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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 22, 2011 - 12:31pm PT
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The Cerro Torre controversy has drawn the estimable Gregory Crouch to the ST campfire.
A hearty SuperTaco welcome to you Greg!
Author of the outstanding Enduring Patagonia, Greg is a climber's climber and original school, all the way.
I hope that you will share some tales and images from your many adventures and give us a taste of the fun!
Welcome!
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Disaster Master
Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
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Jan 22, 2011 - 12:41pm PT
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Welcome to the ST. Post away. We won't bite. (Most of us, at least.)
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 22, 2011 - 07:03pm PT
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Another one we'd love to hear some stories from!
Welcome, Greg!!!!
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Jan 22, 2011 - 07:55pm PT
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Welcome to the "campfire"Greg!
TY
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jan 22, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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Welcome Greg! Lots of good here at the taco. Glad you just made it good-er. :)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 22, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
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Yes indeed, Welcome to the campfire.
Now do us a favor and throw a log on the fire, 'em kay?
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jan 22, 2011 - 10:26pm PT
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Welcome! But this thread would be much better with pictures.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Jan 23, 2011 - 10:59am PT
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Greg, Welcome to the climbing world's version of reality TV. This place is like the love child of "Oprah" and "The Gerry Springer Show". Actually I've never watched either of those shows so I'm not sure that is the right analogy. Maybe "from the sublime to the ridiculous" describes it.
Whatever, it's addicting and fun...
Phyl
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billygoat
climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
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Jan 23, 2011 - 12:40pm PT
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"Enduring Patagonia" should be mandatory reading for all climbers. Welcome!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 23, 2011 - 02:22pm PT
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I'm not much on most climbing books but I got this for Xmas some years ago
and I was very pleasantly surprised - very well written y muy sympatico!
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billygoat
climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
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Jan 23, 2011 - 03:24pm PT
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The image of attaching a rappel device to a rope in high winds with a climber already hanging off is forever etched in my minds eye. Some wind!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2011 - 05:05pm PT
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Here's a taste of Greg and Jim From Climbing August 1997.
This could be my favorite shot of Jim!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2011 - 03:03pm PT
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Now that Jim's back around...let the tales begin!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 25, 2011 - 11:50pm PT
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Greg: Loved that 1997 Donini story you wrote that Steve just posted.
More please!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 25, 2011 - 11:53pm PT
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Howdy neighbor!
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 25, 2011 - 11:57pm PT
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Sweet. Welcome Greg!!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2011 - 12:24pm PT
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Crouch and Bump!
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 26, 2011 - 12:28pm PT
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Bring on the climbing stories and PICTURES, please Greg...pretty please?
Damn you, do I have to beg?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Jan 26, 2011 - 12:35pm PT
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Haha! Howdy x 10.
So there.
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Rockin' Gal
Trad climber
Boulder
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Jan 26, 2011 - 02:51pm PT
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Greg! Hope the latest book is going well. Remember, "show, don't tell the reader."
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Jan 26, 2011 - 04:01pm PT
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greg, welcome to the taco, ready to walk the walk? because i know you are always talking the talk. ss
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
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I think I'm the lamest poster (poser) in the history of this forum... took until this morning to find these greetings and requests... here's one...
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
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Only took me a year to notice this thread...
Another pic?
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micronut
Trad climber
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Jan 16, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
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Greg,
Enduring Patagonia inspires me to keep writing about my futile struggles in the low end alpine arena. When I get writer's block I often dust off the cover and dig in for for a dose of literary inspiration. Thanks for sharing your adventures with all of us hacks and scardeycats who may never get to gaze upon the patagonian icecap but have been there with you a time or two.
Welcome to the Supertango, land of hardmen, wierdos, heroes, never weres, deadbeats, misfits, hasbeens and may someday bes. Most of us are somewhere in between. Enjoy the show. Glad to have you on board.
Here's a taste of the kind of low budge writing you inpire:
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/The-Gift-New-Years-Eve-and-A-Long-Day-on-Half-Dome/t11321n.html
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Above-Average-Trip-Report-The-Meadows-and-Beyond/t361n.html
See you around the Taco,
Scott
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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Well, I will cop to being excited out of my mind for China's Wings upcoming release...
Here's a little blurb that explains how an off the cuff remark of Charlie's helped launch the entire project http://gregcrouch.com/2010/fall-in-love-with-it
Plus, it's absolutely fabulous to learn that EP still has legs, and is still reaching people. For years I thought that book was a failure, as all I heard was silence, overwhelming silence, but once I joined facebook, all kinds of people have connected with me to share how much they've enjoyed it and been inspired by it... which actually ended up pulling me through when morale was pretty low...
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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Micronut, that's a pretty unique adventure, a winter Snake Dike. My friends Tom Lambert and Theresa Ho did that recently, too... a definite coup.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
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And Fattrad, I've been here for a decade. If you drew a line between Lunardi's and Larkey Park, I'd be sitting pretty close to the exact midpoint of that line right now.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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Greg- it's been too long. We should meet up soon. Congrats on the book release, I can't wait to see it- remember celebrating the advance at Edinburgh Castle, uh, about 7 years ago??
Tim D.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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Hey Greg- Glad this thread finally hooked ya.
Post away because this thread is all you baby! Epics to book promo...
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
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Holy beJesus, TIM D? Theo and I were just talking about you the other day...
That was a great party, but it'll be eight years in May.
Hope you and yours are doing well... there's a rumor you're leaving CA... confirm or deny...
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
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Denied for now, though things have been highly unsettled I'll e-mail you.
Here's a picture to atone for my thread drift:
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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No apology needed, Tim D. Psyched to hear from you. I don't even have a functioning email for you any more, so definitely check in. Theo and I would love to see you... been getting some screaming good surf lately.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
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Belated greetings Greg! Wonderful shots of Charlie,
an old friend on Cerro Torre.
Share more of your adventures with us, please!!!!
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
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Well, I've always said that taking pictures of Patagonia is a lot like taking pictures of Cindy Crawford: even when she looks bad, she looks pretty good.
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fsck
climber
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Jan 16, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
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hey greg, i'm kinda bummed to hear how you felt EP had failed. i know many people who loved the book, myself included. i loved all the gnarly alpine tales but my favorite by far was the "ball washer" story. so many mountain books focus strictly on alpine tales of bravery but it was so cool to get a hilarious insight to "normal" life back home.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
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Thanks, FSCK... I can always get a laugh with that ballwasher tale. It's more reliable than the Supermouse. Kinda hard to pass yourself off as a tough guy when your day job is " ball washer."
I'm happy to report three things about that job: first, that Phil, the evil mastermind of the "FunWash," is still a good friend, and second, that I'll never have to install another one of those things, nor third, spend another minute in a MacDonalds.
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roy
Social climber
NZ -> SB,CA -> Zurich
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Jan 16, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
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Hey Greg,
Welcome! There are a few SB (and ex-SB) lurkers here.
Cheers, Roy
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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Jan 16, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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Greg gave a spectacular slideshow presentation for the RIM club this month. great photos and a superb narrative of his winter ascent of the west ridge of Cerro Torre.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Goleta, California
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Jan 16, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
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That was a superfine crowd, Splitclimber... I hadn't given that show in ages, and I really enjoyed it.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jan 17, 2012 - 09:36am PT
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jan 17, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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Chris! JR Hussy, the guy who took the first two, is one of the guys I surf with pretty regularly. Very nice guy and a damn fine surfer.
Did you get any of the action on Saturday? I was keeping an eye out for you and your broom. ;-)
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jan 18, 2012 - 01:30am PT
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Those are some unbelievable photos! Thanks Mike
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jan 18, 2012 - 10:06am PT
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No Chris, that guy is Bruce Topp. Super nice guy, I've talked to him a few times on the bluff at Sloat. Told him that I'd buy his shots if he ever got any good ones of me -- which he did this winter, and I kept my promise. The pics are posted here: http://gregcrouch.com/2011/ocean-beach-surf-pic
They only cost $7 each, so you should pony up for his frames. Then you can post 'em guilt free. :-)
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jan 18, 2012 - 10:10am PT
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And here's another Patagonian pic to get us back on track. I'm super-excited about what Hayden Kennedy and Jason Kruk pulled on Cerro Torre this week.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Am I allowed to update this? Hope so.
I'm feeling the climbing love this week... been getting good help and advice from Rolo on one hand, and Donini on the other, have had Charlie Fowler and Jim on my mind due to the photo blasts I posted on my website (and linked to from here) this week.
To that end, I've just posted these shots of J Jay Brooks in Patagonia, taken from one of the two or three rolls of black & white film I've ever shot.
Hope you enjoy 'em. (I guess it comes with a little essay, too.)
BTW, I've got an Enduring Patagonia Pinterest board if you're into that sort of thing. Feel free to repin 'em and share 'em around. I'll be adding to it as I get around to digitizing more of the old photo collection.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Welcome to the Taco, Greg.
I liked the double meaning of your book's title.
I have some dim memories of never wanting to go there.
Thank you for reminding me I've always been happy enough in California.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Thanks, Mouse. Glad to be of some service. :-)
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Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
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Greg Crouch, Goleta CA, must be related to my old econ prof from the U there? He was a tough-minded fellow as I recall...
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Inner City: Hilarious.
That's my dad.
Any day you want to have a chat with him (or get a bet down), he can be found nursing a vodka martini in the Elephant Bar between 3:30 and 5:45 p.m.
Or at the Old Town Tavern around noon.
Or at the Breaktime between 6:00 and 7:00
You can take the man out of England, but you can't take England out of the man.
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Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
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I knew it had to be your Dad, Greg.
He was an interesting professor back in the days of pre-history when I was there. He'd not suffer fools well as I recall. Calling people out in class for reading the newspaper in the back of a giant lecture hall. He'd certainly be confiscating some I-phones were he still at it, I suspect.
I think I recall seeing him at the elephant bar many many years ago. That has been a long-running tradition. I'll take the Ravens plus the points!
Also must say that your book Enduring Patagonia was very enjoyable.
Best,
David Reid
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Thanks, David. Generally a good idea to take the points, and to pick only one game, the one you think has the best price... watching Dad's "players" through the years has been a abject lesson in the stupidity of man. They're financing my son's college fund, however, so I'm the last person who'll complain.
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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Hi Greg! Pam (Roberts) here! I'm a bit of a stalker on ST, but it's been very good to me since Jack died, so I stay loyal. Hope you are well!!!
Welcome to this odd collection of people! :-)
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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enjoyed the book so much I bought it twice (I couldn't find the first one, so I just bought another)
Patagonia virgin here, heading down to Chalten in November with a rope and a rack, no partners, hoping for the best.
also, I think GC wrote about Kichatna Spire a few years ago -- liked that a lot too. So much to climb (or not) in the world ... still
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Greg, just back from the Creek. See you in the Bay Area, we should hatch some plans....just like the old days!
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jim, I need a new fracking hip! How is it that I'm the one of the two of us with the 70-year old hip?
Hope you had a good time out in the Creek.
55401: So glad to hear you've enjoyed EP. Good luck down there in the coming season.
And PAM! What a thrill. And so sorry about Jack's accident. Such a loss. But so glad I got to climb with him back in the day. We had a couple of great climbs, best of all from my perspective being a trip up The Fang, which was a really big deal to me at the time, just as I was getting a handle on what I might be able to get done. Jack was always very generous to me with his knowledge, which I much appreciated. Hope you're doing okay. That's the aspect of climbing I truly despise. Truly despise.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Feb 10, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
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Having a strange climbing and Patagonia related experience here in California this morning -- my 12-year old son Ryan is reading Enduring Patagonia
It's pretty great to see how much he's enjoying it, but it also raises a pretty serious question about what it means to be a parent, and a climber.
Of course I love climbing, and as an individual, it defines who I am as much or more than anything else, and I'd be delighted to teach Ryan to climb -- if it's something he genuinely wants for himself.
But I don't think it's right for me to make him into a climber just because I'm one. The sport is just too damn dangerous, as any deep perusal of these threads makes obvious.
We've done a little gym climbing and have taken a few trips up to Yosemite and Tuolumne, which have been great, and great experiences for Ryan, but I haven't pushed it too hard. We only go when Ryan asks to go, which he hasn't done very often -- just a time or two a year.
If Ryan wants to be a climber, I feel like it should be his decision as much as possible, one that he makes when he's a little older than he is now, when he's grown into more of his own person. This is one passion I really don't feel comfortable pointing him too strongly toward without him wanting it for himself. I have a pretty strong intuition that I shouldn't force feed it to him.
Of course, when the time comes, if he wants to learn, I'm going to be delighted to teach him. And I'm going to want to do it.
I'd also be very interested in hearing from other parents how they've dealt with this issue. To me, it feels like a big one.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Feb 10, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
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I'm w/you on this one, Greg. Climbing is my thing, not my kids. They are still sort of little (6,6, and 8), and I take them climbing every few months or so. They go out scrambling and running around in the wilderness all the time, but roped climbing not too often;....usually only when they ask or we are going w/other families who want to take their kids climbing. My kids love computer games, soccer, tennis, basketball, mountain biking, baseball, swimming;...that is their thing. I support those activities more than I support climbing. Climbing is my thing, not theirs. Climbing is a dirty and dangerous sport. I would rather see them surfing and snowboarding too......less likely to get snuffed and they can meet those cute rad surf/snowboard girls;...........(we got to hang out with the dirty camp four girls;....with their bad habits and foul mouths......worked for me, but probably not for them....).....
My son Von, who is handicapped and has CP, was scrambling and bouldering a few days ago in Indian Cove in Joshua Tree Nat. Park......he said, " Dad, will you teach me how to rock climb better. I want to be a good rock climber."....and I said, "Sure, Von....we can do that."......so there you go........
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Feb 10, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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Killer pic, Todd! And very nice to get your thoughts on this, too.
Hope you have fun with Von on the steeps!
Cheers, Greg
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Feb 10, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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Crouch...
Pffft!!!.....
Friggin poser
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 10, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
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Greg...your post is a topic a lot of people here wrestle with. It will get lost attached to this thread, you should consider starting a specific thread for it
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Feb 10, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
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Don't know if I've got the guts to start a thread, Jim... don't you have to be a senior and respected member of the supertopo community to be entrusted with such responsibility?
Not sure I'm qualified to do it.
I'll try and summon the courage to make it happen. ;-)
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2015 - 09:15am PT
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Happy Birthday Bump!
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Mar 31, 2015 - 09:38am PT
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Ha! Thanks, Steve.
Took the party a few days in advance. Got Andy Lindblade to fly down from Portland for two days of cragging at Lovers Leap this past Friday and Saturday.
Which was wonderful.
I'm resolved to get out climbing more consistently this season than I have in recent years, but I'm in dire need of a guy- or gal- Thursday to help make it happen.
So, a CL post for climbers:
49-year old SWM climber needs somebody with a pulse who knows how to tie a figure-8 and belay, has their own harness and climbing shoes, and who is consistently available on Thursdays for day strikes into the Sierras, Tahoe to Yosemite.
Flipping leads optional but not required.
Motivation mandatory.
Since I'm coming back from surgery, I'm aiming for a season of moderates, 5.7s, 5.8s, and 5.9s to get back in the game.
I'm happy to help you learn the outdoor ropes if that's a transition you're looking to make.
If you want to check my bona fides, there are several souls here who have done a few pitches with me who would probably vouch for the fact that I likely won't kill you.
The perfect guy- or gal- Thursday would live in the Bay Area so we can share the driving, have a brain and something to say, a sense of humor, and a rope in better condition than mine.
KLK made an overture a few weeks ago, but we haven't managed to make it happen yet. (Sorry. Hopefully soon.)
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Mar 31, 2015 - 10:20am PT
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Thanks, Couchmaster!
I've got a new one in the works that has me every bit as excited as the story of William Bond and the China National Aviation Corporation.
(I'm happy to report that when I saw Moon Chin a couple of months ago, he was still going strong -- 102 years young.)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 31, 2015 - 07:17pm PT
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By the way....it's Greg's birthday. The lad still hasn't made it to fifty but he's getting close!
edit: oops....Steve beat me to it.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Mar 31, 2015 - 08:43pm PT
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Greg if you are ever in the mood to drive towards Fresno I'd gladly show you around Shuteye Ridge, a quiet, soaring scape of golden granite moderate goodness. We got multipitch 5.7s and 5.8s with great summits and no crowds. I'm one year out from my first knee surgery, so I know that healing sucks and takes more time than one would think. I'm off on Fridays. Email me if you're game.
Scott
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Mar 31, 2015 - 08:56pm PT
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Greg, happy birthday. On the topic of climbing with your kids I have done quite a bit with my son who is now 14. I also don't push him, but it helps that i am just a punter. For the most part we only did stuff way below my lead level until he was big enough to belay me appropriately. For the most part we did lots of moderate cracks. He is a funny kid as he wont tape,use chalk, or sport climb for the most part and he certainly did not get that from me. We now regularly do multi pitch and he has become very competent with rope work. One thing we have is lots of easy and moderate routes in the black hills which is ideal for a young lad.
I do struggle that some day he might get enough experience that he will do dangerous things when he get older, and God knows I would feel terrible if anything should ever happen to him. On the other side I think he has a very good head and has learned a lot of skills. I think a lot us did dangerous things without the knowledge of how the"ropes" work that made it even more dangerous when we first started climbing.
Just my two cents
Edit: one other thing is that I have tried to instil in him that the reason I climb is that it is fun. Not to chase numbers or things that others feel he should do. I have been doing many of the same routes for the last twenty years.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Micronut, I'll probably take you up on that offer when I can get two or three days in a row... Thanks. I'd love to get the tour of Shuteye.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Mike M., But you're in the Black Hills, so many of those routes you've been doing over and over are AWESOME!
I've been conspiring to get back there for--gasp--more than twenty years. I've got some of my best climbing memories wrapped up in the Needles.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Tami, you're kids are clearly smarter than us.
"The so-called outdoor industry"... Ha.
Making rich people poor for nearly a century.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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You are welcome at Casa McNeil if you want to come out.
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RonV
Trad climber
Placerville
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Soon, Greg, soon.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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I'm looking forward to that, too, Ron, but you still can't be Boy Thursday, can you? ;-)
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RonV
Trad climber
Placerville
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Yep. Real job.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2015 - 02:45pm PT
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Where are the slackers of yesteryear?!?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2016 - 10:20pm PT
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They have become pressed by the tigers of tomorrow...
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