent people in this world, but not many of them are quite this crazy. Harboring a strong suspicion that they may be responsible is not racist. It is not discriminatory against a race, but discriminatory towards a particular belief system, and one that clearly is deserving of it.

Police arrested the suspected gunman at the camp and the government have confirmed that he is Norwegian.

Go Israel!

They go through this very real fear every single minute of every single day. They have rockets fired at their children just about every day.

They don't deserve it just like Norway doesn't deserve it just like Mumbai doesn't deserve it just like ....

Innocent people don't "deserve" anything except our kindness.

Yes, it is that simple.


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It's a tragedy anytime this happens, whether a market in Kabul, or Norways capital

Andersen said the suspect posted on websites with Christian fundamentalist tendencies.

"A common topic of coversation in Norway is that this person will be convicted to the harshest penalty that we can give him, which is 21 years in prison," Sandberg said. "That means he is out after 16 years. He might be out after 14 years. And then he will be a free man. And he killed so many. We don't have laws that could lay out a penalty for what he's done."

Jul 22, 2011 - 02:02pm PT
AFS,

I know who and they believe in Islam.


Don't worry Norway or America, Israel will protect you.

The evil one

While we're at it, let's back off on Jeff. He's as entitled to his opinions as any of us. When we start fighting among ourselves the terrorists score a point or two. Seeding fear and dissension is one of their goals.

I know who and they believe in Islam.

John, Seriously... He said he was wrong! It might not be in the words you specifically wanted but it's an apology. Why do you so badly need him to be beaten down? It's scaring me.

dumb sucker is ok, but I do take offense to be called liberal
I am not that far to the right

“You should know that we’re crying with you. We feel for you… I am proud of living in a country that has managed to stand up on its feet in such a critical time… We are still horrified over what happened. But we will never give up our values.”

Mr. Stoltenberg repeated his call to defy the terrorist’s anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism rage by reinforcing those very values: “Our answer is more democracy, more openness, and more humanity - - but never naivety,” he told the congregation.

What doesn't make sense to me is that if you're anti-Muslim immigration, why slaughter a bunch of your on countrymen? At a youth camp?

God bless the fallen.

Norwegian police reduced the number of casualties killed from the shooting rampage by Anders Behring Breivik at the Utoeya island to 68 from 86. The number of casualties from the Oslo bombing the same day was raised to 8, Police Commissioner Oeystein Maeland spoke at press conference today.

That leaves the total number of casualties at 76, down from a previous estimate of 93.

FACT: IS THE FARMACY CLOSED TODAY OR SUMTHIN?

Beck said that the Labour party youth camp on the island, where 68 people were murdered, bore "disturbing" similarities to the Nazi party's notorious juvenile wing.

Beck, a multimillionaire darling of the Tea Party movement, said on his nationally-syndicated radio show: "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing

Have they no shame???

Is there no end to the dirt sick voices of the far right can forge in their disgusting brains and blurt out?
Have they no shame???

Just for the record, Glen beck is NOT a Christian.

Addressing the congregation at Oslo cathedral, Jens Stoltenberg, Norway's prime minister, rejected the idea that Norway will become, like Britain and America, a more restricted and frightened society. "I am proud to live in a country that has managed to stand firm," he said. "I am impressed over how much dignity, care and strength we have. We are a small country but we are a proud people. We are still shaken, but we will never give up our values. Our answer is more democracy and openness, never naivete."

is the hatefilled violent-loving xenophobic and misanthropic filth that the right winger extremists spew out into the world.

Not a right wing/left wing deal, huh? Forget it. No way there'll be an acceptance of changing this to a lone lunatic, acting on his own.
Had it been a muslim fundamentalist instead of a right wing fundamentalist, you'd sure be fast to blame entire religions.

is the hatefilled violent-loving xenophobic and misanthropic filth that the right winger extremists spew out into the world.

Vi Har Valgt å Besvare Grusomhet med Nærhet

What a crock of bullsh#t. Bush and McCain put forward honest immigration legislation. The evil one

Norway has been struck by a national tragedy. The kind of calamity that we hoped would never happen here has somehow taken place.

At Sundvolden today we met young people and their families who shared with us their gruesome stories. They have lived through a day that is beyond all comprehension. Our thoughts and deepest sympathy go out to all of those afflicted by the events in Oslo and on Utøya.

The police, rescue workers, health personnel and volunteers have worked tirelessly and heroically to save lives, in some cases at risk to their own. All of us are affected by the catastrophe that has swept over us, and we watch in disbelief as the death toll continues to rise.

In the midst of all the anguish and chaos, the Prime Minister, the Government and the ministries have responded to the situation with exceptional fortitude and resolve.

Both as individuals and as a nation it will take us a long time to digest and work our way through what we have witnessed, our grief and our feelings. We will need each other in this process. Throughout the length and breadth of our country, there are people who have lost someone they loved. Many of our children and young people are afraid today. We must make every effort to reassure them. Many will want to be together, while others will need space for quiet reflection. It is comforting that the country’s churches are open for anyone who wishes to light a candle and seeks a place to be. It is also helpful that the local authorities and volunteer organisations are providing arenas for those who feel a need to be with others.

There is still much we do not know about the background for yesterday’s atrocities, and it is essential that we let the responsible authorities continue their work to bring clarity to the situation. Some things we do know, however: the acts in Oslo and on Utøya are an attack on the Norwegian society that we hold so dear. And they represent an assault upon the very heart of Norwegian democracy.

It is when our nation is put to the test that the true strength, solidarity and courage of the Norwegian people come to the fore. We stand united behind our values.

I firmly believe that freedom is stronger than fear.

I firmly believe in an open Norwegian democracy and society.

I firmly believe that we will uphold our ability to live freely and securely in our own country.

I beg to differ. It's a continuum of hate and American conservatives have employed it reliably and extensively over the past fifty years. Campaigns against blacks, homosexuals, and latinos by way of 'immigration' - all carefully worded and 'coded' - have been the mainstay strategy of all recent national republican campaigns and remain so today. Current republican campaign strategies are all based upon on and designed to stir indignation and rage against 'them'. It is the very essence of hate, bigotry, and racism regardless of how carefully crafted.

Because that is the law of their land

It is surprising that the murderer didn't kill himself, but I guess he was hoping to have a pulpit from which to preach hatred. Doesn't look like it will happen. It is also somewhat surprising that he wasn't killed by the police, given how heavily armed he was, that a special tactics group was sent, and that it would have been all too easy to dispense rough 'justice'. Perhaps he didn't resist?

I don't think its obvious at all. How about connecting the dots for me... from Newt to the dude in Norway.

American Republican party = the party of fundamentalists...Bachman, Palin, evangelicals, Christian right voting block, KKK rejects who live in the South and to many other wackos to list....

Guys, please save it for another thread.

I'd had the impression that the Norwegian police wouldn't be releasing the names until early next week, but maybe that changed, or The Guardian has other sources. The interactive graphic is set up so that they can add the other victims. The youngest dead was 14. Several bodies haven't been found yet, and they continue to search the lake.

The exchange of text messages between a 16 year old girl on the island and her mother, from after the shootings started until the murderer surrendered.

(Glen Beck) states(on & off the record)that he is a Mormon. There is a vast difference. this is not the place or time to discuss it, but for starters/instance, they(LDS)do not believe that JC is Divine(God).

"I think what we have seen is that there is going to be one Norway before and one Norway after 22 July," he said. "But I hope and also believe that the Norway we will see after will be more open, a more tolerant society than what we had before."

There ya go pig man, big man show these sheep who you are....
The charade you are....

“Someone has to do this job,” the lawyer told a news conference. Mr. Lippestad, who received Mr. Breivik’s request through the police the day after Friday’s bombings and shootings, said he spent 10 to 12 hours making up his mind before agreeing to accept the case as a matter of principle. “My first reaction was that this was too difficult,” he said. “But then I sat down with family, friends and colleagues and we said that today is the time to think about democracy, and if I said no to this job, then I would say no to democracy.”

In my last three posts I have not posted my views. It seems that Europe and Norway have plenty of racists, well beyond the killer madman and his friends.

I don't understand this will to kill him off so quickly. What for?
Death is too easy. If he's dead he escapes.

After 21 years in prison No matter what his treatment is
He will not kill again, that can be assured

YOU MAKE SURE that he can't buy weapons

Boy, that was a tough one

Go on

Rant on..

Cool story...thanks

He is insane in the fundamentalist sense.

Same old fundamentalist half truths and jibberish we get from the Taliban, Evangelicals, Nationalist Jews or even the Mormons

a little fundamentalist

terroristic violence is a legitimate solution is one that he could have easily picked up on the left.

Glenn Beck compared the Workers Youth League camp to a Hitler Youth camp

A Blogosphere of Bigots

By Jostein Gaarder and Thomas Hylland Eriksen

Published: July 28, 2011

Room For Debate - Will the Norway Massacre Deflate Europe's Right Wing?

The killings could weaken nationalist fervor in Europe, as the Oklahoma City bombing cooled off militias in the U.S. in the late 1990s.

It is tempting to view ABB, the self-described Christian crusader behind the July 22 massacre in Norway, as an isolated case of pure evil. Yet history has taught us that such acts of violence rarely occur independent of their social and cultural surroundings. The assassination of Sweden’s prime minister, Olof Palme, on a Stockholm street in 1986, like the January shooting of Representative Gabrielle Giffords outside a shopping mall in Arizona, took place at a time when caustic antigovernment rhetoric was widespread.

Mr. Breivik managed to commit two terrorist attacks in a single afternoon. But the hatred and contempt from which he drew his deranged determination were shared with many others throughout the international right-wing blogosphere.

The racism and bigotry that have simmered for years on anti-Islamic and anti-immigration Web sites in Norway and other European countries and in the United States made it possible for him to believe he was acting on behalf of a community that would thank him. As John Donne famously put it, “No man is an island ... every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.”

Norway’s security police had estimated that only a small number of Norwegians belonged to domestic right-wing extremist groups in 2010 and that they did not pose a security threat — an estimate that clearly has turned out to be erroneous. There may be only a few known members of ragged and powerless white-power groups, but the thousands of right-wing extremists who don’t belong to recognized groups are harder to pin down.

The global Islamophobic blogosphere consists of loosely connected networks of people — including students, civil servants, capitalists, and neo-Nazis. Many do not even see themselves as “right-wing,” but as defenders of enlightened values, including feminism.

The Islamophobes of Norway have no manifesto, but they share three fundamental views: that Norway is in the hands of a treacherous, spineless, politically correct elite that has betrayed the pure spirit of Norwegian culture by permitting demographic contamination; that Muslims will never be truly integrated (even if they pretend to be); and that there is a Muslim conspiracy to gain political dominance across Europe.

Hatred of Muslims and resentment of the left — one of us has repeatedly received resentful diatribes against the “multiculturalist elite,” and was mentioned in Mr. Breivik’s own writings — is not confined to Norway. Mr. Breivik has praised Gates of Vienna, a Web site that compares contemporary Europe to long-ago wars with the Ottomans. He has praised writers like Bruce Bawer, the American author of “While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within,” and Bat Ye’Or, the pseudonym for the British author of the conspiratorial “Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis.” He is an enthusiastic reader of the virulently anti-Islamic blog of Pamela Geller, an American who leads the group “Stop Islamization of America” and gained notoriety for her opposition to an Islamic center near ground zero in Manhattan.

Europe’s new right is, in other words, not neo-Nazi; it has swapped anti-Semitism for Islamophobia. After a hiatus of several hundred years, fear of Islam reemerged around 1989, as the Cold War was ending and Iranian mullahs issued a fatwa against the British writer Salman Rushdie. It gained popularity as increasing numbers of Muslims entered Europe as immigrants in the 1990s, and became widespread in the aftermath of 9/11. Traditional racism may actually be waning in several European countries, but hostility toward Islam and animosity toward Muslim immigrants and their children is on the rise.

Norwegian society is changing, and rapid immigration has no doubt led to tensions. In a country of under 5 million people, the number of immigrants and their children has doubled to over 550,000 in the last 15 years. Many of them are Poles and Swedes seeking work, and their presence is uncontroversial. Others have arrived as refugees and asylum-seekers from countries like Somalia, Iraq and Bosnia. And a substantial number have come to Norway to join relatives or spouses already in the country. About 200,000 — including more than 30,000 Pakistanis — have roots in Muslim countries.

Because of our healthy economy, fueled by North Sea oil, controversies over immigration tend to concern culture rather than economics. The perception that immigrants are patriarchal and insular has sparked controversies over everything from school excursions to swimming lessons to disrespect for female teachers. Yet many “new Norwegians” fully participate in society. Indeed, some of them were at work in the government buildings destroyed last week; others were taking part in the Utoya summer camp.

Conceding that a culturally diverse society raises knotty and complex social and political questions is one thing. It is quite another to state that a multicultural society is impossible, or that Islam is incompatible with democracy. Yet the blogosphere to which Mr. Breivik belonged took these views as a basic premise.

It is too early to tell if anything positive can emerge from this tragedy. In the upcoming elections, Norway’s Labor Party will likely receive many sympathy votes and the right could be adversely affected by its associations with Islamophobia. In the long run, the situation is less certain. In other Scandinavian countries, Social Democrats have been pushed to the right by anti-immigration parties. We hope that Norway’s longstanding consensus about immigration and integration policies will not be eroded.

Until last week, Norwegian authorities did not see the far right as a security threat. Mr. Breivik has now shown that those who claim to protect the next generation of Norwegians against Islamist extremism are, in fact, the greater menace.

There have been suggestions that the killer targeted young people with non-Nordic features on Utøya.

The search for anyone who knew about the plans or helped Breivik continues. Reports by newspaper Aftenposten suggest that Breivik was seen wearing a “NATO sweater” covered in police markings and with two other men, not thought to be locals, in a grocery store in Kragerø, Telemark, just days before he carried out the attacks. Car monitoring records seen by the newspaper suggest that none of the vehicles registered in Breivik’s names had been driven into Kragerø, suggesting he went there by other means.

Could be John.

Credit for the link, however, is due HFCS. HFCS is kind of a weird character. There is no part of the internet he has not poked into. I think he was the one who clued Klimmer into the back of the moon thing.

:-)