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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 1, 2009 - 12:47pm PT
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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not pika, hurricane maybe?
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Greg Barnes
climber
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Hurricane.
Worth? Some folks really want those since they have interchangeable collets, so you can use them for high speed steel bits. But of course those folks are dirtbags who might not pony up too much dough...
Minerals might want it, he may be wearing out one or two of his 3 Hurricanes...
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Slabby D
Trad climber
B'ham WA
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What are you asking?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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That was a Hurricane Mountain Works holder. The company was at Box 452, Hurricane Utah, now defunct.
Probably the best holder made. Has to have the Erickson collet 25/64" for the SDS-plus carbide drills. (1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 1/2). I have the exact same one. A Pika, very similar, is about $58. So it is worth that or perhaps a bit more. Desirable item!
Deucie talked about them on his bigwall site: http://www.deuce4.net/web/HMWbrochure.pdf
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Agree about it being the best holder.
Much better than the ones I had before it, both commercial and homemmade.
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FeelioBabar
Trad climber
One drink ahead of my past.
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I love my Hurkin. Great drill.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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I designed and manufactured those drills back in the mid-90's. I started a separate company from A5, Hurricane Mountain Works, because I had a partner who helped draw the blueprints on his work computer ( TIm Martin, a machinist who worked for Chums --he designed all their complicated robots to insert the little rubber doo-dad's into the Chums fabric eyeglass holders). I was living in Hurricane, Utah at the time, just two doors down from the Chums factory in Hurricane.
The collets are still readily available from this site:
http://metalworking.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=1347&PMITEM=84911189&PMCTLG=54
Just make sure you get the "200 DA" (double acting) collet series.
I designed the Hurricane Drill after returning from a trip to Norway, where I found that you could get plenty of quality rock drilling gear at the regular hardware stores (drills, bolts, etc), but no holders. And of course the metric drills didn't fit into my old Rawl taper drill holders without a lot of grinding. So I designed the interchangeable collet system so you could also use metric drills of any size for any type of rock. I recall in Norway a really nice looking bolt was readily available in the local hardware stores, perhaps nearly 1.5 inches long, and somewhere in between 1/4" and 5/16" (probably 8mm), plus sturdy looking drills to fit, which would have been perfect for a new route I had been attempting on the Troll Wall. The rock is a bit suss on that wall, and the 1/4" ones that I had brought were a bit small. All I would have needed would have been one of these holders with a 8m collet, and I would have been set.
Here's some pics of the early concepts:
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Why is this being posted?
You need the manufacturer so you can call and brag or complain?
Its a drill... drill with it... move on!
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Jingy, I think that fuzzy wants to sell his unit or buy one.
Actually, you need a 25/64 Erickson collet, not 9/32 to go over your SDS-plus carbide drill bits.
MSC # 84911254 or 82318783 (2 different manufacturers of same spec. unit) from www.msc.com
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Always been happey with mine.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Pate: the straw/blowtube Middendorf sent with the drill was superior as well. The black part can be slid in and out to measure the depth of the hole. Furthermore, having it stepped down in size gave room for the crap to blow out.
Ujahn (partner) dropped my Hurricane blow tube this summer from a couple hundred feet up, and the plastic disappeared into the wilderness (insert sad face here)
I replaced it with plastic tube from Home Depot, and it works fine.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Hurricane Mountain Works Wilderness Hand Drill manual in random order.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Probably?
The Hurricane holder is by FAR the BEST holder EVER!!!!
Just do yourself a favor and put a REAL drill bit in the thing, as opposed to one of them SDS (Sure Drills Slow) pieces o’…….
KICK ASS!!!!!!
Thanks for dialing us in, Deucey!
Linda recently scored a brand new Hurricane that was found in Bachar’s house. Look out!!!
“What's the tool with the long new-ish blue sling?”
Cassin? Greg uses one of those but it’s way too light for my taste.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Hey Tom, if that thing is for sale, I’ll give you a hundred bucks for it, and drive up the hill to meet you with a 12-pack!
Bryan
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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“What's the tool with the long new-ish blue sling?”
Yep, Bryan Law nailed that one, Cassin. Lightweight Eurotrash and not really worth much. Made for long moderate routes in the alps where you might need to test or perhaps pound a pin or 2, but don't want to carry any extra weight. I have found that for pounding long bolts in (my primary use for them lately), it won't do the job, in fact, I prefer the long handle Forrest and the heavy Kong Eagle.
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Greg Barnes
climber
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The Cassins were on sale at Sierra Trading post a few years ago for $14.95. I cut about 3" off the end, drilled a hole, swaged attachments, and used it for a "wilderness hammer" since it was very light and compact (it fits in an A5 bolt bag). Works great. I started using it all the time, and now it's wearing down.
I got multiple of them, and I cut another one down ready to go - and after only a few bolts, the head started getting a bit loose. I still need to replace the pin holding the head on.
Anyway, here's what my cut-down one looks like. It's similar in size and weight to a classic old hammer that I borrowed from Greg Schaffer for a while (I think that was an SMC - but I forget).
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Slabby D
Trad climber
B'ham WA
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So why in the hell would a high speed drill bit drill faster than SDS? In both cases you've got a sharp (hopefully) edge at the end of a rod of metal that you're hitting with a hammer. Is it the profile you're grinding onto the HSS bit?
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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I have had three Hurricanes, gave one to Bobo. Now I have two. The last one I got recently off ebay for $50 brand new.
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Darryl Cramer
Social climber
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Darrin -
I think that the HS bits are sharpened to a chisel point and have the advantage of being re-sharpened easily as they dull. The chisel points work quite well. Additionally the bits can be purchased or cut to shorter lengths which are easier to use on lead. A lot of the holes drilled at Index in the early part of the ‘80s were made with Boeing surplus bits bought by the pound and then cut/ground to size. The down side is they can readily snap in two especially if you have crummy hammering technique. (like me) I’ve never broken an SDS bit in two but I have had the carbide tip fall out a few times.
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 07:55pm PT
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Had no idea this would go like this. Great stuff Duece et all.Thanks for the information. I found this in a stack of gear a friend gave me (old drilled regular Chouinard hexes, Moacs etc.) Just wondering.
Minerals - you got it. I don't expect to do much drilling. Comes in the original A5 bag. What drills are you putting in there?
Pate.....flexy straws from McD? Oh yeah, those work too.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dibs on one ah 'dem MoAc thingies?
I can offer a fairly fresh PBJ for it.
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 08:15pm PT
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Royo -
Just listed it on ebay??!!
How is the lad?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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haha.
Fine thanks.
Be fun to see what that brings!
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Well, I might be able to find one cheaper, but I’d rather give Tom a hundred bucks than play that E-Bay game…
I use these drill bits… to give Grossman nightmares!
Yeah, 17/64”……!!!!! WoooooHooo!!!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Minerals- Care to explain yourself??? I won't be clipping your tiny but exciting bolts in any probability. Half inch stainless is way more dreamy and size does matter. LOL
So you guys have the SDS holder thing nailed down, do ya?!?
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 10:06pm PT
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Jingy - just looking for some insight.
Peter - thanks.
Greg and Duece - outstanding info. Like the original drawings etc. Thanks.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Out of the 40+ hand drills I have, the Hurricane is one of the best!
It was also available in titanium to make it lighter.
However these days, I am really loving my Petzl Rocpec.
Now I don't have to carry a bunch of extra tools to change the bits.
SDS click on, click off.
Rock on!
Marty
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Finally someone is thinking like a construction worker!!!
Spline to SDS adapter has been around for ages. Just cut the splines off and you are in business...LOL
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Minerals i'll sell ya one...for $100
...if you start bigwall climbing again... ;)
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Greg, you need a hand grinder you can clamp onto your bumper!
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Yellow plastic container is for the 25/64” collet.
Grossman, I was just poking fun, after reading your comments on the rap anchor thread. Will get to that one at some point here… Merely entertainment on my part. I’ll let you get worked up later. ;)
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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The yellow thing is a Kennametal Erickson collet box---- the plastic container that the collet comes in.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Hey Deucey,
I noticed that the hardened insert on the drill that Tom posted sticks out a lot more than the ones on my drills and on the drill that Pate posted. Some of the inserts on my drills are larger in diameter and some are smaller. Different batches? Any specific reason for the different sizes? I assume that the insert fills the entire hole (depth) that is shown on Tim’s CAD drawing, yes? Can I grind down the insert on the one that Tom posted so that the striking surface is almost flush with the holder itself? My current drills are pretty much flush, especially after a minor “tune-up” on the grinder. Also, are the inserts “frozen” and then pressed into a warm holder? Ho man, I am getting distracted from my geology work today…
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Hi Brian-
I think for our first batch we extended the hardened insert. But after using it for a while on some new Zion routes, I decided just to make it flush for subsequent batches.
After I left Hurricane for the big city to work, I handed over the business to my partner, who then sold it to some local folks up in Colorado City (a very industrial lot, those folks... in many ways). Somebody mentioned a Titanium version--I had never heard of it, perhaps it was done by the Colorado City boys?
Cheers
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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I had the Titanium version on order through the Hiking Shack, but Dale was never able to land it. I believe it was listed for $30.00 more than the regular version. Maybe they never happened? However there was a catalog or products page that I looked at that showed the different drills offered.
Rock on!
Marty
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Thanks, John! I guess I’ll take it to a grinder once I get it from Tom. Cool, a brand new backup! Thanks again for providing the climbing community with yet another awesome design which functions flawlessly!
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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If B. Law placed it I'd clip it. Although I might have to "Stick"clip it....
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Hand Drill Show and tell.............
Rock on!
Marty
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Holy crap, Marty!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Ditto what Peter says: and have to add - AWESOME Marty!
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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I figured since I collect bolt hangers I should collect the hand drills too. Wait till you see the hooks! I am going to post the hooks on the Crack N Ups thread.
Enjoy! Marty
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:35am PT
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Oh man, the Bosch I still use is a museum piece! Right by my original hummingbird, "The EB of Ice Climbing"/
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:16pm PT
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Hey Tom,
How much did those MoaC's bid out for on eBay?
If you're still holdin', I'll bump up from th PBJ, to a BLT....
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crackfiend
climber
Springdale, Utah
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:36pm PT
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Any idea if the colorado city boys kept making them??????
I live in the zion area now and it would be a goldmine if we found they still had some laying around. Was it western precision he sold it to?
Hey Duece were the colorado city boys climbers??
I hiked the cliffs our near water canyon and there are some nice looking lines put up. Any idea whose they are? Did you guys ever do anything out that way?
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crackfiend
climber
Springdale, Utah
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Dec 17, 2009 - 05:48pm PT
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bump for hand drills
kinda funny the polygamists took over the operation
"polygamy hand drills......... now you need only ONE"
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 11:27am PT
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Roy
Gone, "like snow on the water".
Sorry, I would have enjoyed passing it along to you.
TC
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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May 26, 2010 - 12:39am PT
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WooHoo…! Score!!!
I finally had the chance to drive up the hill to meet Fuzzywuzzy for a great lunch and to talk climbing! He showed up with quite an assortment of old-school bolting goodies, in addition to the prized Hurricane… Ooooohhh… :)
And here’s what he generously parted with:
Original A5 bolt bag (major score!), original lightweight wrenches, first/early(?) edition Hurricane hand drill w/ 3/8” SDS bit, 1/2” SDS bit, 3 original 5/16” buttonheads (mmmm…) with original plated SMC “death” hangers (eww…), new 1/4” plated SMC “death” hanger (collectors eww…), stainless 5/16” machine bolt (a la leftover from the FA of Tribal Rite; rivet ladders; cool history), and original aluminum dowel with washer held on by the mere mushrooming of the ends of the dowel (major eww, but mega history…).
What a great little collection of old-school goodies… Big thanks, Tom!!!
edit: Marty, that is crazy cool!!!
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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May 26, 2010 - 12:54am PT
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SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lucky bastard.
I can hear the rock whimpering as I type this.
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2010 - 04:48pm PT
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Minerals -
You are welcome.
My elbows flared up whenever I was within 20yds of that stuff!!!!!
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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May 26, 2010 - 06:34pm PT
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Feeliobabar knew how to pronounce it! Hurkin.
Great info and stunning collection, Marty.
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