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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 30, 2009 - 11:19pm PT
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Hey,
It hasn't been up on the main page in a while, but Layton Kor should still be in our minds.
I will dig up the old thread (not that old) so that we can keep helping Layton.
OK. The thread is here: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=954054&tn=0
You can give at:
http://laytonkorclimbing.com/
It is pretty painless. Just go without booze for a day, and there ya go.
There are always people who need help at some point. You and I probably will. Helping makes you feel pretty good, if you can. For those of us who actually ended up with jobs in the end, we can afford a little more. Or a LOT more.
I am on a mission to keep this on the front page.
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Prezwoodz
Big Wall climber
Anchorage
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:26pm PT
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I hope he gets the money he needs!
If anyone wants an Alaska Rock Climbing Guide I'll send one free to the next three people who donate after this point, come back here and post that you donated at least $25 (that means actually put the check in the mail since they don't seem to have online donating). And I'll donate too!
Is there any way to donate other then sending a check?
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murcy
climber
sanfrancisco
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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For such a worthy cause and such a snazzy website, they should set up some electronic mode of donation. What is a check? What is mailing?
(It does say, "We had a glitch with our online payment system in the month of November, so we are extending this giveaway package for another month. Big City Mountaineers has partnered with us, to allow us to use their online donation systems for the duration of Layton’s fundraiser, so we will have no more glitches. Thanks BCM!" But I can't find any link to use to donate.)
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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 11:48pm PT
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Hell, just send a check. That's what I did. Stewart Green will get things to the right place. You go buy a stamp. That is how we did it in the old days.
I dunno if they have a paypal setup. I will email him.
I am a rotten atheist, but there is a line in the Bible that is really cool:
"What ye do for the least of these my brethren, you do for me."
I couldn't have said it any better than old JC.
This is about being human beings. He needs us and we give. Pretty simple.
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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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OK. I haven't talked to Stewart, but apparently they had some kind of trouble with pay pal.
They have a Twitter site up now:
http://twitter.com/laytonkor/statuses/6039782020
Come on now. Since most climbers seem to have more money than in the olden days (you are allowed out if you are still canning), 25 bucks a month from a bunch of us is doable. And if you are a broke dirtbag, we all understand.
My happiest days were as a broke dirtbag for that matter.
So if you don't wake up every morning with dirt and leaves in your hair, please help.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Check will be sent in the morning. Umm, write a few words and numbers on some paper, lick the envelope, slap a stamp on it and it's all good.
Times have changed. Not that there is anything wrong with that. On line billing and payments are a good idea, but I've run into some snags that cost me.
Best wishes for Layton the Great One.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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There have been some troubling developments in the auction thread, but if somebody would like to purchase hardware with the proceeds going to Layton PM me with what you are looking for.
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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 12:37am PT
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Hey Ron,
Sorry that I started this thread about four minutes before you started yours.
Head over to the Kor auction for some cool stuff. And don't forget to still send whatever you can spare to Layton on the website above.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say... just a bump... not sure where the other thread is.. but here is a bump for this one...
(just got online, so perhaps i am rushing the wrong bump---but i have to get off line soon, today)...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Bump for Kor, the core of our community.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Yeah, bump this one.
I wish Layton would realize that, even though "computer resistant", instead of sitting on the couch alone waiting for family members to return home, he could be sitting around the campfire with us.
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Kor, is always in my mind. He is my old school hero. Him, Frost, Gill and Robinson.
In L.A. Long fight.
Dawg.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Bump for Layton, the Great 'un!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Hey Ron why don't you suggest to Layton that we set up a specific time and date to have a cyber camp fire chat here on ST. I know that scads of Tacoians would love the opportunity to dialogue with the man. And he might see the value of involvement.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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dogtown!
Hey Dawg, just wondering what that flared left/facing corner that Kor is nailing on the cover of Climbing #83 that you posted^^^? Kinda looks like the left/facing corner on 'The Gold Wall' L. Kor FA.
Even if everyone could put in five bucks, that would add up to allot. Especially if you have ever done one of his routes. Sounds like the least we could do!!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Not very likely Philo, but I'll try.
He'd need a typist too.
There have been many kind offers regarding Layton, but people should know a few things about the guy.
Layton is a proud man and is not inclined to accept handouts. He always wants to give something in exchange for receiving money; a slideshow, a manuscript, an endorsement, an old piece of gear, something.
It was like pulling teeth just to get him to be willing to accept the receipts from the proposed sale of Kyle's gear. I had to convince him that not only did the owner no longer need it, but also that in endorsing a check he was actually returning value with his signature.
Unfortunately there were no serious bids on the first lot so far. Sad to say but Kyle's sister has "issues" and her false bid only acts as a spoiler.
EDIT: She has withdrawn her bid. Thank you Shellon. I'll send you some stuff.
Trying to auction the items one by one would be an accounting and shipping nightmare, so if anybody has some bright ideas post them or PM me.
At this point the prospect of even having potential for an organ transplant is distant, and the medical situation with Layton is complex.
Nor will I detail any more than that as he has requested discretion.
The point I am making with this is that, rather than attempting to raise a huge sum for a Hail Mary, it becomes more of a quest to supplement his meager income just to maintain some modest comforts and mildly enhance his quality of life.
I think he would like to be living near his friends along the Front Range again, but he is now "locked in" like so many, unable to sell his home (even at a small loss) or come up with an arrangement that could finance such a move.
Getting old ain't for sissies. Might even be tougher than the Black Canyon,..
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Piton Ron- "He always wants to give something in exchange for receiving money".
Well I was alluding to just that above when I said "even if you could put in just...Especially if you ever done one of his routes". He already has given allot more than any of us could ever hope to contribute to climbing. It would just be a simple way for us to give a little appreciation back to him. He set standards, direction and paths for us to follow.
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Prezwoodz
Big Wall climber
Anchorage
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Sent an email about buying one of his signed photo's . Havent heard anything back so I'll send it again. :) Hope someones getting the email on that side!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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I'm in frequent contact with Layton also and I couldn't have summed up his situation better myself than Ron has done.
The only thing I would add is that his immediate family is very supportive, and Layton is keeping busy with a writing project which involves a lot of humor. He's still in there fighting and thinking about the future as well as his legacy.
When his bio is finished and the humor book that he's currently working on, they will be treasures for the climbing world to enjoy, and hopefully help himself and his family out.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mike-
Just got an email back on the bolt question (direct quote).
-------as far as the great slab route (on washington column) in yosemite-----I did not know the bolts were bad------they are welcome to replace them-----
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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That's a Rowell's shot alright.
Good thoughts going out to Layton.....
Spinning into space
be well...
Tony
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Iron Mtn.
Trad climber
Corona, Ca.
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Kor is one of the greats! Offering good spirits and positive vibes your way....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mike-
I'll see what his views on the belays are. As you can see from his style of communicating, he's a two finger typist and doesn't go into much detail.If I want anything in detail, I call him.
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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2009 - 03:28pm PT
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I swore that I would keep this one bumped, so I am going to keep doing it like a dog.
Shoot, I would just like to meet him.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mike-
Here you have it on the anchor bolts. Another direct quote.
I am surprised there is still interest in the ole slab route in yosemite------he is welcome to replace the anchor bolts if he deems it necessary---
Typical of Layton's modesty.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Base-
Just get your ass up (or down) there and say hello. It's not that difficult. I'm sure he would enjoy the stories you have (and you have many) and could share a few of his own.
Peace.
John
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Sir Layton Kor. On the Salathe Wall ( 1967 ) And yes it is a Galen Rowell photo.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Bump for Layton before I exit the door to JT. Freaking SoCal traffic sucks!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Anybody in need of some hardware?
Proceeds to Layton.
PM me.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Layton looks like Clint Eastwood in that photo. Always thought Clint would have been perfect as the star of the Layton Kor story.
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Prezwoodz
Big Wall climber
Anchorage
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I'd take you up on that Piton Ron but I just bought a couple of those signed pictures of Layton's.
Support!
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2009 - 04:21am PT
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Time for my bump again...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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We've had a taker on some gear who will be pleasantly surprised.
The $ go to Layton.
Anyone else?
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2009 - 08:59pm PT
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bumpity bump bump
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 10, 2009 - 09:57pm PT
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Layton Kor - Clint Eastwood looking dood bump.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 12, 2009 - 06:44pm PT
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Bump for Layton.
He's in my prayers. . .
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 13, 2009 - 12:36am PT
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Hey Base! You are slackin' here! Sheesh! Looking for your dog?
I've got $50 headed for Layton. If someone will match it in 10 minutes, I'll double it.
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Allen Hill
Social climber
CO.
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Dec 13, 2009 - 12:55am PT
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 13, 2009 - 01:08am PT
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Allen: Cool, just doubled it.
Nice boards...
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 13, 2009 - 01:27pm PT
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Nice painting Allen! Kor is right up there with JFK and Elvis as a black velvet icon.
The classic Galen Rowell shot of cover model Kor on the Salathe.
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Allen Hill
Social climber
CO.
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Dec 13, 2009 - 10:41pm PT
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I was going to auction this one off for Layton, I've already been offered a grand for it. I like this one a lot though so I'm going to contact Romero, the king of Tijuana black velvet artists, and have him paint another one to sell for some medical bills. I'm thinking maybe of the photo of him topping out on the Salathe Wall would be nice. What's your favorite image of the Great One?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 13, 2009 - 10:55pm PT
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The photo of Kor at the top of the Salathe is classic, but for one thing - he's following, rather than leading. Not his usual position.
Edit: Werner, I'm not referring to the photo just upthread, but to the classic one of Kor manteling at the very top, one hand on each side of a wide crack.
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Allen Hill
Social climber
CO.
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Dec 13, 2009 - 11:00pm PT
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Good point. But the look on his face is almost transcendental.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 13, 2009 - 11:09pm PT
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That does not look following to me.
Looks exactly like he's leading. Standing in his aiders his jumar is hanging on the haul line.
he's also holding onto the rope because he's not using a daisy type system which wasn't standard back then.
One aider under his ass as classic pose for holding ones self without daisy to the top piece.
He's leading .....
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Dec 14, 2009 - 12:50am PT
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Kor is my Hero. Tuff oh, Tuff. ( old school ) He Don’t ever say much. He lets his leads do the talking.
DT.
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Allen Hill
Social climber
CO.
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Dec 15, 2009 - 02:46am PT
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Shameless bump. The artist has been contacted.
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2009 - 05:33am PT
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My regular bump. I am going to go buy an autograph tomorrow morning.
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
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Another bump.
I wish someone could dig up that pic of him staring straight into the camera as he tops out on the Salathe.
The pictures of him are kind of funny. You look at that Salathe shot and the one posted above, and you go, man, I am a straight dude and that guy looked gooood.
Then in other pictures he looks all goofy with giant ears. There are some hilarious stories that have been written about him.
I am sure that a lot of the young people on here don't know much or anything about him, but he was (from what I have always read) this sort of shooting star that blew through climbing and stomped on everyone. One of the true greats and great characters in American climbing.
If you have ever climbed in Eldo or the desert or many other places, you are doing his old FA's. He was some sort of steam roller of ability and turbo charged energy. His sheer energy is famous. I got a huge kick out of putting my hands on holds that he discovered. This may be sort of a cult of reverence, but hell, it is all true.
And he was a very reflective person underneath all of that. After Harlin's death on the Eiger Direct, he quit climbing for decades and became a deeply religious man. So I guess that underneath all of that he was, like a lot of us, searching for meaning in it all. Then, thank God, he pops up out of nowhere and starts climbing again, although much older. Which was like Elvis coming back to those who he was a hero to.
I doubt he feels he was some sort of hero to so many, but he was to me.
One of the most powerful climbers to ever scream through the American and world scene. And an unreal character. Not even bothered in the least by being some sort of hero. He just kept blazing along.
I never met him, so I am going from all of the stories. Ron and others know him well, and I hope that they read all of this and sort out the legend that I am recounting and show us the real deal.
It sounds like he burned the candle from both ends, and got full value from life. Should we all be so lucky.
When I was a kid back in the early seventies, there were a lot of hilarious and incredible stories about him. He climbed so much new stuff that he seemed like he was in two places at once. Anyone who has climbed much has place their hands on holds that he touched first, so in the brotherhood of the rope, we can all trace ourselves back to him, and owe him a tremendous amount of appreciation. Like any young boy, I attached myself to his legend and wanted to be just like him.
I love that story of him tearing into two heads of lettuce, sayin, "Lots of energy in lettuce."
Ron, straighten me out from the legend to the man.
I have been giving because he oughta be payed for putting up the Titan, Castleton, and a lot of the routes in Eldo and elsewhere.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 18, 2009 - 01:21pm PT
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Not entirely accurate, but true, even if it didn't happen. lol
He didn't really ever quit climbing, but there were other things going on in his life.
The combination of medical requirements and the collapse of real estate values has created a situation that locks him into not being able to move though, no doubt, he'd love to live out his days and be back with his friends in Colorado.
If anybody knows of a situation there that would provide an opportunity, a caretaker's gig for example, it would certainly be appreciated.
As I've mentioned Layton is not prone to accept charity, an admirable trait that only makes things more difficult.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Dec 18, 2009 - 02:32pm PT
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Another bump for Layton.
Cam, how's the Bio coming?
Tony
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Dec 18, 2009 - 03:54pm PT
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Ron has it right.
One thing from Base's otherwise great post: "Not even bothered in the least by being some sort of hero. He just kept blazing along."
I'd disagree. Just as he hates the idea of being given anything, he is very uncomfortable with the idea of regarded as being a "hero." I think this attitude was one of the things that made him lose interest in the mainstream climbing community in the late 1960s.
Like his friend Chuck Pratt, he just wanted to go climbing and have fun.
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 04:32pm PT
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Hey, I admitted that I was recounting old stories and wanted it straightened out. Get after it.
Stories also get blown up over time. Much more entertaining than the truth.
All of those old stories of him with Dalke and Ament and stuff in the early days of Eldo are classic.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 18, 2009 - 04:40pm PT
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I wish someone could dig up that pic of him staring straight into the camera as he tops out on the Salathe.
I remember that photo. It is amazing. He's just staring straight into the camera. His expression seems almost blank and at the same time it reflects the experience he's just had. You can see it in his eyes.
The text that accompanies the photo said it was his last big climb in Yosemite.
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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2009 - 03:47am PT
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bump. This should never end up on page 4.
Buy something every month or toss in 25 bucks. Layton is still kicking, last I heard.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 21, 2009 - 11:48am PT
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I believe that photo on top of the Salathe is in the Vertical world of Yosemite by Galen Rowell, 1970(?)
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JohnRoe
Trad climber
State College, PA
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Jan 23, 2010 - 02:25pm PT
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bump
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 23, 2010 - 09:51pm PT
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I was hoping that John would post up about how pleased he is with the package of hardware he received after sending a check for LK.
There are still a bunch of nuts, a pile of copperheads, and various other items to be had for donations.
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JohnRoe
Trad climber
State College, PA
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Jan 23, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
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absolutely delighted...
a box labeled "Kurosawa Sake" arrived containing a great selection of hardware... hexes, pins, other gear all looking like it had stories to tell!
please support LK and sign up.
JohnR
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jstan
climber
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Jan 23, 2010 - 11:28pm PT
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If you think about it a little, being a "hero" has to be the pits. Even before you get to the point of having to run from the paparazzi.
You are hungry and want a pizza from the (Circle K?)? Can't go down there. Be an hour before you can talk to all those wanting to be talked to and can order the pizza. Now with Layton being as big as he is, Layton knows anyone who grabs his elbow must need something really bad. Right? The person had to know there was a chance he might end up in the next county. So he has to try and read you to see what he can say and what he can't. What must go through his mind when people are lined up fifteen deep to "meet him?"
I don't think any of us can even imagine how wearing all of that is.
Kindest thing to do is just walk by. Get your pizza. Talk about the bobcats you saw that day.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 24, 2010 - 06:59pm PT
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I'm working on another bottle of Kurosawa.
Who wants hardware?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 26, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
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Many of these posts relating "Layton Stories" are entirely true! So here goes my own personal one:
I met Layton, not through the climbing scene (in 1960 there was no "climbing scene"), but in the University of Colorado UMC in the evenings where alot of us played either pool or ping pong. I was playing ping pong just about every night before hitting the books. I met this really nice friendly and VERY TALL guy frequently and playe a few games. I was a very rookie rock climber in those days, but I'd heard many "Kor stories" by that time. I recall having a Coke with this guy and talking about climbing Cob Rock in Boulder Canyon ("Empor" was my first real climb) and how cool climbing was! Turned out I got an invite to go climbing later that year--yeah--it was Layton.
Several times we went out after Layton got off work at ~ 5:00 PM; I recall doing the Bulge down in Eldorado Springs in 45 minutes, car to car. My big highlight climb with Nook was the Northcutt-Carter on Hallett Peak. Another quickie in little over 3 hours. Layton was always a great companion and person. We also drank lots of beer together in the Sink. A real good friend and an exceptionally loyal guy to his friends.
I wish him well in his struggle to regain his health. Those of us who are regarded by the climbing community as '60's climbers are a vanishing breed, however. I'd really love to see Layton again.
P.S. I know Kor well enough to understand his attitude about what he perceives as "charity." Buy something, sponser a slide show for him, pay him for an interview.
Rodger Raubach
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Jan 26, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
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My favorite memory of Layton: going swimming in String Lake in the Tetons ca 1960 and watching two lovely ladies flirt with the handsome guy!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 26, 2010 - 06:10pm PT
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Really great hearing from Rodger and John.
The Kurosawa is gone.
Who wants to buy some more hardware for Layton?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 26, 2010 - 06:59pm PT
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MANY MANY wired nuts, heads, channel angles (for sawed offs??), biners, rurps.
A few LAs and some Bugaboos.
A few of Kyle's (and mine) rigid stem friends. Kyle's old #3 Camalot and his Soloist, and his Footfangs (and many old style screws).
Layton's signature is a bonus (might have more value than the gear someday)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 26, 2010 - 07:43pm PT
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Plenty of wires with straight faces.
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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That picture of Kor says it all. I have been bugging Mountain Light to donate a bunch of those to have Layton autograph. They would be worth serious cash, believe me. A Rowell print is very expensive (I have one), and that look on Kor's face says so much.
I will lean on them again, and if anyone knows them, lean on them for me. Hard.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Feb 21, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
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Bumpin for Layton. Freacking guy is ahead of his time.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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Piton Ron-
Which John were you refering to as far as the check and the gear?
If it was me I never got the package. Never expected anything, so I was not looking for it.
My work is spiraling down the toilet, but if there is anything more I can do to help Layton, let me know.
Peace.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Feb 24, 2010 - 10:14am PT
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Bump for Nook!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Feb 24, 2010 - 10:44am PT
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Ron, I, too, would be interested in obtaining a few Kor pieces for my mini-museum. How can we see what's available?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:04am PT
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Bumpin to the front page. Anyone that can help throw a belay to Layton do so. Ron, let us know what else we can do.
Mark, are you done with the horizontal drill?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 28, 2010 - 04:58pm PT
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Question for those in the know: Why has "Beyond the Vertical" not been reprinted? It is clearly an astonishing book, and is basically unobtainable except for ridiculous prices.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 28, 2010 - 05:14pm PT
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In a phrase; a cloud over the copywrite.
Layton has plans to climb in the coming month.
I just got back, Steelmonkey,I will try to line up some friends.
For the rest, I have a pile of mostly old gear to sell off with all the proceeds (along with what else I can get away with sprinkling in as well, SHHHH!) going to Layton (or "Shorty" as I like to call him.)
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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