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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 16, 2011 - 02:44am PT
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This account of an uncommonly good Bugaboos trip for Grateful Fred and company appeared in the 1960 American Alpine Journal. Three first ascents in a weatherprone area- sweeeeeet!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 16, 2011 - 10:02am PT
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Steve: Thanks for finding and posting that article. Somehow I had never seen it before.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2011 - 01:07pm PT
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Do you recall any photos of her to post?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 16, 2011 - 03:52pm PT
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The Man, the Fred, The Legend. I had no idea anything on the east face had
been done that early. Of further amazement could be that His Fredness was
already 36 years old when he romped unchecked through the "piton playground".
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2011 - 04:35pm PT
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Bruce- Thanks for the Elfrida shot. What a cool name she had.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 16, 2011 - 04:38pm PT
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She was likely the strongest female mountaineer in Canada in the late 1950s and early 1960s. After her death, women like Esther Kafer and then Alice Purdey came to the forefront.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2011 - 05:44pm PT
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A little more on Elfrida from Ed Cooper's account in the 1960 Canadian Alpine Journal.
This pair of images accompanied a similar account in the 1960 CAJ.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 16, 2011 - 05:52pm PT
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Seems like it's raining in Seattle today, too. Pouring here until just a few minutes ago.
I wonder if the proper spelling was Elfrieda, and it got a bit anglicized?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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Bump for Fred and Ed!
I hope that Cooper chimes in with a tale and some photos from his climb with Elfrida.
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
WA, & NC & Idaho
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Jul 17, 2011 - 03:04pm PT
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Fantastic write up, those boys were men!
TFPU!!!!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 17, 2011 - 03:44pm PT
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I heard Martin and Esther tell the swimming story, rather memorably, at a BCMC social. They had a lot of amazing mountain adventures in BC in the 1960s and 1970s. So once they were in the Lillooet icefields area, in the later 1960s - maybe on the Manatee trip in 1967. They 'hiked' out - which is to say, went down to the main Lillooet valley, and bushwhacked for days to the nearest logging road. Three or four days - an improvement from the 1930s, when climbers had to bushwhack in and out, before Roy Mason got a ski plane for flying them in.
Anyway, bushwhacking along a river valley in BC is very hard work. As Dick so nicely puts it, "avoid the light green", that is to say creeks that intersect your river, slide paths, and so on. Anyway, Martin and Esther and team encountered a freshet strengthened creek that they simply couldn't cross. (North Creek, maybe?) They chopped down trees with an ice axe, but couldn't make a bridge. So Esther volunteered to swim across, did so, and they set up a tyrolean. Scary stuff. And after another day or two of crashing, they got to civilization.
When they were telling the story, Martin got to the point of Esther volunteering to swim, with his version, and then Esther butted in and said "No, no, that's not what happened! Here's what we did.", and went on to tell the rest. It was hysterically funny, and after 50 years of marriage I guess Martin knew enough to keep quiet.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2011 - 11:42am PT
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I emailed Ed Cooper for some stories about this season and Elfrida Pigou. Hopefully, he has some tales to tell...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 18, 2011 - 12:59pm PT
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Ed talked about Elfrida, and showed some photos of her, on Saturday night. His presentation was about half about climbing in B.C., half about Squamish and the Grand Wall, with bits of other things (Dihedral Wall, etc) thrown in.
Here he is presenting:
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2011 - 01:34pm PT
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Did you find anyone to record the event?
I would love a copy, of course.
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pix4u
climber
Sonoma, CA
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Jul 30, 2011 - 10:34am PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 30, 2011 - 12:20pm PT
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This was the same summer I found human remains at the base of the west face of Bugaboo Spire (from an accident in 1948) on a solo walk around Bugaboo Spire looking for new routes, but that is another whole story.
With all due respect, sir, I should inform you that malicious teasers are
frowned upon, at best.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Jul 30, 2011 - 12:56pm PT
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I remember my first introduction to Art "The Move" Gran in Camp 4 in the fall of 1960. Art had just returned from a trip to the Bugaboos and proceeded to tell an unusually attentive group of us about his recent climbs.
Not pitch by pitch, but move by move. Of course we gave him a lot of sh#t and BBA was especially hard on him. At one point, Art brings out his skull cap, places it on his head and says, "in the Gunks, we judge our climbers by the skull caps they wear," to which BBA retorts, "we judge our climbers in Valley by the routes they climb." Gran, being a good sport and on foreign turf could only join along with the humor.
Later, on that "oh so weird" approach to the Arrowhead Arete, Gran third classing above me, kicked loose a large block that caught me in mid flight and sent me on my first visit to the Lewis Memorial Hospital.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 30, 2011 - 01:39pm PT
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Geez! How many people have been injured on that particular approach!?!
Great stories folks!
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Jul 30, 2011 - 07:37pm PT
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There should be a Hank Mather Appreciation Thread
That guy was a total badass. Wall routes with Beckey. Pavilion Edge. Widowmaker Arete. Waddington attempts. North ridge of Mt Stewart in the Cheam Range, still unrepeated ?? 50 years later.
That guy was climbing 5.10 free in the late 50s/early 60s.
Chic Scott's book really misses the boat on him. Chic apparently thought he was an American.
He was apparently still alive in 96 when Lyle Knight was writing Central BC Rock. Lyle tracked him down somehow and heard a ton of stories about the attempts on the Main Wall at Marble Canyon and other stuff.
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harihari
Trad climber
Squampton
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Jul 30, 2011 - 09:31pm PT
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Kevin McLanew told me this:
So...1969, or whatever year it was that Fb and Chouinard did the B-Ch. Kevin Mclane and partner, some crusty old brit whose idea of a trad rack is 12 pins, 12 bieners, 2 hammers and a rope (I sh*t you not) are evading rain in a bar in Jasper, where they run into Fred.
Fred-- who after six nights in the hotel, having banged all five waitresses and having not yet paid for any beer, is STILL being served-- tells them "god-DAMN I just climbed the best route."
So he writes a 3-sentence guide on a napkin. First sentence: how to get to the Bugs. 2nd: how to get to the B-Ch. 3rd: beta. McLane and partner find it and get the 2nd ascent (I believe). 30 years later aged 61 McLane repeats the route, this time with a rack that weighs MORE than the 1969 rack.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 30, 2011 - 11:24pm PT
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Fred and Yvon did their route in 1961. Probably it had had several repeats by the early 1970s - I talked with some Calgary climbers in 1974 who'd done it within the preceding year or two. Chris Atkinson may know who did the early ascents, but probably they were in the mid to late 1960s.
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pix4u
climber
Sonoma, CA
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Jul 31, 2011 - 06:19pm PT
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I'm not sure whether "Whole other story" should be posted here; it doesn't feel like it belongs here. Any other threads where it might go?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2011 - 10:08pm PT
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Ed- These threads are living things and move in any direction. If you are hinting at the accident finding, the topic of the thread ultimately is that season so all is topical at your discretion, of course.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 2, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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I wonder if these ones made Fred's 100?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
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Bump for Fred's Black Book...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 18, 2012 - 01:24am PT
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How 'bout that long awaited thread drift?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
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Drifting back through time with Grateful Fred...
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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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Aug 30, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
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Great post
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Aug 30, 2014 - 11:09pm PT
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Somehow I missed this thread first time around. Yes, Hank Mather deserved a place in Chic Scott's book. Another person who should have been there was Leif-Norman Patterson. First winter ascent of Robson, first ascent of Trollveggen Wall in Norway, direct west face of Yerupaja in Peru, and more. I had the great fortune to do a couple of fine routes with him, and we failed on a couple of others. And he was a fine, gentle human being.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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Splendid Bumps of Granite...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 28, 2014 - 02:47pm PT
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Having just spent a few days at JTree with a Fred confidant we could only
rue his lack (or aversion) of access to the intardnet. Why doesn't some
hottie sit him down to dictate while she types?
BTW, Steve, I started a thread I thought you might like but I guess I
misjudged my audience, except for Tami.
Maybe nobody cares?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
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Big bad Beckey Bump...
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2017 - 11:37am PT
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Battle hardened secretary bump...
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 4, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
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Bump for Grateful Fred...
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2018 - 08:54am PT
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Ridin' and baggin' dirty bump...
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Timmc
climber
BC
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Sep 23, 2018 - 10:14am PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 23, 2018 - 10:24am PT
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Can you imagine the drive in there in ‘59?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Sep 23, 2018 - 10:45am PT
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Or the hike in?
* Edit: I was referring to the trail from the east side.
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Timmc
climber
BC
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Sep 23, 2018 - 11:15am PT
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The B-S col would have been a cruise
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 23, 2018 - 11:16am PT
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^^^^ True dat. It was still hands in pockets in mid-70’s.
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